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Manhattan Beach-Beach Cities: 2012 Real Estate Market .. The year ahead

 


For the last few years I have shared my thoughts about where I thought the market was headed each year... and this year is no exception.   Making predictions is easy, the difficult part is finding out close your ideas were to reality. 

Last year I thought the market would be very similar to the one in 2009 and I was  fairly accurate.  Truthfully I don't see much change in 2012.  I believe sales will continue to be slow but steady and prices will be flat with a few sub markets markets declining and a few showing increases in value.  . 

Nationally the economy appears to be growing.  The final numbers won't be available for a few more weeks.  Retailers and others are counting on a strong surge in spending in recent weeks  as an indication that we are moving forward.  California's unemployment rate dipped to 11.7% in recent weeks which is still very high but at least it is finally moving in the right direction.  Nationally the rate dropped to 8.6%.   Whether the trend continues down is another issue that all the Presidential  candidates will discuss at length I'm sure. 

Unfortunately there are issues that will affect our economy over the coming months.  Just as we were beginning to see a measure of stability in our country the European nations are showing signs of real problems.  China is also facing economic problems.  As our major creditor this could have an effect on our economic progress.    Like it or not we have become a global economy. 

The Government says the problems faced by the ongoing housing crisis are a high priority but new Federal regulations and guidelines add to the problems. What Bozo thought that adding a tax on mortgages for 10 years to fund the "payroll tax cut" for 2 months was a smart idea. All we need is more of that  brilliant thinking  to make sure the housing market continues to flounder.





Manhattan Beach-Beach Cities Real Estate...

The final sale numbers won't be in until next week but it looks as if  the number of  sales in Manhattan Beach and South Redondo  increased  while they decreased in Hermosa Beach, El Segundo and North Redondo. If the traffic at the local Malls was  any indication of how people were viewing the economy...  things are looking up.   The  Neptunian Womans Club Gift Wrap station at  The Manhattan Village Mall was busier than it has been for the last 4 years.

Our local real estate market saw an increase in the number of distressed ( foreclosure, short sales and pre-foreclosure) property sales in all  the Beach Cities.  Manhattan Beach had the least with about 10%  distressed  sales and North Redondo saw the highest with 21% of closed sales. 

In October the conforming loan amount officially declined from $729,750 to $625,500.  The change didn't take effect until October but lenders stopped making loans at the higher amount  around the end of August.  While the decrease didn't really affect Manhattan Beach it definitely had an effect on the other Beach Cities.   I don't believe it is a coincidence that prices on short sale townhomes in North Redondo dropped significantly at the same time.

I don't think we will see a major change in most of the South Bay real estate markets in 2012 from 2011. Prices will  bounce around as buyers remain cautious.   Manhattan Beach  home prices have been the most stable of all the Beach Cities.  I believe that trend will continue.  North Redondo will likely be plagued by short sales that will push the market down a bit.  Hermosa Beach, South Redondo and El Segundo may well see an uptick in short sales as lenders decide it might be more prudent to  clear their books rather than continuing to delay the inevitable. 

 If interest rates remain stable you could see an increase in entry level prices in Manhattan Beach.  This will hold true if more builders decide to take the plunge and start buying lots.  I know of  a number of agents who are actively looking for buildable lots and fixers in Manhattan Beach.    I don't  think you will see much new construction  in the other Beach Cities  for awhile although there have been a few new projects in North Redondo.

 Obtaining a new loan continues to be difficult.  property prices in the South bay-beach Cities remain high despite the declines in value.  many entry level properties will require Jumbo loans with the drop in conforming loan rates.  New FHA limits will help buyers  but many of their rules discourage folks who don't want to pay the upfront fees required by FHA..  Refinancing your home can take months.  Appraisal issues haven't gone away as out of area appraisers are used by many lenders even though there have been changes to the original law.


While overall Manhattan Beach and the Beach Cities have had fewer problems than many other communities in LA County we are at the mercy of  conditions we have no control over. Many homeowners have been holding on with a tenuous grip as the economy has remained precarious for  longer than expected.   Some good news in the economy would be a welcome sign for everyone.

 

Manhattan Beach: Tale of a Sale.. Appraisals..it's not always about price

 




A lot of buyers are looking for "fixer uppers" in the Beach Cities. Many buyers believe they can purchase these homes at a low price, put a little money and work into them and wind up with a great deal. Sometimes it works out better then expected. However as with all aspects of the real estate market the more you think you know the more you really need to know.
Last year I closed escrow on a home in East Manhattan Beach that was marketed and sold for land value. The house was small and had a lot of deferred maintenance. The lot was huge, 14,000 square feet, and sat at the crest of a hill.

The home sold within 2 days of being on the MLS. The price accepted by the sellers was close to the list price and the buyers were exceptionally well qualified. The home was sold as is which was acceptable to the buyer as they are going to build their dream home.
All was going well until the appraisal. The appraiser knew that the home was being sold for land value and even noted this on her report. She also noted that the buyers planned to build a new home. She indicated that the value of the property was at the agreed price.

Unfortunately she didn't stop there....she noted something else... the home was not in great condition. She went on about what a great neighborhood it was and how lovely all the homes were and how expensive the property was in the area. Finally she made a list of all the things that needed to be done to the property to bring it to "average" condition and put a price tag on the list of $140,000.

Bells went off, whistles blew, lights blinked while buzzers buzzed..... and the lender who a few days before was ready to fund immediately said no. So what changed this deal... 4 words.. not in average condition. Now remember everyone knew this was a land deal... the house had no value and the appraiser said it was worth what the buyer had agreed to pay but because the appraiser said it needed lots of work to be average the deal was off.

In today's market, lenders don't want to loan on property that is not in average condition. There are a few who will make a loan on these properties but they are so overwhelmed with applications it takes forever to get an approval.

The problem comes down to what it average. The appraiser thought the house needed at least $140,000 to make it average which was silly. The house was solid and really only needed paint, new carpet, minor repairs and a good cleaning for the appraiser to decide it was now average. What was so senseless was that the seller had to spend money to fix up a house that was going to be torn down immediately.

Most of the time appraisers are at or very near the value that buyers and sellers agree on as fair market . It's not always about price... sometimes, even though the appraisal comes in at market value, it is not enough to make the lender agree to make the loan.

 

Manhattan Beach: Point of sale retrofits are on the way!

 




On Tuesday, November 16, 2010,  the City of Manhattan Beach will decide whether or not they are going to require point of sale retrofits for toilets.  What this means for residents is that when you sell your home you would have to either prove that you have installed a new low flush toilet ( 1.28 gallons vs current 1.6-3.5 gallons per flush)by showing a signed permit from the city or if you have not installed a new low flush toilet you would need to do so before the property closes escrow.

The interesting thing about the proposed ordinance is that the City may not be making a new toilet a requirement if you remodel a home only if you sell... which doesn't make a lot of sense.  If the goal is greater conservation of water then it would seem to me that any remodeling project should also require new toilets.  They are required for new construction.

I would imagine that if this requirement is approved the city will also soon implement requirements for other water saving devices at point of sale similar to those required in Santa Monica and the City of Los Angeles.  

Currently Manhattan Beach is the only City with this requirement under consideration but you can bet if it goes through other local cities will also require point of sale retrofitting.  The cost would likely be about $100 for a permit + the cost of the toilet and the cost to install it.  I'm thinking it would run about $300-$400 per toilet.

I don't disagree with the idea that we all need to conserve more water.  However I think the requirement should  be part of any interior remodeling project and not just limited to point of sale if the goal is to conserve water and not a new way to raise money.  If you have concerns than you should show up at the City Council meeting next Tuesday and let them know how you feel.
 

 

Laurie Manny

 

 

Many of Laurie's friends have been chatting and realized that if we all sent flowers to her service in New York or to her Memorial Gathering in Long Beach there wouldn't be much room for people.  We have set up a Laurie Manny Memorial Fund for those who would like to make a donation.  I know there will be tons of flowers at her services in New York and we will be providing flowers in Long Beach so we thought that perhaps her friends might like to donate to a fund that will go to her family.  Your donation will not be tax deductible as you are sending a gift to a friend.

 We had thought we would be able to set it up with a national bank but the paperwork was more then seemed necessary.  Marlene Bridges is at her home in Palm Springs this week and was kind enough to inquire at a local bank and set up the account there.

Make Checks Payable to:   Laurie Manny Memorial Fund

Mail to:  

Attn: Tellers

El Paseo Bank

The Market Place

39580 Washington Street

Palm Desert, CA  92211

We plan to close the account on October 1 and distribute the money to the family at that time.   We will also have a place where you can make a donation at the Memorial Gathering in Long Beach for those who will be there.

If you have questions you can contact Kaye Thomas, Lynda Eisenmann or Marlene Bridges .  We hope to see you next Thursday iin Long Beach!

 

 

Let's celebrate Laurie's life on Thursday September 9, 2010 from 5-8 pm.....

 

 

 Laurie Manny had so many friends in Southern California that we thought it would be nice to have a Memorial Celebration  for Laurie in Long Beach.  On Thursday September 9, 2010 from 5-8 pm  there will be a celebration of her life at Parker's Light House on Shoreline Drive in Long Beach Ca.

This will be an opportunity for all of us who loved Laurie to share stories, hugs and lots of laughs as we remember our dear friend. Laurie loved Parker's Light House and we will be on the Patio overlooking the water and the shoreline where Laurie took so many fabulous photos. 

We will be providing appetizers and there will be a no host bar. The dress is Beach Casual. We are requesting no cameras or blog posts.  This is a special time for her family and friends to share their memories.

We have set up a Laurie Manny Memorial Fund for those who would like to make a donation.  I know there will be tons of flowers at her services in New York and we will be providing flowers in Long Beach so we thought that perhaps her friends might like to donate to a fund that will go to her family.  Your donation will not be tax deductible as you are sending a gift to a friend.

 We had thought we would be able to set it up with a national bank but the paperwork was more then seemed necessary.  Marlene Bridges is at her home in Palm Springs this week and was kind enough to inquire at a local bank and set up the account there.

Make Checks Payable to:   Laurie Manny Memorial Fund

Mail to:  

Attn: Tellers

El Paseo Bank

The Market Place

39580 Washington Street

Palm Desert, CA  92211

We plan to close the account on October 1 and distribute the money to the family at that time.   We will also have a place where you can make a donation at the Memorial Gathering in Long Beach for those who will be there.

If you have questions you can contact Kaye Thomas, Lynda Eisenmann or Marlene Bridges .  We hope to see you next Thursday!

 

 

Laurie Manny

I've been so touched as I've read the tributes  about my friend Laurie Manny.  She would be so pleased to know she had helped so many people and how grateful they are for the expertise she extended.   Like so many who have posted about Laurie I met her through Active Rain and while we often compared notes and she definitely gave me pointers, more then anything  she was just my friend Laurie. 

I grew up in Garden Grove and back then Long Beach was the big city.  Laurie had written what I believe to be one of the best community posts ever written...  Historic Long Beach Homes.  I was taken back to my childhood with her photos and stories about the places in Long Beach.  We started emailing each other and soon decided it was time to meet in real life as we were not faw away.

We all have preconceived ideas about people from their photos... based on the above photo I thought she would be rather naive, with long blonde hair and probably on the shy side... Well one out of 3 ain't bad.. Laurie had gorgeous long blonde hair... however she wasn't naive and definitely not shy. Laurie was a force to be reckoned with at all times.  She was larger then life.. a true California girl... by way of New York.

From that first meeting we knew we were going to be great friends.  And so it has been over the years.  We laughed, told stories, gossiped a bit and laughed some more.  We compared real estate markets and talked about the the vast difference a few miles could make.  She would often call me in the evening on her way home to see what was happening or to tell me a story she had just heard.  Laurie knew where all the bodies were buried.

One of the first places we went after we met was to the Sellsius Meetup in Laguna Beach with Brian Bradyto hear Dustin Luther talk. The parking was really bad and all the lots were full.  We drove around for what seemed like days and finally Laurie took out a $20 bill and told me she was going to show me how it was done in New York.  We went to the first lot with a full sign.. Laurie called the attendant over, showed him the $20 and asked if he had a slot for us... he did and Laurie grinned like crazy.   She loved that story and so do I.   It was here we first met Joe Ferrara and Rudy Bachraty.  Joe and I shared a birthday but Joe, Laurie, Brian and Rudy shared New York.  It was the start of a wonderful friendship between all of us.  It makes me so sad that  both Joe and Laurie are gone.  

 Laurie was one feisty lady.  She was fiercely loyal to her friends and the first to do battle if she thought someone was trying to take advantage of a situation.  She would call out anyone who she felt was not being ethical or less then truthful.  She demanded no less from herself then from her friends.   She understood SEO intuitively and realized that without more structure many would would not reach the goals they hoped to obtain.  She was always willing to offer help to anyone who asked... and sometimes to those who didn't quite have the courage to ask. 

Real estate was Laurie's passion. Those were the exact words she used... she loved negotiating and the wheeling and dealing and the rush  when she was able to get a property for her clients that they wanted.  She hated agents who were not honest or truthful and was not shy about making sure anyone in a transaction with her always did the right thing.   

Laurie loved California.  She could never understand why people wanted to live with cold winters and hot summers. She loved to point out to folks who lived in other places how terrific the weather was in SoCal. 

  She was a girlie girl.. who loved jewelry, great hand bags, jazzy jackets and snappy hi-heels.   She tried to get me to wear 4 inch heels,  never quite understanding that after the first step I would be flat on my face.  I kept telling her...Beach gurls wear flip flops not hi-heels. She thought I was wimpy.

I am still having a hard time realizing there will be no more calls starting with..." Hi Hun, Did you hear about.... we really need to go to dinner!"   We had dinner a few weeks ago.  We wandered through Belmont Shores and Laurie took pictures of shops for a future post.  We talked about all the changes in town in the last 5 years.  She took me to her favorite store where she bought Christmas ornaments every year.  We decided we had to go there this Christmas.  We had a great time... and as we always did we emailed when we got home to let each other know we were safe...

Good Night Queenie... Sleep well,

Hugs,

Beach Gurl

 

Laurie and I met  Marlene Bridges  and  Lynda Eisenmann  at the AR event in Long Beach.   The four of us became great friends and have shared birthdays and special dinners over the years. 

 On September 9, 2010 from 5-8 ...we will be saying Good-Bye to Laurie at Parker's Light House in Long Beach.  We will have a celebration of her life on the patio.   Laurie loved this beautiful restaurant on the shoreline in Long Beach. 

  We will be setting up a Laurial Manny Memorial Fund where you can send a donation in lieu of flowers if you are thinking of sending something to her service in NY.   I will be posting new information soon on both AR and her FB page

 

 

 

 

A few weeks ago I ordered some patio furniture from Costco.  The order form said it could take 4-6 weeks to arrive which meant that I probably wouldn't get the patio furniture until mid to late August.  Two weeks ago I received a note  from Costco telling me my order had arrived and would be delivered within a few days.  I was excited that I would get the furniture in time for summer!

Unfortunately the carrier who was going to deliver the furniture had a few issues and a lot of reasons why they were unable to deliver the furniture.  After 12 days of excuses and no furniture I called Costco.  The furniture was delivered the next day!

I asked the delivery folks if they had heard from Costco and they told me they had received a not so subtle call that the furniture was to be delivered now or else they would be jeopardizing their relationship with the company.

You may wonder what this has to do with real estate and the answer is simple... customer service... or in the case of the delivery company no customer service.  I was Costco's customer and they made sure I received the service they promised.

Too often agents promise service but don't follow through on that promise.   They are very cavalier with their clients and their fellow agents.  Too often they make excuses instead of delivering results.

That's why I want to be like Costco.  I want my clients to know that I will always be their advocate. if something isn't right I will do my best to make it right.  I will be sure they receive the best possible customer service.  I will answer my phone.  If you have to leave a message I will get back to you as quickly as possible...whether you are a client, another agent or someone looking for information.  I will check my email on a continuing basis all day. I will respond to your requests for information with a quick note immediately and more detailed information later. 

Too often we forget that good service usually doesn't take a lot of time.  Good service is being aware of your client's needs and doing your best to make sure they get what they need when they need it.  Providing good customer service is one of the best ways to insure you will always have clients!

 

The Top 12 Women Real Estate Bloggers of 2009



In 2006 Joe Ferrara and Rudy Bachraty , when blogging was just beginning, decided to name the Top 10 Women Real Estate Bloggers for 2006.  In 2007  and 2008 the list grew to 12 Women.  These women are chosen from all over the United States.  It is an amazing honor to be part of this special group of women.

This year I am so excited to be among the 12 Top Women Real Estate Bloggers in the United States.   Truthfully, I am still stunned and thrilled to be chosen along with  these 11  amazing Women Real Estate Bloggers:


Colleen Kulikowski Buffalo New York 

 
Mary Pope-Handy in the Silicon Valley


 Dru Bloomfield from Scottsdale AZ


 Diane Guercio founder of The TwitterQueens,

Amy Chorew truly a Tech Queen


 Jessica Riffle Edwards from Wilmington North Carolina


Susie Blackmon another North Carolina blogger with some great insights


Elaine Reese from Central Ohio has lots of sweet information


 Gena Riede  The Sacramento  Real Estate Voice of experience, 


Kim Wood from Philadelphia loves photography,


 Monika McGillicuddy from New Hampshire has amazing photos.

 
Kaye Thomas  Manhattan Beach CA

 

My first blog post on AR was in the fall of 2006.  I had no idea what I was doing but I loved the concept of blogging... being able to share information with people looking for real estate in the Beach Cities made lots of sense.     Over the next year I read as many blogs as I could and learned a lot efrom all the fabulous folks at Active Rain. 


 I am fortunate to be friends with many of these women and know others by their wonderful blogs.  All of us are actively working in some part of the real estate market. Most of us are actively engaged in sales while others are finding ways to make real estate more user friendly for both consumers and agents.  Blogging has allowed us to be more interactive  within  our communities and offer consumers a more intimate view of our local real estate markets.

 





 Last week those in the know seemed to be saying that the recession was over. The  LA Times cheered that Southern California's Vital Signs are Improving  and the Southern California housing market was about to hit bottom.    But toward the end of the week the news was not quite as good with state unemployment numbers reaching  above 12% and a few economists hedging their bets.  Irwin Kellner from Money Watch  theorizes that maybe  it ain't over til it's over and  I think I agree with him.   Much as I would love to see our Beach Cities real estate market stabilize I'm having a hard time believing that the real estate market in California has reached the bottom with such a high unemployment rate and the state in so much financial turmoil.  Employment and financing are going to be major issues that must be resolved before we begin to see a return of a normal market


This real estate market is different then previous markets and consequently may be harder to call. I suspect that we will see the home market bottom by city and sub areas within each city.   As an example I think that we may have seen the bottom  in  February of this year  for  the lowest  priced single family homes in Manhattan Beach ( $750,000 or less), Hermosa Beach ( $700,000 or less) N. Redondo ( $600,000 or less), S. Redondo( $700,000 or less) and El Segundo ( $650,000 or less).  We may also  be nearing  the bottom for entry level townhomes/condos in the Beach Cities.   I think we will  see properties priced  in Manhattan and Hermosa  from $800,000-$1M  reach their lowest level by the end of the year.  The rest of the markets will  level at different times over the coming year.   I also think that reaching the end of the market will not signal an uptick in prices. Most price points will remain flat with the exception of Strand and  walk street  properties near the Strand  which seem to have a life of their own even in a down market.

 

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Last week Curbed LA  pondered that real estate may be on the way to boring.    They wondered  if our local real estate markets have lost the frenzy we have all come to associate with buying and selling real estate in Southern California.

However if the 24 folks who made offers on 1708 Magnolia in East Manhattan Beach  last week are any indication... we have not reached boring.   The home was listed for $699,000 and drew big crowds.  The accepted offer was about $825,000 for a 3 bedroom+ den,  1 bath home with 1236 sq ft home on a 4870 sq ft lot that needed upgrading.  A few days later  1509 Manzanita  a 3 bedroom 1 bath 1098 sq ft home also needing updates on a 5247 sq ft lot  in Liberty Village  saw a quick sale.  Originally listed for $749,000 this one appears to have accepted an offer at $799,000.

Of course the real excitement will occur when these homes are appraised. That is the cliff hanger as the loans on both these homes fall under conventional guidelines and therefore will be subject to the appraisal rules under Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac guidelines.

 

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