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Time Sensitive: Do Realtors Owe Anything To Those Hit By Housing?

By
Real Estate Agent with RE/MAX Trinity Northeast Ohio Real Estate Specialist 2003008108

****The followup segment will be on Fox Business shortly Posted 11:48 EST******

Here is a link to a disturbing interview I saw yesterday on Fox Business: http://tinyurl.com/ct9mst

From the Fox business blog..."Do realtors owe anything to those hit by housing, and should they make a fee (or the same fee) on homes sold in foreclosure or in a short sale that they or another realtor had only sold a few years ago during the housing bubble?

That was the premise of a question I asked of a guest today.  The interview generated many, many responses .. primarily from those in the real estate community who disagreed with my question to the guest"

They are doing a segment on today's show... I don't know if you want to watch it or not, but you can respond to yesterday's show here on the blog here:

http://tinyurl.com/dgyneu

I posted this in response to Brian Sullivan's blog on Fox Business:

Dawn Maloney says: April 2, 2009 at 5:54 pm

Brian, I think it is the wrong question. The right question is "What are agents doing for those hit hard by housing?" We didn't cause the problem, talk to the lenders and corporations who sent jobs overseas and the banks - but we sure are helping clean it up. We are doing short sales to save people's credit. We are helping owners find solutions when they are upside down. We are helping buyers who can't get traditional loans. We are sifting through the properties destroyed by angry homeowners to help young families find a bargain.

Selling the same house again and not getting paid or taking a cut? As I mentioned in my email, you are reporting about the same stock market, but each day is different. You get paid everyday for "just" showing up. But it's the same place with different news!
If I sell the same house, I have to do twice the work - why shouldn't I get paid twice? Because the owner lost his job? Brian, when we work, many times we do not get paid when the deal falls through. We take risks others won't and we are rewarded accordingly WHEN and IF we get paid. You don't take that risk!

Our pay is reduced/adjusted by the price of property, the negotiated commission, and concessions we have to make. Do you show up on payday and your boss says, hey too many people griped about your reporting, so now you only get 2-3 days of pay? Of course not! But I will show up at a closing and have a seller ask me to give up 20-30% of my pay.

Ask a better question.

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Dawn Maloney, REALTOR®,  Luxury Home Marketing  RE/MAX Haven Realty

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Pam Dent
Gayle Harvey Real Estate, Inc. - Charlottesville, VA
REALTOR® - Charlottesville Virginia Homes / Horse

Dawn - As they said in the sixties "Right On!"  I wish I was paid for all of the times that I have worked for nothing.  Lately it seems like we can't get a deal done unless we give up some of our commission.  Of course I would rather get something than nothing, but don't bash me at the same time that we take less to get the home sold for our sellers.  Also what is wrong with getting paid and making money.  A doctor doesn't not get paid because he treated you for the same thing last year.

Apr 04, 2009 12:36 PM
Jackie Kurtz
Real Estate One - Southgate, MI

A couple years ago, as a newer Realtor, I had the opportunity to meet an interesting individual who had come here from another country to set up a nonprofit organization (which qualified through government funding and matching donations) that would help low income first-time home buyers obtain American Dream of owning their own home. However, the prequalification was that the 'clients' had to take a minimum 20-hour class regarding home ownership, financing, budgeting, etc. prior to embarking on the home search process. I toured the facilities, saw the class room, the coursework and was absolutely amazed with it! I LOVED IT! I thought EVERYONE who is a first-time home buyer should be required to take a class prior to buying their first home, low income or NOT!

How many of us understood what it meant to buy and own a home when we bought our first one? How many of us were taught this in high school or college? How many of us even knew how to balance a checkbook? Many of us didn't understand, so we paid our loan officers for their professional skills to lead, guide and direct us properly with regards to a home loan in order to purchase a home.

I compare this mess the health industry, which let us down by writing millions of prescriptions to patented drugs instead of focusing on total wellness for the patient through instruction on diet, exercise and proper nutrition. The lure of the Big $$ trumped all. Soon the consumer caught on, and as a result, many people decided that, instead of depending on the professional knowledge of their physicians, they would become proactive and take responsibility for their own health and educate themselves to total wellness.

Now the government is handing out a tax credit to first-time home buyers on a silver platter, and they don't even have to pay it back! That is MY hard earned money given to these new homeowners without so much as asking anything of them in return! I'm not against stimulating the economy, here, and I certainly didn't like the government bailout of the banks that caused this mess in the first place. But in my opinion, if the Buyers are getting a handout, they should at least be required to produce a certificate that says they took a class and passed a test of the RESPONSIBILITIES of home ownership, financing, budgeting and the like. It's called PREVENTATIVE MEASURES! Let's prevent this from ever happening again! That's how we can fix this mess! Otherwise history will only repeat itself.

Lending is a Business, Real Estate is a Business, and though many years ago the health industry used to be considered a Ministry, it is now considered a Business. We are all in the business to make $$ people! Don't fool yourselves. I make money by educating my Sellers and Buyers with the materials and statistics they need to make an informed decision with regards to purchasing or selling a home. If I've done my job well, I get paid. Then and only then is that $$ well earned. Yet I'm not in the business to tell someone they can't buy a home because they may be extending themselves, though many times I DO! But many times I don't even know how much available cash my Buyers have in their bank accounts, and some of them don't want me to know. It is the Loan Officer's job to take care of the financing end of it. That is what THEY get paid to do!

If every first-time home buyer were required to take a class prior to obtaining their first home (just like taking a driving class/test before getting their drivers license), they could tell if they were over-extending themselves instead of counting on a possible greedy loan officer to tell them what they want to hear. But we just keep writing 'prescriptions' to hide the pain instead of treat the root of the problem here. Giving first-time home Buyers a tax credit will get them into a home, alright, but will it keep them there? Not if they haven't learned what it means to be fiscally responsible in homeownership.

And for that, we ARE to blame! Let's pressure the NAR to do their job and pressure the government to incorporate preventative measures for Potential Home Owners. After all, that's what my NAR membership $$ is Supposed to do!

Okay, I'm off the soap box now.

Thank you for being proactive and responding to this flawed reporter. The public needs to see the truth that the reporters are not exposing.

Apr 04, 2009 12:56 PM
Anonymous
William S Wikinson, P.A.

What got us in the mess...The estate market run a cycle about ten years. Look back, 1980 was very slow, 1990 also...then in 2000 did it slow down? No, the stock market was having a problem and investors took their money and put it in the real estate market. This would not have been to bad, except went on for three years and your average Joe started to speculate buy and selling homes, TV shows "Flip for a profit" Even Realtors ignored history and bought over their heads with large mortgages..thinking this was going to go on forever. There are plenty of people to blame out there...but this happens in the stock market every 17 years and in the real estate business every 10 years. This happened many years ago in Holland with the Tulips..ramped speculation on tulip bulbs caused many to lose their life savings. It is a same that the public is so naive that they let our government spend all this money in the stimulus package and it is not going to help anyone but the politicians and their supporters. Realtors are middle men in a real estate transaction of buyer agreeing to buy and sellers agreeing to sell...Mortgage people that made questionable loan are more to blame than anyone...Think about it- if people had more equity in their homes they would not be letting them go so fast. We have to work through this, get rid of the bad loans, let people gain confidence in the market and things will start to settle down. William S. Wilkinson, Past Pres. Marathon

Apr 04, 2009 02:01 PM
#58
Gene Riemenschneider
Home Point Real Estate - Brentwood, CA
Turning Houses into Homes

I thought Fox was the good guys?  Perhaps in an effort to be "Fair" news people and entertainers should be taxed at 90% of everything over $250,000.00.  How hard can it be to have someone else make you up and then read a telepromter.

Apr 04, 2009 03:19 PM
Anonymous
RM

Dennis said: "Don't forget, approximately 95% of the mortgages in existence are being paid ON TIME!"

I'm not sure if that's a true stat and what its source is.

Regardless, had mortgages not been turned into fancy instruments, we'd just have a bunch of foreclosures from the truly stupid only.

Oh, why do I bother?

Apr 04, 2009 07:34 PM
#60
Dawn Maloney
RE/MAX Trinity Northeast Ohio Real Estate Specialist - Hudson, OH
330-990-4236 Hudson & Northeastern Ohio

I am grateful for all the comments - I sincerely hope that your efforts are recognized by Fox - but more than that, you have generously shared so that others can help educate those around them.

My thanks to all who commented!

Apr 05, 2009 01:00 AM
Anonymous
Sandy

Very well written, many of you.  I myself was asked to reduce my commission along with a counter offer from a seller, it certainly angered me.  I told him that I too, have not been immune from this market.  I sold a house myself and didn't make any money.  Would you ask your attorney or doctor to cut his fees?  No!!!

Apr 05, 2009 01:02 AM
#62
Sarah Schneider
Prudential Fox & Roach Realtors - Marple Township, PA

And WHY are realtors always the villain??!?!?

I want to smack these talking heads upside theirs!

We're still doing more of our job than ever, and most of us very well, thank you. FYI to anyone out there...we area all now working 3 TIMES as hard to make HALF the money we made ever!!! We are still doing the same work and in fact more of it, and suffering more aggrivation due to fall-through financing and buyer-seller standoffs. You need a maaster's degree in social work or psychology today to be an agent. 

Word up: This business is NOT for the faint of heart.

The bonanza market of a few years go was created by one simple economic fact...supply and demand...plain and simple. We had baby boomers grown up kids out looking for single family homes in spades and their empty-nester parents right behind them nabbing condos!!!

No one twisted anyone's arm. We merely served the clients whom paid us to do so at their request.

Anyone out there putting it on the line and depending on full-time income as a realtor to day should get a PURPLE HEART medal as far as I'm concerned!!!

I say, stop the blme, and run the game, and we'll all come out winners in the end.

Yours in Success,
Sarah

 

 

Apr 05, 2009 03:15 AM
Anonymous
george in AZ
I agree with Brandon. To say that Realtors were not part of the equation is a bit dreamy. How many Realtors pushed and pressured prices with no contigency contracts? How many pushed clients into loans that they knew clients could not afford? Sight unseen purchases? purchases with no appraisal contigency (ie; sell properties well over appraised value)? come on folks, as an entire industry Realtors played their part very well as did the lenders, title companies, appraisers & consumers. WE WERE ALL GREEDY! However, I do not agree with FOX and they should stick their noses out of our business because they are hurtin our industry more than anything. by the way, someone made a comment in here that "FOX, I thought they were the good guys".. LOL.. conservative views don't equal to objective news, moreso "subjective". Never count on one source stupid, do the work and research!
Apr 05, 2009 04:30 AM
#64
Anonymous
Neil Robbins e-PRO, GRI

I'll buy the question when they can answer the question - "How many REALTORS are asking people if they would like fries with that?" I don't get paid if I don't complete a sale. There is no unemployment insurance for me.

Apr 05, 2009 07:14 AM
#65
Anonymous
Anonymous

This may be too late, but just to put my two cents in...

No, I don't think that realtors are to blame or owe anything to those hit by the down housing market.  Contrary to popular belief, we cannot predict what the housing market will do.  Well, we can predict to a certain extent if we do our homework correctly, but no one predicted this drop.  That's like trying to blame something that really no one is to blame, or everyone is to blame.  You can't point to one specific group of people for something like this.  Housing is tied to the economy, the economy is tied into several things.  It's all very intertwined.  The same goes for when the housing bubble came up.  No one predicted that it would get like it did, but everyone was there trying to get their piece of the pie.  No one complained.  No one said, "well, let's wait and see.  Save up because this bubble won't last."  It all goes in cycles.  No one can predict when a boom or a downturn will happen, otherwise we'd all be super rich.

Apr 05, 2009 08:07 AM
#66
Anonymous
Tim Jurado

I am going to say something that will be very unpopular: YES YES YES . Real estate agents are partially  responsible for the current real estate market. Anyone involved with the real estate industry is partially reponsible for the current real estate economy .I am going to stick to speaking about real estate. Here is he reason why: The paperwork in real estate transaction said one thing,all the disclosures, reports, advisements it was quite clear,and all the paperwork in loan apps and loan docs with under penalty of this and I the undersigned stuff, and then real estat agents said  said to clients and customers or advertised is something different. Agents advertised SOLD IN 3 DAYS. SOLD FOR 30,000 MORE THAN LAST SALE.YOUR REAL ESTATE SPECIALIST. YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD EXPERT. YOU TRUSTED ADVISOR. NATIONAL ASSN OF REALTORS WAS ADVERTISING ITS A GREAT TIME TO BUY OR ITS NEVER BEEN A BETTER TIME TO BUY BACK THEN AND THEY ARE SAYING AGAIN NOW. HOW CAN THAT BE?Residential real estate market should never, and I mean never see that kind of appreciation ever again.Too much watchdogging and tatle tailing going on.A CEO cant play a round of golf without eing questioned. People finally understand what  a interest only loan is, what adjustable rate loans are( they understand that they cant get one). They understand that 3% to 6 % is quite bit of money to save if the homebuing bug bites. But we say dont worry, we can get the seller to pay for it...WITH THE LOAN THAT YOU GET AND PAY BACK. Thank you for your comments. Best wishes.        

Apr 05, 2009 09:57 PM
#67
Connie Harvey
Pilkerton Realtors - Brentwood, TN
Realtor - Nashville TN Real Estate

Dawn, someone sent me a link to the next blog. I followed your link to see where it started before I read the next one. I think I'm glad I missed all this. I was already having a bad weekend. This would have sent me to the moon.

Apr 06, 2009 01:33 AM
Sonya Loose
Modern Realty - Beaverton, MI
Helping Buyers & Sellers of Waterfront Property

Did Brian respond to you?  I'd love to hear his response.  I think your response to him was fabulous....you are a smart woman!

Apr 07, 2009 01:05 PM
Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
Real Estate Broker Retired

NO we don't owe anyone anything! There was an agent in the office that professed at a meeting that 'we owe it to the sellers to keep market prices up'.  OH yeah?  And tell the buyers that who actually cause market prices to decline!  Market 101, Economics 101.

Apr 08, 2009 05:21 AM
matt mathews
mathews Realty Group - Yucaipa, CA

STATEMENT OF FACT!  No matter who we may blame for this mess-THE SAME THING IS HAPPENING ALL OVER AGAIN-as I write this.  Incentives, tax credits/Federal & State, Cities and County's offering first time home buyers down payment $$$ etc, etc, etc,.  Here in my area, 90% of the buyers are first timers.  As a Agent who works mostly with buyers, I've turned away several who had a qualification letter from a lender.  After I reviewed their financial statement and added up all their monthly obligations,and did a recalulation to find out how much house they really could afford.  (debt to income ration based on NET disposable monthly income.)  They would need to look for homes in a price range $50K less than the lender approved them for. They didn't like me very well after that!  So they went to another agent who had no problems writiing up the offer for them.

Now, I ask you!  Are you putting buyers into homes right now because the lender says that they can afford it? OR!  Are you doing what I did??????????????????  Food for thought when it comes to passing the blame buck$

Apr 08, 2009 06:35 AM
Michael Loeb
TGC Financial - Port St Lucie, FL

As a mtg broker its interesting to see the shoe on a different foot.  We've been taking a lashing for a long time now.

Are realtors at fault?  Do they owe people anything to those hit by the housing market?   Good questions?

Did you ever tell a buyer

that in a few years the house would double in value. 

you can afford it.  I know a good mtg brkr that can get you approved.

you'll be making a better salary in a year or two anyway

I know this house is just a "bit" over your budget but I wanted to show it to you anyway.

 

On Wall St. one of the cardinal rules for brokers is "know your client".  Know his investing objectives, know is tolerance for risk, know if you should be looking at capital preservation or agressive appreciation.  Most NASD arbitration comes out of "unsuitable" investments. 

When the RE market was blazing.. did you take time to "know your client"?  While RE Agents don't have a SRO like the NASD it doesn't necessarily relinquish them of fault.. or guilt..  In some cases you can see a foreclosure happening a mile down the road.  I've told prospective buyers that could have been sold a mtg that they weren't ready to buy yet.  They had no idea what the responsibilities were.  Programs that gave you a 55% DTI were insane, and just a foreclosure waiting to happen.  Made a few RE agents mad as hell.. but I slept well at night... guilt free.

 

Apr 08, 2009 08:06 AM
Dawn Maloney
RE/MAX Trinity Northeast Ohio Real Estate Specialist - Hudson, OH
330-990-4236 Hudson & Northeastern Ohio

Tim & Michael, Just to let you know - the problem in my opinion was deregulation and decisions made on a much higher level than us ground soldiers. We didn't do this. The comments you are quoting are the mark of a bad agent...bad agents are a fact of life and they will never be banished from the face of the earth.

There aren't enough of them to ruin the economy, or it would have been ruined before.

This mess wasn't caused by real estate agents.

Apr 08, 2009 08:16 AM
Michael Loeb
TGC Financial - Port St Lucie, FL

Dawn,

Deregulation of what?  Our RESPA laws are pretty comprehensive.  This is what you owe, this is the interest, this is the APR, this is how much interest you will pay over the course of the loan, this is what your interest rate can go up to, this is when your interest rate can reset and the limits upon such reset.

Do we need a US Dept of Common Sense?  A CZAR of You Can't Afford That?  I thought Suzie Orman was the self appointed Head of that Dept.

It was Allan Greenspan (Fed Chairman) who said that the Option ARMs and mortgage vehicles are a good thing.  He also said, "when the party gets going, it is my job to take away the punch bowl."

It was our Government who directed Fannie and Freddie to lower standards, and then was completely surprised and shocked at the outcome.  More regulation isn't the answer, less government involvement is the answer.  Let the lenders lend according to appropriate risk, without the demand of a House for Everyone from the government, and artificially low interest rates from the Fed.

90% of Government work is fixing the unintended consequences of their ill advised legislation.  The other 10% is denying any involvement.

 

Apr 10, 2009 06:47 AM
Mike Henderson
Your complete source for buying HUD homes - Littleton, CO
HUD Home Hub - 303-949-5848

We are were we are to paraphrase Dennis Green now let's start cleaning up this mess.

Apr 11, 2009 04:49 PM