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REO Buyers in a Buyer's Market

 

We’re in a buyer’s market, right?

Millions of foreclosed homes + too few qualified buyers (supply exceeds demand) = prices falling dramatically = Buyer’s Market. That’s the conventional wisdom, and I bought into it myself, until recently.

And why not? For those few who can still get a loan, there are bargains galore, right?

The answer is an emphatic...  

                                                 It depends.

If you’re willing to clean, disinfect, rehab and repair an abandoned “fixer” -- sold “as is” -- in spite of graffiti in the bedroom and a “hardwood floor” that bounces like a trampoline, then yes, this is a wonderful time to buy. Or, if you’re an investor with a good construction crew, a strong stomach, and the belief that you can fix-and-flip faster than prices can fall, then yes, this is a remarkable, historic opportunity.

Better yet, if you have $400,000 in cash sitting in the bank ($1 - $6 million is better), then indeed, this is an ab-fab time to buy. (I just sold a 4600 SF Hollywood Hills home to a cash buyer for half of what it would have sold for three years ago.)

Yes, ma’am, if you’re one of these happy people -- it’s a buyer’s market.

But for the rest of us, here’s the reality…

You visit dozens and dozens of listed homes, and discover three types:

abandoned green algae pool foreclosure homes

1) 60% are REOs, “real estate owned” by the bank (foreclosures). The pool is algae-green and filled with minnows (to keep the mosquitoes down) and the house, to put it nicely, “needs work.”

2) 30% are short-sales, houses that are worth less than their mortgage(s). The “owner” is listing the property, but the true seller is the bank -- and getting their approval can take 6-19 months (or never). Finally, last and least…

3) 10% are deluded homeowners still trying to sell their home for 2006 prices. Since the rest of us live in 2009, their average Days On Market (DOM) is 185 and climbing. By refusing to price correctly, they are essentially buying their own home.

But wait… A miracle!   cheap foreclosed homes bargains REO REOs

You just found a well-priced REO in decent condition! You make an offer…

And suddenly discover the truth -- you’re smack in the middle of a Seller’s Market.

Fifteen other people made an offer on the property.

Most of the offers were above list price. The winning bid was significantly above list.

What just happened?

1) Ghost Inventory - Although banks own literally millions of foreclosed homes, they’re keeping most of them off the market. They know that if they dumped their entire inventory at once, prices would drop dramatically, and they’d recoup even less on already troubled assets. So they control the supply by releasing homes slowly, in dribs and drabs.

2) Feeding the Frenzy - Smart REO agents are pricing REOs very aggressively, often 10% below what they expect to sell for. (See How to Create a Bidding War in a Buyer’s Market.) They set a deadline, ask for “Final and Best” offers -- no negotiating -- and stop accepting offers once they’ve got a dozen or more in hand.

The winning bid is from a frustrated buyer who lost the last six bids, and is determined not to lose this one. So he blows away the competition with a $470k offer on a $400k REO. If he’s paying cash, you never had a chance. If she’s putting 20-30% down on a conventional loan, she’s second in line.

If you’re putting down less than 10% and offering less than full price…best of luck.

Gosh, that sure sounds like a Seller’s Market to me.    ;>}

P.S.  Thanks to Metrocities/Prospect Mortgage's Dan Harrington for helpful insights on this.

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10 Comments on The Myth of the Buyer's Market

APR
09
2009

I like this post.  Please don't forget that the banks are trying to lease their inventory in high end markets.  The problem is that the rents are sliding down as well so the market will eventually correct itself to more normal affordability it will just take longer - death by a thousand razor cuts.

Market Watcher
12:48am • #1
Absolutely spot on. I'm a buyer's agent working throughout southern California and this is exactly what I'm experiencing (except go against up to 30 offers instead if 15)
Eugene Mitchell
9:31am • #2
Absolutely spot on. I'm a buyer's agent working throughout southern California and this is exactly what I'm experiencing (except go against up to 30 offers instead if 15)
Eugene Mitchell
9:31am • #3
APR
10
2009

Hey, Todd:

    Nice to see your smiling face again. I see that most of your comments are from California. But you just described the Northeast Florida market EXACTLY!!!

    But, we are seeing an increase in buyers - shopping at least!!!

                                                                           Rebecca

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rebecca Kitkowski
11:15am • #5

That picture says it all!   The thought of jumping into the buyers' market crossed my mind this week.  It's gone now.  This will give me time to save money for the right opportunity.  Thanks for the truth!

Myrna
12:38pm • #6
APR
11
2009

Jennie Kogak, a realtor at Keller Williams RR Gable in San Fernando Valley, emails...

I thought I was the only one who was saying this! So many of my clients...and some agents, believe it or not, still thinks there's a lot of great inventory out there...and that buyers are in control...wow, thanks for the back up. I will send people to your blog if they are still not convinced.

I've had buyers with cash, over 50% down on a property, offered full price, no cash back from seller, great FICO (over 800) and good, solid income, and they lost out to someone who offered an all cash offer, $50,000 over asking price...for a 2 bdr. 2bth REO in Van Nuys...who'd a thunk it?

Another instance, a property shows active, call the agent to find out about the property, only to be told that the property has double digit offers and they are not taking any more. This type of environment only bodes well for a feeding frenzy again.

The banks have taken a big hit and this time they're being smart about it. The last foreclosure rush came all at once and dramatically lowered housing prices. Now they're releasing them a bit at a time, knowing that the properties available today will come in with multiple offers, driving the price up, but not giving the buyer much in the way of concessions.

I have tried to warn my clients but they hear differently in the media so they are questioning what I am telling them, thinking they're missing out on all the DEALS! It's hard to inform them that the deals are few and far between. If they want a half-way decent property in a good area, it is still going to cost more than they think...

By the way, Todd, thanks for that pool shot...I'm sure we can all recall some of the worst conditions we've seen in a while when showing property...needless to say, I leave my heels and new skirt at home and opt for jeans, boots and lots of perfume...LOL

Thanks again for the informative blog... Jennie"

Thank YOU so much, Jennie!!  Todd

8:00pm • #7
MAY
01
2009

Wow, sounds rough down there in SoCal. Obviously markets are different in different areas. In Feb I helped a buyer looking for a rental property (no intention of doing a fix-n-flip). We found a repo that showed poorly but mostly cosmetic problems that $5K to $10K could handle. It had been skipped over for months. We got it for $9K less than list. During 1st week of cosmetic fixing  to prepare for the rental market another interested party offered him 50% more than they paid and the deal was done. All in all, after fix up costs and closing costs they made about a 40% return in less than a month.

We do have some of the circumstances it sounds like you're dealing with there, But It's Always a Great Time to Buy - as long as one buys right. There's lots of great deals out there - go get'm.

I'm pretty sure you're going to have a great week next week.

9:43pm • #8
MAY
28
2009

Thanks, Dan.   Great story.  My investor clients tend to want much larger discounts, and would therefore miss out on that kind of opportunity.  Meanwhile I suspect the market will shift back to a Buyer's Market once the TARP-delayed foreclosures becoem REOs.  Best, TC

11:25pm • #9
JUN
05
2009

Hey Todd,

I've been looking for property in Los Angeles for several months now and am experiencing exactly what you've described. I have a credit score over 800 and about a 15% down payment. I've looked at over 150 properties, have made several offers (most of full price or a little over) and have recieved little to no response from the listing agents or have basically been told i have no chance in hell of getting "this" house.  I'd really like to buy before the end of the year to get the first time buyer's tax credit but i feel like i am never going to find a home.  Do you think the market will drop intime to recieve the credit or do you think it would be a better idea to forget the credit and wait until the market shifts back to a buyer's market?

Carrie
7:13pm • #10
JUN
06
2009
Carrie, I suspect the buyer's credit could be extended, so I wouldn't make that the main criteria. I also believe we're not at the bottom of the market, and prices could continue to fall. It will get better for buyers in 2010 and 2011 (as it gets worse for everyone else). But an important X factor is interest rates. Inflation seeems inevitable with all the government money being printed, which will raise rates -- and your monthly payment. Personally, I prefer paying more and having a lower rate than paying less and being stuck with a high interest rate. Based on that -- and current low interest rates -- I recommend making high offers NOW that are high enough to be taken seriously. And make sure your offers include: * proof of funds (POF) * a preapproval letter from a direct lender * a personalized cover letter telling about yourself and how much you love the house/neighborhood * a photo showing what a nice peron you are And if possible, send all of the above as PDF files in a single EMAIL (faxes messy and are unreliable). Let me know how it goes! Todd
Todd Coleman
1:53pm • #11

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