Where do they get these numbers?   


I am a Food Network, HGTV, DIY Network freak.  If I watch tv, these are the channels that are on.  Usually with my lap-top on my lap.  So here I am watching DIY network  and wondering, where do they get these statistics.  How do they calculate the before and after net of their feature remodel project.  

A couple decides to remodel a bathroom and the real estate agent comes in before and after the project and tells the couple their remodel will net them 5% additional on the sales price of the house.  On this particular episode the real estate agent quoted them a net gain of 300% over the cost of the remodel ($20,000 gain on $6500 spent).  Don't get me wrong, I would love it if my sellers remodeled before they listed, but these shows leave folks expecting at least dollar for dollar return on their investment.   

Aside from finding space i.e. attic or basement, and actually adding it to the total finished square feet of living space, owners should be careful when upgrading just to sell. Though they may have to upgrade outdated features just to get interested buyers, should anyone be telling them what they will net from their remodel?  

Even our Realtor® Magazine , which publishes the Cost vs. Value issue each year, has stats saying what specific upgrades are likely to net the seller.   I am going to commit a Realtor® sacralidge and ask the taboo question, how do they really know?  Can they actually collect data from like houses, in like neighborhoods, with like yards, with only one having a remodeled bathroom.  Can they then calculate the cost of the remodeled bathroom and come up with the difference the seller should expect to net?  If so, how?  Did house A sell for this much and house B sell for that much more?

For me the stats are meaningless unless I know how the data was gathered.  If somebody knows where they get the data and how they calculate these figures, please share it with me.  I would love have confidence in the numbers.  

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7 Comments on Show Me The Numbers

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Hm-m-m-m-m, sounds like fuzzy math to me... Have a great Easter Weekend...

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Mike - Maybe it's the same place our political leaders find the numbers, they make it up. Sone of my neighbors remodels kitchens and bathrooms for a living, and he asked me to give him an estimate of the value of a remodeled kitchen to a home.

Here are the variable that i needs just to make a n educated guess. Where is the home? What price range is the home? How old is the kitchen or bathroom that he is remodeling? What's the cost of the remodel?

I suggested to him that any home in Franklin over 10 years old probably needs counter tops. Anything over 20 years old probably need cabinets, counter tops, and kitchen floors, and anything over 30 years old probably also needs bathroom remodeling. Keep the expense to a minimum, and you will probably sell the home quicker, and recover your cost. Most of the time.

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Wow, surprised to see a realtor questioning the home to value numbers as they seem to be logical, and they tell you where the biggest payback is ... or this past January, warned that investing in a home office would only gain you about 50% of that because not enough people want, therefore value, this feature.

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Tina, I am not questioning the numbers, would just appreciate a better explanation of how they were derived.  I once overheard a fellow agent tell a seller to put granite counters in the children's bathroom.  The house was listed at less than 400K.  There was no way she was going to recoup that expense.  

I think sellers confuse a 50% recoup of costs with a 50% return on their investment.  Getting back half of what you spent is still a 50% loss, Getting 50% over what  you invested is a good return.  As I stated above, aside from finishing an unfinished uncounted room, 50% ROI is unlikely, unless you are a professional house flipper.

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Mike, I think there are a few quotes in history about the value of statistics, not all of them positive :)

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Mike, 

I think sometimes the TV show s figure like sellers who want the numbers to be based on 2005 2006  market prices.  Oh Well

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I have a realtor that often helps me when looking at investment potential of a home.  I once asked how he determined the added value of improvements.  He just told me it was many years of personal experience.  This realtor had sold many of the homes in our neighborhood many times over the years.

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