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"Tea Party": just a funny name for Republicans?

For several weeks the TEA (Taxed Enough Already) party has promoted April 15, 2009 as a day for protests against the evil Barack Obama's immoral tax plan. The Tea Party has garnered a great deal of exposure in light of endorsements from Newt Gingrich, the American Family Association and Fox News.

Newt Gingrich, a probable candidate for President in 2012, warned recently that a third party might have a strong foothold in next election if the GOP doesn't get its act together. At the moment he is the featured video on the group's website. It is apparent that Gingrich's sole purpose of promoting the Tax Party, is to be it's leader, if the Republicans remain historically unpopular and if the Democrats are unable to pull the country out of recession by the next presidential election. In any case, this is a calculated move from Gingrich.

Last month, Donald E. Wildmon, chairman of American Family Association/Radio said" we find it immoral to pile debt on our great-grandchildren. It appears that this situation is above the pay grade of President Obama and Congress, whose only solution is to spend more money on the problem." Two things strike me about the preceding statement. First, it is evident that Wildmon is greedy, in less than 2 sentences the man refers money 4 times. Second, is Wildmon suggesting that because his pay grade is substantially higher than Obama's that he is the one to fix this "situation"?

And now Fox News is blatantly promoting and encouraging membership in this anti democrat/pro republican protest. Therefore, the fair and balanced network is not only promoting but also encouraging membership in an unfair and unbalanced Republican pep rally.

I have never met a person that said they like to pay taxes. And I would bet that you and everyone you know don't like to pay taxes either. So, it is safe to say that no one likes to pay taxes, not just Republicans or the "Tea Party".

So, what do you think of the GOP's latest gimmick - The Tea Party?

Best regards,
Jay

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Jay- I am going to be at our city's tea party and I am proud to go. The American tea party is about getting back to principles and values. It is for those who love and honor the constitution no matter what your party affiliation is. The last tea party we were at there were Reps, Dems, Independants and Libertarians. All are welcome! You can come too.

This is against the republicans too as they are spending too much money too.This is against more of the same. The turning of the backs from what the people want and deserve. Let's see Congress all give up their paychecks for one year, give up their bonuses, their full time benefits and full pensions... then we can see who is really greedy. I am talking about all of them except for Ron Paul. Him, I respect.

I think there should be a third party. And that party is going to be the new young conservatives that are more like libertarians in many ways yet also believe in God.

Money, money, money, money, did I say it too many times? I LOVE money, I make a lot of money and I will do whatever I can to keep my money and choose to give it to my church and stop at each homeless person and give them money, even when cars honk for me to move on, I stop to give them money. Money can be used for good or evil. It took lots of MONEY to get my kids through college! It takes money to provide people that work for us a living. Higher taxes enables an inept government to choose where money should be spent wasted. If I want my money to be wasted, that should be my choice. Katerina

Jay, It looks as if you opened a can of worms and it seems as if you are very uninformed. The only reason that Fox is promoting this is because the left-wing group doesn't have the gumption or Kahoonas to say anything or do anything except march lock-step in the "spend ourselves into oblivion" parade.

As Nestor and Katerina stated, this about stopping the money spending madness that is going on in Capitol Hill. This is a protest against all parties. I am an independent and proudly so. I have a gripe against both the Dems and Reps the way that they are spending OUR money like a drunken San Diego sailor.

As the economy goes down and taxes go up, it makes it difficult for me to maintain my meager standard of living and provide for my family. It is time that the Government reigns in its tax-and-spend mentality and budget themselves just like we have to. We live within our means, why can't the Government?

Have a great Easter Weekend...

Your building consultant for life in Nashville, TN

desperate times call for desperate measures. .Newt said it bets last Sunday on Fox News. .when the Republican Party creates an agenda that FOCUS on the country rather than the GOP. .that's when you will see a shift of the country towards them.

Jay - I will second Katerina and Michael's responses! The demonstration is not aimed toward a particular political party so don't cry 'foul' toward any network that talks about it. We hear plenty talk from the networks about why spending spending spending is the way to go! The demonstrations are against the out-of-control spending! The Government is living beyond its means and doesn't care!

Mary

Jay,

Just what is it you have against gimmicks? Hell, you voted "one" into the highest office there is.

What difference does it make?

By the time Newt could run, we'll all be living in tents and eating grass in the streets because every dime we had was confiscated by the banks with government support.

Now that the government owns 80% of the equity of major banks and insurance giants, they'll be able to take everything we have, put it in a big pot, skim a bunch off for each of themselves and the redistribute what's left to anyone in the country, legal or illegal.

Of course taxes are going to be sky high. Governments can't subjugate subjects until they tax all the wealth.

Redistribution of the country's wealth is the goal. The money will come from confiscatory taxes.

Jay, I do not see any TEA party news in Rhode Island yet but I do endorse the TEA party.

Lenn, very nice comment. It is exactly what government is doing now.

Let me start at the end,

I believe Bill Clinton said something about looking forward to paying more taxes because he was earning more

Warren Buffet wants to pay higher taxes.
George Soros wants higher taxes
Joe Biden says it is patriotic to pay taxes.

Jesus often referred to money, by your definition, he was greedy.

Mr. Wildman referred to Obama's response "Some answers are "above my pay grade."

I agree with Mr. Wildman, it is unconscionable and immoral that we condemn our children and grandchildren to this debt and resultant inflation.

As for liking to pay taxes, no, I do not like to do it. However, I would feel much better about it if my taxes were actually being spent wisely and if those in congress practiced the same level of fiduciary responsibility with our money that we are held to.

Jay, I see this movement along the lines of a "kick the bums out " movement. Republicans and Democrats must go. Watch Arlen Spector get trounced in his next elelction and Chris Dodd is already 21 points behind more than a year and a half before the election.

Just remember the outcome of good people standing by and doing nothing during a massive government takeover. "The Holocaust".

Jay, You obviously missed the point of the Tea Party. These are not "anti- obama" or "anti-democrat" gatherings. They are supposed to be "anti-government mad spending". I don't know about you, but I'm getting tired of hearing about TRILLIONS of dollars being spent like it's nothing. It is my taxes being used to provide those TRILLIONS of dollars. I sit here and watch and feel like I have no say what-so-ever in this madness. Now I have an opportunity of voicing my concerns at a Tea Party. And yes....this did start with Bush, and I was PO'd then too. The madness needs to stop, and it's time the government heard the people.

Referring to money a few times makes you greedy?

I think it's a given that we can all agree that government spending is out of control. It doesn't matter whether the Democrats or Republicans are in control. You and Fox news are doing the same thing. You are trying to make this into a partisan issue in order to get people divided so the game can continue on.

I'm glad these tea parties are finally getting some traction and coverage. Ron Paul supporters had a tea party in Dec. of 2007 and raised $5 million for his campaign. It didn't get much coverage in the main stream news but that's how real change and revolutions get started. A few dedicated supporters are first ridiculed and ignored and then some how the ideas slowly become accepted.

The dangerous thing to be wary of is opportunists who try to use the movement for their own purposes. Republicans had their chance to cut spending and they ignored it. For them to try to now morph this into a Republican cause is hypocritical. Whether it's Bush or Obama, we're getting the same results. Don't get fooled by the names. It's like Coke or Pepsi. Is that a real choice?

I odn't beleive or trust 99% of them. All they do is write more stupid laws because they don't know what to do...any of them.

Jay, wouldnt it be nice if all those supporters would put their energy into trying to come together as a country? The republican party has done a good job of dividing us and it appears they want to keep that division going strong. People don't want to pay taxes, but they will be the first to start whining when there is no money to pay the military, and our safety is compromised. They will be the same ones to start whining when they have to wait in long lines at the Social Security offices when its their turn to apply, because there are too few employees to handle the applicants. You get the picture. I say, if you don't want to pay taxes, don't, but also don't expect any of those services the government provides, cause your name is on a list of "do not help."

Jay: I believe the are into TEABAGGING. Funny and curious name. Sure they have no idea what it means.

I would have never thought that the first time I would see the term "teabagging" would be on a post contributed to the Silent Majority Group. That should make this feature worthy in of itself. Good going, Scott. Now I just need to convince Nicholas to make me a moderator around here;)

I agree with Katerina in that we need a viable third party. Her suggestion was young conservatives. I would add that a fourth party be added to the mix, moderate liberals. Personally, I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative.

Because I want to pull my hair out before I reach 35, I switch back and forth often times between MSNBC & FOX News. It's like two different worlds, both so obviously partisan it is sickening. Yet, color me stupid... I watch both blowhards that pose as journalistic entities.

To this post, I believe and have believed that the Tax Code as we know it should be abolished. I say that a flat tax would make much more sense, though not to the folks whose agenda is stroked with the current tax laws. I don't think the Tea Parties(as much as it is being touted and used as) it is a party issue. I think it is a statement to both parties who have been in power since George Washington chipped his wooden tooth on turkey bone. That statement is, "Start working for us, not your partisan agendas and personal pocketbooks."

Hi Jay,

I plan on going to the one in Phoenix. Like Katerina said - it's not a party thing and I'm disappointed to hear you say it's anti-democratic? Is protesting only allowed by non-Republicans and and paid ACORN members? You aren't being forced to go why is it bothering you so much?

In fact, here it's being promoted for anyone who is sick of watching completely out of touch (or greedy and power-hungry) politicians spend our money recklessly and with no accountability and not much transparency - Democrats, Republicans, Independents, etc. alike. Congress was elected to work for us. They were not born into a royal family with an entitlement to run my life.

For all of you that think this is a Republican issue, please listen to Katerina - this is about all politicians who spend too much. It is not a party issue. If you have yet to get or hear that Republicans are plenty mad at Republicans as well as Democrats who have been irresponsible in crazed spending, then you are not being open-minded and having an open discussion, you are hearing what you want to hear and making false accusations about divisiveness.

Teabagging...Too funny Scott.

A young conservative party is about as viable as an old liberal party. A viable national third party won't succeed that is even more to the right or left of the two major parties. The majority of the country is in the middle. A pragmatic, progressive centrist party with ideas and solutions not based on right or left, conservative or liberal ideology is much more viable.

Mitchell: I would support a candidate that was as you described.

Great link to the whole "teabagging" issue. Explained in good detail. Some would say NSFW, maybe with an "R" rating. Very funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F26vC_1_8xw

Scott, That candidate is Mike Bloomberg. Some people think he may run against Obama.

I googled "teabagging" 1st time I'd seen the term lol.

check out this music video TeaPartay

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTU2He2BIc0

Obama does not care about the future generations - only the now! Isn't that so O'merican? The "O" was intentional.) Please, all you folks out there, earn more money so I don't have to pay more taxes for I do not want to pay more!

Fernando is right on track here!

Katerina, thanks for the invitation. The "corporate sponsors" of the Tea Party are basically a who's who of Republicans. So, I have difficulty believing that the Tea Party is anything but a vehicle to rally Republicans and to convert Independents and Democrats to the GOP.

Anyway, I too respect Ron Paul. He doesn't get enough respect from his party and would make an excellent third party candidate. I agree that we should have a viable third party in this country (1992's presidential election was a prime example of how a viable third candidate can make a substantial impact).

Michael, which sentence seemed as if I am uninformed? You mention a "meager standard of living" - given most people's definition of meager, you would not be adversely impacted by Obama. Therefore, you have nothing to worry about.

Fernando, Newt helped the GOP 15 years ago, we'll have to wait and see if he can help it again.

Mary, Katerina had a great comment. However, if you look at enough charts comparing the Great Depression and previous recessions to our current situation, you will see that drastic measures are necessary to fix our economy. It would also be interesting to know how many Tea Party participants thought very little of the Clinton years which ultimately resulted in surpluses (and a change from the Reagan/Bush era of massive deficits).

Ross, hell, I voted for an intelligent candidate. George W. Bush would probably characterize intelligence as a gimmick, but I rest a bit easier knowing that our president has above average intelligence.

Lenn, if the government runs the banks as well as they do the military, we should be in good shape!

Huiting, why do you endorse it?

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Mitchell, funny video!

Jay, Newt helped the GOP 15 years ago and began the division of this country with his Contract On America!

Terry ,The contract with America is probably the only circumstance in my lifetime in which I can remember that many politicians running on a platform and then actually sticking to their campaign promises. It was the contract with America that made Bill Clintons presidency not a complete waste.

Mitchell- Most of the country still believes in God and most of the country is still conservative. Bush was a centrist, big mistake, the rep party became centrist to please more people, big mistake for them. The rising of young people who are capitalists and conservatives are far more than any one cares to admit. I am meeting people not just in our country but all over Europe who are sick and tired of socialism and are deciding to run for offices to make their silenced voices be silent no more.

Jason- I am all about abolishing the tax system the way it is. Totally with Ron Paul on how taxes should be structured. He is very smart when it comes to finances.

Terry- Like I said in another post about social security, I could care less about social security. Do you even know your history of how social security even started and that is was not meant for anyone to have? They were banking on people dying before they could collect. A German Chancelor only came up with the idea to appease the people. When the Americans posed the same question- someone said, hey, the Germans set the age at,__ ( I forgot the age) so they set the age because then that was the life expectancy.

When there is not enough money in the treasury and they have to start printing money interest rates will begin to rise. China for sure is not going to loan us money with a low interest return on their money for such a high risk. That gets passed on to the people. Remember Jimmy Carter years? You can't keep printing money for every social program out there. Services need to be cut and wasteful spending stopped. You can't keep taxing the rich because they are just going to leave. Then who is going to pay for all of your social hand outs and government make work programs? Our companies are going to be taxed even higher than Sweden. Sweden is even asking the US not to raise the taxes so high, they have companies here in the US that also pay those taxes. They may as well go home in that case and of course lay off the people working here. Katerina

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Mike, thanks for pointing out that two of the richest people on earth are willing to pay higher taxes. I too would prefer that tax revenue be spent wisely from my perspective.

Hugh, I'm not sure how the Tea Party and the Holocaust can be compared.

Bob, it is clear that to prevent a total economic collapse that we must do something drastic - either pump trillions into the economy or do nothing and revert back to a hunting/gathering society.

Tim, I strongly prefer Coke! Anyway, based on the groups that are sponsoring and promoting these events - it is the Republican party D/B/A the Tea party. Also, the event with Ron Paul was prior to direct involvement from Fox News, American Family Association and Gingrich.

Tony, I could trust them a lot more if lobbyists were removed from Washington.

Terry, a "do not help" list is a good idea. In fact, the Tea Party/Republicans could become the Do-Not-Help Party!

Scott, that crossed my mind as well!

Jason, a flat national sales/consumption tax seems like the best alternative.

Stephanie, protests are part of a healthy democracy - not everyone can always be happy, and anyone that is unhappy should be allowed to express their thoughts.

Katerina,

It is a myth that America is a conservative country. Data shows the movement of public opinion, particularly on social issues, to be in one direction: to the left.

According to 2008 exit polls and demographic surveys about 32% of the country identifies themselves as conservative. 17% identify themselves as liberal and the vast majority 50% identify themselves as Moderate. Out of the 50% moderate majority 58% identify with progressive policies. Many of the self-identified conservatives when asked about specific policies support progressive policies. While many American’s may call them selves conservative, the overwhelming majority of Americans support progressive policies.

You can make an argument that Bush has governed as a centrist, but it is not an argument that is widely believed. He is perceived both here and abroad as a neo-conservative and social conservative. I will agree he was a big mistake.

I’m not sure what your statement that most Americans still believe in G-d means. Are you implying that everyone who believes in G-d thinks the same way politically?

Presidential elections are won center right or center left. The pendulum swings back and fourth. Extreme right and left wing parties might win regional elections but not a Presidential election.

Happy Easter and enjoy your tea party.

So What, Who Cares... They Lost, poor losers

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Mitchell- I suppose that depends on whose polls you are looking at, whether the people are answering honestly and the timing of the polls.

I do believe as I am seeing a lot more people returning to principles. My church is very much based on set principles and beliefs that obviously are being embraced because we are the fastest growing church in our country and the world. That leads me again to believe that conservativeness is on the rise not the decline.

I do think that believing in a Christian and Jewish God, does not go along with the progressive movement. The core of the progressive movement is evolution.

What most people believe 'progressive' is; is not what it really is. Most people if they really did their due diligence and researched the history of progressiveness in America would be rather shocked and actually digusted at what they might find.

I see a movement of young people who are becoming much more conservative politically and more libertarian leanings. In my town, the young people are more conservative than their parents, mostly.

2 of my sons, 28 and 26 are going into politics as young conservatives and fiscal conservatives. They have a pretty strong following amoung their peers here. I don't believe we are a dying breed:)

I think that many people that are conservative are just too quiet about their views and therefore the majority that is louder tends to be what people think the rest of us think. That is not the case. Katerina

Hi Jay...Thanks for your invitation to join your group. I will give it some thought. I generally stay away from these discussions (the past couple of days have been among my occasional transgressions) simply because we each preach to the choir.

I say the same things, they say the same things, and no one really changes anyone's mind. Oh, well.

I do find it interesting that we are having a give and take about taxes and politics and God comes into it. Some people say Christian. Others become a little more inclusive and say Christian and Jewish God. Few seem able to go beyond that.

It always interests me how people can become so concerned about their money and so unconcerned about lives lost in war.

It is curious how President Obama was ever elected if there is no doubt that the majority of people in the United States are conservative. If President Bush was really a centrist than I am more than ready for someone to the left.

If anyone is worried about big government where were they when the Patriot Act was being enacted? Where were they when the Justice Department was trampling on people's rights?

Where were the people who are so concerned about our fiscal mess when we invaded a country that had not harmed us and then proceeded to spend billions and billions of dollars. Yes, along with death and injury to our soldiers and many innocent Iraqis, we managed to increase the deficit.

Now, if anyone has had the patience to read all of this, there will be some that agree more or less with me and others that definitely will not. I will not have changed one mind. Probably none of you are changing any ones mind either.

Cheers,

Kate

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Katerina: Your previous post was silly. Please, you conservatives rustle up the Jews and wrap yourself in God whenever your conservatism gets threatened. All the Jews I know are either liberal or progressive and have no use for right-wing policies. You obviously have no idea what a progressive is. Certainly, most people from the middle to the left believe in evolution...as it is scientific fact. I would even guess that most republicans believe in evolution. I would even take that further and say that most people in mainstream religions believe in evolution.

This country is a centrist country with fringes on the right and the left. Get used to it.

Scott, You need to meet more Jews

Hugh: If you want to introduce me to some, that would be fine. If they are right-wingers, I will take a pass.

Kate: They were completely SILENT regarding the PAtriot Act, the TIPS program, etc. Remember, it was all about "keeping us safe." At the time, liberals and progressives were shouting against these programs. Too little too late.

Damn Scott, How Am I ever going to change your misguided way of thinking if I can't introduce you to right wingers LOL

Hugh: Conservatives I don't mind. It is the right-wingers I have issues with. I don't see you as a winger, Hugh.

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SSHHHHHHHHHHH , Dont tell anyone

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Foxnews did take a position. Not much different than the left wingers at MSNBC. They, just like politicians, know who the target audience is!

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Jay, As usual you are getting tons of points with this nonsense. All I needed to see was Terry and Scott and Mitchell were the first to agree with you. Keep watching. I am glad you think it is just Republicans that care about what is being talked about at the tea parties. some day you will wake up and realize more people than just Republicans are tired of it. I am not about to waste any more time arguing such stupidity on here as "teabagging". You know what is going on!

Oh yeah, what do I think? Were you at one? Gimmick? I don't think so.

John, I completely disagree with your characterization of comments from Terry, Scott and Mitchell. While you might disagree with them, did you not notice comments from Katerina, Michael, Fernando, Mary, Ross, Lenn, Huiting, Mike, Hugh, Bob, Tim, Tony, Stephanie, Gary and Brad? Why can you not acknowledge their contributions to this discussion?

To answer your question... no, I did not attend a "Tea Party" - I worked instead. However, you do not have to attend a basketball game to know the outcome and you did not have to attend a "Tea Party" to know it's purpose and party affiliation. These Tea parties produced an almost comical amount of bizarre and exceedingly inaccurate anti-Obama propaganda by Dick Armey, the AFA and Title Sponsor: Fox News.

Yes, this was the most ill conceived Republican "gimmick" since Bush landed on an aircraft carrier.

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John: Where have you republicans been for the past 8 years? Goerge Bush destroyed the economy and nary a peep from the right-wing. Typical.

Same goes for domestic spying, domestic wiretaps, Internet interfesence,...shall I continue?

PRINCETON, NJ -- A new Gallup Poll finds 48% of Americans saying the amount of federal income taxes they pay is "about right," with 46% saying "too high" -- one of the most positive assessments Gallup has measured since 1956. Typically, a majority of Americans say their taxes are too high, and relatively few say their taxes are too low.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/117433/Views-Income-Taxes-Among-Positive-1956.aspx

So much for the tea parties.

Many interesting comments here, albeit most based on emotion and rhetoric and primarily devoid of fact. We have had a double standard in this country for far too long, things that are acceptable when one party is in charge are unforgivable when the other takes over. That is a fact, and both parties share in the guilt. The problem with this country is not a 2 party political system, it is that the parties seem to care more about maintaining their grip on power rather than making the country a better place to live. When our political leaders will work together to do what is best for the country without worrying who gets the credit, then we will begin to see real change. That kind of cooperation has not been seen since WWII.

Barack Obama is my president. Whether I like him or not, he is my president and I will support him with my prayers. George W. Bush was my president for eight years before, like him or not, and I supported him as well. Ditto for Clinton, Bush 41, Reagan, etc. When we stop pulling against each other and start pulling together, we will be surprised how great we can become as a nation.

I think we need to stop thinking of ourselves as R or D, and start thinking of ourselves as A, Americans. We all live together in this great land, and are responsible for our stewardship of the land and it's inhabitants. I believe that the American people are better equipped to take that responsibility than the American government. As Katerina stated, we can all do something to help a friend or a neighbor in need. As a nation, we have demonstrated time and time again how generous we can be.

Just my opinion,

Kevin

Jay, Of course I noticed the other comments. They all disagree with your assesment. Did you see them? You did not attend, so wait and tell me what it is all about after you go to one.

Scott, I was against plenty of wasteful spending with the Bush administration and here in PA we had rallies against some of it. This is nothing new here! I am a conservative before a Republican, you seem to have trouble understanding that concept.

Mitchell, You like most other have no idea what these tax parties are about, I guess. It is about the govt. getting too much control, wasteful spending, and yes, taxes. It is not ONLY about taxes. I love how you look at those numbers. Almost half of those polled think they are TOO HIGH. HMMM? Also, when the Obama plan takes on full potential the previous tax cuts will disappear and then we will see what the people say. Of course they still like the numbers, not much changed YET.

Kevin, Well said!

John, using your logic - no one should say anything about congress or any bill unless they are physically in the US Capitol during the debates and votes on those bills.

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Hi Jay , I will join your group.It seems I will be in good company with most of the comments that I read.My only agenda is "the Constitution of the United States of America"and I believe the founding fathers had an excellent plan for this nation. I believe in less government in my pocket , I believe in our rights of : life,liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Just remember change can start in any grass root group of patriots.

Call me Greedy as well. I too like money, lots and lots of money. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. The Tea Party here in Cincinnati seemed to attended by mostly either republicans or independants. That from someone I know that went, I worked, however would have liked to have attended simply to hear the speakers so I too could generate an opinion of the event. But since I did not attend, I'll have to leave the critiquing to someone else.

Jay,

Short comment, the tea parties were about spending. The Democrats make Bush look like a penny pincher. Obama's budget is just ridiculous and will not be a stimulous to the economy. If this is allowed to go on, we will be faced with high inflation. I think all the other comments said the rest.

Jay,

Thanks for the invite to your group. I joined after only having skimmed throught the thread titles. This will be an interesting group to drop into now and then.

As for this thread, my favorite feel-good comment came from Kevin (Comment #44). The only thing I might disagree with there is that, while it is right to support our president in doing the right thing for the country, it is wrong to offer blind support of reckless policy. Obama's solution to the financial mess has been akin to throwing gasoline on the fire in several ways.

This enormous outlay of funds - so critical that there was no time for debate or even a thorogh reading of the bill - will not create enough jobs to cover the additional funds necessary to even offset the interest on the new debt. Thus, this will require tax increases on everybody in the near term, and higher taxes with less return in store for future generations. If this tea party thing wasn't heavily attended by Democrats, I think it should have been.

Bill, thanks for joining the group! In general it sounds like we think the same way. I'm looking forward to hearing more from you.

Sandra, if Obama's budget won't stimulate the economy, what will? Our economy is at least the worst it has been since the 1930s. And many would argue that FDR was more responsible for ending The Great Depression than WWII.

Patrick, thanks for joining! Blatant Politics features a good variety of blogs and comments on current events and noteworthy political events. Anyway, why do you say the bill will not create enough jobs?

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Jay,

Newt isn't going to be running. He would make a great candidate because he understands history (as a history professor), but he won't run. His motives are larger than himself. :)

Steve

No, I think it was definitely WWII. Nothing was working until the factories put people back to work.

Now I have to go sell some real estate.

Jay, you ask why I say the bill will not create enough jobs [to...offset the interest on the new debt]. Well, first of all, as long as there is an already existing budget defecit, all of the money going to create the new jobs is borrowed already. Any tax revenue derived from the newly created jobs will, thus, be only a portion of the borrowed money used to create the jobs.

Furthermore, only a relatively small portion of funding from the Recovery and Reinvestment Act is even intended to spark job creation. Much of it seems to be slated for jobless benefits and windmills. Which I am not against. I think safety nets are a good idea. But when it becomes more attractive to be jobless than to go out and get a crappy job that will feed the family, nobody is going to take the crappy jobs.

The Congressional Budget Office, in its estimate of costs of the Act between 2009 and 2019, predicts the net impact on the deficite between those years at $838,198 million. I don't see any mention of the cost of interest on the new debt in the CBO's estimate. If you can conceive of the cost of interest payments on the new debt, and the impact it will have on future generations, you are a smater man than I am. But I think any benefit that comes from this stimulous bill will be a flash in the pan - for which we will pay for a very long time.

I still dream of an opportunity to blow $100 million on a serious "None Of The Above" campaign. There needs to be a major shakeup in our political system: our government is not representative of its citizens anymore, Dem or Rep.

Ever read "Decline & Fall of the Roman Empire"? Just wondering who's going to end up being Nero.

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Jay, thanks for the invite. I do believe that there should be a third party, the "American Party" that believes in the Constitution of the United States as it is written.

APR

A sign of their stuggle to find meaning in lives as history passes them by. I was LOL all weak at the "tea-baggers" with tea-bags hanging off of their hats.

MAY

Lenn, Great comment, I could not agree more..I heard a great quote yesterday from our founding fathers, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams. They said if you want a strong government vote according to your faith, If you want a weak government vote according to everything else.

We all know that this election people voted according to their fear and money not their faith and look what is happening..Fear gave way to the Government diving into to ruin our country's free speech and capitolism...Our Founding Fathers still prove to be much wiser than our recent generations..Let's hope at least someone is threatened by the Tea Parties and there are more to come. Fox News has bee getting 250,000 more viewers than Ms.NBC, CNN and Headline News espeically O'Reilly show.

It brings back my faith in America that Americans are starting to listen up and wisen up!!

MAY

Stupid name for stupid people.

MAY

Scott,

Real intelligent reponse there. I know, it is hard for you when you don't know what to say. I know, if you don't like something you can call names. If others don't like something they are bigots, racists, etc... I really do not get it.

JUL

Scott, you have as much right to express yourself as the next shill. If you want to be taken seriously, present some valid argument.

Social engineering via stimulus spending is how Japan got to the 3rd ranked debt/GDP ratio in the world, near 200% according to IMF sources.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_debt

They started these stimulus packages in the 90s with a low debt/GDP ratio. We're following in their footsteps and so far, with the same non-results.

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