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A Look at History

Years ago the Red Shirt Warriors of the Lakota Indian Tribe were highly respected. They were fierce, they were elite, they were the best of the best. There are stories about how the Red Shirt Warriors were fearless and could do anything. The Lakota tribe didn't give a bow and arrow to every member of their tribe and call them a Red Shirt Warrior. There were only 2 invitations extended every 4 years for new members. Yes the members of the tribe were hand picked and invited to become members. To be picked you had to be elite and have the skills and heart required to be part of the group. 

The Red Shirt Warriors had guidelines and requirements in order to be part of them. What if the Red Shirt Warriors let anyone who wanted to join their group? People wouldn't strive to be their best to get into the group. They would have become a mediocre group. But because only the best were in the group, other people strived to become their best so that they could one day be a Red Shirt Warrior.


Today's business model is full of mediocrity. You can tell mediocrity is rampant when the market becomes saturated and consumers base their choices on price alone. Is the market saturated? There were over 9000 agents in my area last December trying to snag 430 home sells in January. That is definitely saturated. What about price? Consumers in a saturated market assume that every person in it provides equivalent service. When all service providers as perceived as being equivalent, consumers make their decisions based on price alone. You see this equivalent service as real estate agents advertise "Full Service" at a discount so that you save. Consumers are confused by these messages. Agent X with Coldwell Banker or Prudential or RE/MAX has been an agent for 20 years and sells 50 homes a year. Agent X has refined negotiating skills and a brilliant marketing budget and plan. Agent Y with the same company is new to the business and has business cards hot off the press, but no marketing plan or negotiating skills or experience. The brokerage mandates that they charge the exact same fee. What is wrong with Agent X and Agent Y charge the same fee? Two totally different agents with differing marketing skills, experience, etc. and they get the same reward for selling the home? (Okay, so their split is different but the consumer pays the same amount for either agent.)

Who is at fault?

If you have read Good to Great you might say the Leader is at fault. If you have read the Tipping Point or the E-myth, you might say that the system is broken. Well let's look at the industry and see what the focus is on. What do brokerages focus on to make money? They focus on recruiting. Its a numbers game right? 'The brokerage with the most agents wins.' The traditional brokerage models focus on recruiting as many people as they can into their brokerage. As they do this, they do not focus on the actual agent they are hiring. You may say that brokerage A does training and offers marketing to help agents, etc, etc. But when their primary focus is on recruiting more agents, their training becomes a lower priority. How do we know this is true? Subconsciously and consciously people know they don't have to work hard to be part of brokerage A. Every traditional brokerage in town allows any agent to hang their license with them if they have a pulse and a real estate license. You could say, every one gets a bow and arrow.

How is the industry going to change? Should we pass new laws?

No, there is not going to be a law passed that forces brokerages to employ better quality agents or salaried employees instead of independent agents. What is going to happen is economic pressure will purge the industry. During a commoditization of an industry someone is going to do something different and stand out and be the Starbucks or the Cirque de Soleil of the industry. Economic pressure is coming that will force brokerages to change or die. The Industry will change when someone does not hand out a bow and arrow to everyone. The industry will change because there is a team so elite and good that it hits other companies hard in their pockets.

What is the change going to be?

It will be exactly what the book Blue Ocean talks about. The change will be the opposite of what is happening in the industry. If every brokerage is focusing on recruiting agents, the new brokerage will focus on quality of agents. The new brokerage will be as the Red Shirt Warriors. Elite agents will be chosen to be part of the brokerage because of their abilities. Not simply because they have a pulse. There will be a subconscious pressure for people to perform the best they can in order to be a part of the elite group.   The change will be 3 fold. 1rst: the brokerage will only focus on quality of agents. 2nd: the structure of how an agent works will change. 3rd: the service given to the consumer will be instant results, knowledge, and services. The consumer will also see the value of this New Brokerage because there won't be inexperienced agents charging the same commission as the experienced agents. Regarding the change in structure, I'm talking about how agents' work will change. If you read the E-myth you will read why businesses fail. The New Brokerage which focused on quality agents will have a new structure. Today's model of an agent's business fails 90% of the time. The structure will meet the other 10%. What about the service given to clients? 80% of clients browse the internet to look for a home. 70% of those, don't call their brother or cousin to go look, they drive by the house on their own. The new brokerage model will give these people what they want. The new business model will get these people in the homes that instant, when they want to see it. How do I know? Because I know why people are calling me to help them buy a home instead of calling their brother. I know why other real estate agents are calling me to sell their own homes or to help their clients. I am seeing the change firsthand. People want a higher level of service.

Why are other brokerages forced to change?

Well lets look at some statistics. There is an office across the street from me that had over 40 agents. In December those 40 agents sold 16 homes. That is an average of 1/3 of a home sale per person. In the same month I sold 15 homes myself with 7 agents helping me.  We averaged almost 2 sales per person. Our average was 5-6x better than the brokerage across the street. These numbers came from when our market hit bottom. When the market picks up the statistics will start to grow exponentially better than the traditional brokerage across the street. As this grows, people will take notice. (They already are.) I didn't have to advertise to recruit and one of the best agents in town just joined my team. Agents want to be part of the New Brokerage model because it means more success. The other brokerages won't be able to keep the quality agents. Their overhead will be too high and they won't be able to compete. They will be forced to change.

What should I do?

If you want to be successful, you will have to start doing the opposite of what everyone else is doing. You already know what everyone else is doing, the question is do you have the courage to do the opposite?

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212 Comments on The New Business Model in Real Estate - Good Bye Old Brokerages and Brokerage Models.

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Utah Dave...

This kinda reminded me of that episode on Seinfeld where George becomes George's total opposite and actually starts succeeding at a few things in life :)

TLW...ROAR!

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Oh...

And I'm parking with my popcorn for the heated discussion this post guarantees me :)

TLW...ROAR!

12:28pm • #2
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Dave; Great post! It made me think. There's a saying out there "Adapt or die". I think that is expecially true in our world. Take care.

12:40pm • #3

Great post! As a young professional just getting into this industry, I see more and more of the "seasoned agents" who are reluctant to change and want to continue to do business as they have for years. Well, truth be told, times are changing. I believe our customers are getting smarter and smarter by the minute due to the Internet and how readily available good information is. I think as an agent the focus is going to have to shift to customer service. Sure some agents have maybe been in the game for 20+ years and might even have 50-60+ listings or more at a time, but are they reallying providing the quality service that customers deserve? Again, great post, and I, too, look forward to the discussion this post brings!

12:41pm • #4

Great Post. I am going to copy it and print it and hand it out at our next meeting....

12:46pm • #5
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You are right on point, my friend (ugh...I just did a John McCain there, sorry). Too many brokerages, while recognizing the power of the internet, are just too stuck in their old ways to really make the new thinkgs work for them effectively.

12:57pm • #6

Great post - thanks for sharing!

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Nice post. I'm going to "park with my popcorn" as well.

1:23pm • #8
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there has already been a huge change in brokerage. 100% agencies are popping up 1 after another. KW is growing exponentially. I truly don't know what keeps the traditional brokers alive anymore?

1:39pm • #9
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Utah Dave,

Excellent discussion and I like your book references.  We read the same stuff.  In keeping with the E-Myth,

i'm working more on my business rather than in my business and I've watched my business explode.  I'd love to hear a more detailed explanation of your business model that is clearly succeeding in a down market. 

1:59pm • #10

Great post! As a broker of a small firm, I completely agree with you. We focus on quality and customer service rather than 100 listings per agent.

2:18pm • #11
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Hi Dave

You and I talk the same language. I have a small brokerage and we focus on quality not quantity. How on earth can one or two brokers 'supervise' and train 500 or 1500 agents......and do it well? They don't. I worked with a huge company here in Phoenix for many years before opening my own office.  I know the trial, tribulations and headaches of those big boys and girls!  Not for me.

Share more of you business model.   Sounds a lot like ours.

Thanks for the great post!

2:19pm • #12
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Great post. Very interesting. One of the top offices in my area is an invite-only, all-broker office. Each agent has to be voted in by 2/3 vote of the existing agents (who are all shareholders as well). The model has worked very well, though there is obviously a limit to how many brokerages can do this in any given area, since there are a finite amount of elite agents in any marketplace. 

2:24pm • #13
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Blue Ocean Strategy is one of my favorites and a must read. A few ramdom thoughts, when the lawsuits exceed the number of agents recruited, maybe the price tag will be too high for wanton recruiting. When the Boards accounting nightmares collecting dues is so great then they will think the price tag is too high. When Commisssions, Boards, and schools start to teach finance so that future realtors realize that they will need to put away $50,000 a year into savings in order to retire someday, they may want to find work that has a pension. Unfortunately, what is taught is how to pass the test.

2:24pm • #14
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Good post. What you are saying is that "bigger" is not "better" in most cases. Unfortunately mediocrity has been the standard - for agents and a few brokers I have seen!

2:41pm • #15
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Dave,  I wish we could find a way to "weed" out agents before they start like the Lakota did.  Instead we let anybody who can fog a mirror become one of us and then many falter and fail and make us all look bad while harming themselves as well with financial investment and no return and bruised egos.

2:55pm • #16
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Yep.  Think I'll park with popcorn, too, and see how this develops.

2:57pm • #17
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Did you say Tipping Point?  I have that one on order.  I first read The Outliners and just recently saw the author speak and he signed my book.  Anyways, I need a Tipping Point and your comments have given me some much needed thoughts.

3:31pm • #18
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Hi Dave -- Well said.  Agents are slow to change in general and have the mantra: If it ain't broke, don't fix it!  Real estate is rapidly changing and those that adapt, learn and have great tenacity and skills will survive.  Those that don't, will slowly (or even quickly) fade away.  I started my own company to incorporate a different and better business model that I could not achieve working for the big guys.

My best to you!!!

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Dave...

Wow ... some years ago I worked for one of those recruit driven companies. Problem was, once you were recruited, the company was done with you and you were on your own. And when the focus is recruiting AGENTS, you can imagine how badly the real estate buying clients were treated.

The numbers game models are failing for the reasons you mentioned. Very astute and worthy post.

3:45pm • #20
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You should be able to sell 1 house a month on average has always been my feeling.  I am amazed at the companys that take the people who sell 2-3 homes a YEAR.

3:54pm • #21
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Boutique brokerages are coming back in our area! 10 good producing agents is much better than an office full of names. Interesting how a big company in our area has gone from over 300 to less than 100. Promises were made and not delivered and agents are looking for something better. I think 2009 will be a year of much agent movement.

4:02pm • #22

 The first brokerage I joined accepted applicants based solely on their ability to pass the test.  Which is a joke by the way.

My next brokerage had ownership that was more interested in opening additional offices than tending to the needs of the agents and their clients.

In May I opened my own brokerage here in Historic Annapolis.  I refer to it as "boutique" as I have no intention of ever having more than 8-10 agents.  I have always strongly believed in service and integrity simply based on the sheer amounts of dollars that we deal with.  I would never employ an agent solely because of the  amount of business they do.  Trust, knowledge, experience and the ability to get along with others is far more important.

 

 

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Well stated and interesting perspectives.

Thanks for sharing this!

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4:23pm • #24

great post / great reading list. Joe great point on the financial realities of being in this business. So few newbies get the business side of this. It's not just the retirement savings but the simple business administration. How to be ready for a rainy day, how much can I invest in my business and still afford to eat?

I do wish the educational requirements were a little more intensive to start and maintain a real estate license.

I thought it was important for me to obtain my brokers license if i was going to make this a career, i took my 1st broker course when i was only 6 months in the business.

4:27pm • #25
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I have a boutique agency of experts and am proud of it. I don't want everyone... but just a few.

The major competitor will indeed hire anyone who fogs a mirror (although they would deny that).

Quality over quantity any day.

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Dave, I see a WAVE of virtual offices in the near future...

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Great post!  I agree it will revolve around the transaction per agent is this is the most profitable for the Broker.  This statistic will demand quality in the process on both the buying and selling side. 

5:33pm • #28
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Dave, I think the consumer has always wanted service. It's just they were fooled into thinking they could only find at the bigger brokerages. This has always been a myth. Now the market has changed many brokerages and agents that don't provide service are going under. Quality will always win.

6:42pm • #29

I agree to a certain extent, but I think this might be off.

Here's why. Tech magic will make it increasingly likely that mediocre agents will fit nicely into the new brokerage model.

How? Well the typical 1 man (or woman) small business machine model that is prevelant today will die in favor of a more corporate looking model where the myriad duties of one agent are split up into...for lack of a better word...jobs!

Example "jobs" at Penetrode Real Estate:

(Yeah, I do think some kind of "corporate banking" model may eventually prevail.)

PROSPECTING DEPARTMENT

Cold Caller

Social Media Yenta

Direct Mailer

Syndication Specialist (Don't ask.)

Events (Open House) Coordinator

 

INCUBATION DEPARTMENT

Internet first responder

Phone First Responder

Walk In Handler

 

BUYER SERVICES DEPARTMENT

PreQualification / Mortgage Approval Specialist

Listing Preview Specialist (answer buyer questions about listings)

SHOWERS...and SHOWER ASSISTANTS (not as Hot as it sounds- "Show-er"...here's where those mediocres fit .)

Offer Preparers/Negotiaters (Give thosed grizzled vets these and pay them air traffic control money, whatever that is? You get the analogy I guess... :)

Conveyancers

Settlement Coordinators (and anyone else who has an interest in attending settlement can come along, but there really won't be any more of this inefficient Buffini style relationship building stuff in my model, so sorry :)

 

MARKETING DEPARTMENT

Listing Servicing

SEO and Content Creation Specialists (this is coming either way)

BRAND Building / PR, etc..

 

I'M PROBABLY MISSING A LOT

Now, I know opened up some can-o-wormy stuff? So let me have it!

 

I mean...Wow.  Mine was the first dissenting comment? It was really a great post, and for what it's worth I don't really disagree with most of what Dave said... but man, this thing should be sparking off a little bit more back and forth?

[...and if anyone's really interested in "doing the opposite", peep HOUSEYOURMOM.COM :)  ]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ryan Hartman
7:33pm • #30

Oops...forgot to login before that last comment ...

7:36pm • #31
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Love all the comments.  Thank you everybody for insight and experiences.  I am shocked there arent more naysayers.   I do agree with Ryan that Of course there will be mediocre agents and jobs.  I mean.....how can you have elite people if there are only elite people...they all would than be average. lol  I really dont think that spill was a dissenter....it was talking about doing the opposite.  Yes, I agree there will be 100% models and even KW or other brokerages around.   One brokerage model cant dominate....and if it does...according to Blue Ocean, it would take 15 years before everyone was doing what the new brokerage was doing.  I remember back in 2001 I believe....I was one of the first agents with IDX on my site in the area.  In 2004 I was the first to have  VOW in our area.  No one was doing it...the leads were pouring in.  The internet competition came but the majority of agents dont believe in internet leads still.  It may be 2015 before almost every agent feels its necessary to have a lead generating website.   Why be the last one to change?  Thats just embarassing....why not be one of the first.  Be a leader of change. :)  I love seeing so many of the comments because it shows me the awesome leaders out there.  So many people to learn from so little time.  Hows the Popcorn?

8:18pm • #32
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As long as anyone can get a licenses and work on commission there will be 100 different models. Most agents don't even sell a house in a year.

Like here it is a status symbol every military spouse goes and gets a license, the same with executive wives and off to all the board get togethers and lucheons etc. This will never change, it is like the ole saying "those that can't, TEACH" and the other saying is only club members allowed.

You want to see this in real life go to your next board luncheon or christmas party given by the board.

8:25pm • #33
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You are right in a way.  But many brokers make most of their money on the contract money.  The first million dollars of sales split by the broker makes them the most money.  So the more part times that do a million makes them a lot of money

9:00pm • #34
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Good points by many. But what about a hybrid model based on those presented by Ryan & Dave?  There will be the mega corporate brand(s) that compartmentalize and segment each task of the process so they can be staffed by the lowest common denominator until programs can be written to take over their work.  This follows the corporate banking model, but it's not going to work for everyone forever...  ... as RealtyCo grew and prospered, the people cried out for the personal touches of the old brokerages. 

Everything's cyclical and evolving, real estate transactions for most people are not a particularly common occurance, and that market segment will continually crave the personal touch, even if it's costing them a little more indirectly, that cost is amortized over 30 years--a small price to pay for the peace of mind they gain.

Of course, there are also those who can't wait for the day when they buy a house by clicking and dragging marking I AGREE and typing in the spooky looking characters and numbers, then (of course) leaning forward for the retina scan to ensure it's them on the computer.  They will buy the house, make it though the entire contract to closing process, close on it, and all without ever encountering an actual human.

The greatest part of it all is that there's going to be ample business for agents who are professionals with integrity and expertise.  And those agents will do well with any model, in any market, at any time.

9:11pm • #35

Real estate is a service business.  Successful agents can come from traditional models, virtual office models and just about everything in between. And it also takes strong element of promoting and marketing the service a real estate professional brings to the table.

Know a good plumber? Bet you think they are good because they provide quality service at a fair price. How about a good lawyer? Why are they good? - they serve you well.

The business model of the future is the one that provides great service and successful results!

Kent Davis

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Hey Dave, that is a great insight on working outside the traditional model. Great job sir...

10:51pm • #37
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You have given me several interesting things to think about.  I've been thinking about growing my brokerage and trying to decide how I wanted to go about doing so.

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Before I became a licensee, I went to a big name agency.  The broker in charge was trying to find a good fit for me, and I mentioned a well-known agent -- known all over town.  The broker in charge said, "You'll never see him. He'll take your listing and then you'll never see him again.  His assistants will deal with you."  And that was the truth.  He's hustle was getting sellers to sign on the bottomine, then have his "team" do the rest.  Thankfully, the broker in charge referred me to a very competent, hands-on reachable/accessible agent.  I was a lot happier with her, overall.

 

11:42pm • #39
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Like people... the industry has evolved and will continue to do so. I have noticed though in the last two years those who do not adapt are the very ones who drop out. Survival of the fittest perhaps? Great post.

Aloha, Lana

11:49pm • #40
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Dave...you are right on target...great thoughts. The operative phrase is "doing the opposite of what everyone else is doing". That has been my mantra for the past 3 1/2 years I have been practicing RE. Since what everyone else is doing isn't working, why continue to do what everyone else has been doing and is failing at? If you always did what you've always done, you'll always get what you have always gotten!

12:17am • #42
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Ryan hit on a good point - I think you will start to see a move from the independent contractor to a corporate structure.  It's hard to be completely on your own in the real estate industry and the ones that work together will be successful.

Tina in Virginia

12:26am • #43

Well written and thought provoking.  Thank You.  I actually was compelled to read all the way to the end, which is rare!

12:27am • #44
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Reinvent yourself - every business has to do it sooner or later. I like Jack Welch's method of spending 80% of the time with the top 20% of thier people. I think large brokerages would do well to really work with their top performers to create elite agents rather than letting them reinvent the wheel. Our company has way more training than most, but there is a lot of learning I am doing on my own. And I do think we're near some sort of tipping point.

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what a good read.  brilliantly written.  and so true.  thanks for the perspective and insight. 

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OK it was alot for me to soak in - in one reading.  Will come back and review it again.  But I will say you wrote it well and most points I agree... And yes in most cases it is broke and need fixing.  Great post.

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Great post. I am constantly thinking about this very topic and it helps to see the different view points.

I can't help but be reminded of the current discussion in congress on how we should move forward with our finance world.  The idea of "too big to fail" can be taken to the door step of many big brokerages.  The advantage of large corporate entities can be lost when flexibility and quick-on-the-feet business practices are needed.  Large business breeds bureaucracy at a time consumers are telling us over and over -"Cut to the chase or I will do it myself."

The point of convergence in my mind is where technology meets true professional service.  Where transparency and responsiveness provide satisfaction without fast pitch selling techniques.  There is a knowledge base that experience and/or training can help in making a well-rounded professional.  Technology can help us provide that experience/knowledge faster and easier to the consumer.  Information is not everything.  It takes an interpretation that algorithms can't provide. (At least not yet.) Technology is not a replacement, it is a tool. For the consumer and for us as professionals.

Every industry has mediocrity.  If we each woke up, read the Code of Ethics and set forth each day to live that document to the fullest as well, expect (demand) that from our experiences with each agent we transact with, we might minimize the mediocrity in our own profession.  We don't call the unprofessional acts we witness enough.  We don't report peers enough. We simply hope we never have to transact with "that" agent again. There is always room for improvement for each and everyone of us.  When you are a professional, you recognize that and look for the next step.

We have the ability as professionals to help mold how the real estate industry can best fit the newer request (and historical request of service) from consumers.  The question is how?  Will we come together as real estate professionals and lay the new pavement or will we let outside industries direct our future via technology driven information?  One of the amazing talents of great real estate professionals is their ability to utilize every resource to make a deal happen.  Our industry's future is the biggest deal of our careers.

12:37am • #48
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The more things change, the more they remain the same.  Or, more correctly, "plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose" - Jean-Baptiste Alphonse Karr

If the 80/20 rule prevails, and it usually does, then we certainly shouldn't be doing the opposite of everyone!  20% of the people have something right.  So, what are they doing?!

12:42am • #49

I agree we need to do something different than the guy down the street. We need to stand out and work a little harder than the next guy . I think quality agents are better than quantity .

12:55am • #50

Thought provoking post.  I am firmly in the "cream rises to the top" camp and see the 80/20 or even 90/10 rule in effect in my market.  I also believe the turbulent economy will foster new ideas and business models. which will be good for the industry.  That being said, too many professionals in our industry have tolerated mediocrity or worse for too long.  I believe that the bar should be higher to obtain and retain a real estate license.  It is simply too easy for anyone to get a license.  When fellow Realtors stray from the COE or break the law we should hold them fully accountable.  I know I am probably preaching to the choir here, but I thin this recession and re-set are a perfect time to introduce a highler level of standards and professionalism in our industry.   

12:58am • #51

Great Post.  I think that things definitely should change.  With the advent of the internet the truly motivated and technologically savy realtor can make their own name for themself with out the help of a large name broker.  From my understanding at least one national chain has pulled all their money of tv radio and print and put it on the internet.  

The thing of it is with a good SEO person or the skills and want you can get yourself on google and many of the places people look and you dont have to pay your broker 30k a year or what ever your cap is.

looking forward to change

RJ

1:00am • #52

Interesting post Dave.  I agree with you that the "old" brokerages should die, but I don't necessarily know that they will.  More importantly, the answer is not a "new" kind of brokerage.  It's the brokerage system itself that is the cause of so much mediocraty in the business.  Things won't get a whole lot better until the broker system of employer tax breaks and "independently employed" employees is finally understood to be the meat market that it is.  (And before anyone gets too fired up, I know there are brokers out there that do a bang-up job and who don't use and abuse their agents.  It's the system I 'm referring to and not the people.)

The main issue I have with this post is the lack of alternative.  You say there is a change coming; I wish you'd provide some details on how you see an actual brokerage working in the future.  I mean, besides hiring the best they can find (which is depressing in so much that it actually has to be said) what will the new brokerage look like and why will it succeed?

I've written a few posts on what I think the new model can and should be - I won't gratuitously link them here on your post without your permission - but imagine senior or managing partners (rainmakers), junior partners (working agents in charge of specific areas or niches), associates (listing and showing agents) and staff.  In some ways modeled after the law firm, the new real estate business going forward should focus around the top partners (the one's who bring in all the business) and allow the carefully hired (as you pointed out) to be the associates: trying to earn a place as a partner (and earn a share of the profits).  A firm like this would have a personality and would have acccountability and best of all, it would have a reputation within the community.

That's a (very) brief outline of a "new" way of doing business.  What's yours?

1:04am • #53

This business of ours is always evolving, and there have always been several models. Some work better than others. Some models work better when times are slow, others when the market is hot. The large companies that hire 100's of agents will continue to survive because they are able to spread their cost among, well, 100's of agents. The "botique" stores will have their place as will the low priced, no frills models, aka Help U Sell and Redfish etc. 30 years ago, agents were predicting a quick death to Help U Sell, but they are still alive and well. I think it's funny, but when the fax machine was invented, (yes I was selling Real Estate prior to that), brokers and attorneys were warning that Fax signatures would never hold up in court. Today it's electronic signatures. Many people are suggesting that those that don't keep up with the times are doomed to failure. Well, one needs to keep in mind that those old agents that have been selling Real Estate for a LONG time have built up a referral business. I think the common thread said by almost everyone posting here has been service. Clients don't want to be forgotten or ignored. So whether the agent that took the listing is keeping you up to date or his assistant, may not be that important to everyone.

Just like there are several types of brokerage models, there are 5 billion different personalities in this world. Certainly there is no one size fits all Real Estate Model. So new models will come along and be embraced, but old, familiar models will hang in there for a long time as well.

Don't get me wrong, I am a Computer Expert and I love technology, but there are a LOT of home buyers out there that loath it. Give them someone more like themselves. We all like to work with people like us.

Sucess comes down to service and getting people to like you and trust you. Oh, and knowing what you are doing can't hurt.

1:12am • #54
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Some excellent thoughts.  For sometime now I have believed and it has been proven over and over that some agents just need a place to go each day.  You know, kinda like a legit "office".  We have some in our office that can't  attach a file to an email, know only the basics about using our MLS software and just love to sit at the up desk and talk turkey with the other agents.  I saw a hand written contract pass under my nose a few weeks ago..well it was more like under my nose and dropped jaw!  I hold the brokers responsible for these type agents.  My comment is get them educated or get them out!

1:16am • #55
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After I read this post and all the comments I could feel the smirk on my face.  You could have written this article and all the responses 20 years ago and you will be able to write it again in 20 years.  Real Estate is all about changing and adapting to the market.  It always has been and always will be.  I try not to pigeon hole "experienced agents" as not wanting to adapt.  Ive seen them adapt in more ways that new ones have to at this moment and in 20 years you will be saying, you should have seen it when.....  Lets be kind and helpful to one another, those that work hard will be rewarded and the simple fact is some agents (myself not included) simply do this as a side job or at a lesser rate than others, no problem with that, the cream rises to the top. 

1:33am • #56

now if I understand correctly, since the old model is broken and change is inevitable, and "if you want to be successful, you will have to start doing the opposite of what everyone else is doing", then what you really ought to do is NOT change.  stagnancy = awesome

Ray Cox
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I'm hoping that cream will rise to the top.  I see a lot  of sludge getting to the top as well..Agents and brokers who are more interested in the bottom line and tell people what they want to hear in order to get their foot in the door.   Sad but true.

1:47am • #58
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Personally... I've never met a top agent that made it to the top 10% just because of a Brokerage name Big or Small... It's work ethic, the system, referrals and repeat business...

2:09am • #59

Included in that business model should be HIGH QUALITY professional photography and real estate video production!

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Dave,

I'd like to meet you at RE Bar Camp in Salt Lake on June 5th.

Great post.

2:42am • #61
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Good morning Dave - good discussion.  I have a few thoughts:

- You mentioned the inequality of the customer paying the same fee for both experienced and inexperienced agents and how this isn't fair.  The equalizer is that the newer agent has to work that much harder and be that much more lucky to win the trust of a client and get them to closing.  Whereas the more experienced agent has more repeat and referral business coming to them as Paul McDuell mentioned. 

- I'd say that simple free market economics, or survival of the fittest, rewards the agents, brokerages and business models that provide a service for which people are willing to pay.

- I appreciate Karen Turney's comments about helping others...the agents with the best service rise to the top.  Just this week I had a client decide to work with me as their buyer's agent because they felt my website provided better information and access to the MLS.  Little does that buyer and the other agent know that my website was very inexpensive and can be easily purchased by any agent for a super low cost.  I spend a good deal of time helping the other more seasoned agents in my office learn the new technology so that they can adapt and survive in the future.

- While I agree with Ryan Hartman that many agents and brokerages will need to adopt the roles, capabilities and services mentioned in his post, I disagree that relationship building is out.  I often say that the only thing I sell is trust...that a buyer or seller can trust me to help them meet their real estate goals.  Often I find that I'm best able to build the raport needed to help a client through spending time with the client and building a relationship with them.  This helps me to better understand exactly where the client is coming from and what they need.  It also helps the client to trust my advice when I tell them what they need to do to sell their home for top dollar or that they might need to bring a strong offer when they encounter a multiple offer situation (which I'm seeing every week in our market).

Have a great day and successful weekend everyone!

Chris

3:19am • #62

I like Karen Turner's post.   I read the same thing 5 years ago when I came into real estate.   And I saw the same things the author here sees.   I've heard all the buzzwords, read the books and and lo and behold - no one else changed!

That's the point, and maybe the only point worth making.  I even joined the recruiting mill, AKA Keller Williams, as a Team Leader because any business model that puts God and family first has to be a winner right?   Not if the people in the company aren't winners. 

I can appreciate the author's obvious enthusiasm for the subject, yet I think too many of us get sidetracked into trying to be a certain kind of agent. And I continue to find it offensive when Realtors juxtapose themselves above the rest and make derogatory comments about what they perceive to be the lesser Realtors in their field.   Just be a great Realtor.  As others noted above, hold yourself to the highest standards of professionalism, ethics and integrity.  Study your market daily, keep your education level high, become an impactful professional in your area and reach out to your community. 

Of course change is coming.  Change always comes.  That's why we better get to work.

Dan Tolman
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I've always found it amazing that a brand new agent's fee is the same as the veteran's with years of experience and hundreds of transactions completed.  Perhaps apprentice, associate, partner etc. would relieve some of the consumer's confusion (too many agents claim to be No. 1), and let them choose their agent based on the experience/success of the agent-not the size of the company. 

 It's business and you get what you pay for.  One size does not fit all.

3:59am • #64

As a consumer, I read this post with great interest. I work for a major insurance company, and whether you buy your homeowners policy from me, or from one of the other agents in the office, you'll likely pay the same price. Well, not always. I might be the agent that actually listens to what your true needs are, and provide exactly what you want and need. OR, you may wind up buying from an agent who upsells you on additional coverage. Who's more successful? Who's the best agent?

For the customer, the agent who sells to their needs is probably the best agent. For the brokerage, the agent who successfully upsold is the most valuable. That dichotomy will be difficult to EVER get right.

I see the same thing happening in real estate.

Realtor A is less experienced, but avidly keeps up with changes in the market, is a college graduate, embraces technology, and is used to building relationships electronically (read: internet, email, and text messaging expert.) Knows how to list a home and have it auto-populate to every advertising source on the internet at the click of a button. Has studied SEO ad nauseum, and tries to convince me he's the best agent for the deal. He'll even list my home for 5%.

Gets my property multiple offers after only one week. Hooray for me.

Until it becomes apparent that this person's understanding of negotiating is extremely limited. His knowledge of FHA's requirements is nil (he's never actually transacted one before). The funny thing about it is...I'm supposed to be a savvier consumer because of the internet, yet do a search yourself on FHA Minimum Downpayment Requirements, and out of the 14,000,000 Google results, you'll see that the vast majority of them still show 3%, versus the increase to 3-1/2% that took place at the end of last year. How does THAT make me more savvy? Almost seems like it dumbs me down a bit. For the sake of mankind, I implore you to please keep your information up to date.

Hmm....perhaps I should have chosen the elite agent? The one whose voice message says "I return my phone calls between the hours of 11:00am-Noon....and between 4:00-5:00pm (whoever taught your industry to promote that line should be fired!) The elite agent never negotiates commission and allows me to overprice my home as long as I do it "within reason". The elite agent has nice signs with a flyer box that has remained empty from day one, and has convinced me that newspaper and magazine ads are dinosaurs and don't work (that's funny, that's how I found THIS home). "That was before the internet.", she explains. She's right...I hope.

The elite agent sends me newsletters every other month. The newsletter tells me how to bake cherry pies and what wine goes best with fish. She also gave me a magnetic calendar in case I want to find out what day Oct. 2nd falls on. Her car is nice, and her nails meticulously done. When I finally convince her that I really DO want flyers on the sign, she brings by 15 ink-jetted flyers that look horrible. My 8th grade son can do better. Nonetheless, she came highly recommended.

We get multiple offers. She has never done an FHA either (apparently they haven't been popular in the last 5 years.) She, too, doesn't negotiate well, and instead pushes her reputation down the other agent's throat and somehow comes out the victor. Our appraisal comes in low (remember, she let me reasonably overprice my home?) I guess the appraiser wouldn't let me get away with that?

I can feel myself growing resentful.

The whole ordeal ultimately closes. She brings me a gift basket filled with cheese and champagne...which I sip as I review my final closing statement.

Next time I sell a home, I think I'm gonna go with the 5% techno-kid, unless I can find a four precenter who'll at least bring me champagne at closing.

All industries need to take a deep breath and define what a true professional in their field is. Only then can the model even BEGIN to get fixed.

We, in the insurance field, need to do the same thing. The problem is...it won't stop the other insurance agent in my office from upselling you into something you don't need. And in your industry, it won't stop the young, enthusiastic Realtor from selling his services at a discount, nor will it stop the elite agent from more closings like mine.

How does THAT get fixed??

Call me "Curious in Chicago."

Vicki

Vicki T.
4:49am • #65

Hey Dave,

     Great Article and I believe it 110%. Started my office January 2008 under the exact same philosophy. It is working out well! We took on only one new agent even though we had only specific criteria set aside for hiring (and new wasn't one of them). We saw this person in action with her clients on the mortgage side of a deal and real estate was in her blood as her mom was a realtor her entire life. She is leading our offices in deals so far this year and better yet all of her clients love her because of her committment to them.

    When we created our company the one thing we said we would not do is "Just Hire Licenses" and we haven't nor will we ever. We are truly tryi ng to build a Solid and Talented TEAM of ethical agents who care about their buyers and sellers. We believe the money will follow!

Once again nice piece!

                 Rick Cordisco

Pocono Mountain Lakes Realty
4:58am • #66
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Ha ha ha. What a great comment from Vicki T!! The entire RE industry is getting a good spanking, as well it should. I moved from HI to NC, got my NC RE license, and was told after being in NC 4 months that I could and should work with buyers. Now, how can I be a good buyer's agent when I have lived in NC for 4 months (at that particular time???). I can't. NOT fair to the buyers. I'll tell you what I CAN do with expertise... after 2 years I sure do know who I would, and do, refer buyers to.

And you are right on about old brokerage models vs. new... and QUALITY vs. quantity. Terrific post.

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Yes the models are changing. Unfortunatly the huge money grubbing corporations called real estate companies are slow to get with the program.  They still look for folks who can fog a mirror and as it was once explained to me they need trainees because that is where they make the money.  They take most of the newbies commission and when the agent leaves because they are broke there is always someone willing to step in and become the new rookie and life goes on.

5:23am • #68

Well, we can talk about it or we can do it...

We're doing it!

After 11 years with traditional brokerages, I've joined Redfin and am thrilled to open the New York market.

http://www.redfin.com/about/press/releases/redfin-expands-to-new-york-californias-central-valley

Michael Daly
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I agree with your assessment 100% . .the era of franchises existing just because of agents selling 2-3 homes per year are over. . they will not survive. If you are an agent selling over 12 homes for year and you are surrounded by these non-productive agents in your own company. .you are in the wrong place.

5:50am • #70

It is so ironic to read your comments; we were just discusing this issue yesterday. The fact is that the old model DOES NOT WORK as consumers aregetting so much mediocity and the bar is so low they accept the mediocity as the norm.

I love all your comments...anther change will be the broker model....the reality in today's market (and it has been for some time) is that the broker is no longer the center of the transaction, the agent is and yet all of the decision makers (rule makers, if you will) are the brokers. Generally, mediocity lies with the brokers and their model of doing business.

David McIlvaine
6:05am • #71
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Good Morning,

 

I am a model junky, if there is a model in Real Estate my company has tried it and refined it.  The company now  sounds like a combination of Dave and Ryans views. The beauty is the simplicity. The company makes rain, a ton of it leads pour in the door at little or no cost to the company. The agents (12 of them, half new when they started) take the leads, the company markets the listings...12 agents plus a manager sell 35-40 homes a month. Website traffic is off the charts, no pictures on business cards, no agent ads, It would be shocking to me if a consumer new one of my agents if they had not met with my company before. The brand is the draw.

I also spent 2007 and 2008 building the Law Firm model that CQ Financial discussed. Totally different than what I had done to build my other company. Top agents only, top agent is top 5% of MLS in production and volume, let them buy in to the capital structure, hired Great rising agents as associates and the best admin team in my market. We were the fastest growing company (based on agent mls production and store sales) in one of the hottest markets in the country. Agents were running to my door.

Sounds like a home run.

Not really the partners on very unprofitable splits (85%) were great agents, (I am sorry to them..) but awful business people. Like most good agents (and this is a quality most great sales people in all industries have) they made decisions based on personal gain and self interest first and company second. They would not share buildings with other agents they deemed inferior All wanting to be the leader but none acting like one.

With that said, Curious in Chicago brought up the College educates, SEO hounds that are coming into the business. This model will work with them as, and I am heading in that direction. A direction that brings Ryans thoughts....a Partner for Social Media, A Partner for Client Acquistion, A Listing Partner......

Three things I have not read in this thread that will shape the future in the context you mention here:

Good companies will not recruit, they will attract, interview and hire based on chemistry

Good companies will have a clear and concise consumer value proposition; CONSUMERS DO NOT WANT SERVICE!  THEY WANT AN EXPERIENCE.

Good agents will not matter, good brokers will. Good agents do a lot of business in a very labor intensive, high liability way. Good brokers find ways to scale great systems and processes.

There are many other factors that will contribute to the change, and what we like to call the brokerage of 2011.

I could be wrong.

 

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Dave this really isn't anything that new. What you are really talking about is the RE/MAX model where everyone in business for themselves. The burden is on the agent to produce not on some owner or manager who takes care of all the overhead for the agent. This is exactly why there are more top producers in the RE/MAX system and the average time in the business is 13 years (much higher than any other franchise).

6:10am • #73

Vicki`s posting says it all !

6:27am • #74
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RE/MAX's desk fees used to be a more or less automatic version of natural selection.  You had to be "RED SHIRT LAKOTA" quality to afford it.  Then something changed. I don't think it was a Blue Ocean wave.  They started letting newly licensed agents in on 70/30 splits.  And now, I am not sure what their model really is. But I know this.  If anybody can join the RED SHIRTS then the RED SHIRTS will lose their next war.

6:32am • #75
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Great ideas thanks for the post - going to park with some popcorn now...

6:35am • #76

Dave,

Great post.The market has changed and the ones that can adapt a new model to match that market will be the first to emerge.

James Marks
6:36am • #77

We are already starting to see some changes of the old gaurd here. Some franchises starting to close.

6:39am • #78

Hi Dave,

Great article!  Congratulations to you for changing what you do to improve your business. 

I think when selling  the listing becomes more important then getting the listing,  that's when things change.

Real Estate Agents, what about offering home staging as part of your listing package.  It's a valuable service to offer your clients!  Professional Home Stagers specialize in getting homes ready to sell.  An agent I met at a BNI meeting told me last year was her best year.  The only thing she did different was to STAGE ever listing she had...something to think about. 

Creative Staging, Inc.-atlanta

 

    

 

6:50am • #79

Dave,

   This post has generated a tremendous amount of discussion, in a positive light.  Our Brokerage is changing to a agent owned type.  I agree with many of the points that are being discussed here.  I think we let to many people in to this profession.  Our profession should have stricter educational requirement for entrance. Sort of along the lines of what a person has to do to become a Certified Financial Planner.  Many people enter the profession because of the possibility of earning what is percieved as a large income, and that is where they are truly focused on, vice providing a professional service and guidance.  Maybe we should even propose enternships, and at the end you are voted in.

  Your reference to the Lakota tribe is a solid reference point.  I enjoyed your post and reading the replies.

Scott

 

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9000 agents - 400+ sales!  WOW!  I agree with your observations. 

It's time to change the way we do business to survive in a market that has shifted.  Great article!

6:58am • #81

Well put.  I have been pushing this in my area.  I believe that the strong survive.  As a Broker it is our responsibility to represent our profession as professionals.  We are the ones who know what is happening in the housing market and should be proud to be Realtors and should also be so proud of our agents in our organization.  Leaders Lead.  Our agents expect this and deserve this. 

7:03am • #82

I left RE/MAX after five wonderful years to become a Red Shirt Warrior! I firmly believe that the Keller Williams business model works best in these market conditions, as if it were designed specifically with this market in mind. I wholeheartedly agree with you about "Blue Ocean Strategy" and "Good To Great". I'd also add "The Power of Nice" to the list of *required reading* for a real estate professional. Sound business practices, excellent client service and great working relationships with your colleagues never goes out of style. This has been an interesting and challenging market, not a "bad" one. Those who are committed to their practice and whom have viewed this market as a shift have survived it. Those who are not dedicated to real estate as thier profession who viewed this market as a downturn are, for he most part, no longer in the game.  

Shannon Murray-Corsale
7:16am • #83

Off to get my popcorn!

7:22am • #84

Dave,

Great posting, I used to be with one of those "big and expensive" companies and then I discovered EXIT realty, which is an invitation only company.  We hand select the agents for our brokerages and the management team decides then whether or not to hire that individual, this is how we choose our agents and it works!  If you choose the quality of people that you want in a brokerage, then your firm is sure to succeed.  But if you let anyone join the company, you have nothing but a bunch of warm bodies. 

Shannon Pyatt
7:26am • #85

I'm right there with you.  The real estate brokerage model is very broken and it has been for at least 5 years or longer. I got into  real estate about 6 years and then became a broker/owner 2.5 years ago. I noticed right away the real estate business model was out of date and breaking.  I  do not follow old business model, I do provide a high quality service which is my success. I do hope the big brokderage do come around and want to provide a high service level, but since they are slow to change I'll pick up their lost business.

7:28am • #86

Great Post!

Almost two years ago I left a local real estate establishment that concentrated on numbers; number of agents, number of listings, etc.  What was missing?  Quality agents who actually understood the market and used deceptive agents to accomplish their goals.  Being an honest hard working agent, this left a bad taste in my mouth.  I didn't see anyone rewarded for their knowledge, for their honesty, integrity, or for treating clients or their fellow agents with integrity, disclosure, or honesty.  When it's about the pay check and that's it; it is soon discovered that these types will wear themselves out in the business because of their own reputations that follolw them.

I am now free to be me!

Thank you Re/Max! 

 

Karen Bishop ~ Re/Max North ~ Westernnewyorkhomes.net
7:29am • #87

I recently converted my 11 year old independent firm to a RE/MAX franchise for the very reason stated in Dave's post.  I'm no longer allowing an agent to affiliate with my firm unless they have "skin in the game".  

Marty Jones, CRS, CRB

RE/MAX Summit Properties

Cashiers North Carolina

7:32am • #88

Dave, have you ever heard of eBroker House? www.eBrokerHouse.com just launches about 2 weeks ago and I am on their 30 day free trial. It's an online office system that allows agents and brokers to work from wherever they want with no need to step into the traditional brick and mortar office. An agent can manage his/her entire real estate business here. It really is impressive. An agent's entire team can also use this system at no extra charge.

Also within a month I am told they will have broker mamanement features that allow a broker to use this system to manage his entire office and each agent will have their own separate online office and his/her stats will tie into the brokers dashboard for easy office management.

Some of the highlights of this system are unlimited sub users under an agent, unlimited document storage, unlimited listings, reimbursement tracking, state of the art REO, BPO, and Short sale management, as well as task management, contact management, and reimbursement management. I asked about secuity and they guarantee 100% uptime and 128 bit ssl encryption security for my info. In addition to the broker features they are also adding what sounds like great buyer management features within the next couple weeks.

The site is live now, but they are continuing to add great features. Thats the one thing I am liking a lot. I have called several times with suggestions and the features I requested were added within a few days. If a user suggests features they are doing their best to add most everything that is desired. That to me is what makes this sytem stand out. The creator, Thomas Moore, actually answers the phone when you call and he is catering this system to us, the agents and brokers.

I think this plays a lot into the "new brokerage model" you mentioned. This will allow brokers and agents to work much more efficiently, smarter, and more streamlined while cutting traditional office costs by a huge amount. Agents and brokers will be able to work and access their office and employees from anywhere they have an Internet connection....even on their cell phones.

I honestly see this system as being the next major business model for  the real estate office. I have also read the E-Myth and this model plays right into thay. You can "oversee" every aspect of your office in one location (working on the business) and have all of your agents or team members working in the business.  

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Dave - quality not quantity is the solution to the 'problem'. Nothing new, right? but why the numbers game is winning instead of the common sense and a little bit of logic? Our industry is 'bastardized' by our leadership where 'the union dues' are most important not the industry's health, professionalism and value....It is time for change...ESPECIALLY AT THE TOP!

Trying to become a Red Shirt Warrior at Keller Williams....

With smiles,

Bo

7:47am • #90

I am torn on this issue.

A very well known brokerage in my area offers a transaction fee vs. traditional commission split.  I interviewed with them even though they have over 2000 agents already- why?  I interviewed because I want to put more money in my pocket per transaction.  If I feel this way as an agent, how can we ignore the fact that consumers do not want to pay 6% of their equity to sell a house.  Many do not even have that kind of equity anymore.  Should they have to come out of pocket to sell their house?  I think consumers will always look at the competitiveness of price as well as quality. 

Why can't they have both?

I agree a new model is badly needed. Joe Customer can't tell any difference between one agent from the other. Designations are meaningless to them. How do they know who to choose? Stats show whoever gets to them first is usually the one they use.

As far as a small niche "invite only" brokerage..what will prevent this from being a club who only "invite" who they prefer to work with?  Unless the invite is based on skills & experience- like a real world job interview, not a club.   Then you have to make sure the general public understands what makes that model different. I am doubting that alone will ever overcome price completely.

I am excited to see post like this.  When I see someone post a new model that meets all the consumers needs- I will jump on board!  I have no doubt the next great model come come from a group such as this community.

Gina Figueroa
7:48am • #91

Come on Vicki T "Curious n Chicago" sign your name.............

Kathryn Hoffman
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The MLS and the commission structure that keeps it alive is a big part of the problem - it forces agents to work on commission as opposed to getting a retainer or charging by the hour. 

The other big part of the problem is the agents working for a broker - the broker is on top of the pyramid and has to get his portion of the split and then pass a portion of that along to the corporate or franchise above if there is one. 

Lastly it is too easy for anyone to get a license and start "selling" real estate.  Plenty of people are a full-time whatever and have a real estate license that they use once or twice a year.

7:56am • #93

 

Utah Dave,

The most important criteria for consumers selecting agents in Utah is their religion. Mormons only work with Mormons, that will never change. What matters most to the potential client is geographical boundaries called "wards." Successful agents are agents that prospect their "ward."

I think you should mention that.

Also, correct your grammar:

from:

430 home sells in January 430 home sells in January

to 430 home sales

 

R.

R. Benson
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Dave,

I'm not a realtor but I'd be willing to bet that the majority of people reading this blog are already well on their way to becoming red shirt warriors: they're online looking to learn new things (even though some think they know it all), they've tapped into the power of the internet, they know their buyers use the internet, and I'll bet that if you were to compare the number of MLS listings with photos to those without photos, AR members would have a disproportionately high number of photos.

And the really smart ones make good use of other people in the industry, like me, who make you look good AND make your life easier!

 

*****

Lori Salzman is owner of Room To Improve, Certified Senior Move Management and Home Staging for Greater Boston. Room To Improve is licensed, insured, and a proud member of the Better Business Bureau.

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LOL to MR. R. Benson! ...

With smiles,

Bo

8:11am • #96
Dave As a 25 year sales person, I have been waiting for this time we are in. It is great to see some the hobbyist leave the business. Great article! Kevin Duffy ReMax Cincinnati Kevin@kevinduffy.com
Kevin Duffy
8:24am • #97

Greaaaaaat Post. thank you!

8:27am • #98

Very interesting post and comment thread, I am currently looking to expand a similar "hybrid" model into the Seattle Market and we are discussing if there is a market for this expansion or if the quality agents we are looking for are in a holding pattern and unwilling to rock the boat (change offices).

"Skin in the game" is a tough situation.  If you allow skin in the game from the beginning you also make it difficult to dismiss bad apples in terms of company culture.  A trait often difficult to ferret out in the interview process, sometimes you just need to see how people operate together.  Some great agents just don't play well with others and ultimately adversely affect company culture.  I think a quality over quanity model with a bias toward office synergy is a more viable and empowering focus.

-Woody

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AMEN!!

Dave, What a great Blog to start my day with. I am so inspired when I know that there are other agents out there who are doing the right thing. Whenever I tell a someone I'm a "Dream Maker" or "Option Creator" They smile and with a puzzled look ask what exactly do I do, when I tell them I am a Realtor their demeanor changes and all of a sudden they feel sorry for me. 

I LOVE THIS MARKET!!! How lucky are we to be making money, paying our bills and helping out our clients buy or sell their home? I LOVE the fact that only the strong will survive and the weak are being forced to find other means of income. I LOVE that these market conditions are making me stronger as a Realtor and a person!

8:33am • #100
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Very well written post. I'm seeing a lot of changes locally in the brokerage model with a focus more on customer satisfaction and loyalty rather than recruiting.

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This is the first post I have read today and maybe the only one.  I enjoyed the comment thread.

Vicki, your comment was the best one.

R. Benson, you make a valid point.  Many do use the church as a prospecting tool and it very effective.  I have often joked with my wife I need to included that in marketing and start attending church.  However, I haven't and won't......I don't agree with that.

I'm going to leave it here.....or I will be writing all day and have appointments....

Thank Dave, very though provoking....

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Vicki ~ your comment was of great interest to me as a broker and educator. There is a happy medium between the two examples you cited and you don't have to settle. It just takes a good pre-interview of the broker to find out . . .

I am practically joined at the hip to my favorite loan pros. :) Guidelines are constantly changing.

Ryan ~ I am having my main site retooled as I write this and THANK YOU so much for that info which just got shot over to my web dude.

Dave ~ thank you for confirming/validating what I always have known and practiced. :)

Vanessa ~ I like 'consigliore' but that usually scares people who have seen Sopranos/Godfather hahahaha

Candice

8:55am • #103

Dave,

I told my broker last year that this is the type of market that I love. I can truly be a Realtor again not just an order taken. My skill can be utilized and appreciated by my clients.  I agree that many offices in my area are just looking to recruit agents to create large offices but with no thought about the agents skill & abilities to produce in this market.  I am very hopeful that this market will make buyers and sellers realize that there is a different in agents. I know that I can feel the different in the consumers attitudes about a Realtor.  

Valerie Belardo
9:01am • #104

I'm curious why many in our industry believe selling a  lot of real estate means you're giving great customer service. I have known many top producers who don't. At Tomie Raines, Inc. every client is surveyed after their transaction by an indepenent reaserch company and our results are posted online. All agents are Quality Service Certified and the company has a 96.2% customer satisfaction rating. We take listening to the customer seriously and whether an agent sells five houses in a year or a hundred we expect the same level of service and we measure it. Accountability is the key.

Lane Barnett
9:06am • #105

The real estate model needs to change from seller-focused to buyer-focused. All the other changes will just be cosmetic.

9:17am • #106

The KW business model works. A team or group can be very successful under the KW model. We experience it to a very high level here in Texas. The synergy and interdependence leads many converts to higher and higher levels of success. And it's in the numbers. KW became the #3 brokerage in '08 in agent count, surpassing Re/max, which lost agents. Approx. 25% (I think) of mega-agents who join KW come from Re/max.

9:21am • #107

Sounds good, but Realty World, Re/Max and other so called 100% agencies started with this premise. Unfortunately, the Principal Brokers soon found that the only way way they could make more money was to have more agents paying desk fees. This led them to recruit and accept mediocre or non-productive agents and put them on traditional splits effectively ending the aura of superiority.

I think the only solution for the dilemna you addressed is to raise the standards for licensing and continuing education and to require some type of mimimum annual performance that would weed out the part timers and the non-producers. Our barriers are way too low for the amount of responsibility required in our business.

Jim Kouns
9:23am • #108

Excellent post.  Since the day we opened our company nine years ago, we have grown with the philosophy you espouse--quality will differentiate itself.  Unfortunately, while we have grown in market share, we are taking on fewer and fewer agents.  While that keeps my job as broker easier because the agents are performing with care for clients and customers and getting repeat business, my challenge is--where to find the new warriors?  So few people are making any money in Central Florida that our warrior (recruit) list has shrunk from more than 300 who could fill the shoes to about 30.  While I reintensify efforts to get those 30 (who would then dominate the market) I worry that some of the least qualified brokers and companies are actually increasing market share as well, because they give all and charge nothing.  Economic reality would say some of those companies will go out of business because of a lawsuit against an incompetent agent or because you can't give no service and high splits with low producing agents for too long before filing Chapter 7.  So, I keep shifting to provide even more service.  But in the meantime, it is pretty expensive to do so.  Thoughts?

Gary Balanoff
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Not sure we will see the old methods change quickly but we are already seeing the number of agents drop. Some companies are folding, some are joining forces, new companies spring up and die every day. New businees models are tried every year, some succeed, some don't. Change is constant, whether that change is going to be for the better is hard to say.

I have heard my state is working to raise the bar for becoming an agent and for remaining an agent. I wish as an industry we would take the bull by the horns and already have done this ourselves. If that means every association has to raise dues to pay for the drop in membership due to the dirty or incompetent or falling membership, wouldn't it be better in the long run?

Survival of the fittest. Thinning of the herd. Cream of the crop. Call it what you will. It is happening today.

9:23am • #110

Well there was a least one Keller Williams Realtor posting, If you think big is the issue you missed the boat. As a matter of fact maybe you have never been to the dock. All large Real Estate organization are not created equally. Keller Williams Realty moved to the number 3 spot. That is based on agent count. We own market share in many markets. Gary Keller told us at Mega agent camp in 2005, to hang on for the ride, commit more and spend less. He had already written and published a book called "Shift" long before most brokerages had figured out what was going on.  The book, a training program designed around the shift  and leadership dedicated to the success of every agent and every market center, are some reasons  for Keller Williams success and growth in a down market.

Sound business models and people models are what it takes to grow a strong Real Estate Company. Oh and then that other thing... this applies to Mom and Pop companies and those at Realogy experiencing sleepless nights. At Keller Williams we are business people in the Real Estate Industry. KWRI is DEBT FREE... did you hear that DEBT FREE... Our Market Centers are DEBT FREE...  

Many brokerages are wrecklessly, unprepared to  LEAD their tribes in this market. The Remax model is only as good as the business person that owns it and worked great in a boom when the owners were making lots of money.

Now a final point to those remarks about recruiting and training... Mom and Pop you recruit otherwise you are a solo act...second Mom and Pop you don't have the resources to compete with the training that large companies offer. There is a mythunderstanding to the Broker that thought that One broker, could not train 150 agents...That is not how it works at Keller Williams those agents are trained  via extensive web based courses, locally in house training conducted by Brokers, top agents, and Higher level leadership, at a Regional level and at a National level. KW agent AND leadership training is another cornerstone of our models and culture.  Mom and pops have a huge job in just keeping themselves cutting edge, never mind the expense.  A  final point Superstars want to surrounded by Superstars... and Retention is the name of the game. So good luck keeping a Superstar agent without state of the art technology, training and a culture that supports success to all. And better luck required to afford it .

So much personal opinion with little or no foundation is written today and stands to influence. KUDOS to those that sat back with their popcorn... I hope I made my point Big done right does not equal mediocrity.  I love knowing that at every level in KW high standards and accountability are a driving force.

Debby Crawford
9:26am • #111

interesting. yes,  i think there will always be mediocrity so pay no attention to it. haha. i prefer to focus on what works at a higher level, not exclusively to generate the most funds but to offer the very best service (which should then result in more funds...). i work as a solo agent and am seeking a way to co-op business where i could be engaged only in those parts of the whoel transaction that i truly exel in and where others invloved in this co-op would be doing the same and our synergy would create an excellent experience for the client. not a traditional team.

i like the idea that a brokerage that goes for only those worthy of the bow & arrow will earn a commesurate share of the market and gain a good reputation. makes sense. and that it would naturally attract those who would fit that model. consider the 80/20 rule here, too. that model will most likely never exceed 20% of the total brokerages out here. haha. and that's quite alright. they don't need to.

what is the deal with agents who sell 2-3 houses a year? i had this conversation recently and was told that that is how the brokerage makes their bread & butter money. go figure.

maria rossoto
9:26am • #112

I think you read my mind. I was a broker with Century's past franchise and as this new and challenging market became apparent it also became apparent to me what we were missing. I actually inherited what I called "the coffee drinkers" but in my heart and soul I wanted the "red shirts." My aspirations for the company just weren't being met and I was putting heart and soul into motivating these people desperately trying to get them to perform to their true potential. I fI heard "I need to get a real job" one more time I was going to lose my mind - I felt that was so disrepecting to the company but also to the agents themselves. When our franchise agreement came up for renewal I was so torn. Renew and stay with the mediocrity (the perfect description) or move forward, take the chance, reach for something higher, be the great office I wanted to be. I made the move - I went a total opposite direction to the number one company in the country. I bought a RE/MAX franchise.  Yes there was some much needed house cleaning involved and it hurt in so many ways but I knew that these were growing pains that I had to endure and we went from a roster of about 35 to 10. However, I have committed professionals and the office just hums with enthusiasm, energy and a different outlook without "the coffee drinkers." I laugh now when I see those recruitment emails that say "we have 120 agents" because I'm thinking you have about 15 producers and the rest are just dead weight, that's nothing to brag about. Now I promote our office as quality over quantity and it's awesome. I actually work with the agents I have one on one and recruitment takes a back seat. The old 80/20 rule does still exist in some offices but I think the brokerage models should change to quality over quantity. In Georgia our CE requirements are 24 hours over a 4 year period - that's pitiful. If we had a higher threshold we wouldn't have so many "coffee drinkers." Great article - we are definitely on the same page.

9:30am • #113

My firm is all about quality of agents, not just a pulse!. I hear ya!

 

"Commander" Chris Barnett

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9:31am • #114

Great post Dave! You are so right, but you're preaching to the choir!

The industry really needs to raise the bar but as long as companies can bring people in without having to pay them, the change will be slow. It's the only industry where most states have no minimum requirements for licensing other than taking a course, no standards or rules about Broker/Agent relationships - it's considered contract law and no one wants to hear about it; and practices vary greatly from state to state making even more confusing to the consumer.

The one good thing about the current market is with more agents leaving the business and fewer agents coming in thinking they're going to make easy money, those of us who take it seriously have an opportunity to make things better!

9:34am • #116

I think you're right, but expect Brokerages to resist change as long as possible.  The numbers game is too easy for them.

Ed Bailey
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Great post!  I really love my brokerage and out 100% commission incentive, but I have to agree that the smaller brokerages or smaller teams within a large brokerage tend to sell more homes per agent.

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Shh... dont tell everyone! I was hoping to keep this secret between you and I... ;-)

It is true, in my opinion, that this aspect of the industry will be changing, along with others, such as an increase in buyer agents, changes in how payments are made at closing, so that the buyer agent is not held captive to the listing broker paying them, etc.

Great post. Great times to live in for the smart few. Opportunity is presenting itself... who will advantage from it?

9:42am • #119

Great points. Thanks for the insight. You are right, we all have to change and adapt.

Greg
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Thank you Dave.  The bigger the brokerage the harder the "shift".  Independant Brokerages are emerging with some very fresh business models, ours being one of them.  I started with a small group of agents (6) and have scaled back to 4 with a personal team of 4 to total 8.  This allows me to give our clients what they need and want in this quickly changing market.  Our most successful agents are new and coming from other industries-no "unlearning".  I will invite an agent who I see has what it takes, but I am not actively recruiting which confuses other Brokers regularly. 

You are correct in stating that the industry has been accepting mediocrity and this is thanks to the old business model.  As many have commented, the cream is rising to the top and those who were just in it for the money are gone.

 

9:49am • #121
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Dave - GREAT, GREAT, GREAT post!! I would love to re-blog this and share with my agents. Very well thought out post!

9:50am • #122

Dave, fantastic post and as it just so happens I've made a change within the past week myself and did my own short post about it. I have now joined one of the leading (if not the leading) internet based Real Estate Agencies in my area.

9:59am • #123

Great Post - I couldn't agree with you more - I have been in the industry for 22+ years, owned large office with many agents (most incompetent agents!) and now have a small agency with one dynamic agent that does the work of 10!   I will not accept mediocrity any more and am glad to see our industry changing - too many agencies feel if there is a pulse then they are in!  Thank you for your insight and I will look forward to more of your post

10:01am • #124

The problem with just having mega-agents is that at least in my area, the mega-agents are getting close to 100% splits and get "signing bonuses". So you need the middle of the road people to bring the money into the firm. The mega agents can demand the split anywhere because they have the listing signs up that bring in the advertising so the middle people can pick up the scraps that the megas don't get.

So, an office can't run on mega agents alone.

And until the licensing requirements get much tougher, the majority of agents in the business will be crappy.

Why is it so easy to become a Realtor?  Because the states love the money from the fees.

Andrew

10:01am • #125

I find it hard to believe that with a such a great post to start with and almost 100 comments that no one tapped into the fact hiring the "elite" based on their "top5%" status does not imply they are a good realtor. Sure, it works well with Warriors!

Many top Agents are too focussed on volume - they would sell you a house you don't want because you are just another transaction to them. They try to "sell you" each home instead of trying to find out what is important to you and reminding you that there may be better opportunities out there.

I completely agree that mass recruiting with MLM schemes that stimulate recruiting is not a good a business model. Agents focus on residual income and forget about what it takes to be a good Realtor. You end up with 1,000s of under achievers trying to get rich off of residual income but no one's doing real estate - too busy recruiting.

If you want to recruit top Agents, the ones that will continue to excel - ask them how many of their past clients in the last year would wave them down in a Grocery to say Hi. Ask them if they know the names of every family they helped in the last year - they should be able to give you 26 names off the top of their head. Ask them how many clients referred them to someone else - you are a top Agent if you consistently get phone calls from past clients who want you to help their friend because of a relationship that you've built.

A good Real Estate Consultant cares about their clients, they care about a lifelong relationship, they get referrals because the are referrable!

Model like a Law Firm? I don't think so. Real Estate is about being an expert in the entire transaction. Marketing aside, transactions are complicated and our customers need to know that there is one person in charge to guide them through the process, negotiate on their behalf, provide education, and coordinate every detail of the transaction. Split these duties up and you are doomed for failure - no one knows the client - no one cares about what the client cares about!

Vicki - you may have missed the point. . . I return my calls "between 11-12 and between 4-5". It changes every day and it allows me to dedicate uninterrupted time serving my clients needs. If I am showing you a home and you ask about the water stain on the ceiling as my phone rings, the caller will know that I am showing homes and that I will call them back. I suppose if I were concerned that might be a new hot lead I could take the call and ignore your concern about water stain.  As to the gift basket - it doesn't work if your real estate expectations were not exceeded. Real Estate first, gift basket second, then a thank you. If it wasn't a generic gift basket but someting with some thought about you and your family, good. If not, your Realtor missed the point.

One last point, a new Agnet charging the same fees as an experienced agent is wrong because of the existing business model and its associated failures. The idea is that the Broker is getting a larger split and is responsible to ensure that every customer gets the same experience-through systems and guidance. The new Agent is paying the Broker for support to ensure the customer is taken care of. It is sad that this ideal is not reality - especially in large companies. Small boutique shops can accomplish this when the Broker cares about helping others achieve their dreams more than she or he cares about their income generated.

Norm Robert, US Capital Realty

Sacramento CA

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Great post! Well written and well thought out!

10:06am • #127

Phenomenal article Utah Dave!  Kudos to you for your thorough research, cutting-edge thinking, and bravado for stepping out amidst status quo. 

I'm in agreement 100% with your new business model and predictions.  We are seeing this same phenomenon take place within our niche of the market (REO).  Our company's focus on an increase in quality and quantity while matching the needs of the consumers is quickly proving to be the right choice.

Keep up the great work, God bless, and keep posting!

Dan Waterman

CEO

NFSTI

10:11am • #128

I think that we can agree that the one constant is change.  Our industry is constantly going to be coming out with new models of business, some of which will succeed, some of which will fail or need to be reworked.  I think that some big brokers are out of touch and will have problems down the road, but I think that others (mine included) will be successful for years to come. 

What I have enjoyed about being an agent in my company is that I don't compete with the managers and owners for listings, I have a full-time director of education, listing coordinator, closing coordinator, sign guy, etc.  My company actually answers the phone in the evening and on the weekends (vs. much of our competition).  We are currently in the middle of revamping our website at a cost of $100k+, even though we are already by far the best and most visited local real estate site.  The owners and managers are regularly looking at ways to improve our company and give the best customer service possible.  They look at alternative business models to see if anything needs to be tweaked.  For me personally, I'm willing to give up a little more of my split to have these features. 

As far as only hiring experienced or the best of the best, in theory that's okay, but sometimes in reality you end up missing out on a great new superstar.  One agent in our office has been in the business for 3 years, and for the last 2 has been a top 20 agent (out of ~300).  While some of those agents will end up switching companies, many will choose to stay with the broker that gave them their chance in the first place.  This dicussion is great to have, and will continue on for many years.  Also, some of the experienced, higher producing agents can be real jerks (I had a veteran agent question me on my very first transaction- "I've never had anyone question me like this in over 20 years!"- I guess I shouldn't have pointed out missing items on the purchse agreement or expected her to actually read the property disclosures...).

Some of my ramblings for now, let the discussion continue!

10:11am • #129

Great post - much wisdom in what you say.

Linda Audrain
10:13am • #130

Hi Dave,

A very thought provoking article.  I will agree with most of your comments regarding change in our profession.  Personally, I have over 30 years experience in customer relations type business and have been in Real Estate for 5 years.  It's not always the larger francise companies agents that gets the job done.  It's the individual "Realtor" who actually has an understanding of what true customer service represents who will continue to succeed in this business.  Add to that the continued updated technology that works for your business, education and you'll be a winner.

Regarding training and education requirements.  I would grade our profession a " D ".  I'm not saying all fit into this grading system, but let's face it, in any business if you fall short on taking the time to train, you not only hurt your business but have a frustrated individual.  Education requirements should also be raised not only to become licensed, but for re-licensure.   Knowledge is Power.

Vick T.  I agree, all businessess looks at the bottom line. " MONEY ".  Now, call me old fashion, but I'd rather have a steady stream of business from past client referrals than a quick buck today and nothing coming in tomorrow.   Sorry you had to go through what you did when you sold your home.  Communication is key.

Just my opinion :)

 

Marianne Robinson Assoc. Broker / GRI / e-Pro Coleman Company
10:13am • #131

Should the first tipping point be to make it harder to get a license or even harder to get a brokers license?  In Texas you just have to have your license active for 2 years and meet the education requirements to sit for your brokers license... You don't have to sell anything during that time period. What is wrong with that picture.

 

That means I could work a job for 2 years will my license is active and take the necessary classes to be eligible to take the brokers test.  Once I pass that then I can open my own brokerage and recruit agents and lead them and make buyers and sellers believe that I am some big wig because I have the education and "time experience" to get my brokers license...If we make the entry harder you will weed out a lot of people wanting to get in... if you make a requirement that you need to sell X amount and take so many hours of education classes to sit for the brokers license that will weed out even more.

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I work under the business model that I am my own business and I provide the service to my clients, not the brokerage.  I work under an umbrella franchise called RE/MAX.  I don't care about recruitment and do not want to worry about that at all that's another reason where RE/MAX is great.

How does one know if you are mediocre?

You've been smoking peyote with the Red Shirt Warriors guy!

10:34am • #133

What has taken you folks so long....LOL. Good article Dave.

100% Commission. Online transaction management. Quality service.

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gene
10:34am • #134

Dave, I disagree 100%. Statistics don't support your proposition. While we all would prefer that your prediction did indeed evolve it's doubtful we'll ever see it happen. Nationally, 80% of all agents are mediocre or worse (mostly worse). If you get rid of these hundreds of thousands of mediocre players where does that leave the industry? Pretty unpopulated. If that happened those of us left would be making a fortune with so few agents dividing so many transactions. Sales is a numbers game and since that is the business we are in (sales) the wise players will always play the numbers. It's easy enough to cherry pick rare stats to support a case but it's an unwise formula to be applied to an entire industry. The world will always be populated by mediocrety and our industry won't be an exception. While it all sounds fine and dandy we'll never see it to actuality. Who's going to pass on a new licensee who just might be the next star? Who's going to fire an agent that puts $10,000 into the company cofers? Greed dictates that will never happen. Perhaps there may be a rare exception but rare exceptions don't make a trend. When playing the numbers game, size does matter and I speak from experience with 138 agents on our roster. Unless you're on a constant recruiting campaign attrition will ultimately see your doors closed as we are seeing during this downturn. With enough agents, mediocre or not, the vastness of raw numbers will see you through. In the Atlanta market (a huge market) no one is trying to hire fewer agents but to the contrary are recruiting to beat the band. In the final analysis that is the road to success. Most who have failed at the task of recruiting has closed or are in the process of closing. If your agency is the rare exception then my hat's off to you but the better part of wisdom is to point your compass toward the usual and probable and not the rare exception.

Don Bush

10:38am • #135

Excellent!!! 

I wish my office would take this approach and only take qualified persons.  The reputation is taking a real hit because of the hiring practice of:  "If You Have a Pulse and a License, You Can Work Here."

Dave Sordelet
10:39am • #136

The economy needs lots of agents, the more, the better.
Consider the money generated for the state in issuing licenses; the textbooks,colleges, the instructors,etc.etc.
Consider the tax revenue associated with commissions generated. The more this money is spread out among a greater number of agents (tax payers) the better.
Real estate is alot like the game of golf. There are the Tiger Woods and then there is me. Everyone should be able to enjoy the game at there own level. Why are we trying so hard to get people to quit.

Dean Uhing
Prudential Ambassdor Real Estate
Omaha, NE

Dean Uhing
10:39am • #137

I loved the post but disagree with one aspect.  And that is that laws will not be passed to improve the quality of agents across the board. 

I firmly believe that we should be working harder to raise the bar of agents in every state across the country.  Many real estate related industry's require an apprenticeship period before they are allowed to service clients independently. 

I feel that is a model that should be transferred over to the real estate sales industry. 

When I was taking my required hours of training to pass my real estate exam I will never forget what my teacher said when another student who spoke up, on their worries of not passing the test.  The teacher said "Do not worry!  Think of the dumbest Realtor out there and remember he or she passed the test some how?"  As she said that jokingly with a smile on her face I thought for a moment how horrible that statement truly is. 

In my opinion real estate sales persons should go through an apprenticeship period before they can just waltz on in to a family's home and transact business with the biggest asset of that family's life.

I know allot of you out their  will disagree with me, but I feel it is something that should be addressed..  RAISE THE BAR!!!!

Ryan Cunningham Century 21 Advantage Columbia, MO
10:46am • #138

Dave,

Great Post!  You have generated a lot of comments and interest.  I am a real estate outsider (I have been in real estate for 6 years)  It completely amazes me the lack of business knowledge and understanding that most agents have.  If you gave most agents $20 they couldn't buy a clue about the business side of real estate yet it has a major impact on their chosen profession and life.  This fraud has been propagated by companies and brokers who are just looking out for their self interest (read financial).  As many of us know, most of the large firm business models are based upon a churm and burn model.  The only thing that may cause this to change is a decrease in the number of newbies who are getting their real estate license.  Educational requirements to sell real estate should include 'real world' courses on what it takes from a business perspective to be an agent.  If a realistic picture was created for new agents as to what it will really take from a financial as well as a knowledge perspective to be successful in this projession I don't believe that as many lemmings would be leaping off of the cliff in search of easy money.  Until the truth be told to the tribe is told as to what it takes to be a warrior, then everyone will feel that they are warriors when in realty they are just feeding the beast.

John Graham - Dickson Realty - Reno, NV.

John Graham
10:49am • #139
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Should the first tipping point be to make it harder to get a license or even harder to get a brokers license?  In Texas you just have to have your license active for 2 years and meet the education requirements to sit for your brokers license... You don't have to sell anything during that time period. What is wrong with that picture.

 

That means I could work a job for 2 years will my license is active and take the necessary classes to be eligible to take the brokers test.  Once I pass that then I can open my own brokerage and recruit agents and lead them and make buyers and sellers believe that I am some big wig because I have the education and "time experience" to get my brokers license...If we make the entry harder you will weed out a lot of people wanting to get in... if you make a requirement that you need to sell X amount and take so many hours of education classes to sit for the brokers license that will weed out even more.

10:50am • #140

Nicely worded and insightful post. This man obviously has thought deeply about his choosen profession.  My daughter just passed her state exam to be a hair dresser.  She needed 1600 hours of documented classroom education to qualify to take the 8 hour proctured exam.  When I took my real estate brokers license I needed 40 hours of questionable classroom training and took a 100 question multiple choice exam.  When you compare the requirements for performing a 12 dollar haircut to a lifetime investment there is an obvious lowering of the bar for real estate agents.  When you have 9,000 agents competiing for 350 transactions there is an obvious sickness in the industry.

As with the red shirt indians, the agents should be required to pass college level prepartory classes with a designation equal to a CPA in order to handle a persons most valuable asset.  This will never happen due to the enormous amount of profits involved.  But it would create a more equal playing field for the agents.

Brad Deal

20/20 Home Inspections

Brad Deal
10:55am • #141

Dave, you are right on the money. (pun intended!)

Virtual offices can offer more tools, less over head and attract the working agents.  The Prudential office in our town already sold out; and a couple more big boys look like they are hitting the road at the end of the year.

Thank goodness I had the foresight to see the handwriting on the wall; and found a new brokerage with a new model...that will be around for the long haul.  We actually are growing at a rapid rate...a sign of things to come for the brick and mortar. 

Who I really admire are the long time agents who have never been virtual, taking the time and getting up to speed.  It can be a learning curve; but they are putting in the time...and then being amazed at how easy it really is...and how effective.

Thanks for your great post!

ALSO, I agree with Brad; Over 100 years ago, there were only 3 national code of ethics. Doctors, Lawyers and Realtors.  I believe we fell from that level of respect (no jokes about respecting Lawyers!) due to the lack of education required to enter our field. 

 

 

11:12am • #142

Utah Dave,

Thank you for your insights.  We are structured a bit differently than most Real Estate brokerages in that we have 12 brokers who are all equal partners.  Sometimes we struggle with being a "branded company--Bozeman Broker Group" or a "company brands--12 separate entities.  The good news is the local real estate market in SW Montana seems to be on the rebound.

Larry Wilcox

406-556-4543

Larry Wilcox
11:14am • #143
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I think that the Brick and Mortar firms are going to be the ones in trouble.  I am not one of the top 10%, yet, but I am probably in the top 20-25%.  I am working my way up.  I spent 3 years working at Brick and Mortar firms and got very little training or help.  I realized after a few months the first firm I went to was teaching me little and were more interested in my contacts I had built over the years in another business.  I now work at 100% commission firm.  Things are not perfect, but I get at least as much training if not more than I did at the Brick and Mortar firms, and I am becoming a better agent all the time.

11:14am • #144
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Thank you so much.  I ordered the book.  I am really looking forward to reading it and I sure like your blog.

11:24am • #145

Dave: thanks for creating sure a storm!  for the past 30 years I've watched and shared the wonderful and exciting changes in real estate. Half the time in California and half in the State of Washington.

What I know is: Cycles - What goes around comes around. What hasn't changed? The public has and always will make house decissions based on 'feelings' - I'm always slightly surprised to find that the Realtor people chose is chosen NOT based on 'abiltiy' or expertise. This certainly keeps any broker on there toes when building their office and creating the message to send to the public. 

There is an old axiom 'in any year there is 1/3 of the current agents going out of the business and 1/3 of the agents coming into the business'. Now that I've been around this long I can tell you that truly is a fact. Those of us who have been around a while have shared the discover of hundreds of new agents, the frustration of those who couldn't find the 'key' to success. And the on going quest for brokers to find the 1/3 that survive and be sure we help them to thrive.

Please don't be put off by the sincere joy I take in being a member, again, of a 'family' business. People first. Do the right thing. Win - win. I have been with Prudential, RE/MAX and now Keller Williams. Each move was up the business ladder. There is not a doubt in my mind, one the most important tools agents have today is the Internet. But STOP. Human-beings will always be touchy feely. Houses will be their 'homes'. Don't get so caught up in the tech stuff that you lose sight of the human touch, on every level; owner, broker agent and clients.

It may simply be that someone with my skills and background in coaching, training, education is a natural KW fit. I'm sure that's accurate. I think it works because like Debby Crawford said - we are a large company with focused support to individuals. And that is what I believe agents want; special focus on their needs and help building their skills.

The brokers biggest challenge is attracting and keeping the best qualified people. We all know companies that have huge numbers of agents who just do average business. Will that change? Not as long as the company is profitable. As a past manager of a branch of Rodeo Realty - surely the 'boutique' company will attract 'Red Shirts' and that is expected. Everyone likes to 'hang' with 'like' people. We as an industry need to stop marketing ourselves as the 'get rich' business, 'make millions', 'be a millionaire' and start focusing on 'we are experts who can help you achieve your housing goals' - people helping people business, which is just what we really do. Yes, some (10%) will become rich selling real estate, however, there are a whole lot more people who've become rich by owning real estate - even in this challenging market.

Do the 'opposite'? If the 'opposite' is to take a sincere interest in each and every agent you hire, set honest expectations right upfront, willingsness to give of your time and energy, offer an open concept to profits, and to be accountable yourself. I'm all for it.

Shirl Aronson - KW Olympia WA

Shirl Aronson, Broker Keller Williams
11:32am • #146
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Hi Dave~ Good to see you in here again.  I guess you have been in here, but I just missed your blogs somehow.  Anyway, I think it is funny that so many  comments are touting the actual company they work for.  It does NOT matter what franchise you work  for, what really matters is that you are the best agent you can possibly be!   I don't really think that the big name brand impresses most consumers.  The consumers are impressed by the agent that provides the best service possible and that the agent really cares about the client.  It doesn't matter if you work for Remax or Keller Williams!  Clients just want to be treated like they are the most important person in the world and that the agent truly is putting their best interests first and that the agent is knowledgeable!  Also- If agents would go ahead and get their Broker's license, they could truly work for themselves if they so choose, and not HAVE to work for a "Firm."

11:33am • #147

Utah Dave,

You make some great points in your post, but I believe you missed the single most important criteria for success of the NEW brokerage model - a CONSUMER-CENTRIC business. If we are truly going to fix the industry and evolve as a sales force, this is the tenet we need to adhere to in every facet of the brokerage model.  The consumer comes first in every decision we make.  We cannot blame the consumers; we are here to serve them, they way they want to be served.  Not the way we have been serving them. Steve Harney presented some research that stated 10% of agents did 90% of all transactions in 2008.  That tells me, only 10% of the agent population actually knows how to differentiate themselves for competitors and serve their clients.  If you take this notion a step further, the consumer has a 9 out of 10 chance of working with a below average agent.

So, I agree with you that leadership needs to change how they direct and manage their companies.  This means they have to create a culture that is leadership driven, mission focused, consumer-centric, effectively managed and agent enabled.  This is truly a "Blue Ocean" strategy.

Ineffective management is a huge problem in the industry which has been ignored for decades.  "De-Recruiting" and focus on quality agents is one aspect.  But this doesn't necessarily mean there will be an increase in training. It could mean recruiting people with different skill sets, or people with extensive sales experience from other industries.  Regardless of the changes, there needs to be a plan in place for company growth and accountability metrics to establish progress. That means there needs to be measures on management effectiveness and agent productivity as well as consequences for both.

If agent mediocrity is the other half the problem then we need to look at those independent contractors. You claim the consumer is confused by messages I don't believe so.  I think the consumer knows there really isn't any difference among brokerages and agents.  NAR research stated that in 2008, 67% of home sellers only contacted on agent to sell their home.  And 55% of home sellers were "very satisfied" with their selling experience.  That's not a very good consumer satisfaction rate.  Every brand has the same stuff; files are passed the same why from office to office, brand by brand.  5% commission is the same at Prudential as it is at Coldwell Banker, RE/MAX, Realty Executives or any other local brokerage.   The difference between brands is the culture and agents. 

So, success is defined by doing the opposite of other brokers and agents its focusing on the consumer. This is why we the "TEAM" strategy has become successful and a growing movement in the industry.  Brokerages are better off with high performing teams than a mass of under performing agents.

Thank you for POV.  Our company has been working with RE organization for over 15 years to transform the business of real estate and building a better brokerages.

Derek

Business Consultant, Matthew Ferrara & Co

 

 

12:01pm • #148
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Well put Dave,

I too thought you might have a few more 'naysayers' on this.  AR agents generally comment in a positive nature.

I'm amazed at the number of people bragging about their company/corporate model.  Clearly it doesn't matter which giant fish bowl your business card is sitting in... Coldwell, Remax, EXIT, C21...

Can you imagine reaching into any one of those giant fish bowls, pulling out the one business card who will be in charge of marketing and selling your property. EEEEEEks!!!!

I do feel a corporate brand focused on training and developing associate careers has an advantage over the singleton independent brokerages.  However if the business model is focused on hiring anybody with a heart beat and a license, then they cannot be considered as a brokerage moving forward in these economic times.

The corporate honchos at my company would love for me to recruit more heads, however I'm with you re: the business model.  We do not have a hired recruiter.  Like attracts like.

Have a great year Dave!

12:05pm • #149

I've ordered my "Red Shirt" !

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Great post Dave.  I'm starting to notice more and more boutique agencies popping up in San Diego.  It's yet to be determined what exactly their recruiting philosophy is...

12:14pm • #151

The real estate industry is broken, and has been for a long time.  The reasons are numerous and been stated multiple times, but let's capture the most critical items:

1.  Barriers to entry are too low.

2.  The industry commission structure is effectively "maintained" by entities that are driven be agent fee's such as NAR, Local MLS organizations etc.

3. Underperformers are not removed from the system (see #2 above), but encouraged to "exist", at even unprofitable levels of activity.

4.  Legacy rationale for business organization structure leads to profitability being driven by "numbers" of agents and transactions on an average basis, versus quality of earnings and organization.

5.  Lack of distinction between part-time amatuers, versus full-time professionals.

 

So the fundamental question is, will the industry continue to flounder around, like a fish out of water, slowly suffocating to death?  Or are there dynamic forces at work that will ultimately lead the industry down a new path?

I think it is clear to many industry participants that the singular dynamic forcing change is the internet experience and capability that is now accessible to both the consumer and the service provider.  If we look back to see why the MLS organizations were created in the first place - it was because there needed to be a central (local) repository for data that was able to be orgnized, structured and accessed by "professionals".  This data repository also extended itself to the physical act of putting systems in place so as to provide for common security and access to client homes for the purposes of marketing and selling property.

If we break down the historical function of the MLS, we can see now that the internet and multiple real estate vertical portals out there, have for all intents and purposes eliminated the need for a MLS "central data repository".  Of course a bit more historical data accumulation and analytical tools will need to be provided by these real estate verticals, but that is a customer requirement issue, not a technical challenge.  Therefore, whether it is in one year, or three years, not likely to take more than five years, the need for an MLS organization to "centralize and control" real estate listing data will be eliminated.

The second issue of providing a common, secure capabaility to access and show properties is a bit more of a difficult issue, I would argue not so much from the technical side, as it is from an administration perspective.  Perhaps the state real estate regulatory authorities ought to be in the business of vetting agents and providing an electronic access to a Supra like system?  Or perhaps an entrepreneur will identify this as an opportunity and develop a product or service that would fill this void and be commercially cost effective and secure?  Again, I don't think resolving this part of the equation is really a matter of "if", it is more a question of "when".

With these two issues ultimately being addressed by the free market, I believe that leaves us with the "business" structure matter.

What someone already stated as an issue, and I agree with, is if the trend is for "power" agents to move to a 100% commission structure.  What role as a business person could a broker have?  Especially as the historic role of the broker is being replaced with tools and capabilities that are largely accessible to all and almost 100% internet driven?  Effectively the more internet based the business model becomes, the more it makes sense for an agent to "be his own broker" and open his own shop. 

The technology is clearly there already.  It is effectively an afternoon's worth of work to establish yourself as an independent brokerage, especially in the online space.  While gaining a prominent position online is a more comprehensive effort, that needs to be conducted on a consistent basis, this is just more a matter of redirecting marketing efforts from the old school newspapaer advertisements and postcards and bus benches etc.  The skill sets required are somewhat different, but someone can either learn the skills themselves, hire experts in online marketing to work on their teams, or effectively subcontract out 199% of this effort.

Again, I don't see the traditional brick and mortar broker doing anything in this space except parking the part-time agents and ineffective full-time agents in their increasingly empty office buildings that they have spread all over town, and which are really not required any longer.

A competent broker/agent, operating their own independent brokerage, using a 100% or very close to 100% virtual office model, with the ability to move further away from the local MLS as time goes on, is where this industry is clearly headed. 

The next step beyond that will really be up to the consumer.  Will the very comprehensive internet marketing capabilities that effectively allow the consumer to market their own home, effectively displace the broker/agent from a significant portion of the marketing/transaction process?  I would argue that the only correct answer is yes. 

Effectively in the end a homeowner could market their own property, and hire a title company or lawyer for a few hundred dollars to paper the transactions.  What more is really required?

For a real world primer on another industry that has gone through a similar change, just look at the stock brokerage model.  Compar a stock broker in the '70's, to the '80's to the '90's to now.  How many full time stock brokers do any of us know anymore?  The business model was totally changed by the internet and increased transparency of data and information.  The folks that exist today in this space are effectively "wealth advisors".  This requires a lot more education and knowledge to be effective and is a much different role that what a stock broker would have peformed for a client int he past.  To a large degree many investors now bypass stock brokers directly and place their own trades online and manage their own investment accounts through companies like Fidelity etc., who provide the investors with lots of tools and information.

Buying and selling houses is really not rocket science.  It really is all about information.  As information and data becomes more and more available and transparent, fewer and fewer phsycial people are required to "provide" data to clients. 

My thoughts as an industry outsider that has been a real estate franchise owner for the last few years, and has gone through a huge learning curve since I became licensed in January of 2006.  I wasted thousands of dollars following a franchise business model that was effectively rooted in the 1970's.  It has been a painful and steep learning curve.  But we have prevailed and my partner and I have been able to survive and grow our business, even in these extremely difficult market conditions.  We effectively operate as a 100% virtual office, and I make a very significant investment in my internet based system capabilities and marketing efforts, and it continues to pay off. 

Vito Boscaino

http://www.ServingColumbus.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Vito Boscaino
12:15pm • #152

If I had a crystall ball, I would pick the lotto numbers and be done today!  While the general public perception of Real Estate agents are slightly above used car sales persons, EVERY AGENT IS AN INDEPENDENT CONTRACTOR.  A company offers resources for an agent to use, it is the agents decision to which resources, or create new ones, to assist the client in their goal.  Every seller (including REO sellers) wants the highest price, every buyer wants the best deal (lowest price) and every borrower wants the lowest rates and favorable terms. 

Anyone can pull up a list (Internet or MLS) a taxi can drive you around.  The VALUE of an agent is in the agents ability to negotiate.  Statistically around 80% of licensees are "in the business" two years or less.  Around 4%-5% of agents produce around 95% of all transactions.  These statistics were similar in the 1960's when I was born, and I am sure it will remain when I leave this earth! 

The Four Rules of Real Estate (which I cannot take credit for) will always apply to this business and life in general. 1.SHOW UP 2. PAY ATTENTION 3 ALWAYS TELL THE TRUTH 4. Don't get attached to the outcome.  Rule 4 being the most difficult to comply with!  

Market conditions change, our minds changes, our bodies changes, our thoughts change, our situations change, the ONLY constant in life is change!  When you want something to remain the same, be assured it will not!  Like a qualified, motivated buyer, take all necessary and relevant steps to complete a transaction, always do your best and do what is "right", apply the 4 rules, for most of the time, we reap what is sewn.  This will not prevent another from flying your plane into a building, or a similar catastrophe. 

Corporate involvement on the level of the Independent Contractor will result in a similar fiasco as the "Mortgage Meltdown" the United States is experiencing now, only WORSE!  There never is a shortage of people who will take a short cut to their pay day.  Everyone you come in contact with, like it or not, will have some impact on you and conversely.  By example we can create MORE people who choose to "leave the wood pile a little higher" then the people who do not.

Life will always be about choice and opportunity.  Every waking moment we all choose to follow the rules (or not) help (or serve) others (or not), do the "right" thing or not!  Our (all living human beings) objective is to serve one another.  A man (or woman) who loves their job never has to work a day in their life!  If you do not see you job as "fun" you are in the wrong business!  Find an occupation that is FUN and become the best at the occupation!  Please don't be at the end of your time on Earth saying to yourself; "I wish I had done something else" I see no benefit in "I told you so" no matter who is the "sufferer". 

Jeff Hill Broker of J. Hill & Associates in Orange County, California

www.HillRealty.Org

Jeff Hill
12:17pm • #153

Our profession has pretty much always been a "fall back" plan for many leaving the corporate world.  It is evident by the average age of the real estate agent being in the mid to late 50's.  However, that's not a bad thing - I stand accused, as well.  What happens is that with a ground swell of new agents each year comes a need for training and oversight into their activities so that we have some quality control which is consistent with our desire to promote ourselves as service providers.  I don't know the answer, but I do know that it becomes incumbent upon the Broker in Charge to make sure that new agents get the training and support they need so that we don't have people playing fast and loose with our standards.

12:18pm • #154

Right on Dave !!!

I'm the owner of the office and the team and we do not have "independent agents" ....all are "Team Members"! My partner and myself deal with sellers and my buyer broker team members with buyers exclusively ...with a team of 8 licensed brokers we're doing the same production as a 60 agent office down the road!!

One of my suggestions would be to have a "New Agent Apprentice" program for at least 2-3 years after they get licensed. A new agent would have to shadow a Principal Broker with at least a 3-5 year experience AND a volume of 8-10 million+ \ year meanwhile being paid an assistants wage!! After 3 years they would have to take a final test before they can go on their own as a Principal Broker!!

 

12:18pm • #155

Right on Dave. Nice post.

Dustin Beckwith
12:20pm • #156
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Ok, I'm going to be a naysayer, here.  Not because I don't want change, but because change is slow, and I don't think this is the change that will occur.

First, before brokerages change to hiring just good agents, we'll see the bad agents fall off the wagon, the good days are gone for now, they will be back but right they are gone, and poor agents will not make enough money to stay.  They will go broke and find another job.

That's where being a big broker helps, while these agents are being weeded out, the broker is still takeing a cut from each one who sells the odd house.  The the truth is getting 3 deals a year from 100 agents is still better, than 20 deals from 10 good agents.  The fact also exist that as your recruit more, you also happen to pick up the next new star at the same time, so if you have 100 agents 10 are probably good anyway.

That's why the recruiting model for a brokerage does not change.  Of course helping poor agent become better agent is smart business too.

What I see changing is the level of service good agents will expect from their brokerage.  Do they support teams, do they offer techinical support, front desk administration, professional office space etc.

The internet continues to change the industry for the Agent, but not so much for the brokerage, the broker is now a business services industry, supporting independent business people(Realtors).  Their focus is finding tenants(Realtors), and supporting their business functions.  That's the real change, and for the most part it alreadey happened.  When an agent picks a brokerage to work at, they pick based on split(Price), Services, and Recoginition(Brand awareness).

So do a see a day of small brokers with 10 good agents owning the market, no I don't.  I see the broker who offer the most services to help my business succeed, winning the day, that broker will also have the most agents, own the most market share and will have 10% good agent and 80% mediocre agents and 10% bad agents.

As for pricing, well, 10% of the agents do 90% of the business today, so I guess the public still makes the decision based on level of service. Good agent are able to demonstrate what they bring to the table.  Every so often a mediocre agents gets business from a referral and friend but that will never change.

Again the only change I see is more upheaval from the internet for Realtors not Brokers.  Agents who do not master it will be left behind.  But not the brokers, they will just keep being small business support companies, renting office space and providing admin support getting paid as a cut from the deals done, or in a revenue sharing model.  Only brokers that do not recognize this change will fail.

Just my opinion.

12:24pm • #157

Has anyone ever heard of the new model called "entrepreneur"?  What puzzles me is why do the hotshots give away their commissions?  Why do they limit their range of services to whatever company policy is in effect?  Why do top agents not get a Broker's license, go independent ?  Why are top agents considered "rock stars" even if they are totally unknowedgeable and incompetent technically?

Could the NEW model be the entrepreneur?  Why do the big boxes thrive on stealing agents?  Why don't big boxes recruit, train, and hold agents...build for the future rather than be a body factory?  Why are real estate market areas dominated by the old agents and full of collusion to keep a beginner out?  Why is the real estate industry ranked below used car salespeople regarding trustworthiness and professionalism?  Why is the big box goal BRANDING?  Which means who can get the most signs up in town.  Why is E&O insurance so high per person with big box companies and so low with independent Brokers?

Why has nearly every American home owner had a negative experience (usually lied to) with an agent?  Why is the industry considered "Dog eat Dog?"

Pierce
12:36pm • #158

Anyone ever heard of the business model for Re/Max?

Number one in US in sales, sales per agent and experience per agent.  I think #1 in world in the same categories.

Excellent company to work for!

Gave out over 90,000 FREE referrals last year in California alone, where they are NOT #1 in sales. 

they focus very heavily on entrepreneurial types who want to take home a ton of money and still have VERY strong support systems in place.

Check it out.

Best to veryone!

12:42pm • #159

Wow.  While I think you did a fine job of making your point, I think this would be more appropriate as a book introduction than a standalone work - you are working on a book aren't you? :-)

There are just too many comments to be made as to why things are the way they are and how things "should" be.  Since nature abhors a vacuum, I think people are filling any void they possibly can (which includes above and below par performers alike).

One thing is for sure, quality of service is paramount - but one must always keep in mind the cost-of-quality curve in order to continue to survive and maybe even thrive.

2:00pm • #161

What a great way to write this article Dave; the indian tribe analogy was fantastic.  I'm in a Keller Williams Office and you may have heard we recently because the 3rd largest real estate company in the nation.  It has been said that Keller Williams is an education company that just happens to be in the Real Estate business.  In my office agents must sell 8 homes per year or they are counseled to see what other career might be a good fit for them.

Helen C. Martin
2:07pm • #162

A lot is said and even promoted about one company's training or education vs another. There's no doubt that every firm has different degrees of training for agents. Yet for some strange reason (and I only speak for my market area) when the day is done every company has the same % of killer agents (10%), the same % of mediocre agents (30%) and the remainder poor (60%), What has always fascinated me with all the various training programs offered, why at the end of the day none of it seems to be applied out in the field. I can't decide if it is the fault of the collective brokers all doing poor training or the fault of the agents who simply go through the motions of sometimes showing up for training or hearing but not applying. Whatever the fault it seems it's a lot of to do about nothing that gets to the street that clients can take advantage of. The other thing I've noticed is that most of the stars in our business rec'd very little training but either figured it out on the own (water seeks its own level) or were natural salespeople. Probably some of both. Just an observation.

Don Bush

2:22pm • #163
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Utopia is a wonderful place.

You described an agent Utopia that would be a living hell for most brokers today.

You are correct, the long-standing brokerage model I call "A Body Shop" where brokers recruit lots of bodies, throw them against the wall like spaghetti, and hope a few stick.

Have you owned a brokerage?  I have.  I found out that the BIGGEST divide that separates brokerage owners from agents is clearly defining their respective business models.

Agents are in the business of selling listings, and helping buyers buy.  We are in the real estate sales business.

Brokers are in the environmental business.  Experience as a broker/owner clearly showed me that brokerage companies are NOT in the real estate business.  Brokers create and promote an environment where independent contractors may do their business.

2:43pm • #164

Big or little, success in this business depends on how we take care of the customer.  Very few smaller companies have the resources to take care of the customer in the way that some of the well run larger companies can when it comes to introducing new technology etc. 

Having said that I do believe that a smaller office filled with people who are committed to running a business will always beat out the larger office which has some true professionals and some quasi real estate agents.  It certainly is a way better atmosphere to be working in today! 

Thanks for the thought provoking post!

3:06pm • #165

Hate to sound like the "neggie" in the group but I'm not sure that I would totally agree with you. The reason that your office sold as many homes may have had more to do with market factors than just "Quality of Agents" vs "Quantity of Agents". As others have correctly pointed out, this "weeding out the herd" discussion seems to take place every few years or so. True, some big brokerages may change in the future, but also look for banks or their service companies to become more actively involved in the listing of properties. So the greatest challenge that lies ahead may come from how we agents market ourselves.

 

The truth is, even the greatest "quality" agents can go broke without a steady stream of clients. So it's important to first realize that real estate agents are also in the business of marketing. If you don't realize that you are also in the marketing business, you are either naïve or being unrealistic. For this reason, some "new realtors" will outperform "old realtors."

 

Old realtors think you just need to provide good service. New agents create a blitzkrieg marketing plan. If 80% of buyers browse the internet, they'll probably find the new agents aggressive marketing stuff. So old realtors should be asking themselves,  How can I be more findable? Google profile, yahoo maps, etc. They'll also want to think outside the box. Do open houses for other brokerages. Offer some kind of unusual service for example, like homeowner insurance quotes or reducing people's property taxes. Market yourself as a problem solver for not just real estate solutions, and people will search you out.

 

Old realtors just sell houses. New realtors sell consumers on a philosophy. Example, we offer solutions both online and offline. Or we don't wait for things to happen, we make things happen. Selling a philosophy makes it easier for "word-of-mouth" excitement to spread in a neighborhood, which in most communities will still beat online sales pitches because people can see things firsthand. But contact reo companies, lawyers, corporations and others with your sales philosophy.

 

Old realtors believe their best investment is in educating themselves and their agents. New realtors know their most valuable asset is in educating their database of customers, prospects, niche and past clients. Using an email database, for example, don't be surprised if a customer calls to tell you about a sold comp that would have been perfect for one of his friends.

 

I guess what I'm saying is that brokerages don't have to do anything differently per se, but maybe how the agents in these offices creatively market themselves matters more. Banks, short-sale sellers and prospective buyers shop agents for different reasons. And marketing yourself as someone who stands out among the crowd is not easy. But if you fail to do so, as noted British philosopher Simon Cowell might say, the public may find you or your company "utterly forgettable"

 

 

Bob Boog
3:14pm • #166

Wow, sad but true...but market forces are incredibly cruel to the inept and bumbling.  Best to take extra training and read constantly to avoid being that ourselves.

All the Best,

Steve Bucher, mortgage consultant

INVIS Kamloops, BC, Canada

Steve Bucher
3:17pm • #167

Bob Boog - Great post!

 

Vito Boscaino

http://www.ServingColumbus.com

Vito Boscaino
3:21pm • #168
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So...what is a agent like me supposed to do really? Ok so in three years, I have worked real estate, I have sold one house.  I have tried internet lead generation with expensive poor reults. My broker is not high tech and prefers the old fashioned approach: go door knocking, visit expired listings,etc.  I get no money from my broker for marketing and I hve approached him on it (lucky for me I also have a 40hr/weekpaycheck too).

Most of you would say quit and that is not what I am about.  I have leads plenty of them but not usually the best qualified ones.  I beleieve in the internet as he next frontier.

I am open to low budget suggestions here because I am tired of going in circles...showing property and the best prospects have gone elsewhere for the most part.  I don't know...maybe I am too gentle...if they say let me think about it I accept that...I know the mecahnics of presenting and executing an offer but I want to how to get people to turn on to me.

3:55pm • #169
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See...

What'd I tell ya? 169 comments and I have read every single one them :)

Do you think I need to get a life? :)

TLW...ROAR!

4:04pm • #170

In my market, Coldwell Banker has been and continues to be the market leader in every way. Experience, talent, resources, etc. Sure, we have had agents leave to go to some new startup firms. Their high costs are drowning their agents. The main competition "boutique" firm started with CB talent and is floundering. They may pay a higher split, but if you are not selling, what's the point? 

I have to agree with a poster above from Keller Williams. The small firms can not compete in regards to training, technology, etc. What CB offers and what some of the small companies is night and day.

As the pie shrinks, we will only get bigger and better. Two RE offices recently closed in my town. The Carlson GMAC office closed (we hired their top agents) and their second tier agents went to ReMax, our closest competitor. 

 

4:05pm • #171

I wrote to the CAR over a year ago that I saw a serious flaw in their industry, namely "quality" was missing. Quality can be easily imporved if the CAR is willing to increase the barrier to entry based on education at least. But it can also increase by , just like with appraisers, have agents work with a mentor for 2 years before they all them selves an agent.

But here is a dimemma: the CAR management is paid by the number of agents, not by the quality. The industry needs to focus on "service" and not sales. Even in this article it is about sales, and I think that is going the wrong way about it. With increase in knowldge and experience, we can provide service to our clients, just like a CPA or financial planner does.

That is where I want the industry to go. I am starting by trying to become a board of director at my local assoication. I try there first.

 

4:30pm • #172
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You sound a bit like Seth Godin, do you follow him as well?  Years ago I worked at THE real estate firm in my community in CA.  If you got asked to join the firm it was the highest honor one could get.  Unfortunately, the owner eventually sold us to one of the big guys.  Almost all of us left seeking another exceptional broker but I can't say that I have ever been with such a great firm since then.  It sounds like you may be with one now.

4:33pm • #173

KW and every other franchise sing the same song.. "we're better than you." Yet in my market 3 KW offices shrunk by 120 agents collectively in 15 months. If their training was so good how do you lose that many agents in such a short time? Seems there's some franchise smoke and mirrors that inevitably is sold to their agents. In reality, KW is a multi level marketing firm that happens to be in the real estate business, not an educational company that's in the real estate business. I swear, I think their is more delusion in this business than there was at one of Hunter S. Thompson's birthday parties.

Here's the real truth. It doesn't make a tinker's dam what firm any agent works for. Every agent is going to do whatever they're going to do regardless. The cream rises to the top and the dead wood sinks to the bottom. As the largest real estate office in Ga south of downtown Atlanta I'm constantly called on by the franchise salespeople and I hear the same old song and dance from each of them. Hell, I could probably sing it better than they can since I've heard it so many times.

I could change the name of my firm to "Your Mama's Mustache Real Estate Co" and move the office to a cow pasture and we wouldn't miss a beat. All that matters are the players that are within the 4 walls, and broker leadership regardless of what name is on the building or what training is offered. I started my career with Remax and the extent of my training was "there's a telephone and a desk, hope you make it." What I've seen disguised as training at my competitor firms was nothing more than hot air that wasted an hour of their agent's time. 

I agree with Erick Blackwelder. Utopia is a wonderful thing and as soon as we can remove the human from the equation you may be able to nudge this industry into Camelot. But until then and as long as there are people intent on making money, achieving new heights of success and winning you'll never, ever see this business evolve into a string of boutique real estate firms collectively employing simply the best of the best. 

Don Bush

4:35pm • #174

Same goes for REALTOR Associations.

Randy Wright
4:52pm • #175

All this is really nonsense. Really, how different can the business models be? The fact of the matter is different things work in different market regions.

What the real problem with real estate industry is that NAR encourages every Tom, Dick and Harry to get a real estate license. Let's face it, you can basically be an idiot and get a real estate license. This is what is killing the industry. The barriers of entrance need to be riased. Can you imagine your accountant, lawyer or doctor not having a college degree?

4:53pm • #176

Randy Wright is a man after my own heart. Here, here. Another group of wanna-bee, know it alls. I'd rather send $500 to Mr McGoo than send a Realtor organization a check. We refer to them as the Mickey Mouse Club even though that besmirches all Mousekateers (sorry Annette and kids). And the comment right after Randy's is spot on as well. Thanka you boys.

Don Bush

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Dave,

Interesting perpective. Not hard to tell when you get the response you have gotten.  The industry has a problem and it has only been getting worse. You hit it on the head - recruiting. If they can fog a mirror and write a check they must be a future super star. There was a time that the 100% concept actually required agents to have experience and a good track record - it seems those days are long gone. Having been a broker owner at both of the big 100% companys I know it has changed. It is numbers now, the bills have got to be paid. Really can't blame the brokers, they are fighting to survive.  The real proof is that there are many 100% companys that are struggling because agents are not paying bills. 

Sorry guys it is not the company or the system it is the agent and the brokers that hire them.  We attempted to go all CRS last year - have gotten close but it is not easy. I assure you that the initials don't guarantee quality, but it a first step.  If you want a great example of selective recruiting take a look at The Group in Ft. Collins Colorado,class act, great training and great agents. It is tough,and no one wants to take the blame, but as brokers the the responsibility lies with us.

We have a long way to go but we averaged 32 transactions per agent last year. It is hard to let a prospective agent go down the street, but it is best in the long run. In the early days of one of the 100% companies we used to say "god bless XXXXX company for without them and thier training we would not have anyone to recruit". To prosper in a challenging market we do need to be selective, have great training and the best agents, then the market will have less impact . Here is hoping you are right, although I agree it is going to take some time.

Thanks for the post and here is to a great year.

 

Steve Cramer

5:43pm • #179
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Utah...

The popcorn was delicious. Thanks for asking :)

TLW...ROAR!

6:20pm • #180

At times anoynimity is a good thing, in that it allows us to look at just what we think of ourselves and others, from a distance.

Most of the Realtors I meet can not be trusted, because they will steel you blind and take your listing from you if you are naive, as in beginner, or more to the point you trust and have faith in people.

I love to be positive, which is why I prefer to work mainly alone, which gives me the opportunity to actually help people when they need help.  Meaning not force something down the throats of the unsuspecting and trusting people who want help because they can not do something themselves.

Getting a license is almost, in some states, as license to screw people, as in do not tell them the actual truth about the business as if too many know what we know we are all screwed.

Well guess what, that is exactly what has happened to our economy, and the reason is that people are too greedy for their own good.

In the old days people helped people, they did not screw people and then say your welcome...

Sadie
6:52pm • #181

Quality is different things to different people and in different markets. But there are some general guidelines. Quality isn't what you decide it is, it's what the consumer decides it is.

Quality in the Eyes of the Consumer

Read the Survey and See What Consumers Really Want

I recall reading a post on activerain recently about surveyed consumers. let me find the link to the survey. Survey Link Check out page 35. Check out the whole thing and get some ideas.

 

 

 

Jerry
7:03pm • #182
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Great post.  You make a point of transactions per agent.  This reminds me of what I say to myself every year when the top agency report from NAR comes out in Realtor Magazine.  Who cares if they have triple digit agents if the agents get less than 10 transactions per year?  If the ranking is based upon number of agents and not the quantity of transactions, is that a place you want to be.  I am in the business to make a living, I don't want to be a number.  Yes that means I want to be surrounded by elite professionals.  Can every agency have all elite professionals, no, so we strive to get to the elite agencies.

7:03pm • #183
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Love this post, and have read a couple of the books you mention. Like your tie-in... Would love to see a straight forward breakdown of what is happening in Real Estate right now between companies... but I know that even within companies things differ. Thanks Utah Dave!

7:08pm • #184

Great post Dave! Back when i was going through broker's classes, I spoke to a friend of mine that was also in the class about the perfect brokerage model. After much discussion we decided that it just didn't exist in the present market. I have heard a lot of people saying this downturn in the market will end soon. I'm not sure where that mentality comes from, but the last time I checked there is not a 'V' in a recession. We may have hit, or will soon hit, the bottom in this market, but anyone who feels we will simply rebound this year or next needs to look back at history. We are likely to see this level in the market for another 6-7 years. The best way to survive this market is to be on a team. We built our brokerage on this team model. There are no individual agents in the office. If you want to work with us you either join a team or start one. While the broker still holds regular training, the responsibility for motivating and improving the talents of each person rest on his or her team leader. They work together to build each other. The broker deals directly with the team leader on issues, and the team leader deals directly with his team. The broker must be a working broker and not looking to make a killing from his agents. As we bring new agents on and increase revenues we find another service the agents need to allow them to focus their time on their business. We started with a scheduling desk, then a runner to handle all signs, lockboxes and other minor tasks that chip away at your time. After that, we will add a transaction coordinator for the office and will look at other things from there.

An agent must be actively seeking new business. Karl Malone said a long time ago that his job was simple..."Dunk Ball, Collect Check." A brokerage should be doing everything it can to help the agents do just the same...Sell House, Collect Check."

Mark Shepherd

RE/MAX Unlimited

www.MyPieceOfUtah.com

Mark@MyPieceOfUtah.com

Mark Shepherd
7:51pm • #185
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Comments that stated or asked, " This really isn't a new brokerage."

Dave's reply, "Awesome comment.  I agree. There have been brokerages like this before and obviously there are some already.   It's already evolving.  The title really is referring to the new ‘good to great' brokerage that will appear.

 

 

Comments stated or asked, "This sounds like Utopia."

Dave's reply:  Well, if every brokerage was like this...yes, it could be a utopia.  But not every brokerage will be exactly like this.  There will still be a mix of different brokerage models.  That's the free market right?!  When Cirque du Soleil went into business, they found the best performers for their market.  There will be a red shirt warrior brokerage.

 

 

Comments stated or asked, "80/20 rule or the 90/10 is in every industry."

Dave's reply:  Very good comment.  It does exist in every industry doesn't it.  I agree with that comment.  Let's say all the brokerages interview agents and have requirements for the agents to be a part of their brokerage.  Does this mean that every brokerage instantly sells the same amount of homes and gives the same service?  I don't think so.  Does this break the rule?   I don't think it does.  That is because changing the requirements doesn't mean that the rule will be broke and all brokerages will be equal.  What it does is it raises the bar. But the 80/20 rule will still apply.  What if anyone who wanted to be on college basketball team could if they pay a fee and have a pulse.  How exciting would college basketball be than?  That is how real estate is today. The brokerages/teams let anyone play that pays a fee. They are lining up the subs like crazy.  Hardly any of them get practice time let alone show up to practice.  Yes, of course there are those with dedication that rise and shine.   Today in the real basketball world there are college teams that out perform other college teams.  With the bar raised there are still the John Wooden teams who will outperform every other team because they have something the other teams don't have even though they may all have the same structure (somewhat.)

 

 

Comments stated or asked, " 100% Brokerages is the new brokerage."

Dave's reply: "Ummmm....I guess that could be a possibility...but every 100% brokerage model I see in our area doesn't embrace any principles that would make it flourish. How many For Sale By Owners do you know have sold their home with a 100% keep the commission structure?  Yes there have been, but how great was their experience?   I do believe there are successful agents within those organizations but I dont think that is the new model.  3 words. Law of Attraction.

 

 

Comments stated or asked, "My RE/MAX brokerage, or my Keller Williams is the new brokerage you are talking about."

Dave's reply: "I know owners of both brokerages and do know they have quality agents.  I think it is wrong to generalize that all of those brokerages are the same.  Those are independently owned and therefore all have different environments at each office.  I do believe KW's and RE/MAX's bottom line is the number of agents.  However, I also know of local brokerages that want quality and may have some requirements.  I believe some of those brokerages may be doing what we are talking about while the umbrella is still focused on number of agents. That would mean they are close.

 

 

 

Comments stated or asked, " How do you define Mediocrity?"

Dave's reply: Great comment!   I agree, you can't define it by number of transactions. Personally, I would define it by attitude.   I don't think there  is a scale in our market that you can take to say whether you are mediocre.  You might be able to identify it though if one says, " I have gone above and beyond for my client."   Or if someone states, "Why do I always get the problem deals."  Or if someone states, "They owe me big time for this."   I've been there and said those things, that's why I know it was mediocre.

 

 

Comments stated or asked, " Can you really define that top agents that sell a ton of homes give better service than someone with less transactions?"

Dave's reply:  I don't think so.  Could you define Madoffs company as successful because of how much money he raised?

 

 

Comments stated or asked, " Perfect Brokerage Model"

Dave's reply: "I don't believe there is a perfect model or a perfect company.   I believe once you believe that, one becomes complacent.  I believe in progress and growth.  Its continual.  No such thing as ‘reaching perfection.' Those who focus on a perfect model will be very disappointed and fall into a gap of despair because they never reach perfection.  Must focus on progress and be happy and grateful for what life brings us...opportunities to grow. 

 

My wife just called...got to go home for dinner. J  So many comments on here to address everyone...I will continue. I love the dialogue.  Good ideas..great comments...good to see the many perspectives.  I don't believe there is one exact model that will rise.  There could be a few or one Im not even thinking of.  Think of ideas. Be creative.  And raise the bar!

8:27pm • #186

The economic downturn over the last year and a half is a testament that the parties involved with the real estate market (agents, brokers, bankers, derivative peddlers, etc.) sought to take value from the system rather than add value.  I look forward to the matket shift and watching those that contribute succeed. 

Timothy Peterson
8:38pm • #187
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Ok, I couldn't read all of the responses... I actually don't generally comment on posts with this many comments for just that reason... 

I'm not shocked that there weren't more naysayers.  The type of agents and brokers that are drawn to A|R aren't the 'mediocre' type.  We are innovators and rebels.  I'm not surprised that this group would would be cool with a 'rebel brokerage'.

10:04pm • #189

This is a very interesting post.  I especially like the comparison to the Lakota Tribe.  Now, this is the same tribe that was chased down and almost wiped out after The Battle of Little Big Horn, right?  Red Shirt, Blue Shirt, Purple Shirt...doesn't matter.  They're now restricted to a reservation and really didn't do well in surviving, did they?  I understand your point and know how much you'd love to restrict entry into the industry to specific people that you would pick.  But in a free market, it doesn't work that way.  I think a better comparison would have been the Cherokee Indians.  Now they actually adapted, thrived, grown, and have actually succeeded. 

 

Joe Christonie
10:05pm • #190
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Utah Dave:

You have added to my reading list.  I too will be watchig this thread for comments.

 

10:06pm • #191
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Dave<

I like your thinking. Red Shirts...

What most people are mssing - I think - is that there are a LOT of people who arrive at Coronado every year, they come from the best ranks, only the best are even allowed in the front door. When it is all said and done, only a few remain standing, those few are referred to as Navy Seals.

How do they get there? They have the will power it takes, there is zero tolerance for slacking, and there is one EASY shortcut - QUIT.

So, my question Dave, would be this. If I open a boutique brokerage, how do I know if the guy/gal really is as good as he says? Production? Marketing? Service quality awards? Whatever someone can dream up to put on a business card?
For some of us it is easy, we belong to a special club - if I meet someone from my club - I don't need to ask any questions, I know.

But what about the general population? The people who never decided to give it all, who never bit the hardest bullet the coudl find to see what was inside, who never climbed that mountain (just because it is there, or just because someone said so)...

I agree with the comments about franchise x and y... I depends on the broker at that level, and they can screw things up royally. So, when we get good enough at what we do, we go looking for the local guy who has it right - and then we get to business. And, yes, the local guy could very well be a major franchise holder - who knows.

Dave, altogther, I think you have accomplished what you set out for, to provoke some fresh thoughts in an industry that is ripe with the habbitsof yesteryear.

Oh, yeah, I am getting pop-corn too - and my flame retardent suit... :-)

Terkel

10:19pm • #192
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Dave ~ Fabulous post!  After being with 2 large franchises for 10 years, I recently branched out on my own and opened a boutique-style real estate office in Grants Pass, Oregon, utilizing the very criteria you discussed in your post!  Our hiring standards for Agents:  3+ years in business, 2+ Million in production, No Primadonnas, and MUST subscribe to the Golden Rule Philosophy.  I am okay with growing the business slowly and methodically to achieve our goals.  We have only been open for 2 months, and have already created quite a buzz/stir in our quaint little town.

Real Estate Cafe' ~ Where Something Good is Always Brewing! 

9:16am • #193

Great post! Thanks for the insight and ideas.

10:40am • #194

Wa ...wa... wa... to Don Bush, you don't know what you don't know. And you further more ...don't  know the top superstar agents in Metro Atlanta.  They would not tell you that they invented the wheel and taught themselves. So why are you typing smack about self taught... lalala la... Many were mentored and started in other capacities before going solo or building a team. Keller Williams teaches a model that shows how far you can go on pure entrepreneurial skill and then how to get to  professional... with structure, systems and methodology. Agents can be very successful without being entrepreneurs.  If they consistently lead generate and follow models and systems. Others have gone before us... many of these posts are a testament to the differences between other large companies and KW. Gary Keller wrote the book Millionaire Real Estate Agent and published it. Read it then talk about the models you are uniformed and uneducated. Those are the real reasons agents get a bad wrap.. . A ton of uniformed smack talk.  Now about the agent count reduction in offices near Don.... Well let's start with 2007 and the Dwellings C21 franchises that imploded ...Their top agents are mostly at KW now... or Remax of Buckhead they imploded recently, many of their top agents were persuaded by "deals" to go to ReMax Greater Atlanta.  I think that there have been as many as 6 entire ReMax offices POOF disappeared in Intown Atlanta. Let's not talk about agent loss in a particular office or area because it supports NO conclusion. KWRI in 2008 gained market share and office count!  

Now back to Dave, we as realtors did not create this market. The ratio of total agent count to transactions is far more complicated that ... aren't we special this is our current ratio...  This market and the dynamics are not easily analyzed or understood. If you are in Metro Atlanta in 2006 in New Construction and that was your niche well the metaphoric bomb dropped depending on segment, price, product, etc between early 2006 and June 2007. If your specialty was high end luxury then the shift was last September. If your specialty was Short Sale and REO well your ship is in! Many factors determine who has had pay checks...

The survivors may very well not be the "best or most experienced agents" but those that were fiscally responsible when paychecks were aplenty.

All said and done, The Strongest Models and those that follow those models will survive and really thrive again! Lead with revenue and Lead Generate... don't and Game Over!

And one last note... where will all those Realogy agents go...Thank GOD KWRI is Debt free!

Debby Crawford
3:13pm • #195

Great Article.

I have read every book you mentioned and Blue Ocean Strategy is one of my all time favorites. For all of you that have not read it, it is a Must Read.

I believe in the a la carte real estate program. For those of you that do not remember Julie Garton-Goode wrote the first book, to my knowledge, about the subject and actually created a designation. The book was Real Estate `a la Carte. Her designation was C-CREC, Consumer-Certified Real Estate Consultant. Unfortunately Julie's child became very sick and she took a leave of absence. I understand she is back in the game and will have her site up and running again. The biggest problem is creating a model that is financially sound and when you switch; to generate monies during the interim or have enough capital to see you through the change. Mollie Wasserman has been doing this for quite awhile and probably is one of the Best people to contact regarding the subject. She has a course and the designation is Accredited Consultant in Real Estate®. I started a Flat Price company in northeast Florida in 2005; in 2006 I had more listings, I believe it was around 173, in northeast Florida than any single agent. Then came the discounters and I took a leave of absence. I provided a level of service that was excellent according to my sellers; however I could not afford that level at the price of my competitors, most of who are out of business.

It is better for the consumer to purchase a la carte, however when a very good agent says "why pay them anything up front, when I will do all of it for free unless your house is sold," it is a challenge to get the money upfront or increments as you go forward with your buyer or seller.

But this is what we need: not to have "prospects" but Clients. We need to charge like CPA's, Lawyers. Doctors, etc. We need for our Buyer and Sellers to be True Clients and we need to be Professionals and market ourselves as such.

One such company in Northeast Florida which is gradually making progress in a new model is Your Choice Real Estate and can be found at www.ycre.net.

Michael Thomas
Passport Realty & Mortgage
Jacksonville, FL
MichaelThomas@PassportRealty.com

 

 

Michael Thomas
3:50pm • #196

 

Dave, you constructed your post exceptionally well.  I was left with ideas, and spurred thought but didn't drive the type of response in any particular direction, it was broad enough that it spoke directly to many different people, but they all took something different from the post.  This is my response, more closed so perhaps not going to spur conversations, but will stir thoughts.

What road will you take?

I see people who took it as an opportunity to say the future of real estate is in one of these areas or some variation of them

100% commission models - You have a licence?  You're hired, here's your fees, pay them every month, or pay your transaction fee when you do a deal (maybe even over the internet)

Boutique models - Take only the best, forget the rest

Recruiting Models - Hire anyone, accept the weak, and hope to get more strong agents by sheer volume.  (I have to say, this is how I do my lead generation, and I am okay with it)  Service levels vary on the split taken by the broker.

Running a team within a brokerage and offering all of the infrastructure, lead generation, and transaction management at the team level

Running a brokerage will all of the infrastructure, lead generation, and transaction management at the brokerage level.

Looking at all of these options, I don't see a lot of difference to the bottom line. 

The Full service brokerages will charge more for their services to the agents.

The full service team leader will offer the services and charge a large fee also.

The 100% commission model will be cheap, and offer less support, and you'll have to pay the costs directly out of your pocket, or do the work yourself, or hire someone to take care of that workload.

The 20/80 or 90/10 rule at work again

In the end, the leaders and people with the plan will make a lions share of the income, and below them will be great salesmen, poor salesmen, and everything in between.

Which model will you choose?  The one that fits your needs best (at that time), that has the people you will get along with best to work with(at the time).  And here's a secret, that might change!

Get Behind the Wheel

What drives a successful business model?  Passion!  If you believe it, you will make it happen.  Don't be confused with "The universe will make it happen because I think positive"  You will make it happen, because when you are passionate about something you'll avoid the pitfalls you can and plow through the ones you have to, because you are passionate about it.  And the most important element to being successful in anything, is wanting to be successful. 

Now that can't be the only driver, because lots of people want to be successful, but they lack a plan, or a strategy.  The passion is the motor, focus is the steering wheel, and the plan is the road to success.  If there is a weakness in any of those things, it will effect you getting to your success.

About the people and Niche Marketting

There are different types of people in the world, and people gravitate to people they like, that is true.  That is why all of these business models are correct to a certain extent.  I'll admit, some need to be better executed, and might just need more thought, but there is something out there for everyone.  Some people want to sit across from their counter part.  Some want to work by e-mail; I even did a transaction here where I communicated with the client mostly by txt messages.  As long as you are marketing to a niche that suits you, your odds of being successful will be better.  That's the beauty of people being different.

The Brokerage of the future  - The more things change, the more they stay the same

The brokerage of the future is an interesting looking creature, depending on whose eyes you are looking through, it takes many different shapes.  In a lot of ways it will be the brokerage of the past, just tweaked a little bit, the leaders in our industry will lead, and the followers will follow, and when ready, they might become leaders themselves.  

The successful model may be in the form of a broker behind a desk blogging to his agents speckled across the province or state, it may be the broker who runs his office like a team, it may be the team leader who runs his team like a brokerage, but under there is one core value, the leaders with passion and a plan will lead, and those who want to be a part of something that is great, will follow.  When someone can see their success using a specific business model, they will choose that model.  And if they grow and see their success elsewhere, they will move.  Some will prevail, and many will fail, such is the nature of the commission sale.

 Patrick Milligan

Prudential Spencer Real Estate

Gibbons, AB

www.sturgeonhomes.ca

1-888-921-0303 x1

5:02pm • #197

With a prior history of careers primarily in media management and education, there might be a bit of skew to my perspective, but I've been simply staggered by what appears to be the traditional business model for real estate....and even more so given that we work in a "broker-centric" state.  Just throwing that proverbial "stuff" at the wall and seeing what sticks easily explains what agents tend to hear in their "Real Estate 101" class....that public rankings and perceptions of realtors run to the bargain basement.... 

Doug Parker
7:39pm • #198

With a prior history of careers primarily in media management and education, there might be a bit of skew to my perspective, but I've been simply staggered by what appears to be the traditional business model for real estate....and even more so given that we work in a "broker-centric" state.  Just throwing that proverbial "stuff" at the wall and seeing what sticks easily explains what agents tend to hear in their "Real Estate 101" class....that public rankings and perceptions of realtors run to the bargain basement.... 

7:49pm • #199

What a great post! Thank you Dave for sharing such powerful, thought provoking insights and knowledge, we should all be the wiser for it. 

The new business model that you refer to is nothing new to Prudential. They've practiced this for over 25 + years.  The focus is on quality of agents and quality of service, higher levels of productivity and performance, rather than recruiting high numbers, which is why I accepted the invitation to join such an elite, esteemed group of colleagues, and it was invitation only.  This is a great discussion thread, however, different companies utilize different management models to achieve their objectives and bottom line results.  If you look at different management theories, you will find various scientific approaches used to manage resources and secure the maximum profits for the organization. Further, if you look at McGregor's Theory X (lazy) and Theory Y (self-motivated) concepts, most would assume that all Theory Y types are in real estate.  And perhaps Theory Z types are the ones with the red shirts.  

There is definitely a level of mediocrity in our industry, especially within the REO segments, which is my background and specialty, and I hope to see that image change locally and globally, starting with home first.  In today's market there appears to be significantly increased interest in wanting to break into the REO business and get REO listings/bank owned/foreclosed assets. Many might view this as easy money, a quick paycheck, and instant referrals, or a source of income in a tight market, so we're seeing increased numbers of new entries into the REO markets but the level of service is declining, from seasoned veterans to newbies who have no clear idea of what it takes to succeed in REOs or have lost sight of the basic model. The focus is on volume, quantity, getting the most listings, rather than service, best practice, ethics and integrity. 

I've had the opportunity to wear many different hats, from being a former REO Asset Manager, to a high volume, top producing REO Listing Agent to REO selling agent, and I've seen many opportunities to enhance the level of service and business practices, not just as it relates to consumers but in relation to fellow Realtors. This business is based on relationships, we have to work together to a certain extent to achieve the ultimate objective. It took a few hard lessons for me to get to this point, but it is imperative to remember that there is a micro-relationship as well as macro-relationship necessary for survival. If we focus on serving the external clients and forget about our internal customers (eachother) then our transactions will be much harder to finalize and close, and we could eventually do ourselves and the community a great disservice.  

In conclusion, I don't think we have to start doing the opposite of what everyone else is doing, for there is nothing new under the sun.  It comes down to home training, take care of home, do what is right, treat people right, be decent, fair and one of integrity, put yourself in their shoes and decide how you would want to be treated, you're right, it's not always about the money because I've never seen a Brinks truck in a funeral procession, life is too short people, let's get it together!

9:13pm • #200
APR
26
2009
192,976 Points 4 Featured Posts Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

That was quite a read.  Good comments too.  I had a choice as we all do to pick a brokerage to work for.  I choose to work for a boutique brokerage because the broker/owner insisted on hiring agents who were willing to continue to grow in their profession through continuing education and community involvement.  He is very ethical and will not tolerate any "bending" of the rules.  

I would like to see an even more dramatic new change in the industry.  A partial payment up front for listing the home and the efforts of the listing agent.  Then the usual payment after successful completion of the contract.

12:18am • #201
118,540 Points Attended Rain Camp

Your Statements are ON TARGET!  Since you are younger than me....IF I move to Arizona I'll apply with your Team, because I am old enough to be done leading.  We are rockin in Southeast Florida as a Team of 3 (and we usually do), so it's unlikey that move will be anytime soon. Thank YOU!  For stating TRUTH so clearly!

7:51pm • #202
APR
27
2009

You are so right on.  I've been saying this for several years.  It is changing whether the seasoned agents like it or not.  Great article!

1:51am • #203

Lets give new agents a break... I feel they can do very well if they know and embrace the new technology. Many of the agents leaving the business are experienced but can not cope with emarketing and technology. Lets welcome new, refreshing and talented people to our busines.... lets twitter, twatter or what ever and remember we have all been beginners at one time.

Dee Mauriello
7:17pm • #204

Great post Dave!  As a real estate videographer, I run in to agents all the time who just don't get why technology is so important.  They don't get why they need to use internet marketing, and they certainly don't understand the advantages of video over "virtual tours."  The ones who understand technology and marketing are at the top!

If anybody here works in Utah (like you, Dave), check out my website, give me a call or email me.  I'd love to tell you about the adantage of video as well!

www.yea-nay.com

Dustin
9:16pm • #205

We have to be cutting edge to attract the attention buyers and sellers demand of us as professionals.

 

9:56pm • #206
APR
28
2009

Great discussion about a zero entry industry and the need for change! 21st century organizations are competing in fast paced and uncertain times.  Therefore, much attention should be given to maintaining a learning environment, and being adaptable.  Team culture is a must!

1:32pm • #207
APR
29
2009

Dave,

 

I couldn't agree more. I have had these discussions with my manager over the past year. I came from the auto industry here in Michigan. And when times get tough you cut down on your overhead, you reduce the workforce, etc. Real Estate is the only industry I know of that actually wants to add people to the problem. The reason is exactly as you stated, you can be a Real Estate Agent and do nothing. And the ones that do nothing, or one or two deals a year are actually costing the brokerage money- for future referrals because of their lack of follow up etc. If the brokerages had standards that had to be met, it would help. If you have an elite team that does what they say they are going to do, and do it; it would help our profession.

Bill Welsh
2:45pm • #208
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Utah...

This post is like The Energizer Rabbit. It just keeps going and going :)

TLW...ROAR!

2:48pm • #209
MAY
01
2009
4 Featured Posts

Utah Dave certainly touched a nerve with this terrific post.

It sounds most of you enthusiastically agree with him that mediocrity is on its way out, and smaller, high quality brokerages are on the rise. Undoubtedly your models will have a great deal of variation in them; with some of you emphasizing one aspect, and others of you emphasizing different aspects.   There could still be huge, additional improvements for all of you, if only you could adopt each other's best practices.

Discussions relating to best practices and optimizing broker models have been going on all over ActiveRain for quite some time.   The problem is, these discussions are in pieces and scattered all over ActiveRain. You really have to dig if you want to find the pieces. 

Given the trauma and massive change the real estate industry is currently undergoing, best practices and broker model optimization are vital and timely discussions that definitely should be held industry-wide.  To help organize and facilitate these discussions, we've created a new Collaboration Group called "Optimizers" to:

  • Give the optimized broker model discussion clearer topics and more focus
  • Share best practices
  • Make it easier for the best ideas and thinkers to reach the center of the discussion
  • Make it easier for all participants to capture more value from the discussion

I've invited Dave to participate, and now I'm inviting you all too.  Use these links to learn more about our new ActiveRain Optimizers Group and Collaboration Project.

Let's create some synergy!

 

2:16pm • #210
MAY
05
2009

I worked at a large franchise here in california in administration though I had my license...I watched the different agents and worked with them one-on-one as I trained them on our Intranet and debriefed them on
ABC's of "How a House Gets Sold" or "Bought"
Basic Contract Provisions
Broker File Procedures
Client Interview script
Policy Manual and on and on from CAR NAR relevant emails forwared to them weekly
and on and on and on....

I had hard-copy versions that I emailed them as well as having them on our Intranet...

I tried to train many on PowerPoint for their marketing efforts...

Bottom line...they'ed walk out of my office and my jaw would just drop...full stop.

I now work at a boutique agency, Eagle Ridge Realty, where our brokers constantly email us with up-to-the-minute details on our niche market, work on refining the website, entertain with the latest scandals/scams, find the time to teach real estate at the local junior college, and have the heart, soul and quiet determindation of Mine That Bird...a 50-1 long shot that is paying off, big time...

Sarah Whitely
12:52pm • #211

mmm...glad I didn't razz a prior post for their spelling...off for some popcorn.

Sarah Whitely
1:11pm • #212

States should reduce the number of licenses issued in this profession. Realtors should have to disclose weather their Full-time or part time.  That is my 2 cents.

9:55pm • #213
MAY
07
2009

I read E-Myth many years ago and it's an awesome book. A couple of months ago, I moved to a different company. My Broker initially contacted me and his business model is E-Myth. He wants Realtors selling, and not getting bogged down with non-selling things. Once I write a contract, it is given to our closing coordinator. That allows me to keep selling. Right now we have about 12 agents and we do more volume per agent than the large brokerages.

Debbie James
4:41pm • #214

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