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Understanding FICO 08

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Mortgage and Lending with National Credit Fixers - Matt Listro

 Understanding FICO 08

On January 29, 2009 TransUnion rolled out and made available the credit-scoring model called FICO 08. This is the newest version of the FICO® credit score, which is simply a redevelopment of their widely used industry standard classic score. The long awaited release of this model is good news for lenders, low risk borrowers, and those with low credit card balances. It's bad news for piggybackers, companies that sell piggybacking services, consumes with a lot of credit card debt, and the flop of the century, so far, in the credit scoring world known as VantageScore.

FICO 08 will eventually be the industry standard credit score despite not being available yet from Equifax or Experian. We should see FICO 08 at Equifax before the fall and at Experian as soon as they start losing customers to TransUnion or Equifax. Experian has alluded to the fact that their ongoing litigation with Fair Isaac over VantageScore is causing some stress in their relationship and delaying the roll out of FICO 08. The problem is eventually lenders are going to get sick and tired of getting caught in the middle of the "Experian versus FICO" arm wrestling match and move their business elsewhere when they find out that Experian isn't offering the new gold standard credit scoring model. When that happens you will be able to time the FICO 08 implementation at Experian with the second hand on your favorite watch.

So what is so different about FICO 08 and the other versions of the FICO score? There are three primary differences of note. They are:

1. Negligible Collection and Public Record Exclusion - The newest FICO score will ignore any collections or public records with an original amount less than $100. It's important to note that for a collection to be bypassed by the score, thanks to the new logic, it has to be reported as a 3rd party collection agency account and not the collection department of a credit card company. If the collection shows up as "trade" then it will still count against your score even if it is less than $100. And, if the original amount was over $100 but it has been paid down to a current balance of less than $100 it will still count in your score. This is exceptional news for consumers who are haunted by low dollar collections caused by misdirected final utility bills and some insurance snafus.

2. Credit Card Utilization - Credit card utilization, the ratio of your current balances to your current credit limits on revolving credit card accounts, remains a highly important factor in your FICO credit score. However, in FICO 08 it takes on a whole new level of importance. Consumers who have balances that approach the reported credit limit will find their scores lower with FICO 08 than with previous versions of the scoring software. FICO's research has apparently discovered that consumers who are highly utilized with their credit cards are more risky than they were in the past, hence the more punitive treatment.

3. No Piggybacking Allowed - This new version of FICO apparently has the ability to determine if an authorized user credit card account is an attempt to game the credit scoring system through piggybacking, which is the process whereby a consumer with poor credit would pay to be added to the credit card of someone with good credit as an authorized user. Fair Isaac will not disclose how they're able to tell the difference between a legitimate authorized user account belonging to, say, a husband and wife versus one that has been made it to a credit report through other means, such as piggybacking. You will recall that FICO 08 was originally going to completely ignore all authorized user accounts. This new logic seems to split the difference between ignoring all authorized user relationships and doing nothing to discourage the use of piggybacking services.

So why does FICO 08 pose a problem for VantageScore? It's actually quite simple. As long as FICO keeps improving what they refer to as their "classic" risk scores the less compelling it is for a lender to test, let alone switch, to a new score brand. Implementing a new version of FICO is much easier than implementing a whole new scoring model, like Vantage. In fact, a company called SubscriberWise has already implemented FICO 08 not more than two weeks after it became available.

The best advice for consumers who will begin to be scored with this new FICO score is for them to continue to do what they're doing now. Continue to make all of your payments on time. Continue to work down your credit card balances as much as possible. Continue to apply for credit only when needed. If you can do all of these things then your FICO 08 score will be solid as a rock and, who knows, maybe your VantageScore will be solid too, although nobody will care. 

:)

Matt

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Harry F. D'Elia III
WEDO Real Estate and Beyond, LLC - Phoenix, AZ
Investor , Mentor, GRI, Radio, CIPS, REOs, ABR

More and more people will need a credit expert in their life. Why? I believe 60% or more have errors on their credit report without them knowing it.

May 01, 2009 02:48 AM
Melissa Zavala
Broadpoint Properties - Escondido, CA
Broker, Escondido Real Estate, San Diego County

This is pretty interesting stuff. I'm wondering about this: since our collective credit has begun to decline so significantly, in a few years the majority of homeowners may not even be able to qualify for simple items. What do you think about that? DO you think they will adjust FICO again to address that?

May 01, 2009 02:56 AM
Matt Listro
National Credit Fixers - Matt Listro - Vernon, CT
Your Credit Repair Expert

Hi Harry: There was a study done that revealed 79% of all credit reports contain errors!

Hi Melissa: No I don't think they will adjust it.  The purpose of FICO is to predict whether a person will go 90 days past due in the next 24 months.  I believe this premise will hold and they will continue to make those predictions through the FICO score model. 

That being said . . . I believe it is possible as the national FICO score average is in decline - that it is possible (nothing committal here hun) that banks and lenders will lower their FICO standards in order to acquire more customers (didn't we try this for the past 10 years - insert chuckle here).

:)

May 01, 2009 03:06 AM
Tere Rottink
CoastalVa Realty Inc - Virginia Beach, VA

Very informative.  I have flagged it for a feature.

May 01, 2009 11:59 PM
Terry Haugen STAGE it RIGHT! 321-956-2495
Stage it Right! - Melbourne, FL

Matt, I don't quite understand that piggybacking thing.  Does it mean that MY credit would be affected if I put someone on my card who has questionable credit?  Personally I hate the FICO scoring system, because they can downgrade our credit based on "inquiries", for closing accounts, for paying off a card instead of making timely consistent payments, and lastly downgrade our credit because we may have "too much available credit" even though we haven't used it.  That last one is a problem I have.  My score has always been in the 800's but because my credit card "gave" me more on my limit, my income to debt ratio has changed, thus lowering my FICO, even though the card carries a zero balance.  Thanks for the information!

May 02, 2009 01:14 AM
Joan Whitebook
BHG The Masiello Group - Nashua, NH
Consumer Focused Real Estate Services

I think there has been a over reaction to this credit meltdown!  The system does not take into account individual circumstances.  Someone can have perfect credit for 20 years.. then have a medical crises for a short time .. and they are treated the same as the FICO model!  It is most unfortuante.

May 02, 2009 03:22 AM
Matt Listro
National Credit Fixers - Matt Listro - Vernon, CT
Your Credit Repair Expert

Hi Tere: Thanks - you rock!

Hi Terry: Let me explain piggybacking by using an example. Let's assume you have a daughter who is 18 (ok so we have to add 20 years to your age - wink wink).  Your daughter has no credit.  You call up one of your credit card companies and add your daughter to your card as an "authorized user".  This in no way affects your credit but the next time your credit card updates to the three bureaus they will include the account on your daughters credit report - thereby giving her a credit history with a tradeline with an established history.  Piggybacking has been away to "get around" low or no FICO's for some time but it's usage will not be effective for much longer.  Under FICO 08 there are actually 4 scorecards devoted to someone who has authorized user accounts.  Many lenders have now coded their underwriting engines to refuse findings for a credit report with an authorized user account under the justification that the score may have been manipulated.

I understand your frustration with credit scoring.  It can be confusing.  Believe it or not it is actually very logical and it all does make sense (OK OK maybe only to us Vulcans - lol).  Anyway the key to remember is that the score is trying to predict whether or not you will go 90 days past due in the next 24 months.  Everything is a derivative of that.  For instance you mentioned inquiries lowering your score.  It is historically factual that someone who goes 90 days past due is very likely to have a lot of recent inquiries on their credit report.  Therefore, if you too have too many inquiries in a short period of time - it may be the first sign of financial trouble and you will be scored accordingly.  The same logic holds true for people who are maxxed out on their credit.  The majority of people who are 90 days past due are also maxxed out on their credit limit.  Therefore the closer you get to your credit limit - the more likely you will be to go 90 days past due and therefore your score will be adjusted accordingly!

Hi Joan: You are correct.  The scoring model is statistical and not emotional.  That person who had good credit for 20 years will still score better than someone else with the same bad credit but without the extended 20 year good history.

:)

May 02, 2009 04:57 AM
Terry Haugen STAGE it RIGHT! 321-956-2495
Stage it Right! - Melbourne, FL

Well that certainly splains it Matt.  I still don't like it )-:  BTW you might have to add like 40 years to my "suspected" age.  I have a 35 year old son :-)  Live long and prosper!

May 02, 2009 06:15 AM
Matt Listro
National Credit Fixers - Matt Listro - Vernon, CT
Your Credit Repair Expert

Hi Terry: 35 yr old son - I never would have guessed it - you look great!

:)

May 02, 2009 08:09 AM
Terry Haugen STAGE it RIGHT! 321-956-2495
Stage it Right! - Melbourne, FL

Why thank you Matt.  Good genes, a vegetarian diet, and yoga, is all I can say.  Your cat looks pretty good too :-)

May 02, 2009 10:18 AM
Matt Listro
National Credit Fixers - Matt Listro - Vernon, CT
Your Credit Repair Expert

Hi Terry: Thanks!

:)

May 03, 2009 02:03 AM
Mitchell J Hall
Manhattan, NY
Lic Associate RE Broker - Manhattan & Brooklyn

Matt, I think this is good news. I particularly like number 1. I have a lot of credit but no debt. I pay in full each month. There are two negatives on my report a 30 day and 60 day late. Both instances the credit card charged a $15 and $35 finance charge after I paid in full. I ignored the bills because I hadn't used the cards. My score is pretty high but the two late charges really annoy me. I think there is a big difference between being late on a mortgage payment than being late on a $15 master card charge.

May 03, 2009 02:27 AM
Matt Listro
National Credit Fixers - Matt Listro - Vernon, CT
Your Credit Repair Expert

Hi Mitchell: I agree with you too - number one is a substantial improvement to the algorithm!

:)

May 03, 2009 03:36 AM