For some of us who can remember the days when FHA mortgages were to be avoided like the plague it almost seems like a quaint notion that Sellers and Buyers didn't have to worry about appraisers coming in behind home inspectors to do a home inspectors job.  The FHA, it seems, wants its appraisers to hunt down "health and safety" issues in addition to their regular job which is simply to ascertain value for the mortgage company or bank.

This may be all to the good in a "normal" market. When the market is a hot Seller's market, no one touches FHA because of the dreaded appraisal issues.  Even if the Seller is willing to make repairs or provide a Buyer credit because of the results of a thorough home inspection, they may have to make more repairs - non-negotiable repairs - because of an appraisal. So FHA went by the wayside during the huge selling frenzy of the early 21st Century.

As a result, FHA toned down their requirements for appraisers to look under every nook and cranny to find "health and safety" issues.  It seemed that FHA wanted to attract borrowers back into the fold. No more dreaded VC sheets. Only the most glaring issues would show up on the appraisal.

Fast forward to today.  FHA is about the only mortgage available to moderate income (mostly first-time) home buyers. If a home buyer doesn't qualify for a VA mortgage then FHA is the way to go. Lenders really like the government backing and borrowers like the low down payment and flexible credit guidelines.

However, now the monster appraiser is back on the scene! 

Even though most of the homes that are available to moderate income (mostly first-time) home buyers fall into the bank-owned or short sale category, the FHA appraiser is out there looking for chipping paint and loose handrails so that the buyer will need to jump through hoops, dance a merry jig and stand one their head clucking like a chicken in order to get to settlement.  Oh!  Since appraisers are so busy nowadays with the new and improved re-finance boom, they don't get their report in to the lender until the week before settlement.

Why does the buyer have to worry about this?  After all the "health and safety" issues in the appraisal are supposed to protect the buyer.

It's because in the case of bank-owned homes or short sales, the seller is not going to make any repairs, let alone something an appraiser found. Home inspections are performed for "informational purposes only" and allow one decision to be made after an inspection -- move forward or void the contract.  So, in 99% of the cases out there the Seller isn't going to do anything so the buyer needs to get into the house to touch up the paint or install a handrail or move a stove out of an "illegal" downstairs kitchen some previous owner installed for their mother-in-law or renters.

Then the appraiser needs to come back and "re-inspect" to make sure the house has been repaired properly.  Gone are the days when the appraiser determined value. Now, in addition to jumping thorugh all the mortgage documentation and verification hoops, all the tighter, more stringent credit underwriting guidelines the buyer may need to do a little "fix-up" even before they go to settlement and move-in.

FHA is not kinder and gentler. Bank owned and short sales may not be "the deal" some people are looking for, especially if they have to do repairs before they own the house.

 
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15 Comments on A Kinder, Gentler FHA Appraisal...Not

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Its a mess and I don't see any relief in sight with this. We have fought and lost so far. Im experiencing my first taste of it now.

6:25am • #1

Thank you for the post Ken!

I live in SW Michigan and work in the NW Indiana market, near lake Michigan, and close many FHA deals. You make GREAT points. On the last home I closed, the lender acutally called for 2 FHA APPRAISALS! With that, came 2 SETS OF REPAIRS AND 2 RE-INSPECTS, racking up almost $1000 in appraisal fees.

Here is an interesting fact for agents working FHA deals. HUD homes that are IE (insured with repair escrow) will finance in your repairs and allow the buyer to do them after the closing with the re-inspect 30-90 days after weather depending. That is nice, because there is minimal risk for the buyer.

I know have a seller doing $1675 worth of FHA repairs for the buyer to get the house closed. Scraping and painting the soffit and fascia, downspouts, and some missing siding. We've had rain, so the weather is keeping us from a closing now.

If I am working with a buyer, it is my duty to have an "idea" of what FHA is looking for. I write clauses in my contracts like this: "Seller to be responsible for up to $1000 in FHA repairs and/or upgrades". Seems like if you work into the contract some dollars, there is no surprises after the appraisal. Makes for a smoother deal. It doens't work with REO's and Shorts, of course. but I find most of those in our area are conventional or cash.

 

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Just let the government get involved and some government official will throw a monkey wrench into just about anything they can get their hands on.

They don't know what they're doing but they must do something, I suppose to justify their existance. 

The real question is, which is worse?  the bank owner that doesn't know real estate or the government clerk writing the regs that doesn't know real estate.

 

6:39am • #3
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Appraisals are best done at the listing.  If you as a pro can't get the value, don't list the house.

6:47am • #4

Ken - Most REO agents will take a lower CASH deal over an FHA loan in our area for this very reason. So to combat this "Monster" I have converted all of my FHA loans to FHA 203K , that way if I get hit with repairs we just roll it into the cost of the NEW paint, carpet and appliances we are buying anyway with the "203K Streamline" loan. Problem solved on more than one level.

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I suspect we are in for another adjustment in the market due to the change in apprisal rules that took place on May 1.  I wonder how quickly VA will fall back to their old ways as well?

7:12am • #6
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Laura - "Mess" is an understatement

Theresa - I haven't seen too many HUD homes down here since FHA was almost non-existent.  All the foreclosures and short sales are "conventional" which means bank-owned or Freddie Mac/HomeSteps

Lenn-  Amen is all I can say to that.

Laura G. -- That assumes the buyer qualifies for the higher amount in the 203(k) and it doesn't take into cosideration the "pre-settlement" repairs. CASH is, indeed, KING!

Cindy - I cetratinly hope VA doesn't get crazy.  Yeah, this new appraisal thing on May 1st is going to be interesting.

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Ken, here in the District, agents are just beginning to learn about FHA.  Until recently the limits were too low to work, even on a hovel that would never in a million years pass anybody's health and safety test.  And now, with many homes that are priced within the range, we are advising sellers to say say no to FHA contracts.  We are having hideous appraisal problems, not just with handrails and illegal basments, but with numbers that are way, way below the accepted price.  Then, if we try to give them more suitable comps, they threaten us with jail time.  At least here, they are getting a horrible reputation.

8:02am • #8
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Pat - My most recent experience also bought in a low appraisal --- by a measley $4,000.  Now that turned out to be .0185% less than the contract price so I know this appraiser really, really knew how to value the home to the nickle (...not).  Luckily, this was a Freddie Mac/HomeSteps program house and they went along with the appraisal.....but for a "plain vanilla" seller it would be a nghtmare.

11:32am • #9
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Appraisers can't be that good.  If we're dealing with a thousand or two, he just can't be so accurate that the can't reach the sales price.  You have scared me with this blog!!

8:35pm • #10
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Barbara - I have a feeling appraisers are going to get worse and worse.  Now that they are "independent" and cannot even be in contact with their "employer" (the bank) they are goiing to be brnging in all kinds of strange (low) values and conditions. I have learned that ALL my low to moderate income first time home buyers will need the 203(k) streamline product since all the houses will have some conditions.

4:08am • #11
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Thanks for the post and for bringing this to our attention. I agree it is a good idea to try to do a FHA203k

5:42am • #12
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Ken, I learned the hard way just how difficult this can be.  We even had a foreclosure that was in great condition and we still had to go in there and do repairs to get this going. It is indeed a nightmare experience.  Unfortunately, many of my buyers don't qualify for the FHA203K loans.  This is just a mess and I fear only going to get worse.  By the way, for what its worth, I think this post is worthy of a feature.

2:05pm • #13
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Ken, this post was very helpful to me.  We are in negotiations for our buyer on a home that needs minor repairs.  But it has missing (taken) light fixtures, door knobs, microwave... etc.   We don't want surprises at the 11th hour.   FHA has changed so much, that I am now getting myself educated thru our lender, and your great posts.  Thank you.

 

Elaine Giamona, Broker

Lincoln, CA http://www.mccoyreo.com

 

10:08pm • #15

Ken, this post was very helpful to me.  We are in negotiations for our buyer on a home that needs minor repairs.  But it has missing (taken) light fixtures, door knobs, microwave... etc.   We don't want surprises at the 11th hour.   FHA has changed so much, that I am now getting myself educated thru our lender, and your great posts.  Thank you.

 

Elaine Giamona, Broker

Lincoln, CA http://www.mccoyreo.com

 

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