Here's the Fox Business News clip which talks about negative equity. Unfortunately I can't embed the FBN clip.

 

And here's CNBC...

 

 

Like what you're reading?  Then subscribe to my blog to receive updates.  

Follow Me on Twitter   My Outside Blog   Watch my Crazy Movies on YouTube 

 

 
Post is included in group: Zillow Mortgage Marketplace
Post is included in group: Zillow Discussion Group
Post is included in group: Realtors®

18 Comments on VIDEO: On CNBC discussing "shadow inventory" and negative equity

MAY
06
522,855 Points 41 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router

I'm working with a couple of prospective cleints who have lost 50% value on their property.  They put 20% down on their property when they bought them but the market has plummeted and the homes in their neighborhood are selling for an average of $230,000 they paid $450,000 and owe $350,000.  No hope in sight other than to walk away. This is a group that has been lost in all of the bailouts, buyouts and loan modifications.  Buyers who actually put money down and now will lose that and far more.

5:28pm • #1
270,273 Points 4 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Spencer I think there is a lot of truth to the shadow homes.  We have many, many sellers who are waiting it out and most likely will come back into market once we've got the foreclosures on their way to evening out. That being said........zillow smillow......I've seem more zestimates that are so far off.

7:13pm • #2
Outside Blog

Those who put money down and now have to sell, such as those in Cindy's example, are definitely in the worst case scenario.  I know there's still a lot of places that have stories like that, but a lot of other places, these numbers just aren't true.  I believe nation-wide statistics such as those quoted here are misleading.  I had a thought to go back and count how many times the word, 'scary', was used in the two broadcasts, but I'll leave that for someone else.  These two stories are not useful information for home buyers or sellers in my area.

7:19pm • #3
178,377 Points 13 Featured Posts

Spencer,

Good job!

It is refreshing to see somebody on a major network being realistic about a housing bottom and recovery.

The last time I checked Jim Cramer is still talking about a housing bottom on June 30. ;)

7:39pm • #4
481,919 Points 10 Featured Posts Outside Blog

That is the way it is in Metro Detroit.  So many people upside down at least we have a home price plateau

7:46pm • #5
112,901 Points

Here in Phoenix which was one of the worst hit areas in the country I would estimate that about 50-60% of homeowners are upside down on their mortgages right now.  We have had such steep price declines and buyer expectations are so unrealistic that any one not in a distressed position would have to price their home similar to one of the foreclosed properties or short sales and thereby put themselves in a short sale position in order to sell. It's one big mess I tellz ya.  Thank you for the post and best of luck.

9:09pm • #6
699,135 Points 104 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router

Cindy- Do your clients have to sell or walk away?

Spencer- Out of our 50 or so listings, just off the top of my head 40 of them are short sale listings. Everyone who bought here in 2003 to 2007 are upside down with negative equity.

I bought my house in 1998. We did refi once to put a new roof on our house and get a new A/C and we had to rebuild our pool because the granite was falling off. But we never used our home for an ATM machine which many people did around here except my neighbors who all have their homes paid off. 

My question to people who don't have to sell is this, why are you complaining about your negative equity. Is your house just a stock to you? Real estate goes up and down. A house is to be a home, a place of memories and family times. A place that you pay off over time and have no mortgage in your golden years. Since when is it the government's problem and the rest of our problem if some people are upside down?

Walking away is irresponsible.

I know people working 2 and 3 jobs to make their house payments. They don't qualify for any of the bail out programs because they are responsible people. Very sad, sad indeed. Reward the irresponsible and ignore the responsible. Katerina

9:38pm • #7
23 Featured Posts

Nestor -- wow, that's a lot of short sales! Those are very complicated for an agent, and it looks like you've carved out a great niche for yourself in that area. Good for you. (Not so good for your sellers, obviously. Tragic, actually.)

 

10:20pm • #8
23 Featured Posts

Let me try to clarify my perspective on the current housing situation.

I was trying to make three points in my media interviews today.

First, Zillow's data (and my opinion) is that home prices have further to fall in almost every major city, and certainly at the national aggregate level. Home values will decline from today's levels because of new foreclosures and short sales, as well as an inventory glut from homes already on the market. New job losses will also contribute. Additionally, there are still a lot of ARM resets coming (I don't recall the specific number) which will create a whole new group of distressed sellers, unable to cover their mortgage obligations and unable to refi because of negative equity.

Second, Zillow's data shows a significant amount of homeowners have negative equity -- about 20 million homes, or about 1 in 5. Six months ago it was 1 in 7 homeowners that had negative equity. As you know, negative equity is a serious issue for a homeowner because they can't refi with negative equity, and they can't draw down from a HELOC which means they can't fuel personal consumption off of their equity.

Third, there is a massive amount of "shadow inventory" waiting in the wings, which will come online as new listings when the housing market starts to turn. Conservatively, there are about 20 million homeowners who are basically waiting to list their home. About 1/3 of homeowners say they're at least "somewhat likely" to list their home in the next 12 months if they see "an improvement in the housing market". Using that 1/3 number would get us in the 30 million range, so I'm being conservative when I say about 20 million. As you probably know, there are about 4 million homes for sale now. The reason this "shadow inventory" matters a lot for all of us is that it will stall a recovery, because new listings will come on the market to sop up any new demand that comes. As a result, we'll see an "L-shaped" recovery, rather than a "V-shaped" recovery.

OK, so now that I've thoroughly depressed all of you....

First, what advice would I give to owners? Refi if you can, and don't sell if you don't have to.

To renters and first-time-homebuyers? Buy! Even though this probably isn't the bottom of the market, if you're going to stay in your home for a few years it doesn't matter that much. And timing the bottom precisely is impossible anyway. So take advantage of the huge amount of inventory, the low prices, the attractive financing, and the government subsidy of your first time home purchase.

To sellers: if you want to sell your home, price it correctly (which is probably lower than you'd like).

And finally, to real estate agents: Homeowners, buyers and sellers are terrified in the current environment. They need your help more than ever -- you're like a doctor to them in the midst of a health care epidemic. Educate, console, counsel, and you'll be invaluable to your clients. And of course, most of all, remember to market yourselves online because that's where your clients are.

10:31pm • #9
MAY
07

Spencer,

Kudos on the insight. My question to you is regarding the 4 obviously hurting states of Fl, NV, AZ and CA. Would it make sense to track them separate from our other states? Or even to cluster states that share similar markets and economies? Nationalizing the numbers makes sense but only as a first step. Shouldn't our next step be to break it down from there? - Jason

8:13am • #10
23 Featured Posts

Jason,

We actually do better than the clustering idea you suggest. We produce individual reports for 161 cities, down to the neighborhood level. (And of course, we also produce valuations down to the home level, 3x per week.)

Here's the link.

Click on any one of the excel icons and look at the different worksheets.Here's the Charlotte report for you.

 

By the way, I looked you up on Zillow. Your profile page is here. It looks like you haven't uploaded a photo or otherwise improved your free profile page. It will improve your SEO and make you look better on Zillow, and it's free. Here's a video that might be helpful. And another one on Zillow Advice.

 

8:46am • #11
178,377 Points 13 Featured Posts

Spencer,

Thanks for the clarification that you have written.  I tend to agree with everything you are saying but the 1 in 5  homeowners being under water still seems very high to me.

8:51am • #12

Spencer- I'll spend more time getting to know Zillow. I'm excited I found you and that you are reaching out to the agent community. I'm following on Twitter, too.

9:30am • #13
156,152 Points

Spencer: We have not taken many listings this year, with sellers who want to move up and either have negative equity or not enough to make the move. Negative equity is serious business, especially if they put money down. I think it is like the stock market, if you can, you need to hang in there and ride it out.

11:05am • #14

Interesting concept to predict what inventory is on the sidelines. Are the mind readers? I don't care for Diane O much but she did ask a couple of excellent questions. Z doesn't have a clue, they're driving prices down in the whole country based on foreclosures sales elsewhere with their calculations.

Dan Grammatica
5:56pm • #15
23 Featured Posts

Dan,

In what way is Zillow "driving prices down in the whole country"?

9:03pm • #16
JUL
21

Spencer, great post!  Great comments.  While I am not a fan of Zillow, and I somewhat agree with Dan "Z doesn't have a clue!"  I don't really see how Zillow is driving the prices down--but that's his opinion, and like belly buttons, everyone has one. 

Zillow to me has always be an unreliable source for real estate values, but how much effect they have..... I do not know, but that's not why I was researching the web.  I was looking for info on "shadow inventory" and this blog came up.  I still enjoyed!  And you have some great comments.  Thanks for post.

3:23pm • #17
23 Featured Posts

Thank you Aida

5:49pm • #18

Leave a response…



(optional)
What does the graphic say?
 
Rascoff026 Rainmaker_large

Spencer Rascoff

Seattle, WA

More about me…

Zillow

Office Phone: (206) 470-7108

Email Me



Links

Archives

RSS 2.0 Feed for this blog

Find WA real estate agents and Seattle real estate on ActiveRain.