Dave Ramsey wrote a response to someone asking about the FairTax.  Unfortunately (and frustratingly) Dave got a few of his facts wrong*.  Nevertheless, I have to agree with one person from OH (identified only as "Kicker"), who commented on Dave's article saying:

While many applaud the benefits of the FairTax, very few discuss the drawbacks.

First, because people will receive their whole paycheck, they will have control over more of their own money. This means they will waste a greater percentage of their total income buying things they don't need, or that are not approved of by those who now work for the government and know better.

Second, businesses will have expanded markets overseas due to lower production costs and more competitive products. This means that our trade deficit will decrease, and foreign governments will have less money with which to buy American real estate and businesses. This will be a blow to trans-nationalism, and will result in fewer Americans working for foreign-owned companies, and fewer jobs being moved off-shore.

Third, government corruption will be decreased. Without a thick cover of convoluted IRS regulations, government employees and elected officials will be less able to hide nefarious behaviors. Manipulation of the tax system in return for political contributions or outright bribes is a time-honored tradition, practiced around the world. Instituting the FairTax will strip Congress of the ability to manipulate the tax system in favor of political cronies, reducing Congressional contributions, and, maybe, even resulting in the election of more honest politicians. Don't let it happen!!!

The dangers of allowing people to keep their money, keeping American jobs at home and American business strong, coupled with the horrors associated with honest government, are just too great.

For the sake of our children, who fortunately already owe $22,000 in debt, don't let reactionaries pass the FairTax and end a system we, almost, understand.

Ban the FairTax.

 

 

 

 

*Note:

Dave's mistakes:

DR: "The basic premise of the Fair Tax is that it’s immoral to tax someone’s income"

No. The premise is that taxing retail sales makes for better incentives, and less opportunity for government meddling than an income tax. It's not a question of moral or immoral - just better / worse, or effective / ineffective.

DR: "People would only pay taxes on items they buy, except for food, basic clothing, and other kinds of necessities."

No, That is what is commonly called a VAT (Value Added Tax) plan - as they have in Europe. The FairTax taxes EVERYTHING sold at retail.  This, combined with the prebate, is what makes the FairTax fair - it treats everyone exactly the same, no matter how much money they make - and yet it is NOT a regressive tax due to the prebate.  Up to the poverty level of spending on retail products and services, all taxes are prebated.  Those who spend above the poverty level will pay the FairTax out of their own pocket for all retail goods and services above that level.

DR: "We’d see a lot of job losses if the Fair Tax system were put in place. Tax preparation services and things like that..."

While it's true that those in the tax preparation industry, as well as lobbyists and tax advisors would lose their jobs, those "losses" would be MORE than made up for by new jobs created in the new tax haven for manufacturers.  And most assuredly, those who are skilled at accounting (such as CPAs) would undoubtedly find MORE than enough work as business boomed.  So, while a few people would lose their current jobs, the net effect would be significant job gain.  (And, honestly... most people are savvy enough to understand that the tax preparation industry is really a seasonal one - working from January through April 15th every year, with only a very few (comparatively) employed throughout the year to handle quarterly taxes for businesses.)

 
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6 Comments on Problems with the FairTax

MAY
07
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Dave - the biggest problem with the fair tax is that in a down economy, tax revenues would decrease (if that is really a problem). And, to shatter a myth, most CPA's work year round, it is only the personal tax preparation industry that is seasonal, and with more and more required to file quarterly taxes even that is disappearing.

But the real big problem with the fair tax, the one that will keep it from passing; cabinet nominees would no longer be able to blame Turbo Tax for their cheating mistakes.

6:08am • #1
182,339 Points

Geithner will be against it then I presume.

12:19pm • #2

Mike - the first problem you mention - that with the FairTax in a down economy, tax revenues would decrease - is not appreciably different with any other plan of taxation.  At least, any plan that anyone has seriously considered and proposed.  (It could be remedied with a flat tax that was calculated, not on the basis of income or consumption, but based on Legislators' "needs" divided evenly among the population - regardless of income or spending.  Then tax revenues would not fluxuate.  Any takers?  LOL!)

As we've experienced, when the economy is down, income is down, and therefore, so is income tax revenue.

You're right about CPA's working year-round.

You're also right regarding the problem of people not being able to cheat make mistakes when paying taxes under the FairTax.  We should keep the time-honored tradition of enabling those behaviors to continue.

Thanks for clicking and commenting!

12:42pm • #3

Kevin - I imagine you're absolutely right.  Geithner would want nothing to do with the FairTax.  It would make paying taxes too simple.

1:00pm • #4
JUL
06

And the biggest problem that no one has told me how they would fix is that people would just simply not pay tax at all.  What I mean is that everyone that has proposed a fair tax only taxes retail sales.  No one that I have seen has proposed a wholesale tax as part of the fair tax, so guess what people will do?  Duh, everyone would simply start a business and buy all their products through the business and pay no tax.  So why don't people do that now?  Well, it is not worth most people's time for 6 to 8 percent tax, but if tax rates were raised to 20 to 25 percent (It would have to be under the fair tax to pay for all government programs no matter what anyone tries to promise you) it would be worth it.  There would be other ways around this tax too, like buying used, barter, cash, etc., but that would be the biggest problem.  Also, do you propose taxing real estate transactions at 20%?  Well of course not, we need an exemption for that to save our industry!  You see where I am going with this.  Everyone will want their own industry spared the tax, so it will be just about like now.  Anywho, it will never fly in this country anyway, so the question is moot.  Do you think politicians, who are mostly lawyers want to make things simpler? 

1:05pm • #5

Brian - Thanks for the comment.

Actually, people DO try to start "businesses" now to avoid paying tax.  One example is all those in the MLM industry who aren't building legitimate businesses - who get "in" only to save money and try to claim tax exemption but never sell any products at retail.  The problem with that plan is that sooner or later, the scam is spotted.  And the "business" is shut down and penalized.  In order to have a real business, you have to have real customers of real products and/or services.  That wouldn't change under the FairTax.  The difference in the scammers would be that instead of trying to dodge income tax, they'd be trying to dodge sales tax.  As a result, instead of being pursued by the IRS (which is overwhelmed, inefficient, and ineffective) they'd be pursued by their state's tax collection agency - which, instead of dealing with millions of individuals whose income was being taxed, they'd "only" be dealing with thousands of businesses whose sales were being taxed... a much less cumbersome task.

Regarding Real Estate...

Yes, all new real estate would be taxed under the FairTax.  All previously-owned real estate would not.  But the cost of developing real estate would go down due to contractors, etc. neither having to pay income taxes nor pay accountants, lawyers, etc. to figure out and deal with paying those taxes for all their employees.  When the currently-embedded (hidden) income, corporate, etc. taxes are removed, along with the hidden costs involved in collecting those hidden taxes, the final price of goods and services (including developed real estate) will be quite comparable.

Your last point is the most pertinent.  The biggest reason the FairTax is not moving forward faster is the strong opposition of those who would stand to lose power.

2:20pm • #6

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