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130 Comments on Higher Taxes make for the Happiest People on Earth
I saw this article this morning and had to come back here. This guy lived in The Netherlands and at first thought that getting a check every year to take a vacation was pretty nice.
In other words, you have to cringe only once a year when you see 52 percent of your income go to state coffers. In exchange, every time you look at your bank account, you see money deposited by the nanny state. Every year you enjoy Mojitos on the beach, courtesy of the compassionate government. The evidence of the politicians' benevolence is everywhere, all the time. It sounds like a fantastic deal, doesn't it?
I can see how it can suck people in to think that many are getting something for nothing. But you need to look at the big picture and understand what's really going on.
The average Joe simply doesn't understand that, on average, every dollar individuals "get" from the government comes directly from more than one dollar that individuals were forced to give to the government in the first place. When Joe sees a $600 "stimulus" check in the mail, he completely forgets that it comes from $1,000 he was or will be forced to give to the government, which spends it on bureaucracy, interest, etc. before it comes back to him in its diminished form. This is to skip a lengthy discussion about the misallocation of money and the destruction of incentives for innovation and growth, not to mention the sociological side effects of the welfare state and its copious opportunities for corruption.
The toughest thing to remember about government programs is not what is seen being done with the money, but what isn't seen that that same money could have been doing instead. Do you want the government deciding how to spend your money or do you want to decide for yourself how your money is spent? Again, it's the freedom of choice. If you're not free to spend your money the way you want, are you really free? I understand that government needs taxes to function but I believe in having the smallest government possible and allowing the free market to make the decisions on how most of the money is spent. I love the democracy of the free market. People voting with their dollars.
@ Spammer Tribaldos - So what are the taxes like in Panama;)
One of the comments did mention suicide rates. The World Health Organization lists Finland as having the 15th highest suicide rate in the world. Denmark comes in at number 27 and the United States comes in way down at number 47. The one country on the list that does come in below the good old USA is the Netherlands at 51. Maybe that has to do with that legalized weed-"Hey man, are you ummm happy? Yeah, man (phsssst!!) I am very, very.... um what was the question?" The latest problem in the Netherlands is that the health Nazis have made it illegal to smoke in bars but the pot heads have bars where it is legal to purchase and smoke weed. So I guess they have to check your roach to make sure it is weed. There must be some unhappy people there now! Any way with such high suicide rates in these socialist utopias you must wonder who was surveyed. Or do the unhappy people in these paradises simply give up and blow their brains out and are being buried the day the happiness survey guy comes by? Or could it be that the survey is just a load of crap done by someone who wants to prove the unproveable, namely that people want to have the government take more of their money and manage more of their lives! Dollars to donuts this silly survey was sponsored by some government agency.
Stewart,
That's an interesting survey. The results should give us something to think about, just to go a little deeper into it, to find out why so. Obviously there is a reason behind it.
People in California like to pay taxes
No we don't Eric. California produces most of the intellectual capital and innovation this country has seem, over the past 30-40 years. We thrive in spite of the confiscatory taxation here....but we're gonna change that soon
Good God Almighty, somebody grab me a beer.
Stewart: I am wondering how many of the above commentors are going to put you on their Christmas card list ? Whaddya think ? By the way... I just love Swedish meatballs. Yum ! You have provided some very interesting reading... and some pretty crazy comments. Thanks for sharing...
Karen Anne - It's truly fascinating to see the comments and reactions ..... put your feet up and enjoy some more :)
After reading all of the above comments... I want to echo the one that Coleen made in comment # 43. Colleen wrote:
The fact that we are (or were) the richest country on earth but will not provide health care for all of our people is beyond shameful.
It seems to me that we (the global we) were put on this earth to care for each other.
Liberty and freedom seem like empty promises when they do not include basic human compassion for all.
Thanks Coleen...
I always find John Zolsky's comments well worth reading because they are so amusing. Katerina's, too.
Stewart- it is intersting to see how passionate people are on both sides. Does anyone here remember when the US had a 90% tax bracket?
It was under the Carter Administration.
Hi Stewart, looks like you touched some nerves with this post. I too am very proud to be an American. But we do make mistakes. Low taxes are a wonderful ideal. High taxes are burdensome to all. What I get out of your post, is people are happier if they get real and perceived benefits from their taxes.
This comment gets down to the basic question:
"Liberty and freedom seem like empty promises when they do not include basic human compassion for all."
I think that it is a given that no matter what economic system you prefer, we all want basic human compassion for all. We just seem to disagree with the best way to show our compassion. I think that caring and compassion should be on the individual level through charity with no government interference. Others think that it should be done through the force of government. They don't seem to think that freely organized charities are enough. They want government to force everyone to be compassionate as they are.
I trust that people naturally want to help others. I saw it with Hurrican Katrina. Individuals jumped into action without waiting for a government program to tell them what to do.
Government forced compassion strips away the joy of giving from your heart. To me, the free market system is the most compassionate system on earth because it creates the most overall wealth. Caring about others is one thing but having the wealth to do something about it is much better. Unfortunately, we don't have a free market in the US but that is the path that we should be going down. The path towards socialism is the path towards more poverty for all.
The story of the Pilgrims is a great example of a socialist experiment in America. If it didn't work in a close knit faith based community back then, it's hard to imagine it working today.
Katerina, FYI: " New Yorkers with money that are welcomed here in our wonderful FLORIDA with NO STATE INCOME TAX"
New Yorker's who have second homes in Florida are not exempt from NY income taxes. Even those who switch their primary residence to Florida and still maintain property in NY and derive income from NY are not exempt.
Unfortunately NY state finds them. NY state has very sophisticated technology in conjunction with the IRS that red flags out of state returns with NY addresses.
I learned a few years ago from a CPA that gave bad tax advice to my client that was moving to a no income tax state that an agent should never give tax advice.
I'm so giddy I could pee....until April 15th! There are no easy answers to the dilemma. I never profess to have them, because quite frankly you can think yourself into stupidity trying to figure it all out...SOOOOO...beware those who proclaim they have the purple pill for solving the healthcare crisis in America...it ain't that simple!
We get nothing for our taxes except corruption and greed! What a waste of our hard earned money. REVOLT!
One should read the whole story not just pick the ones out that serves a purpose. The reason we here in the US are unhappy need to look no futher than the approval rating of Congress.
We could have so much more if they were not stealing so much. Our leaders Republican, Democrat and Socialist or just stealing more than the average working American can afford to pay back.
They will continue to do so as long as the people are pitted on being a party loyalist instead of an American. All the leaders should be run out of DC at best and hung for treason at best.
If the premise were true, then Geithner must have been one of the unhappiest person earth.
In response to Allison (comment #125), the top tax bracket under Carter was 70%, not 90%.
The highest rate ever was 1944-1945 (World War II) when the top bracket was 94%.
Reagan reduced taxes from 70% to 33% for the top tax bracket, but at the expense of almost tripling the national debt from $1 trillion to about $2.8 trillion. Why did no one back then, especially Republicans, say anything about future generations having to pay that debt?
In response to Jim, #133, you are right that both parties are responsible, although not equally, for our unconscionable national debt. One thing that certainly is NOT responsible for the debt is the 1981 tax cut. After that cut took effect our economy soared out of the Nixon-Ford-Carter recession and stayed strong through two minor recessions for over 25 years. Federal revenues soared but unfortunately so did federal spending- most notably in the 12 years we were dumb enough to put a Bush in the White House. The best years were 1995-2001 when we had a Democrat in the White House and a Republican Congress. Go figure. Maybe it's time to elect some Libertarians.
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