It was my good fortune to catch the elevator in the Wardman with Dr. Lawrence Yun last week. As we strolled to the Omni we exchanged pleasantries - I was greatly looking forward to his Economic Update on Thursday morning. When he noted where I was from he lit up - 'Oh, I know Riverside County - it's one of the areas I study to gage the market.' He proceeded to describe our market as he saw it and was solicitous of stats pertaining to Southwest County. His summary of our area was right on the mark and I was impressed at the detail in his commentary. That he monitors our area - I don't know if that's good or bad.

lawrence yunAs usual, Dr. Yun's presentation was well attended and comprehensive - at least I was impressed. Of course I used to enjoy David Lareah too so what do I know. I realize Dr Yun doesn't have the most sterling reputation for perspicacity but I always find him enjoyable and - if you factor in his advice with that of 3 or 4 other experts you'll either get somewhat closer to the truth or you'll get stark raving bull goose looney. So if you take his remarks for what they're worth, you'll still come away with a good education from one of the best. After all, you don't get named one of the nations top 10 economic forecaster by USA Today by being wrong all the time. If you can't learn something from this man, you can't learn at all. 

Anyway, you can watch a video of his morning meeting here: Mid-year Economic Summit - Dr. Lawrence Yun.

Or if you would like a PPT copy of his slides, check here: Mid-year Economic Summit - Presentation.

But for the condensed version, touching briefly on the highlights and the lowlights as well as the inevitable running commentary from your host - read on:

Dr. Yun began his remarks asking if we are on the cusp of a recovery or are we poised to head even further down as the job market sours. His prognosis? We will see the nationwide jobless rate grow to 10.5% by late this year followed by a generally recovering economy with that recovery stretching over several years. But he warned that the recovery could, COULD, be quite robust. More on that later. Early summer will be the test period. By then a number of factors will occur that will shape the next 12 - 18 months. Things like the sliding labor market, the impact of the commercial real estate market, banks that have money that won't lend or banks that have no money lending, the potential tsunami of new foreclosures, things like that. But he acknowledged there are lots of moving parts and the outlook is cloudier than ever before. I felt better right away. 

Nationwide the level of sales is back to 1997-1998 levels. From a peak of over 7 million units in 2005, sales were under 5 million units in 2008. But as he also pointed out, we have 30 million more people than we did then and that points to a pent-up demand. We also need 1.3 - 1.7 million new units every year and the past two years we've produced only half that many. Again, the need is there. As you look at the historic trendline and note the sharp spike up from 2004 - 2007, we have dropped back down to what would be considered a normal position on that trendline. Unfortunately just as we spiked up, we are now overshooting downward. This yo-yoing effect is what may produce a very strong recovery, a sling-shot recovery. Any further declines will be the result of over-correction.

Yun also pointed out that prices never really got out of line in several major markets across the country. But as the slump drags on, even those markets are suffering from the perception that their properties are overvalued. He does believe that some states like California have reached a tipping point. Price bottoming is occurring, people know it's a great time to buy but they don't feel that feeding frenzy yet. There are several factors that could push the button to get that tipped including: 

1) pent-up demand

2) banks loosening their purse strings to a more normal stricture. 

3) the lowest interest rates since Eisenhower was President

4) aging population aquiring 2nd homes 

5) the new Baby Boom (did you know the HS graduating class of 2010 will be the LARGEST graduating class ever. Who's going to be selling them homes in 10 - 15 years.) 

6) another 30 million prospects from the BRIC countries (Brazil, Russia, India, China). As the economies of these nations improve they will add 30 million people to their middle class - people whose goal with their newfound wealth is to acquire a vacation home in the United States. 

Yun briefly chimed in on the 'Too Big To Fail' issue noting that 75% of our assets are owned by just 10 banks. Are they too big? He also opined that sometimes those too big to fail are also too big to govern. Should those 10 banks be broken into smaller, mopre responsive units and should the government do the same thing with Fannie & Freddie? In addition to lending institutions, he specifically noted the economies of California and New York as prime examples of this dichotomy - too big to fail / too big to manage

He concluded his remarks by noting that that the global economy truly is here to stay. Fiscal Isolationism is no longer possible nor will it produce the results we need. He also stated to 'Demography is Destiny', you may dispute some of the particulars or debate the timeframe but the fact is there's a whole new demographic coming into play and you can call them GenX or Y or whatever but they are the new, improved and supersized Baby Boomers. 

Finally he left with  words of caution. No matter how the market looks to you at the time - STAY WITHIN YOUR BUDGET.

 
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20 Comments on NAR Mid-Year - Dr. Lawrence Yun

MAY
20
2009
339,635 Points 5 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog

GREAT GREAT GREAT information .. thanks for the give the update/

8:21pm • #1
569,437 Points 1 Featured Post Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp

Wonderful advice too bad more of us did not follow it. Staying with in your budget is good right up to the federal budget.

9:43pm • #2
228,623 Points Attended Rain Camp

Hi Gene, You were fortunate to be with this man.  Thank you this grea t blog.

10:17pm • #3
MAY
21
2009
1,951,316 Points 478 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Sorry Dr. Yun.  You failed to factor in an important component of our economy, i.e., the 20,000,000 American home owners who will not participate in the housing market, the retail market, the education market or the automobile market for the next 10 years.  They will, by necessity buy only necessities of life to preserve their credit and survive.   These home owners' budgets are consumed by the mortgage payments on homes that now have a market value of about half of what the owners owe.  Forecasts for real estate appreciation offer no hope for these home owners' recovery and ability to join the American economy for a decade or more.  They are prisoners of their homes and the deeds of trust and notes that require that they pay for about twice the value of the security for the notes. 

I have not yet seen an economic report or prognosticator that reflected this consumer contraction.  The economic prognosticators appear capable of only looking at numbers of people but not the economic viability of those numbers.  What happens to their forecasts if they reduce the number of consumers by about 20%?????

 

6:11am • #4
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"Fiscal Isolationism is no longer possible "It is a hard pill to swallow for the USA . . .companies will pay more attention to world demand in China India, South America . . our economy was reset and it will take a long time for us to be " The Player" once again.

6:58am • #5
1,392,987 Points 28 Featured Posts Hit Router Called Shot Master

Gene, thanks for the information.  Like Lenn, I'm a little skeptical about his predictions, but I like to get the opinions of all the players.  With Dr. Yun, it's always important to keep in mind that his paycheck comes from NAR.

7:22am • #6
759,106 Points 13 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp

Nice post and unfortunately does not take into account the reality of this economy. Those pent up folks may want to buy along with the second home guys but they cannot

7:26am • #7
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Let me know when the NAR hires Peter Schiff to speak at one of their meetings. I may even attend. It doesn't take an economist to know that housing prices have exceeded the income level or the average american. Either housing prices must come down or inflation must push the wages higher. But, "stay within your budget" is what I expect to hear from a PhD or an MBA graduate.

thanks for the update

7:30am • #8
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I think it's wise to listen to many folks and make our choices from there. He's has some valid points and some we'l just have to play wait and see for a couple of years.   Thanks for posting this and keeping us in the loop.

7:48am • #9
164,839 Points 1 Featured Post Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Called Shot Master

I love this post!  It was very interesting and informative.  As always, Dr. Yun seems to be right on target with his information.  Happy blogging.

8:07am • #10
291,721 Points 15 Featured Posts

Personally I don't miss David Lereah. Had I followed his advice in Are you missing out on the current real estate boom, I would be digging ditches. FYI, good luck to all Californians on your budget mess. You ended with, stay within your budget and I just read in the LA Times about your $21.6 Billion shortfall this year. I would love to see a blog post by you about this. California's problems affect us all.

8:30am • #11
153,983 Points Outside Blog

Hi Gene, Good post. Thanks for sharing.

Best - Sash

8:50am • #12
121,127 Points 3 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor

Gene - Thanks for the great information.  I always read his releases when they come from NAR.  One has to consider his postion - one size doesn't fit all when it comes to real estate in every nook and cranny of the nation.  General trends are interesting, and his information certainly applies for the majority of the markets.  Everyone should adapt it locally to their own market.  Very nice post with nice insight and a lot of information.

9:12am • #13
464,155 Points 1 Featured Post

Interesting blog today.  I'm not sure of the economic situation and not many are.

Patricia Aulson/Portsmouth NH Real Estate

10:57am • #14
223,809 Points 35 Featured Posts

I agree with you all that we must always keep in mind that Dr. Yun's paychecks come from NAR (us). In his defense he did address some of the issues and concerns that Lenn and some of the rest of you had but I was striving for brevity so tried to catch only the most notable remarks. (this is brevity? That's why I don't Twitter). Check his PPT presentation for more info on the job outlook and breakdowns by economic tier.

But by the same token he does not specifically address some of the other issues. It's almost like we're starting from square one today and and anybody who buys into this market will do well. A lot of people out here (SoCal) are underwater by 50% and it's going to be a long slog until they are back on solid ground. In the meanwhile, there is that whole up-side down shadow economy that the rest of us have to work with.

11:51am • #15
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Joe - I will be posting my impressions of the recent California vote. I'm having dinner with our Senate Minority Leader tomorrow evening. As the Senator who lead the charge against the compromise that put these measures on the ballot, and who was swept into his leadership role in a coup by his conservative members just a few months ago, I'm really looking forward to talking with him and will follow up on that as well.

I'm hoping this isn't just a one-time shot at revolution, that California will continue to take the steps necessary to wrest control of our legislature back from the public unions, and the the revolt truly has legs to spread across the country - for the future of us all.

11:56am • #16
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Gene,

This is a really well written post but I tend to respectfully disagree with a lot of Yun's points.

1.)  I don't know why people continue to point to pent up demand when homeownership rates are well, well, above historic norms.  We are in the middle of a homeownership bubble deflating.

2.)  While I agree with him about household formation and the need for about 1.5 million units every year, what gets lost in translation is the fact that nearly 2 million foreclosures have been and will be hitting the market for the next three years.

3.)  If demand for real estate is as weak as it is now with housing affordability at record highs, what happens when rates start going up?

4.)  I don't see banks loosening their credit standards for mortgages until housing values stop falling and I don't see housing values to stop falling because of #2.

 

10:32pm • #18
MAY
22
2009

Thank you for a well thought out post of Dr. Yun's "thoughts" in brevity.  Many good points and I would love to believe, but alas, I'm not that optimistic that a recovery will be forthcoming in that time frame.  Toooooo many other facts, factors and ponderbles.  I pray my thoughts are wrong but I feel this will be dragging on for quite some time in many areas of the country.

I'll be looking forward to your post on the CA saga.  It doesn't appear at this moment that CA will be getting an Obama "bailout".

Sue

12:37am • #19

Opps -- I just noticed that since I visited ActiveRain last (a week or 2) my/our picture has dissapeared as well as our Blog footer!!  I'll have to do searches for ActiveRain changes.

Sue

Sue Nett
12:40am • #20

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