What? You have no money down for your mortgage?

no down money How do we judge those that put no money down? Do the sellers want to see more down? Do realtors get nervous when a buyer puts no money down? Tom Burris states, does that buyer get judged more than they should just based on their down payment?

So, when is the best time to put no money down on your purchase of a new home? Does this make you a bad borrower if you have no money down?

In all reality, there are so many ways to finance your new home. The first thing your loan officer should be doing is asking your goals. Asking you such questions as:

  • How long do you plan on living in your house. (now, you can't tell the future, but some people know if they are going to live there for life or move in 2 to 3 years)
  • How much do you want your payment to be..... and don't say free.
  • How much money do you have to work with? This is the most interesting question of all. I'll be exploring your options based on this question and why.

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 Okay, so you tell me that you have $50,000 to work with. Common sense would say to put down at least $30,000. Using $25,000 for your down payment and $5,000 for your closing costs. 

 If you bought a house for $250,000 and mortgaged it for $225,000 at 6.5% for 30 years, your payment would be $1,422 a month just for PI. (principal & interest)

If you bought the same house and put no money down, financing the full amount of $250,000, at 6.75% for 30 years, your P & I payment would be $1,621 a month.

For arguments sake, that is a difference of $200 a month. And keep in mind, this is based on no points and if you have a good credit score of 660 or above. And now you tell yourself that you would be saving $2,400 a year. WOW.  But is it wow....?

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                                               What to do with the extra money?

A good loan officer is going to have the knowledge and experience in regards to what types of programs are out there. They will ask about your goals as mentioned above, and essentially act as a financial planner in a certain sense. Not telling you were to place your money, but to give you options. Again,what can we do with this extra money? 

  • Talk to a financial planner. *** If you have a rate under 7%, you should be able to invest your money in medium to high risk stocks, that would give you a better return. You will also be writing more interest off because of the larger loan amount.
  • By putting no money down, you could now take $25,000 to buy an investment property. Now you have rental income and another tax write off. And also building more equity.
  • Money left over? You now have EMERGENCY money. You hear so many foreclosure stories (by Robert Ashby). Reasons why this might happen? Too many too list. But how about loss of job? Major medical bills? Now you have money to fall back on.

 

 


Conclusion : So many of us listen to our parents from the past. Meaning that it was told to you to pay off your house as soon as possible. Remember, back in the 70's and 80's rates ranged from 12% to 18%. Let your house work for you. Don't work for your house. Instead of putting a larger down payment, you can always put extra down on principal if you want to pay it down. But you have the flexibility of doing this, without having your money tied up in the house. If you ever needed this money back, the only way to get this money out is to refinance (cash-out), a home equity loan, or to sell the house. 

Another major note : If in question about a buyer if they bring you a pre-qual that says no money down, don't hesitate to ask the loan officer several questions. If they are good enough, they should be able to set your mind at ease. And if they are able to supply a pre-approval letter, this is the best thing possible. Basically it should be in the form of a commitment letter. This means that an underwriter as already looked at the file and approved the loan. 

Lastly, I mentioned financial planners. Sit down with your financial planner and or accountant for investing purposes and tax purposes. But a very good and creative loan officer should be able to guide you in the right direction. 

 

UPDATE & a FYI : For those money geeks (Brian Brady, Bill A., and Robert Ashby) and those into stats, this is not to the penny. Meaning, I didn't talk about the PMI options and as Donna Harris mentioned....how long until you recoup your money and a few other things. This was just a generalization about those who believe buyers with no money are bad buyers or not positive buyers.

And Brian Brady has 2 different twists that fit into what I am trying to describe in this post : SHAKE YOUR ASS-ets baby!

 

30 Comments on What? You have no money down for your mortgage?

Great information, thanks for taking the time to srare all of that.

05/28/2007 10:33 AM by Ahwatukee Real Estate Expert, Dawn Workman, MBA (DPR Realty, LLC)


Hey Jeff!  Great Blog.  I'm surprised you didn't mention about the time to make up the difference.  To have a $200 a month higher payment, it takes 125 months to make up $25k, which is over 10 years.  I think it makes more sense to pay the extra $200 a month, have a higher interest rate for tax deduction and keep the $25k in your pocket to do repairs, upgrades, or other investments.

05/28/2007 10:57 AM by Donna Harris, ASP (Re/Max HiNet)


Only 10% of my buyer's have a bunch of money to put down. Majority of my client's are military and while relocation they do not have a bunch of money to put down. They do have their VA benefits and have housing allowance so more are inclined to buy rather than throw away that extra money on rent. ....and they most likely will be here no more than 3 years. And WooHoo to saving that extra for emergency money. 

05/28/2007 11:02 AM by Celeste "SALLY" Cheeseman (RA), HAWAII Real Estate & HAWAII Relocation (Century 21 Liberty Homes -Mililani, Hawaii)


I keep getting realtors telling me that they've instructed their buyers to bring more... when they really should bring less!

I have one client now that wanted to buy and keep a LOW mortgage just in case when Just in case of a hurricane, a health issue, prolonged lifespan would have created a major cash shortage in the future.

there are too many "financial experts" out there saying that $0 down is the devil - but really it is a smarter method for many than it is given credit for...

good points JB

05/28/2007 11:23 AM by Boca Raton Florida & Boynton Beach Florida Mortgage Loans


Jeff great post.  It really would depend where you are financially.

05/28/2007 12:27 PM by My Favorite Mortgage.net - Matthew J Blum


Jeff--I think the important thing about your post is to remind sellers and their agents not negatively judge a 0 down buyer--there can be many reasons for their choice to do this and not all are because they are on the edge. Good of you to explain some of the reasoning for this option!

05/28/2007 02:01 PM by Teri Eckholm, RealtorĀ® Anoka County MN (Keller Williams Premier Realty)


Dawn..... my pleasure, I hope it helped some.

Donna..... I actually wanted to keep this as short as possible without making it too boring and too long. I did go back and mention this really quick after your comment. Thanks and thanks for your feedback.... and thanks for the compliment.

Sally..... VA is a great program if you can use it. Some people don't realize that you don't even need to be a Vet to use VA financing. That's if the house is being sold by the VA.

David P. ....... hey, we love realtors, but in all honesty, they need to let the loan officer's handle the financing decisions. I agree, there are too many so-called "financial experts" out there. AKA...  parents, father-in-law....friends, some realtors, etc etc. As I stated, a very good loan officer is either going to have the CMPS designation or just very good with being creative and understanding mortgages and money. Thanks for your input and for the compliment.

Matthew....... yes, I agree. It does depend where you are financially. But even if you have a lot of money, it doesn't mean you should just sock it back into the house..... at least upfront. Thanks for that polite compliment.

Teri......  as stated, I agree, not judging the "book" by its cover per se. Thanks for stopping by and for your feedback.

05/28/2007 02:23 PM by Jeff Belonger -- The FHA Expert.com -- FHA Loans -- FHA mortgages -- Mortgages (Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc)


Jeff, I'm in the same opinion as Matthew. But also If i were saving $200 a month by placing that much down. I might explore other avenues to see If I might gain that much if I invested it. If not by all means go with the down payment.

05/28/2007 03:09 PM by Danny Smith (DISCOVER TEXAS HOMES)


Danny.....  I agree. Hence the reason why I mentioned that I would need to know the clients goals to make any type of decision and give my professional opinion. Besides, the numbers might be off some. But my main point was to let realtors and sellers know that not all 100% financing can be negative.  thanks for your feedback.

05/28/2007 04:09 PM by Jeff Belonger -- The FHA Expert.com -- FHA Loans -- FHA mortgages -- Mortgages (Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc)


Great post Jeff!  Thanks for sharing this valuable info with us "oldsters" who were trained by our "really" old parents to save money to put on a downpayment.  I still have my doubts as to who actually takes that money they aren't putting down and invests it elsewhere.  Doesn't using the money for making improvements on the house you're buying defeat the purpose of this strategy?  Still alittle slow on this stuff so thanks for sharing through the eyes of a mortgage rep.

 

 

05/28/2007 04:25 PM by Pascack Valley Real Estate>> Lisa and Robert Hammerstein (Coldwell Banker)


It doesn't make sense to put money down in Texas..... They cap the home equity loans at 80% LTV.

Big brother is gonna protect me from investing MY MONEY!!!

05/28/2007 06:32 PM by Tom Burris | Texas Home Loan Expert (DallasLoanGuy.com)


Lisa..... I would hope more people would read this one. Well, if you ever have questions on this, please don't hesitate to ask. And thanks for those kind words.

Tom... well, I wouldn't think it would matter in any state that you are in. I know the guidelines are different in Texas,but more so on cash-out loans. Thanks for stopping by.

                                                                                                        

05/28/2007 08:58 PM by Jeff Belonger -- The FHA Expert.com -- FHA Loans -- FHA mortgages -- Mortgages (Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc)


Jeff, good points.  I think it would be wise to have people talk these things through with a good financial planner.  You really need to look at the total financial picture in order to determine what option might be most beneficial.

05/28/2007 09:12 PM by Tim . (HomeAtlanta.com)


If I turned my nose up at 100% borrowers...I'd be 100% broke!

05/28/2007 10:51 PM by Joan Mirantz- Concord New Hampshire Realtor (Keeler Family Realtors)


Excellent post Jeff and a tribute to how we should go about determining clients needs vs. wants vs. goals in what is the best financing for their situation and long-term agenda.  100% Financing has gotten a bad rap at times but will continue to have its place and make sense for a lot of people. 

FYI - Five Stars From Yours Truly!

05/29/2007 12:18 AM by Jason Sardi, Pennsylvania Mortgage Broker (First Choice Equity Group Inc.)


Tim.... I agree in regards to a financial planner, but only about what they could do with the extra money. They should first sit with a loan officer to get several scenarios. The only problem with this is that I have seen a few financial planners tell them to put more money down, taking the safer bet. Being more traditional not exploring other options. Just as I mentioned in this post. Thanks for the compliment. 

Joan.... that is very true for so many realtors. But even those that are listing agents, why should it matter as much. Even with the foreclosure rate?  They keep talking about how some homes have no equity in them now. The problem that I have with this is that usually a house is bought to live in it for more than 5 years. Not 2 years...   part of their perception is because the loan officer put them into a 2 years adjustable promising the world.

Jason.....  you are exactly correct....  needs vs wants.... and the overall picture being their goals.  Thanks for those very polite compliments.

05/29/2007 08:35 AM by Jeff Belonger -- The FHA Expert.com -- FHA Loans -- FHA mortgages -- Mortgages (Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc)


Jeff B - I disagree with the CMPS... no one outside the industry really knows what it is.  I'm sure people that have it are great but I don't have it and it isn't hurting me either.  No one's ever said to me, "I'll only work with a CMPS"

I agree and wrote a post about all the financial advisors that get called in the case of a mortgage... most licensed financial advisors still don't know about mortgages!

I dealt with a financial advisor this weekend and we definitely saw eye to eye!!

 

05/29/2007 10:18 AM by Boca Raton Florida & Boynton Beach Florida Mortgage Loans


David..... thanks for your input and feedback. I didn't mean that you had to be a CMPS....  but it can help those that haven't been in the business long enough to have experienced all of the different ways to finance their clients. As you mentioned in your advice to David Boone in regards to a loan officer needing help. You stated that a lot of this business is trial by fire. I agree.... so, taking these types of courses and or classes can help. That is what I meant by this. I don't have this designation and I can probably do a better job than 75%. Again, it goes hand and hand with experience.  Thanks for your input...

05/29/2007 10:28 AM by Jeff Belonger -- The FHA Expert.com -- FHA Loans -- FHA mortgages -- Mortgages (Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc)


Joan brings up a good point.

I have seen many turn up their noses at 100% financing..... but I bet they don't turn down buyers.

 

05/29/2007 09:21 PM by Tom Burris | Texas Home Loan Expert (DallasLoanGuy.com)


A lot depends on the area.. in my area we don't do a lot of 100% financing.. in fact I hadn't had anyone do one for about 10 years until 5 years ago.. and I have only done 2 since then.. sellers are very leery of buyers who don't have any money down in the more affluent communities.. they also don't want to pay closing costs for these buyers so it can be very difficult trying to find a seller who will accomodate the buyer..

05/29/2007 09:29 PM by Manhattan Beach CA/ e-PRO..... Kaye Thomas... (Real Estate West)


Tom.....  that's a very good point.  Thanks for sharing this and adding to Joan's comment.

Kaye.... sure, a lot has to do with area and the value of the property..... the sales price. But seller's also need to be educated in regards to giving up seller help. Sure, most buying at and or over $500,000 should have some money. But if a client was asking for $650,000 originally... and they have accepted a $630,000 offer. They could still give $20,000 in seller help and sell the place for $650,000. It just goes to presentation at times. And I am sure for the most part they will read into this, the seller. But if you are in a slow market, one sell could that their house could sit on the market for 2 more months costing them more money.  3 things....

  • they are paying a mortgage. 
  • the value of the house could go down a tad
  • lastly...... rates could go up and even just a 1/4% on $500,000 can be a lot of money. Gee, rates have gone up about 3/8% in the last month alone.
In any case, thanks for stopping by.... and for your feedback and for your input.

05/29/2007 10:29 PM by Jeff Belonger -- The FHA Expert.com -- FHA Loans -- FHA mortgages -- Mortgages (Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc)


A great post and source of information, Jeff...as always. I love reading your stuff.

This raises some interesting questions about buyers who don;t have much money for a down payment and how sellers respond. Certainly with all the recent news there is much more of a bias, I think, toward those without deposit money, even if they can very well afford the mortgage. Thanks for your thoughts. You've been bookmarked, again.

Jeff

05/29/2007 11:04 PM by Jeff Dowler ~ Carlsbad Real Estate (RE/MAX Associates)


Figured I'd stop by seeming as you think I've been in hiding - I haven't by the way :)

Great post. I just wish that people who shouldn't be able to buy a house (bad credit/low income, etc) wouldn't be able to.

Well you know my frustrations about it.

I'm glad that 100% financing is available for those who SHOULD be buying houses with low down, can take advantage of it & put their cash to better use in another investment vehicle.

05/30/2007 08:41 AM by Cape Coral Real Estate Broker | Susan Milner | Florida-Future-Realty.com (Florida Future Realty, Inc.)


Jeff D. ...... it has always raised concerns about clients that don't have much money saved. And yes, one thing that pops into a underwriter's head is if something were to go wrong with the house, they wouldn't have the money to fix it. But again, realtors and sellers shouldn't be focusing on this and offers with nothing down for the mortgage. If it's a respectable lender, it shouldn't matter. Thanks for stopping by and for your polite comments.

Susan......  yes, I know your frustrations on this subject. The problem with that is the fact that sometimes the lender over-promises a client and it can turn a deal into a nightmare for all, including the realtors and the seller. But we can't look at it just for the fact that the client has bad credit. Define bad.....  I have done many of loans for people with so so to bad credit. They still own their homes. My point, many of these problems stem from the loan officer involved, not knowing what they are doing or trying to make a quick buck... not caring what kind of loan that they are putting their client into.

Thanks for stopping by and for your input and feedback... and for the compliment. 

05/31/2007 08:13 AM by Jeff Belonger -- The FHA Expert.com -- FHA Loans -- FHA mortgages -- Mortgages (Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc)


Hi Jeff - I included this post in this week's Localism Week in Review.  You did a great job with this post for consumers!

Ann

06/03/2007 08:42 PM by Portsmouth NH Real Estate ~ Ann Cummings (RE/MAX Coast to Coast - Portsmouth New Hampshire)


Jason..... just every once in a while?  ;o)   Again, thanks for your original comments.

Ann.....  thank you very much. I truly appreciate this, for including me in your post, and for your compliment. Much appreciative....

06/04/2007 02:46 PM by Jeff Belonger -- The FHA Expert.com -- FHA Loans -- FHA mortgages -- Mortgages (Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc)


I couldn't think of anything that hasn't already been said.  Just wanted you to know that I stopped by... <g>  With the cost of living in California many buyers (especially first timers)  have no other alternative than to put little to no money down. 

I think it's a good idea to leverage their assest if they can manage it. 

06/04/2007 09:49 PM by Chrystina Tovani - Sacramento Metro Living (RealtyOne)


Jeff,

I cannot believe that I missed this post, and you even mentioned me, thanks.  I feel so ashamed I took so long to comment here, but here it goes.

Excellent post and I think you hit everything major that people need to know either in the post, or it was added in the comments.  I don't know what else to say, except its OK not to be to the penny, just to the dollar...lol.

06/05/2007 12:56 PM by Robert D. Ashby, CMPS - Solid Rock Mortgage Corporation


Chrystina......  I totally agree, especially with California and the higher homes prices. It will be interesting to see what FHA does shortly. Well, in this case, they are waiting for Congress to meet and give their yes or no.

Robert.....  thank you very much for those very nice compliments. Especially from someone that truly knows how this works and understands the meaning behind saving.... investments, and how to maximize your dollar. 

 

06/05/2007 05:58 PM by Jeff Belonger -- The FHA Expert.com -- FHA Loans -- FHA mortgages -- Mortgages (Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc)


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