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$8,000 First Time Homebuyer Tax Credit - Approved by FHA/HUD 5-29-09 - But buyer BEWARE !!!

Reblogger Lenn Harley
Real Estate Agent with Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate 303829;0225082372

O.K. FOLKS, IT'S HERE.  THE HUD LETTER TELLING YOU HOW YOUR BUYERS CAN USE THE $8,000 TAX CREDIT.

Use it for the 3.5% required down payment.  NOT!

Use it for additional down payment over the required 3.5%.  YES.

Use it for closing costs.  YES.

Read Jeff's post below.  It's important.  There would be a large numbr of red faces at HUD this a.m., if they had the ability to admit that they were wrong. 

Of course, I could be wrong.  It wouldn't be the first time.

Below is the pertinent paragraph in the Mortgagee Letter.

"Accordingly, the proceeds of the sale of the tax credit to FHA approved mortgagees, the seller, or any other person or entity that financially benefits from the transaction (or any third party or entity that is reimbursed, directly or indirectly, by the financing benefiting person or entity), may not be used to meet the 3.5% minimum downpayment, but may beused as additional downpayment, buying down of interest rate, or other closing costs."

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Original content by Jeff Belonger

Tax credit for first time homebuyers

 

 

BUYER BEWARE of Tax Credit

 

The first time homebuyers tax credit of $8,000 has been approved by HUD for all FHA loans. But don't get too excited too quickly. If you get a chance to read the mortgagee letter, ML 2009-15, it states that you can't use this tax credit for the required down payment of 3.5%.

HUD originally put out mortgagee letter 2009-15 on May 12th, but was rescinded the next day. Please read about that here : $8,000 tax credit rescinded by HUD. For some reason, it was prematurely placed on HUD's web site, but apparently wasn't finalized. Now we have a new version and if not read correctly, you could be putting misinformation out there. So what does the new mortgagee letter state?

 

 

 

Here is the positive part about the tax credit. You can receive the first time homebuyers tax credit upfront, but not through the IRS.  This would be illegal. Please read : It's illegal to receive your tax credit before you close on your homeBuyers - BEWARE, please read that, because too many people are saying that you can get the money directly from the IRS prior to closing. The IRS & HUD both say no!!!

So how can you receive this upfront?  It can be given to you as a second or a silent second from any Federal, State, or local agencies, and any FHA mortgagee or any FHA approved non-profit organization.  People, in layman's terms, this is already acceptable by HUD's standards, except for the lender that is now able to give the monies upfront in a form of a 2nd mortgage. Another terminology is that this can be an advance loan from any of the entities mentioned above.

 

 

Summary :  Essentially, this means that the entities mentioned above, are purchasing this tax credit on your behalf and giving it back to you. The short version of this is that you can use some of the money from the $8,000 Tax Credit as your down payment, but after you put down the first 3.5% of that down payment. Meaning, you have to come up with 3.5% of your own money still. With FHA loans, it can still be a gift from a relative/family member.  It also can come from non-profit or government agencies to be used as your initial down payment, but not used through the tax credit. Overall, the tax credit that is advanced, can be used for all closing costs. But you can't receive monies back at closing. 

And again, keeping in mind, it's illegal to receive this tax credit upfront directly from the IRS. There is more verbiage in the mortgagee letter 2009-15 , but the main point is that you have to have 3.5% of the downpayment yourself, before you can use the tax credit that would be 'loaned' to you.

 

 

THOUGHTS??? - Well, in all honesty, how does this truly help? What is the gov't thinking here? As a buyer, I would still need the initial 3.5% of my monies for the down payment. Again, needing money to buy. I know some of you are for this fact, that buyers should have skin in the game. But keep in mind, this was not the true demise to our foreclosure mess. We need to sell houses to keep this economy going.  Just my opinions and food for thought.  thanks

 

 

 

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Comments(12)

Brian Schulman
Coldwell Banker Residential Brokerage, Lancaster PA - Lancaster, PA
Lancaster County PA RealEstate Expert 717-951-5552

Lenn, I've been getting conflicting reports on this.  My gut feeling is that the more conservative interpretation (i.e., what you and Jeff just recommended) is the best way to stay out of trouble down the road.

May 29, 2009 06:13 AM
William Johnson
Retired - La Jolla, CA
Retired

Hi Lenn, Thanks for sharing Jeff new post on the new letter. It does seem to be very clear in its scope and detail. Jeff is quite good with these issues as they pertain to his own personal passion for excellence.

In many ways though, the new HUD letter doesn't really do what seemed to be the intent of the first letter that was withdrawn. Since it can be used as an augmentation of the required 3.5% down but useless for that purpose by itself, do you suppose this new letter was an attempt to just "save  face" since they couldn't unring the bell of what they said in the first letter. Perhaps much ado about nothing really new. If a qualifying Buyer and used the credit for closing costs- in order not to defraud the lender, it would for most new buyers mean actually getting less since the closing costs wouldn't necessarily be that high. Maybe best to wait and get the full benefit on the tax form.

May 29, 2009 06:33 AM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Brian.  I don't see a conflict at all.

It clearly says that the buyer must have their 3.5% of their own money unless gifted from an authorized sourde.  That has not changed one bit. 

What has changed is that the mortgagee can buy the tax credit from the buyer and the buyer can use the proceeds for additional down payment or closing costs.

Let's face it.  Donovan put his foot in his mouth and is using this authority to save face.

 

May 29, 2009 06:35 AM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

William.  See my answer to Brian Schulman which I was writing about the time you wrote this.

I believe it is totally a "save face" move.  They couldn't let the buyer use the money for down payment because it isn't legal.  It would require a change in the law. 

They don't have time for that.  They've got their hands full killing off businesses, collecting tax money and sending it to banks, violating bankruptcy law, protecting ACORN, planning the national health system under control of the government, driving up the cost of fuel so Al Gore can make a bundle with his Green Machines Cartel, etc., etc.

 

May 29, 2009 06:40 AM
Lisa Hill
Florida Property Experts - Daytona Beach, FL
Daytona Beach Real Estate

I've been waiting to read what you or Jeff had to say about this, since I started seeing anouncements that the $8000 tax credit was available again. Thanks for keeping is updated!

May 29, 2009 07:06 AM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Lisa.  It's all over the business news.  WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.

May 29, 2009 07:40 AM
Jeff Belonger
Social Media - Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc - Cherry Hill, NJ
The FHA Expert - FHA Loans - FHA mortgages - USDA loans - VA Loans

Lenn.... thank you very much for reblogging this, for getting it out to the public and to your readers....  and for the kind words.

As I said from day one, I didn't see this changing.  And you are right in saying that we can assume that Donovan put more than his foot in his mouth.  And thanks for hitting on so many other issues that is probably why they couldn't spend more time on this...  one of the biggest issues such as the Acorn mess. 

Overall, I have seen this as problem, giving of the tax credit, since the 2nd month of 2008, when they put out the $7,500 bill.  My problem... you still need money to buy, and then to receive the money.  Well, good old HUD just confirmed that for me today.  hhhmmm...   and it took over a year to delay things and now confuse things?  As Lenn stated, it's illegal... but HUD can control that and ask Congress.  My disappointed is that when Congress approved this, they probably never considered this issue, on how and where people would get the money prior to the tax credit. Whoops, you need common sense for that.  ;o)

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May 29, 2009 09:16 AM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Right you are Jeff. 

I do not believe for one minute that the operatives on the hill even understand that the FHA home buyer cannot borrow their down payment. 

I kept asking "Who's going to sign the gift letter".

You've been on top of this thing from the beginning. 

 

May 29, 2009 09:39 AM
Laurie Mindnich
Centennial, CO

So if a listing agent counsels their seller properly...no closing costs are going to be paid for FHA buyers, because FHA is giving closing costs to them, already. Such a deal- the buyer gets 8k less from a seller; but FHA creates confusion that will make MANY transactions an absolute nightmare. Maybe they can apply the 8k to a portion of the under-appraised value, when that happens, and let the buyer overpay for the property with the 8k. Good plan.

 

May 29, 2009 01:19 PM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Laurie.  Your comment just points out the unnecessary complexity and worthlessness of the entire idea of tapping the tax rebate.

 

May 29, 2009 09:58 PM
Mark Watterson
Salt Lake City, UT
Utah Real Estate

This subject continues to be misunderstood and more complex than seems necessary.  I continue to follow the posts on the subject and wonder why it's so misunderstood.

May 30, 2009 01:49 AM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Mark.  I suspect that many are hearing what they want to hear, ala lenders and agents. 

Then I suspect that many believe that they can cover up their monumental goof by throwing a bone to the public.

 

May 30, 2009 06:55 AM