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The Phoenix Market is in Turnaround- So... I'm Flipping Properties

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Real Estate Agent with Chuck Willman 9334967-SA00

I've received a few emails... and even a call or two, asking me what I've been up to lately.

I'm happy to report that, though my blogging output has been sparse, I'm doing very well and staying quite busy through a vastly improved real estate market here in the Phoenix metro area.

Here's the latest:

  • The market has "lost" several months of inventory. Last year the market had over 12 months of inventory- now there's just over five months. Whether this is a momentary blip, or the new trend, remains to be seen. However... if the trend holds, we no longer have a "buyer's market". We would be at equilibrium. If the inventory shrinks by a month, we'd actually have a "seller's market" for the first time in 3.5 years.
  • Homes are selling more quickly and more homes are finding buyers. The "days on market" rate is vastly reduced.
  • Multiple offers are back. I wondered when I'd ever see bidding wars again... well- they're here again.
  • Fix-n-Flips are possible. I've been involved in quite a few lately.
  • Cash Flow properties are much easier to find. It's perhaps the easiest thing to do these days- find low priced homes that can be rented with a significant spread between costs and rental income. The harder part is finding cash flow properties with a great deal of equity... but it can be done. This is our main focus.
  • Though homes are selling more quickly and inventory is greatly reduced, prices are still pretty flat. We can not call our current situation a "recovery" until prices begin to rise significantly.

These trends are all good things for the traditional real estate agent- especially one who works with investors.

What has kept me most busy though- is finding homes at the courthouse steps and flipping them. I've been working with a few groups who specialize in finding pre-foreclosure homes and selling them at wholesale prices. Very often, their pricing beats the bank. It's not uncommon to be able to purchase homes at $10k below the lowest bank owned home in the neighborhood.

Most of the properties we find have at least $20k in potential equity... that means they could be re-sold at prices well below the lowest cost home in a subdivision. For instance, we bought one home last Thursday that we're selling for $109k. It could be sold for $149k and would still be the lowest priced home in the neighborhood.

One may ask, why sell for so low? We have found that it's better to turn the properties quickly than to hold on to them... it's a time-value-of-money equation in which one computes the cost of money vs. buying and holding. Plus- we don't rent the properties... we only flip or fix-n-flip.

Most of our clients are looking for rental properties; others want to fix and flip... and a few want a primary residence. We tend to be able to find something to suit each of these needs.

In the past few months, we've been buying at a rate of one home per week... but last week we picked up two. Since such homes are usually bought at auction, we are unable to sell them via FHA. The FHA has imposed a "seasoning" rule- such homes can not be insured through FHA for 91 days. This is informally called the "anti-flipping rule." However, those who have cash, conventional or VA loans can close quickly. It's doubtful that any of the homes would be available for longer than a month- let alone three. Most are in contract within a week.

If you'd like to know more, feel free to contact me.

Chuck Willman - AZvest - 480.292.0600.

Comments(24)

John Walters
Frank Rubi Real Estate - Slidell, LA
Licensed in Louisiana

Chuck make the money while you can.  I have been so busy my blooging has all but stopped.  I am going to ride it as long as it lasts.  Good for us.

Jun 01, 2009 11:37 AM
Laura Cerrano
Feng Shui Manhattan Long Island - Locust Valley, NY
Certified Feng Shui Expert, Speaker & Researcher

Hi Chuck, I'm glad to hear you're doing well and also involved in the "flips."  Nice to hear that you're busy and making money!

Jun 01, 2009 11:53 AM
Cynthia Tilghman, RealtorĀ® Onslow County NC Home Specialist
Kingsbridge Realty, Inc - Hubert, NC

Hi Chuck,.
We've missed you here in the Rain (I must admit though I've not been here as much recently either).  Your news is wonderful and I hope the trend will move East!

Jun 01, 2009 12:09 PM
Mirela Monte
Buyers' Choice Realty - North Myrtle Beach, SC
Myrtle Beach Real Estate

Chuck:  I've been crazy busy myself, thus less time in the rain.  I had a 4Mil month last month and tons of new deals ahead.  Each deal has lots of contortions before we can close; problems never before encountered.  It makes for an exciting journey, but also for a very tired agent. 

Thank you for posting!  I believe that 5 months worth of inventory is the textbook balance (for neither a seller, nor a buyer's market).   In Myrtle Beach we're still counting our inventory in years, not months, even though we have picked up some speed.  It should be a hot summer.  (BTW, just HOW hot does it get in AZ?)

Jun 01, 2009 01:49 PM
Bettina Settles
Greenwood, IN
Your Indiana Connection

That is good news and hopefully will migrate though the rest of the country very soon.

Bettina

Jun 02, 2009 12:55 AM
Terry Chenier
Homelife Glenayre Realty - Mission, BC

Chuck,

I'm glad to hear that; I've referred several buyers down there.

Jun 02, 2009 09:56 AM
Sharon Lord
Maracay Homes - Peoria, AZ
New Home Advisor

CONGRATS!  Sounds like you have figured out how to adjust to this crazy Phoenix market!  I'd love to do another fix-n-flip, but after my '06 one at a loss, I'm a little bitter....  ;)

Sharon Kotula
Argent Decor
Phoenix Vacation Home Furnishing Service
www.ArgentDecor.com
sharon@argentdecor.com
480-699-7077 Office
480-220-2909  Cell

Jun 02, 2009 12:28 PM
Mara Hawks
First Realty Auburn - Auburn, AL
Inactive-2012 REALTOR - Homes for Sale Auburn Real Estate, AL

You are, as always, brilliant with making lemonade out of lemons...sweet! It even sounds like you are having some fun in this "depressed" market...very innovative, Chuck...well done! thanks for sharing your inspiration.

Jun 02, 2009 01:49 PM
Stacey Champion
Champion Indoor Environmental Services, LLC/Champion Indoors, LLC - Phoenix, AZ

Think about remodeling your "flips" green.  They'll be more desirable to buyers!

Also don't forget about mold assessments for properties that have been sitting vacant or have desperate sellers who may have covered things up...

 

-Stacey Champion, CIE

Certified Indoor Environmentalist

Jun 03, 2009 06:02 AM
Julie Messina
CNN Mortgage - Scottsdale, AZ
CMB

Chuck,

Just what I want to hear... busy is good start to returning to a more normal RE market.  Do you have a prediction for the rate at which properties will start to appreciate in Mesa (3-5% in 2010?).  I get asked all the time, I'm taking a survey...

Julie

Jun 06, 2009 12:09 PM
Georgie Hunter R(S) 58089
Hawai'i Life Real Estate Brokers - Haiku, HI
Maui Real Estate sales and lifestyle info

good for you!  It sounds like flipping would be kind of stressful, but I'm glad you're able to do it.  Don't forget to blog once in a while though!

Jun 08, 2009 12:48 PM
Tracy Royce
Short Sale Arizona, Arizona Short Sale Realtor - Phoenix, AZ
Royce of Real Estate - Short Sale Arizona

Hey Chuck we're seeing the same thing. We probably know the same people down at auction. Glad you're taking advantage of it.

We have short sales with approvals and other wholesale properties too for your end-investor buyers.

Contact me directly or check out our website.

Best,

Tracy

Jun 18, 2009 10:34 AM
Kyle Jan
Scottsdale, AZ
Phoenix AZ Homes for Sale

Chuck,

It is good to hear that you are having success in this market.  kepp it up.

Sep 21, 2009 10:48 AM
Cody Sperber
Clever Investor - Chandler, AZ
CleverInvestor.com

I have been buying 1-2 homes per day down at the auction...let me know if you want to network!  I would love to see your inventory and show you mine.   I focus mainly on long term rentals in good areas of Phoenix under $60,000 but once or twice a month we buy in Mesa, Chandler, Scottsdale, or Gilbert.

Glad to see an agent that changes with the market and still works with investors.

Cheers,

Cody Sperber (AKA Klever Investor)

info at kleverINVESTOR.com

Jan 27, 2010 11:47 PM
Craig Chapman
Call Realty / Access Appraisals - Mesa, AZ
The Value Guy

I have seen an increas in flipping too. This is good for our market, as long as it is done legally of course. 

 However; I have also seen recently that the flattening off of prices that seemed to be going on this winter, appears to be starting its way down again in certain areas of the town.  I have also noted increased numbers of pre-foreclosures in the 90 day period prior to the recorded trustee sale date.  I can only assume this is likely to mean more REOs or short sales on our horizon. Flippers be carefull, if prices start going down much, it could eat up your profits.

Apr 02, 2010 07:43 AM
Tori Toth
Tori Toth, International - Howard Beach, NY
888.667.6643 NYC & Beyond, HSR, SAR, RESA, LIBOR

Chuck, I'm excited to hear the market is starting to finally change in AZ. If you ever need a stager to help flip your homes. Feel free to contact me.

Aug 14, 2010 06:37 AM
Didi Doolittle
Slifer Smith & Frampton Real Estate, Eagle Office - Vail, CO
Vail, CO Realtor 970.232.8225

Chuck, it's nice to hear some good news in AZ.  After 3.5 years of such a difficult market, you must be relieved.

Aug 05, 2011 10:47 AM
TERI LINDSAY
Reno, NV
STAGELIGHT HOME STAGING CO.

Yes.... positive, good news! And, you've got a formula for success. Buying and selling fixers will help get the market back to normal...... thanks for the report and being part of "the solution"...

Sep 04, 2011 06:26 PM
Craig Chapman
Call Realty / Access Appraisals - Mesa, AZ
The Value Guy

The economy & the number of people behind in their payment who are headed for short sales or foreclosures will keep our market in a depressed state for several more years.  Even though investor sales have appeared to ease some valley areas this year, the overall trend has still appeared to be declining prices. I recently read one article that estimated that we are only 1/2 way worked through the foreclosure crisis. Half way, we have a ways to go.  Flips are getting harder to do as more and more people are trying to get into it. Some people I know whow have done quite well doing flips, & buy them straight from the trustee sales, have pretty much given up on anything under $150k, due to too much competition that does not know enough to not bid full market value. Dah!  These are foreclosure homes, AS-IS, Why do people invest in real estate? TO make money. If the prices are not going up & probably won't for a while, why would you pay full price?  Maybe the rent would be more than a payment, one reason, that  is popular with many investors right now. And maybe in the future the prices will go up again, if you have years to sit on your investment while you wait. It can be done, but it is a lot harder than it used to be.  If you don't really know what you are doing, you can easily loose money trying to do a flip these days. Be very carefull & get the current & potential values really checked by someone who is very experienced in real estate valuation.

Nov 19, 2011 08:53 AM
Chuck Willman
Chuck Willman - Alpine, UT
NewHouseUtah.com

Since this blog post is actually about 2 1/2 years old I should updated it:

1) Flips are harder than they used to be- but still possible.

2) Rental properties used to tough to secure for good cash flow... now it's a whole lot easier.

3) The Phoenix market was hit hard by foreclosures... so many of the purchases locally occur through short sale, courthouse auction sales and REO (bank owned) avenues.

4) My group is purchasing many homes at auction- we've bought thousands of properties in the past three years.

I'll be blogging more about all this in the coming days.

Nov 22, 2011 10:05 AM