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Before I attempt to answer that question, interested readers should know something.  I am a loan officer by trade.  That's what they call us.  I don't particularly like that title, but what's in a name?

I don't get paid an hourly wage or a salary.  If I don't close loans, I don't make a dime.  If I don't make a dime, that means I can't eat, drink, or even sleep if I can't afford to make my mortgage payments.  That's not a sales pitch, that's a reality.  It's in my best interests to close every loan that comes under my wing.  While there are ethics involved to ensure you are doing your client right, if I can offer and do a loan for you that puts you in a better financial situation, I want to close your loan as fast as possible.  It's not only in your best interest, but mine as well.

So why is it taking so freaking long?  Good question.  Here's a few observations on my behalf:

  • More volume with less 'able and willing' people to deal with it.  Let's be honest here (I love that line:), the mortgage industry isn't exactly the most attractive line of work to get into now.  To boot, a whole lot have left it.  I'm still here because I'm stubborn and good at what I do.  Plus, I believe you have to go through hell to get to heaven.  Call me selfish, but I think my time here will work out very well in the end.  Even if it doesn't, Economics 101 has us dishing out the phrase, "Too much demand and little in the way of Supply." 
  • Front-end incompetence.  If you are searching for a pre-approval from a lender, get the appropriate documents in order before you ever even fill out an application.  If they don't ask you for such documents, they may have more ties than me.  Either that, or the final result won't be what they promised.  Do yourself a favor, get your W-2's, pay-stubs, bank statements, etc, in order.  If your loan officer doesn't ask for it immediately, ask them why they don't need them.  That will put a spark up their ass.
  • Changes.  This is a tough one.  It's hard to tell someone who is a completely competent borrower, why the area they are in or the house they chose isn't on the "I love to lend in" realm.  The only real advice I have on this one is if you are dealing with someone you trust, they will get you through the current bullshit that is going on.
  • They just don't like you.  Well, we live in a society where that is not acceptable.  Folks actually look at your loan, but you aren't nearly as personal to them as you would like.  I work for a relatively small company and see that.  I can only imagine what working for a large one would entail.  Work with an individual that you trust, that you can reach out to and at least communicate with.  There is a common thing with that, you both share the same self-interests.  He/She gets paid only if your loan closes.  You only get what you desired after paying for an appraisal, maybe an inspection or two, and actually being able to be comfortable within the confines of a few walls that aren't labeled as "Prison".
  • The Government.  Now, I really don't want to wax political or get involved in any sort of debate about policy, parties, or general ideology.  But I already have since mentioning this.  We don't need the Government in this Private Sector.  We didn't need them back then; we don't need them now.  Those of us (I include myself because frankly, this is my business) who know the Real Estate Industry also know how it is to be corrected.  Let's demonstrate how we will make sure such an extreme reaction to market won't happen again.  It's a cycle, learn to ride.

We'll reach those Golden Years, but it takes work and patience.  Why is it taking so long for your loan to close?  Because this ain't a pay-day loan, this is a roof over your head.  Maybe this is the opposite extreme of giving everyone with a pulse a mortgage, yet you know what they I say about extremes... "They are to be avoided."

 

 

 

 
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126 Comments on Why is it taking my loan so freaking long to close?

JUN
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2009
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Yeah really!

Okay, I commented to be first in line and then came back after reading yet another of your excellent articles on the lending process an the jungle of weirdness that it has become.. I have to agree that "Front-end incompetence." is huge because unless lenders stay on top of all this it's just the blind leading the blind and yes, the Govt. is always a good whipping boy BUT we always have to deal with regs. changes, more regs. ad nauseum...SO, it's best to work with someone knowledgeable and competent who does not mind working for a living! Yes...You Rock!

BTW Wheel in the Sky is one of my favorite Journey tunes and Gregg Rollie now lives near Austin, met him recently and he is very cool! Give your lovely gal a hug and tell her I said hello!

12:37pm • #1
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Russell - ... with two L's... What?

12:42pm • #2
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I learned recently just to be patient & educate the buyer/seller that we might not close on time.  There are so many things that have to come to play & less folks doing the work.  I am sure it's a tough job & frustrating at times but I appreciate those that do it!

12:43pm • #3
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HA HA! yeah , I was just parking to be first in line, then read your excellent post and returned to comment!! You do remember that Stone Cold was from Central Texas, near Austin! Have a great weekend my friend!

12:44pm • #4
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Nobody says it quite like you do! This is the hot whine of the times (along with apraisal problems via HVCC) and the public needs to understand that finding the 'right' lender is more crucial than ever. Kristin has the right idea... prepare the client for potential delays and hope for the best.

Hi Russell :)

12:48pm • #5
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Jennifer, Oh...there you are! I still owe you a reply to an email from a couple of weeks back but I have been busier than ever. I have had some time to read a couple of your wonderful posts and watch the two of you being as frisky as ever! It's incredibly refreshing and I think of Jason as the "Ron Jeremy" of lending...Sorry, I could not help myself!!

12:52pm • #6
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Jason.. not that you are one of them But, some of the loan officers I have been dealing with lately ask for something new every few days. It is as if they are making stuff up as they go along. Every time they ask I say so this is the last thing you need right?. Then they call again and say ..the processor asked for____, the condo department wants to see_______, the legal department would like_______. OK... can you ask for everything at the beginning? The answer is we gave the buyer the list of things we needed. OK.... can you give me a list of things you need from me. Or do you prefer to surprise me every time I think you are all set?

Jason... I trust that doesn't happen with your loans, but people I have dealt with for years are asking for things that they never asked for before, and it's always the "LAST THING I NEED".  until the next thing they need.

12:56pm • #7
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Russell- Okay, I get it.  Good job, my man.  You fooled me.  I thought you were willing to collect twenty-five points and call it a day.  But, you actually give a crap on what I have to write.  Whether right or wrong, I appreciate support now and again.  I'm well aware of where Steve Williams (Stone Cold) came from; I'm also wondering if he did or didn't get some reminders from you.  Charisma doesn't come easy.  You have it, ten-fold.

Kristin- This post has to do more with refinances than purchases.  Why in the hell do I have folks in Texas commenting on a post designed for a consumer that lives, well, anywhere?  Hmmm... general information, I guess.  I heart Texas, though I haven't been there just yet.  Education seems key, Moran.

1:00pm • #8
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Jason, I think it is because the pendulum has swung way too far over to the conservative qualifying side. My last loan in 2001 was a stated income loan with good credit rating. Where are those today? The pendulum HAS to come back a tad in my opinion to free up this gridlock.

1:03pm • #9
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Steve - "Jason... I trust that doesn't happen with your loans, but people I have dealt with for years are asking for things that they never asked for before, and it's always the "LAST THING I NEED".  until the next thing they need."  It has happened on my loans, my man.  It has.  Some of this is purely because we did our due diligence and some folks decided to make new rules.  That may or may not be the case with your particular loan officer, but shit happens and we have to remember where the toilet paper is.  If they are asking for things they have never asked for before, just know that they are probably not doing it for shits and grins.  Welcome to a new age of lending, Steve.  Of note, I don't necessarily agree with it. 

1:18pm • #10
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Hello Jason-I don't know too much about what you do but I always learn something from reading your interesting posts and I love the way you incorporate music into your posts. Now this one popped into my head on your Golden years tune. Very different from yours. Golden Sharon style LOL

1:21pm • #11
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Hi Jennifer:)  Now get to work!  Yup, I'm a slave driver, at times;)

Russell -  If I'm the Ron Jeremy of lending, I'm at least a more 'fit' version.  Plus, I've seen his takes.  I got him in that category as well:)  Glad to hear you are busy; the strange thing is that I am as well.  So much for a recession, I got more cash than Flower Tucci at a dinner party;)  Look it up...

Woltal - I concur.  There is a place for such products and clients.  I hope extremes evolve, that's all I will say.

1:25pm • #12
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Jason... SO their not out to get me? I'm not being singled out? The voices in my head telling me to be paranoid should be ignored...and I should smile and comply like the rest of the sheep? Good to know I feel better now, or my Meds are kicking in it's hard to tell which?

1:28pm • #13
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They don't like you. lol. Yeah, it's hard for me not to get personal with my clients. For many it's a huge decision for them. On top of that a scarey one. So when it comes to a great loan officer it definitely is important to get one that is on top of all the current changes now. Can you move here with Jennifer????

1:51pm • #14
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I would suspect that much of the issues are also related to the way things are being done with appraisals now as well.

2:03pm • #15
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Jason,

"We'll reach those Golden Years,"  That's great news! Because for some of us they're in sight, coming at us like a Mack truck in the wrong lane!

Bill

2:14pm • #16
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Jason - AMEN!  BRAVO!  I can't believe some of the crap I'm getting asked for and some of the crappy reasons I'm getting from my big, national bank lending sources (that received billions in bailout money) about why they're not going to approve my client for a loan.

The most blatant abuse of fear and power recently was a loan that I closed last month.  Initially, I had submitted it to one of my favored lenders that I had been using for years.  They suspended my file in April because when it came down to it, my A+ client was too good at his job, climbed his career ladder too quickly (over a three year period), saved too much money, paid his bills too well and was absolutely terrible at running up his credit cards.

You see, this young man (25yrs old and three years out of college) was raised that if he worked hard, saved his money, used his credit wisely that good things would happen.  Oh, except for getting approved for a home loan at a big, national bank (that took billions in bailout money).

I had to submit to another lender (smaller, local lending source that didn't get any bailout money) and explained to everyone in the transaction what was happening and we did close the loan on this great buyer.  I haven't submitted a file to that big, national bank since and probably won't either. 

Like you, business is really good right now but it is challenging working with underwriters that are either ego-maniacs on a power trip or ones so fraught with fear they won't make a decision (I had another big, national bank underwriter say to me not too long ago that she wouldn't be fired for not approving my client).  I'm finding that working with my smaller, local lending sources are not as frustrating as those big, national banks. 

Still getting wacky requests, just this week, I had to submit an LOE for two clients on why they chose to move in with their parents a few months ago instead of renewing the lease for the house they had been renting for the increased rent of $2,500.  While this may sound crazy to some people, they actually wanted to save some money up for a few months so that they could buy a house and have enough money for down payment and closing costs.  Crazy huh?

2:59pm • #17
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LOL ... my 'Pay by the Hour' wage is about 74cents/hour with the amount of time put into each client all the way to closing these days !

... but this is a nice list of potential reasons for delays in the loan process - funny thing is, many times there's no delay, just poor expectations set by anxious Realtors I think !! lol

 Oh and it depends on how efficient the LO is in a lot of cases, I just dealt with one who didnt even realise the appraisal had been emailed to him 3 days earlier. Oh well !

Cheers J-Sard !

Sheldon

3:07pm • #18
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Jason - Sheldon makes a good point about poor expectations by anxious Realtors.  Just for the record folks, when your LO (the one you've trusted and worked with for some time) tells you that they need 45 days for escrow, that's not just some number they picked out of thin air.  This is a number based on current turn times for processing, appraisal, underwriting, condition clearing, QC reviewing, doc preparing and funding the loan.

So folks, when you fail to listen to your trusted LO that has been serving you well for awhile and ignore their advice for longer escrows, you have just set up everyone in the transaction, including the client, for a frustrating and stressful experience.  You will not be viewed as the hero when you start harrasing everyone in the transaction after the loan doesn't close to your unrealistic expectations.

3:19pm • #19
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Sharon - I can appreciate The Golden Girls Theme.  Here's one that may get ya along the yellow brick road:)

Steve - Never comply, never be the sheep.  Always question whatever is going on.  Or, just be a lap dog in the face of a bark that doesn't make much sense.

Sis - Believe me, I would love to move there.  I need a tan. 

Bill - Would you be speaking about HVCC's?  Yeah, some guy from New York thought it was a good idea.  Normally, I would support such energy, but the I highly doubt he knows Real Estate thoughout the country.  The law was passed, it is what it is, and Mario "Freaking" Cuomo legistlated an idea throughout the Nation.  Is it a good idea?  My initial response is, "NO!".   Yet, Zen Master says, "We'll see."  I love and learn from Asian Philosophy.

Mr. Archambault - I'd only watch for one thing.  Just make sure they aren't this.

 

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Jason - How I wish more lenders were as good as you at what they do!  It's tough when the buyer uses a lender that you're not familiar with that is just pushing the envelope along rather than working in the best interests of their client. 

I know there are many things that can up at the last second but some of the 11th hour requests I've gotten are for standard documents or information that the lender should have at the outset. 

3:29pm • #21
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(This blog is now rated R, and that doesn't stand for Reasonable:)

Donne - I think you just wrote a blog.  I'm glad it started on this piece of prose.  Write that blog, my dear.

Sheldon - Deal with me.  Your perception will change;)

Donne -  If I competed with you, I'd hate you.  I don't, so I love you.  Actuallly, if I competed with you... I'd up my game.  Until then, my game is the same.  I work for whomever hires me and I do it damn well.  No sense in asking me, since I'm biased,

 

3:35pm • #22
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Jason - Yeah I know, I can get a little verbose sometimes and my comments have often been compared to mini blogs.  However, I have had to up my game only it's not as a result of competing with other LO's but rather as a direct result of trying to anticipate underwriter requests.

It seems trying to think like an underwriter these days requires much more than a deep and thorough review of a clients personal, financial and professional life, we must also make sure that our clients understand that having a good, stable job, money in the bank, little to no debt and great ficos is no guarantee for getting a loan.

3:57pm • #23
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Jason, I'm working a transaction right now where we are on our 3rd closing extension. We have been under contract since March 29th. It's actually the only pending transaction I have that's not a Short Sale or an REO. There have been 3 appraisal reviews. The buyer has had to increase his downpayment fron 25% down....to 30% and they just now asked for 40%. The reason it's taking so long is it's a foreign investor buying in a high foreclosure area. The Lender does NOT want to lend this money. The problem is the buyer has excellent credit and is very qualified. They keep throwing hoops at him and he keeps jumping through. Maybe this time it will close.

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Seems that everyone is having trouble these days making it to the closing table on time. I take it as just a part of the process these days and fortunately my clients have been understanding.

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Howdy Jason-I remember watching that which lets you know I am a bit older than you but this theme is probably much more up your alley than the first one. Watched that one as well back in the day. <SMILE>

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I think it would help if the industry would hire underwriters who knew what they were doing. And no, I'm not kidding. last transaction I had was almost delayed due to easily avoidable errors by the underwriter. This seems to be were I'm having the most problems...

7:06pm • #28
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Donne - Personally, I like your comments.  You definitely add to the conversation.  Your second paragraph resonates...

Bryant - On the surface, that seems completely ridiculous.  But, not totally surprising.  For what it's worth, shoot me an email or give me a call if this continues to be an everlasting delay.  While there are no guarantees, I may be able to help... or at least guide that transaction into the right direction (closing).

JL - I'm finding it less on purchases and more on refinances.  Either way, I try to give people the heads up.  Patience isn't a virtue that I'm a big fan of.

Susan - Grazie:)

Sharon - Classic theme song!!!

Sandra - I don't disagree with you and am pretty sure I know the transaction that you are writing about. 

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Jason - I guess I could ask which one you think it is and I will let you know if your right  ; -)

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Sandra - It wasn't the one I was involved in:)

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Jason - Well, it looks like you answered the question pretty well !  It is a shame when the process takes a long time due to incompetence.  The bottom line is that it is a hard process.  We basically expect delays and are very happy when there are not any !

8:42pm • #32
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Hi Jason, a very good post my friend. Delays occasioned by others. The best thing an agent can do is speak with the person the Buyer chose to secure the financing before writng an offer. When I get a Buyer's Pre-approval Letter, I ask the loan officer to put right in the approval letter about the time it takes for securing the financing. Be it 30 or 45 or even 60 days. This way the agent for the Seller is not as likely to counter it out of the offer and create a whole slew of other problems. Best scenario is CASH, LOL. Otherwise we need to pay attention.

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Jason,my clients are being asked for things that they already produced. I had two U of M Residents call mom and dad each one day before closing because they had HAD it.

It is ugly out there. Two appraisals out there came in low. The appraisers were from out of area and used a neighbor MLS for comps.

I could pull my hair out.

We are now writing offers for minimum of 60 days out.

10:50pm • #34
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I've seen some very frustrated buyers and owners going through this process right now, and it's not much more fun for the loan officers.  Hopefully, the government will remove itself from the equation soon.

10:54pm • #35
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Sardi,

This sums up the situation.  Keep up the good work. 

G$

11:29pm • #36
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Hi Jason -- It is a big fat mess out there.  One would think with the sluggish sales overall (excluding refi's) that the industry would be more systematized and create some efficiencies.

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Jason,

You expressed, oh so beautifully, what I've been feeling. 

Most of my clients work with two local lenders who do a fantastic job (I could not imagine working with just any lender in this current market).  I talk with these gals once a day whether we need to or not and stay on top of every new development.  Vigilance gets the escrow closed! 

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Chris & Stephanie - I'm not sure which of you commented, but my guess is that it was Chris.  It doesn't much matter, though.  Delays can be circumvented.  I don't have nearly the power I want, yet I certainly have the power that I have.  That power is to ensure you don't get fooled again

William - Cash will always be king, won't it?

Missy - Before you pull your hair out, understand something and understand it very clearly.  You've probably been doing this biz of Real Estate much longer than me, but I have a certain barometer for bull-shit that isn't taught in such classes.  This isn't the easiest time in the Real Estate Industry, which make it a very lucrative proposition.  When your clients digest that, they start feeding the rewards.

Christine - "Hopefully, the government will remove itself from the equation soon."  That seems to be a nice solution, considering they have proved to have no clue on what this Industry is all about.  I like private sectors, it keeps things... I don't know... more private.

Miljour - I didn't even know you were active around these parts.  I'm pretty damn sure I didn't spam you to come visit this post.  None the less, thank you.  You're a good man and I love sharing an industry with such an individual.

If wishes were to come true, we'd be a bit more steadfast in our occurrences.  Dig it!

 

 

 

12:11am • #39

I love that a 30 day lock pays worse than a 45 day lock with some lenders!  The sad part is that now rates are back up, underwriting will pick up, but it's at the cost of less business.  On top of this, we are now getting all the "new" underwriters that were hired and trained in the past couple of months to help with the demand.  I am now getting asked for credit reports on streamlines and I have to call them and explain why we don't need one!  "Oh, sorry...I was looking at a different file".  No, you are just being forced into a situation that you don't quite understand yet, it's not your fault...it's your boss's fault. 

The day that we don't have a complaint about the process is the day that we fire up the flux capacitor and go back in time.  Back to when 24 hours to close a loan was realistic!

12:12am • #40

Hi Jason - I find similar happenings in upstate New York.  Our small, well establihed local bank, Ulster Savings are closing well with not a lot of hassle and the "BIG" government fed banks are giving us the most heartache.

I am going to be moving to outside the Phlly area(Glenside) and totally starting over as an agent without a warm market.  Very scary for me.  How far are you from there?

 

Best,

Sandy

 

4:04am • #41

Such a great post, and so many good sentences in there. I was even laughing at the end when I got to "It's a cycle, learn to ride" and followed that up with "This ain't a pay-day loan." Too good. Too true. Too funny.

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I have seen numerous delays lately.  I have seen "new" items being asked for.  Maybe they aren't really new but older clarifications that weren't enforced before.  Who knows.  What I do know is that the attitude, demeanor and competence of the Loan Officer and the relationship between them and the agent is crucial.  My last deal was with a loan officer that I was not familiar with - he blew me away with his knowledge, patience, education, communication, and overall calmness that it help put wind in the sails, so to speak, and get us through to closing.  Now THAT's what was important!  He almost made us forget that we were doing additional things, etc. Times have changed and we will all just have to adjust.  Thanks again for a great post!

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Jason,

It was deja vu reading your blog title, because I WAS just wondering why it was taking so freaking long to close!

When I have to submit contract addendums extending the loan commitment date (which I already put far out to begin with), it makes sellers squirrely...not that I blame them, but geez Louise, we're TRYING, okay?

Good to know there are competent souls such as yourself roaming around....it gives me hope.  Not much, but some.  :)

 

6:11am • #44
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Nice post Jason,

I've actually been contemplating a long trip and taking a break until the lending industry can figure out all of the changes, adapt and catch up. It's starting to really come to a point that it's just not worth it right now and a good time to take a long vacation...

We've got great prices... sellers, buyers and a lot of frustration with lending right now... Buyers are starting to get pissed off and sharing the same sentiment.

And these are buyers that have bought several homes over the years and loaded with cash. They are just getting tired of being run through the ringer...

 

 

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Mark - Welcome to the Mortgage Biz, kid:)  "The day that we don't have a complaint about the process is the day that we fire up the flux capacitor and go back in time."  I love that line!

Sandy -  I'm not too far from there; I don't think.  While I'm directionless, I believe I'm about an hour and half away.  I have many contacts around the area that could probably help you out.  I'll shoot you an email.

Russel -  Thanks man.  I've seen your activity on my posts.  You had quite the busy little tour:)

Leesa - "My last deal was with a loan officer that I was not familiar with - he blew me away with his knowledge, patience, education, communication, and overall calmness that it help put wind in the sails, so to speak, and get us through to closing."  That's what it is all about.  Excellent work by that particular Loan Officer!

Coleen - I have a feeling I will be roaming around for some time:)

6:37am • #46
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Paul - I could use a vacation.  Shall I give you my address to send the tickets;)  And the cycle continues to turn...

6:39am • #47
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This would be a good time to take that vacation. I have a buyer like Broker Bryant. Every hoop thrown at the foreign investor, he jumps through. And the wait is peppered with appraissal reviews. But your blog has put a light on it. Thank you.

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Jason,

I had a listing that just closed on Friday and not only did it close on time...the MB showed up at the closing which is a rarity for me...only had that happen a few times and I have those people on my list of companies I'd most likely recommend to a buyer to use. This tells me that the MB not only kept me fully informed of whats going on...they wanted to really be included in the transaction and that's a compliment to them from me. I think most of these hold ups happen because of lack of interest in the deal on your side. I'm not expecting them to show up at every closing but it sure makes them look good. The best part of it is that the MB came through and those are the ones I like working with.

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Sardi - nicely captured. Although I figured out Bowie and Cream, I thought you meant learn to ride this cycle.

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Jason.. so true about he part that things change often and that we all need to stay on top of that.  Just as it has been repeated, you stated this...  "Front-end incompetence"...  this is so true and you hit the nail on the head.

Now, do you think I have my work cut out for me?  I just stole a loan on Friday that needs a commitment on June 24th and I stole another one yesterday that needs to close on June 24th.. rut row...  ;o)

jeff belonger

8:06am • #51
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Jason, Thanks for the honest and great insight!  I have had four closings in the past several months and not one of them escaped the loan dramas described by so many above.  It really is insane how hard it is to get a loan right now!  I wish you were closer!

8:40am • #52

Jason, I completely agree with you about upfront incompetence.  I'm continually amazed by other lenders who don't get what they need from the borrowers upfront.  One of the most valuable things I ever learned was to "one-time" my efforts.  I no longer wait until I'm face-to-face with borrowers to tell them what I want from them.  I have made a list of what I'm going to need from them, and I either email it to them or text it to their cell phone, before our first face-to-face appointment.  If they don't have it when they arrive for our meeting, I "jump their case" pretty firmly, and I won't order the appraisal until they bring it in.

Nothing radical, but I don't want to waste my time, the agents' time, or the borrowers' money.

Thanks for the matter-of-fact, professional approach you exhibit.

Jim Eyre
8:44am • #53
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Jason, A great post that I hope is read by many buyers and sellers as well. A lot of us realtors have written blogs about the importance of a pre-approval before looking at homes. Do you think it's getting any better in that regard?

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Terri - Perhaps we all need to take a great big AR Vacation;)  But we can't all go, this Industry needs us on a daily basis.

Neal - That's a wonderful illustration of what is right in our business.  Kudos to that particular Mortgage Broker.  That's the way to do it.  It's the way I was mentored, that we show up at all loan closings if we can.  That, of course, isn't always doable now that I'm licensed in other states... but it doesn't mean I won't make the trip up to CT, down to FLA, etc now and again.  Especially considering Jennifer likes to drive:)

Saunders -  Nice link.  I haven't heard that Queen tune for quite awhile.  Enjoy your Sunday.

Belonger - About 20 days ago I had to turn down a deal that I could of stole.  My reasoning was quite simple.  The borrower had already had all of his paperwork into another lender and a rate that was locked.  While I had a better deal on that particular day, I wouldn't be able to lock him in until the following day at that point.  Then, rates took a turn for the worse the following day.  Even if I had locked him in that very day, before the rates took a turn, I would have had a small window to close his loan in him buying a house.  We had a nice conversation and he asked me for my advice.  I told him in no uncertain terms, "Never wait until the last minute to shop for a mortgage, especially when you are buying a home."  Good luck on your particular endeavors.  What was their contact information again;)

Diane - I wish I were closer as well, though I hear that NC (with some interesting lending laws) isn't the easiest place in the Nation to lend. 

Jim - Thank you, Sir.  I don't do squat until I have everything I need from the borrower.  There are rare exceptions, yet that is the way I operate these days and will do so from here on forth.  Sounds like we have similar philosophies in that regard.

Barb- To answer your question, I'm not quite sure.  My advice to your buyers, any buyers, would be to get all of their supporting documentation handed into the lender at the time of application and a credit run.  That's a real pre-approval, at least in my book.

 

 

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Shoot, forgot two.... comment #37 & #38....

Chris Olson -  To an extent, you're right.  The beauty in this chaos is hopefully it will make all of us better at what we do.  Let's learn folks!

Fran - Thank you so much!  "Vigilance gets the escrow closed!"  Exactly!!

9:48am • #56
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Jason - Somebody has to say it!! Good for you for addressing the issue. I admire you being upfront and letting your clients know - if your loan doesn't close, I don't get paid.

10:10am • #57
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Jason - excellent post and I just had one close that took way too freaking long to close. There were so many issues I cannot even begin to start to list them.

10:18am • #58
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I just deal with what the market has dealt us.  We have elected a system of government control and that is what we are getting.  So expect poor service at first to get moderately better as time goes on.  In the first of October, we assumed the outcome of the election and made massive changes to our organization based on a government controlled system.  Our changes have helped ease the pain as we have traveled through this mess.  We also changed our thoughts on closing times in April for the May 1st change over from 20-30 day closings to 30-60 day closings.  The 30 days was a bit optimistic for May.  In time this new system will improve with the battering of complaints.

10:39am • #59
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Jackie -  Love the bulls-eye:) 

Sharon -  That sounds like a blog to me.

Tim - Interesting perspective.  I hope you are right.

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Jason - The buyers are taking longer to buy, the loans are taking longer for approval, but I am glad to be working these longer escrows - it is better than the alternative.  :)

12:45pm • #61
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You mean you're not to blame for holding up the loan ???

Nice post.

2:06pm • #62
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I agree with Gary's comment above. It will take time to swing back to where it was, just as the housing market will take time.

Patricia aulson/Portsmouth NH Real Estate

2:19pm • #63
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Jason, is part of it they have so much money to lend everyday and the volume is more than they can handle so they push it back with a request for another piece of paper, another appraisal, anything to stall and keep them on the hook? Just wondering...

Sharon

3:10pm • #64
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On another note, "If I don't close loans, I don't make a dime. If I don't make a dime, that means I can't eat, drink, or even sleep if I can't afford to make my mortgage payments."

But according to the media, you are a money-hungry predator that does not deserve to make a living.  It is amazing to me the disconnect and misunderstanding about how people actually have a right to make money by providing a good or service. 

3:36pm • #65
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Hi Jason  What a great  blog and thanks for the honest up front  answers  to the big question everyone including the Realtors ask great comments too   I am printing this out and posting it at work....great inf  Again a great job...but I am not surprised.

3:49pm • #66
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Virginia - True that.

Erica - Yes, I'm to blame.  I love ensuring my pay check is held up a week or two;)

Patricia - Which reminds me of a song...

Sharon -  My educated assumption is the demand has outweighed the supply, so to an extent I think the answer, "Yes" to your question is somewhat accurate.  I also believe they are combing through files more thouroughly than they have before... which isn't necessarily a bad thing. 

MacKenzie - Yup.  I will be throwing a keg party a week from now that will be hosted from my beach house in The Cayman Islands.  You are cordially invited;)  I'd love to trade jobs with any news anchor for a week or two.  We'd both probably have a more accurate perspective of the other one's shoes.

June - Thank you.  Just let those folks know that I do loans in the PA area:)  I may even send you an invite to my keg party in the Cayman Islands.

4:04pm • #67
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Ha! You loan officers are at the root of all problems. I knew it.

 

:)

4:21pm • #68
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Hi  Jason Back again  I am  on it all your contact inf on this blog besides I already have spread the word.. I have not been working with any buyers lately that have needed mortgages ..they either have  cash ( foreclosures ) or for some reason go through a credit union.  The listings I am selling through other agents seem to deal with an in house mortgage guy anyway have no input in that...anyway I know ewhere to find you.          Are you doing the USDA loans?

5:26pm • #69

"government"

So I guess you're against the $8,000 tax credit, right?

The reason loans are taking forever is there's so much refinancing going on and because many sources of money have dried up.

Another Realtor
7:30pm • #70
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I am so glad to hear that it is not just in Arizona where we are experiencing long closing times. It's frustrating for all of us because as you mention, we don't get paid until it closes and the buyers get emotional and impatient.

Lynn Behlendorf
12:12am • #71
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Jason,

A very timely post, (unlike my loan commitments which have been anything but timely).  I've had 5 deals in the last two months go into closing date extensions because the banks can't seem to get an underwriter to look at the file in any sort of timely fashion.  "Grade A" borrowers that I used to be able to plug into my favorite lender and have a smooth closing within 2 to 4 weeks are now being dragged out 5 to 6 weeks or more while their files are being reviewed and re-checked. 

What bothers me the most is that FHA and USDA are still willing to lend to my C-D borrowers at 97, 100 and even 103% while the people with better jobs, credit and big down payments are sitting around twiddling their thumbs waiting for a closing date. What are these lenders thinking???

12:26am • #72
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Jason, Thanks for your post!  I always find you so interesting and informative.  You contribute to my knowledge base.  I just love learning from all you folks here in the Rain. 

BTW:  I finally wrote my first post.  Thanks for the "kick in the pants" to go ahead and dive in!  AND it got featured, too!!!  first time out of the gate!  Wow!  that blew me away.  Now I have to figure out what to write next, though I have been making notes, and something will pop out soon, I think.

1:19am • #73

I Agree with setting up the right expectations for your clients .

With so many changes in the mortgage industry it is very difficult to keep all your loans under control.

One think that works for me is a the weekly updates to all parties in the transaction(borrower. selling agent and  listing agent) this avoids last minutes frustrations .

I am very grateful to say that all my closings happen within max of 3 weeks.

Before i sent my loan to the processor i ask my borrower for all the possible documents that u/w  may need and advise borrowers that may be some other docs that we may have to provide , the cases that we need to provide something else i will update everyone on the status and what we are waiting for to proceed this way everyone knows what is stopping us to proceed .

Is not fun not to know why we are not closing TODAY!

It is a challenged market and we have to ride it .

 

 

Mariem Bennett,Loan officer (PrimeLending Southeast Region)

Mariem Bennett
1:22am • #74

do you suppose the funders are trying to beat our their own loan rate locks to make more money?

1:45am • #75
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What's the problem with the title "loan officer".  At least is't not showing the often used "title inflation" that we see in too many companies where everyone is a "vice president" of this or that.  Or, in banks where everyone with a desk is the "vice preseident" of something. 

As folks know by now, I stay on top of my buyers loan processing.  As long as the loan officer is also on top of my buyers loan processing, I'm happy. 

If the VA appraisal takes more than 10 days to come in, I'm nervous but not insane. 

If the rates start creeping up and my buyer needs to lock and the loan officer doesn't notice, I may start to lose it. 

If I contact the loan officer and he refers me to his/her processor, I will go insane. 

Sometimes I wonder why loan officers even want my business.

 

5:12am • #76
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Thanks for pulling back the kimono and explaining the gritty side of your business. From agents, to loan officers, and escrow officers, if we don't close transactions, we don't eat.

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Hi Jason - Good post where you tell it like it is.  I tell all of my clients to be prepared for delays in loan approval and closing.  It is just the nature of the beast right now.  Then if there are delays they are not surprised and if everything goes smoothly they are happily surprised.  Sometimes I sweat it, but I try to keep them clam and happy.

7:03am • #78

For my buyer, the PQ from one of the bankers took more than a week, with upteen calls and emails, which delayed the 'Offer to Purchse' by two days. However, I always tell but have to stress my buyer clients to be proactive and start the Loan Application process much in advance to get going to meet the dates per commitments in the offer. Its not that straight and fast these days...!

7:36am • #79

Yep, it's a Catch 22.  Some loans are taking longer than the typical 30 days, and unfortunately, if your offering on an REO or short sale and dealing with multiple offers, that longer close time can be a deal breaker.  But, you don't want to set your client up for stiff penalties for closing late.  It's a balancing act to be sure.

7:52am • #80

Good points Jason - As a fellow mortgage broker I may start pointing my borrower's to this post when they ask why their loan is taking so long!! :)

8:37am • #81

Loans are taking way too long to underwrite now.  It may seem like it is some sort of revenge from the lenders for all the bad publicity that they have gotten from the public and the press.  They have closed and consolidated their back office underwriting which means understaffing and delays.  Plus the fact that some of these lenders have regulators breathing down their necks and auditing many of their loan files.  TARP money doesn't come cheap!

8:47am • #82

Its is

Jim smith
8:59am • #83

I do agree with the comment to set the correct expectations going into the transaction. The fact is that lenders are absolutley crossing all T's and dotting all I's prior to closing these transactions. Along with the lay-offs in the industry and not really rebuilding the staff in the recent refi boom has been yet another hurdle for our industry.

Keep focused - Keep positive (Now That's A Hard Thing To Do) and do the very best you can. The best thing that has happened to me in the past few years; Is that I have really come to realize how important my family is as they have been my rock.

 

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LOL This is a question that I ask everyday. There seems to be no such thing as an easy loan anymore. No matter how qualified the buyer things are just taking forever with more and more documents requested throughout the process.

We give all our customers a list of the documents that they will need for their application when we first meet them (even though most are "pre-approved") so when they find a house the want they are ready to go.

I also tell my customers to be patient and expect to wait 6-8 weeks for a mortgage approval and not to freak out. That it is all just part of the process.

The worst was a 5 hour closing while we had to fax 85 pages back and forth to a bank whose fax machine wasn't working for final approval before we could complete the closing.

As they say, this to shall pass.

 

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Erica - I could of told you that long ago:)

June - That's much appreciated.  Yes, I'm doing USDA Loans.  While I'm not the biggest advocate of 100% financing a lot of times, I've found that the USDA Product makes sense.  The guidelines make sense.  I like the USDA Product.

Another Realtor- No, I actually like the $8,000 Tax Credit.  The HVCC thing, that's another story. 

Lynn - Real Estate is local, yet lending tends to be across the board.  In this case, I think that this is happening all over the board.

Bryan- Common sense and lending don't seem to be on similar paths right now.  In my mind's eye, we are a part of the extreme reaction to something only a few saw coming.  These are the latter days.  That written, I do believe I may have a cure for what's going on in your world.  Shoot me an email if you feel froggy.

Paula - Thank you so much and good for you!  We'll learn from you as well.  Don't wait too long on that writing thing, your readers are awaiting.

Mariem - You've got my vote for comment of the month.  Nicely put.  It sounds like you are doing a very competent job on your end.  "It is a challenged market and we have to ride it."  You've stirred up a song in my world.  Enjoy!

Barbara - While I think I understand the question, I'm not quite sure how to answer.  I hope not.  Let me repeat, I hope not.  I don't have problem with profit.  I have a problem with screwing with people's lives over profit.

Lenn - "What's the problem with the title "loan officer".  Quite simple, Lenn... nobody gave me a badge.  You put "officer" in the label of what you are doing for a living and I expect search warrants, Miranda rights, and handcuffs to be a part of the equation.  I do agree with your stance on inflated titles.  I still have yet to convince corporate to put, "Jason Sardi - World Guardian" on my business cards."

You bring up some great points.  As far as "Sometimes I wonder why loan officers even want my business."  The incompetent ones won't after the first escrow arrives in their bank account.  We don't always understand each other Lenn, but I'm damn sure you get it.  Believe it or not, I do too.  Vague enough;)?

Wayne - Imagine that, us having a superficial motive to actually close these things.  I'll probably never bring out the total truth in regards to me, but my heart bleeds for my clients.  It just does.

Pam - There's one thing about delays, they can be counteracted with a "heads-up".  Thanks Pam.

Sunil - I think I like the way you do business.  "Pro-Active" is a term that is rarely a bad thing. 

Unknown - Balance, interesting perspective.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

9:14am • #86

Oops, sorry for above post...,

PLEASE READ THIS!

I represent a wholesale lender, in Michigan, in Detroit!  Yes we are still out here!

Here is the deal people.  We are dealing with "delays" for 2 resons.  First, not because of todays incompetence, but because of YESTERDAYS! and second, more deals than dollars.

Many loan officers still left are from the "sub-prime" era.  They dont know all the rules and regulations required.  Not to mention HUD changes their FHA guidelines with every mortgagee letter that comes out.  We as lenders are constantly asked to look the other way on simple regulatory issues.  The reason given "I never had to do this before".  The reason I give:  "Well, you have to do it now, and should have been from the beginning."

Second reason, more deals than dollars.  The owner of our corporation recently went to the lender expo in Chicago looking for more wharehouse capacity.  Last year there were over 100 booths offering wherehouse lines, this year, there were 12.  Many of the major lenders in the midwest have literally run out of money, not being able to close or fund loans when their clients want.

Point is, the process takes longer.  Plan for it.  45 days for purchases.

 

Jim Smith
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That's great - just wanted to read a couple AR posts before I made this the most productive 'free MLS' day ever, now I'm totally sidetracked to iTunes, lured by links to great oldies I don't have yet.

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Part of the problem is that the rules are written on a rubber page and change daily. HVCC is definitely an issue with long turn times and a value that comes back lower than expected every time.

Some of the issues could be corrected by our industry colleagues. If more originators understood the underwriting environment we are in today and loaded the file up with all the correct disclosures and required paperwork, these files would move a little quicker through underwriting. A part of the hold up is an underwriter having to handle a file multiple times as they work to clears stips. If we all thought like an underwriter and anticipated any possible underwriting questions, we could have them addressed before submission. Also it doesn't hurt to take a few minutes to actually read your approval findings!

One note, I thought that when there was a mass exit of employees of this industry that those who remained were more seasoned and experienced but at time it does seem that some of the underwriters working on the files are new to the industry and to me this seems backwards...

Anyway, great blog Jason, think I'm going to subscribe :)

 

 

9:26am • #89

What I don't understand is why any buyer would insist on trying to get a mortgage from some big conglomerate bank instead of dealing with a well established local bank.  It always pays in the long run to deal locally.

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thanks for your post...we are struggling in Ohio to get any of our loans together...I do not see it getting any better soon. It is nice read others struggles and learn from them

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Dan - Great.  More emails coming my way bitching about the industry;)

Home Foreclosure Solutions - Most things don't come cheap.  I don't think it is about revenge.  I just don't think they saw it coming and weren't prepared for what was to become.  They should of read up on this guy. 

Jim Smith - I think you probably had some troubles inputting your comment.  It is what it is:)

Jeff - "The best thing that has happened to me in the past few years; Is that I have really come to realize how important my family is as they have been my rock."  I don't always practice what you just preached.  I should and will.

Donna - I forgot to mention how my hair is turning silver dealing with this stuff.  From your comment, I like the way you think. 

 

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Great post! I have a pre application form with a list of documents needed for the purchase/refinance and I make sure that the clients get the documents together very early in the process. It has helped especially with purchase loans closing on time.

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Well gypsy ass, there's Jim Smith all over again.

First off Jim, I think it is very cool that you are on AR.  I'm quite certain that it will pay-off more ways than one.  45 days on purchases?  That's sound advice. 

Your points on delays aren't bad, either.  Even during the sub-prime era, 65% of my biz was conforming loans.  I was taught to go after conforming business and if you run into sub-prime along the way... so be it.  While I think sub-prime has a place in the business and in this world we live in, I agree that there aren't a whole lot LO's that truly understand Conforming or FHA guidelines.  Whoops, you didn't say that... I did.  Your comment has many shades of wisdom.  Send me your info; I'll pass it along.  I miss having a good Rep.

Joetta - Well, this one won't help you much:)

Potrzeba - I hope you don't mind me referring to your last name, but the whole "Jason Thing" is much too common for my taste.  I read your comment twice.  I love it.  It's true.  I'm subscribing to you because I like a brain and heart behind the words.  I think you have both.  Don't let me down;)

Lois - It's often not in my best financial interests, but going local in choosing lenders can be a smart way to go.  I'm more pious than greedy.  It's their choice.  We'll see...

Julie - Struggle?  Heck, I'm farting rainbows over here.  Okay, I'm lying on that one.  My farts look more like Texas Tea. 

I'm only eight years in, but this industry, like life, ain't easy.  Relax, fold your fingers around the opposing hand and bring those sad eyes to the point that they are gazing at the sun.  Being warm feels good.

 

 

 

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My big problem is with people on the wholesale end of it, the banks and the underwriters.  I also understand the government has created a risk adverse environment.

10:34am • #95

What everyone has to understand is that there are always 2-3 sets of guidelines.  First, HUD or USDA has their guides, then lenders have their own guides.  Just because HUD says a deal can be done doesnt mean that the lender will feel comfortable with it.  (and if your a wholesaler like my company, you have HUD, investor guides (BofA, Suntrust, Chase) then you have your own companies guides) 

Just becuase HUD says "no minimum fico on FHA" doesnt mean that you can get one done.  Most LENDERS require a 620 for FHA.

Secondly, with rates being so low every idiot out there who thinks he's Gordon Gecko is trying to slam thru streamlines.  So take your "50 cents on the dollar" real estate market, add in lowest rates in a lifetime, Oh yea, and factor in no per diem interest for FHA loans and you have a receipe for running out of money in the 3rd and 4th week of the month.

My advice, Close your loans in the 1st and 2nd weeks of the month, especially purchases.  And plan set up your realtors for a 45 day window, that way, when you get it done in 30 you look like a hero.

Jim Smith
10:44am • #96

Sorry Jason, we arent licensed in Penn.  Only MI, OH, IN, KY, MO. 

Let me know if you do business there.  Im always looking for good business partners.  Our company has been lending in SE MI since 1949.  We have seen these conditions before and know how to wade through them.

Jim Smith
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Jason:

Changes are affecting the entire RE industry - it's just a fact of life we all have to deal with.

I love the musical references you sprinkle through your blog - how about adding some Pretenders?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGcn15ODltA

The reference is made with tongue firmly in cheek - I'm just happy to read about problems with mortgages that aren't my fault.

Keep up the great work.

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Jason, I know your a sharp guy but I think that now the industry is just plain old over cautious about buyers.  They review, review again and then re-review with a psychic scanning the paperwork.  They also want to know 'the future' of the buyer too.  It's just assinine and no it's not a pay-day loan.  What you really want to say is "get off my back I'm doing the best I can with all the stupid changes." I make my living at this alright?

 

 

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Sardi-  Congrats on the feature.

This was stated by Jim Smith, one of your commentors...

"Many loan officers still left are from the "sub-prime" era.  They dont know all the rules and regulations required.  Not to mention HUD changes their FHA guidelines with every mortgagee letter that comes out. "

 I couldnt disagree MORE with this statement.  Plus, it is a SLAM on people that WERE subprime lenders...making them sound dumb...or incompetent!  That is simply ridiculous!  I am not one of those guys, and yes, I PROUDLY made subprime loans for approximately, 8 of the 21 years I have been in the business.  I say proudly, because I hardly EVER made a NINA subprime crap loan.  I did and have done...my loans at our COMPANY full doc for years....Sometimes Limited doc!

People COMPLETELY MISUNDERSTAND the phrase "subprime loans".  Completely!   Jim, if you are an AE, or something like for a midlevel funder, then you know this to be true.  I take offense HIGHLY to what you said!  Im sorry...

Countrywide, in their wholesale department offered Pay Option Arms...Full docs....are they a subprime loan/or lender??  Bank United..same thing....Wachovia, formerly WORLD SAVINGS who invented the freaking PAY OPTION armm....were they a subprime lender??  Countrywide RETAIL  had a 1st postition HELOC...was that a good loan?? Was it a subprime loan, at a convention PRIME LENDER??  Was the CW fast & easy loan a subprime loan??  Were Freddie Mac A- products subprime loans??   Most subprime driven loans I have done in my career were for a reason...not convenience.  The goal was to put them in a position to refinance OUT of the subprime loan at a later date!   General perception is that they were NO INCOME QUALIFYING LOANS ALL THE TIME!  That couldnt be further from the truth.  Say they had a part time job like...for clearning the VFW, but their checkstubs didnt have ytd income on them......or, say a bartending job full time, that you got a letter from the employer verifying average tips gained, not just income..or, say they have a part time job, but only for 1 1/2 years, not 2 tax seasons...Or a s/e borrower, with boatloads of writeoffs etc..etc..the list goes on!  Obviously, OUR COMPANY TRIED to do these loans conforming 1st, then if we could not, we had subprime options...That to me, is a benefit to the consumer.  THey STIL have the ability to say no...for pete's sake...now with new HERA laws, and between section 32 from years ago, recission, etc...at what point is the customer to blame??


Here is an example:  Customer has a 599, is at 71% loan to value...and needs to consolidate credit cards...We do a subprime loan , cash out, 85% LTV, cut checks straight to the credit card company..on a 3 year ARM at 6.9%...no PMI...how is that a bad deal??  It isn't...UNLESS, the customer leaves the office, saving 455 per month....Then TAKES that savings, and buys a Harley at 383 a month, plus the insurance for the Harley, then their daughter needs braces,....their credit score being higher now...they go to a finance company,, or their local bank...and take out a HOMEQTY loan....for say...12k....payment of 244...Guess what, that loan is interst only....AND THAT LOAN Is what killed the LTV, not the subprime 1st mortgage they received!  All in all, they are now in a worse position and cannot refi, not because of the 1st mortgage, but because of their actions AFTER THE FACT...!!!    Burden of responsilibty to the CUSTOMER!!!  

You are right though Jim, warehouse lines are lacking severly, and I dont think the general public understands that portion of our industry!   Open warehouse lines, opens loans!  Period.

Jason, nice job on the blog..>I will be forwarding to anyone I think needs help understanding our process...I spend 2 hours each day now...educating, instead of selling....stinks....but maybe educating IS SELLING!!! 

Front end incompetence...I am going to TRADEMARK that phrase...that is awesome...and could not have been said more perfectly!   I have preached about the two most important parts of lending for years.....and years..........

1.  Good application with TON's of questions, eliminates front end incompetence.

2.  How you structure the file, and approach the u/w is why the EXPERIENCED people left in the business are continuing to thrive.  If you supply an LOX for example on WHY there is a 30 day late on the credit file when it GOES to the underwriter...rather than wait to be asked for it...is experience talking!   There is no substitute right now for education, experience, and being UP FRONT with customers & Realtors!!! 

Thanks!   Darin

1:43pm • #100

Darin,

Read my comment slower.  Im speaking of the loan officer mentality, not the progam.  And as long as we are comparing resumes, I have 12 years in mortgage banking, 20 years in sales/management and a degree in economics and another in business administration.

Here's the deal:  The "Subprime Mentality" is the car salesman-turned-LO who wants his loan done in 2 days with the best rate and fewest stips, and if you dont do it for him he'll pull the loan and go somewhere else.  He has no idea about how to establish a profitable relationship with his lending partners, And he doesnt care what happens to the loan over the LIFE of the loan.  He just knows he banged a closing thru in 2 days got a $4k commission check on it.  FHA lending is foreign to him along with the regulations it brings with it.  If you are a true mortgage professional, you adapt to the market.

Subprime as a PRODUCT has no bigger cheerleader than me.  Its like a 4 letter word out there.  However, if you look at the percentages of SUBPRIME loans that are defaulting, they are miniscule.  The economic benefit of putting those people, who otherwise would not have acceptable financing, in a home had an enormous economic benefit to this country (despite recent events, which Darin, you are correct, are not all the fault of Subprime)

 

Jim Smith
2:26pm • #102

I agree Jason: We do not need government in "this sector," or the automobile sector, or the health care sector ...  

4:16pm • #103
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Gene - There's certainly blame to be spread around.  In the meantime, I'll look in the mirror and figure out how I can help make this a non-issue for anyone dealing with yours truly.

Jim - "Secondly, with rates being so low every idiot out there who thinks he's Gordon Gecko is trying to slam thru streamlines."  I gotta say man, I like your style and I like your substance. 

Jim - My firm is licensed in Michigan.  I will give you a call before week's end.

Jesse - Good call.  Here you be:)

Lyn - That was much more parsimonious than I put it. 

Darin - Damn, you are verbose.  You know I love you but I think you got Jimbo wrong.  I gotta make this quick, my old lady is calling.  Ahhh, gotta love my redneck youth.  I've never used that line before now.  Anyway, I appreciate anything you have to add to the discussion, my friend.  For anybody who still may be reading, this guy is your USDA guy.  Make sure my check is in the mail for that type of endorsement, D-Money;)

Jim - Before you and Darin go exchanging war stories and comparing the sizes of your respective "tri-pods", you should know my resume.  I got a "D" in handwriting in the fourth grade and I flunked out of ethics.  Who's your daddy;)

 

4:34pm • #104
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P.S. - I know I've told you this before but this post warrants another kudo.  LOVE YOUR VIDEOS!

4:49pm • #106
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J Sard-  Thanks.  Thanks, and thanks for the USDA plug.   Jim made it a resume' discussion, not me. I dont appreciate people running other people down, and when you attack our profession I will defend it.  I am tired of taking people's crap.  Jim, I did not misunderstand you, nor did I attack you in anyway or question YOUR experience.  Just cited your comments as an example for the world to see why there are differences out there.  Apologize for being long winded.  Best always, D  PS;  Will $12.00 do??
D

5:10pm • #107
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Jason,

You did a fantastic blog.  I agree that you have to be up-front and on top of everything.  The challenges are in the operations area.  Underwriter's to scared to make a common sense decision or just aren't fluent in the companies guidelines (We have loan officers that are just as challenging).  Add that to processors who really don't know how to process a good old fashion loan.  They didn't have to, now they do.  I've been in all originating positions (Loan Officer, Processor, Closer and Underwriting).  As a Loan Officer your really need to know your stuff and how to anticipate what your underwriter will ask for and how to delicately inform your underwriter that they can be wrong on occassion.

How do you think the new disclosure regs are going to affect the time flows?  We call them Hera and Hoepa (Housing and Economic Recovery Act and Home Ownership and Equity Protection Act).  More government regulation.  If anyone thinks the goverment is going to step out now, don't hold your breath.

6:53pm • #108

Jason, thanks for the great blog from the mortgage side. It's been quite frustrating lately getting clients qualified. I just closed a loan that was a week late simply because the file apparently sat on someone's desk until about a week before the scheduled closing! And of course this was a Large corporation. We ended up with a different LO than we started with because the original one was on vacation. It wasn't until I went to the department manager that anything was taken care of. I don't get it. I would think that an opportunity to earn income would be substantial motivation. But then again, I'm speaking from my perspective only. I'm thankfule for a few of the locals like yourself that I can trust to get the job done!

Kristi May (Allen Tate Realtors, NC)
7:47pm • #109
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Donne - Here's one more.... 

Darin - I'll accept $6.00 dollars and never look back.  Some call that diplomacy and others call that giving in.  I call it my way of ending a conversation.  Everybody has a price)

Tammi & Kristi - I will try to address your comments when I'm not so exhausted. 

 

8:27pm • #110
JUN
16
2009
106,848 Points

Jason:

"Back on the Chain Gang" and "My City Was Gone" - what a great reply to "Stop Your Sobbing" - how do you do it?

I've got to stop in to see you during my annual sojourn to Dorney Park (Aug 9, 10, 11) to get some pointers - lunch is on me.

10:32am • #111

Ok so I really can't comment on anything that hasn't already been said.  I just have to say I love your style.  I love your ability say it like it is and that your not afraid to do it.  You make me laugh maan.

'but shit happens and we have to remember where the toilet paper is.."  I am stocking up.  Glad to know it's not just me.  Unfortunatley for us all I am not alone.  That should probably make me feel better but it doesn't

1:23pm • #112
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Jason, you make some great points.  Your first point is my favorite.  We (loan officers) seem to take the blame when something unavoidable or unforeseen delays or kills a deal.  Most customers and Realtors seem to not know, realize, or care that we do not get paid if a loan doesn't close.

1:37pm • #113
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We tried this without the government, and we can all see what happened... so as far as that is concerned, I must differ with you. Banks are notoriously poor self regulators, and if our banks go under, it will be much worse than GM going down... it was the freedom in the market of self or de regulation that resulted in pure greed (creativity in lending and in debt instruments) that led us here. Banks and other financial institutions have become something else entirely: Casinos.

That said, understaffed lenders, stiffer criteria, etc. have really slowed down loan closings... we see lenders that used to take under 30 days to close now taking 60 days... that is something that Realtors should understand, and should manage the expectations of their buyers, as should loan officers.

2:06pm • #114

Wow, what a response to this blog!  No need to answer me, but, like Tammie, I think having been in many positions in the mortgage industry for the last 20 years certainly leads to more understanding of how the whole process and knowing what questions to ask next.  It's not just about gathering the docs and throwing them in the file, like some l.o.'s do.   

Also, thanks for telling the real estate brokers that 30 days isn't enough time right now.  I knew I couldn't be the only one.  Underwriters are taking forever! 

Kristeen Smith
3:01pm • #115

Jason: Wow, I thought all this struggle was due to something I ate. I guess it's an industry-wide phenomenon. Thanks for the humour! I love my clients and I hate putting them through the recent struggles. Fortunately, rates have been great. Otherwise, it's been hard to motivate them to jump through the flaming hoops. Thanks for your insights, Shari (Devoted Loan Officer in Minnesota)

Shari Kay Hunter
4:31pm • #116
JUN
17
2009
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Jesse - I would love to have lunch someday down the road.  I look forward to it:)

Thanks Marie.  I do my best.  Have a great rest of the week.

Karl - When asked what I wanted as my buinsess cards as my official title, I replied, "Chaos Control or Scapecoat."  I was told neither one was appropriate for business;)

Rhode Island Real Estate - You may be right and since it is already in motion, I hope you are.  I don't mind being wrong if it is for the best interests of everyone.

Kristeen - Thank you for stopping by.  Interesting times, eh?

Shari - I hate putting them (clients) through the struggles as well.

9:12am • #117

To Rhode Island guy,

The market has regulated itself.  The weak have gone out and what is left is the strong and the "too big to fail".  The new requirements are a far pendulum swing from the go-go 00's.  We will swing back eventually, but right now lenders are so risk averse its difficult to do anyone with any type of marginal credit.

The really sad part of all of this is that government intervention is really going to muck up the system.  They always have good intentions, but dont understand the basic economics of how lending works.  They tried this type of thing in Georgia a few years ago.  Capping interest rates and fees.  And guess what, lenders exited the market, leaving less choice for the very borrowers they were trying to help in the first place.  That lasted about 2 years and they repealed the legislation because it was such a dismal failure.

Point is, the banks lend the money, and they know the market better than the government does.  Even in the bad times, they are still better than the government

Jim Smith
9:15pm • #118
JUN
18
2009
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Dude, great feature!

Couldn't read all the comments at this point but did have my $.02...

-Lenn- VA appraisers have 1 week per the VA to complete it or explain why they haven't. If your waiting 10 days to bitch your waiting too long-:-)

-I didn't see anyone mention the main reason I see for delays- increased scrutiny, literally. U/W's that used to handle 10 files a day are doing 4-5 because they have to run everything thru a fine tooth comb. Look for this all to change in about two months though, once that refi clog has been expelled.

-I resent D-Money as your USDA guy! Hell in Wisconsin I'd have Bucky do anything for me but in Florida I want to be your USDA guy! No more cheat sheets for you! :-)

Great post Sardi, as always. Your eloquence knows no bounds!

Gerry Suarez, Jr.

Your FHA Loan Pro!

10:07am • #119
JUN
20
2009
107,830 Points Outside Blog

There is a sign that hangs on the wall above my desk that reads "fire extinguisher - do not block".  I'm really not sure how it got there or how long its been there; however I dare not touch it or move it.  I find it quite appropriate.

10:12am • #120
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Jim Smith - Well damn man, you sound like you know what you are talking about.  Your second paragraph works wonders with me.  Your third paragraph sums things up quite nicely.  I wish I was so concise.

Suarez -  Post more, ass.  This community needs your knowledge and input.  As far as D-Money, screw him.  Your my USDA Guy, until I talk to Darin again.  I'm playing you guys.  Consider me your Mortgage Slut.  In all seriousness, thank you my man. 

Karl - Chaos Control, I see.  That's damn appropriate.  While I don't want to see that sign, I may have to borrow yours.  You game?

Here's my song to the whole industry.....

7:34pm • #121
JUN
24
2009
107,830 Points Outside Blog

Sorry Jason, I think the sign needs to stay where it is.

Dirty Dancing?

1:25pm • #122
JUL
02
2009

From someone trying to purchase a home, the frustrating part is not being asked for additional items. It is not hearing anything at all. We went with a LO that is in the same office as the sellers agent and our agent, thinking it would make everything easier.  Boy, were we wrong.

The LO has never returned a single phone call or e-mail. We were supposed to close on 6/16 that was postponed to 6/30 and now to 7/10, this would be fine if we had a clue as to what the hold up is.  The lack of communication from the LO has been very frustrating. Finally, went to the office and sat and waited for the LO a couple of days ago and he stated that his has a loan commitment letter that we are still waiting on the appraiser to do a final walk through. Our fear is that the appraiser did the walk through and e-mailed the results and our LO doesn't know how to check his e-mail.  He's a nice guy and if he would keep us updated we may not be so frustrated with the process.

I still don't understand why the process is taking so freakin long. What comes next? I wouldn't want to be a Realtor or a Loan Officer and deal with irritated people, so we are trying to display patience, it's just not easy.

 

 

Home Buyer, Schuylkill Co., PA
8:33pm • #123
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Karl - Sorry; I make somewhat interesting references in my musical selection.  I'll leave it at that:)

Home Buyer - You just nailed the easiest problem to fix.  I don't understand that crap either.  Lack of communication is absolutely ridiculous.  Guess what, I see it all the time and still don't understand why.  I don't care if you've been in this business thirty years, know all the signs of where interest rates may fall within the next few days, or have an avid love affair with the Underwriter... the bottom line is that it seems the folks you are working with are dropping the ball in the simplest version of doing business... communication.  Kudos to you for practicing patience.  I'm in the industry and if it were me, I'd be up their ass so far that Popular Toilet Paper Brands may issue me a lawsuit... or a job opportunity.  This may mean nothing, but give me a call if you want.  You're already on board with them, but maybe I can make the experience a tad bit more appealing.  Every once in awhile you consult someone because you like them, are related to them, understand them, or just feel its intrinsic enough to warrant action.

Here's my cell:  610-653-0317...

No fee, that's free.  Just remember me when your handing out names...

 

9:43pm • #124
JUL
30
2009
1 Featured Post Outside Blog

Well Said, I know it's tough out there and truth is no one wants to say no. We want to make every loan we have an opportunity to take in. Unfortunately there are too many ways to crap out right now. Good Blog.

5:18pm • #125
JUN
01

I'm sick and tired of this whole "closing" crap!!  I made an offer mid March...it was accepted 36 hours later....went for my loan, got the appraisal, inspection....and have a credit rating in the 800's!!!  It is now JUNE and all i keep getting is the run-around.  Still NOOOOOOOOOOOO closing date, and all i keep hearing is, "we are waiting for the underwriter to get back to us"!!!  WHAT?????  I call every day and talk to my mortgage lender and loan officer....and i hear "Im trying"!  I would like all my money back, my earnest money and all the money I put out for the inspection and appraisal.  This sucks!  It sure has made the home buying process horrible for me.  AND THIS IS MY FIRST HOME!!!  I give up!

sara
2:09pm • #127

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