If you leave a comment, Russel will visit your blog and comment.At my recent inspection that reconnected me -- courtesy of ActiveRain -- with a Realtor that I hadn't worked with for six years, there were two electric panels in the home.

Although the home was built in 1946, the electric system had been upgraded, probably in the mid-1970s judging from all the clues on the property.

Many older homes here in San Diego originally had the electric meter outside and the electric panel inside somewhere, quite often in the master bedroom closet. When properties they were upgraded decades later, the main electric panel was usually moved to an exterior location near the electric meter.

In this 1946 home, a 1970s electric panel had been installed outside at the electric meter, and the panel in the closet was being used as a subpanel. Unfortunately, the closet subpanel was manufactured by Federal Pacific Electric (FPE). FPE panels are known to be problematic, and whenever I find one, I automatically recommend replacing it with a modern panel, and if the panel was in the closet, the electrician can upgrade the location at the same time.

If you are a Realtor taking a listing, or a Seller, or a Buyer, or an Investor, I think the electric panel is something that you should look at before taking the listing, or selling, or buying, or investing. You don't even need to do anything other than look at the panel cover and possibly open it.

For example, here's the exterior of an FPE electric panel:

Federal Pacific Electric panel

 

Here is the inside of the panel when you open the cover:

Federal Pacific Electric panel

 

FPE circuit breakers may fail to trip in response to an overcurrent or a short circuit. A circuit breaker that may not trip does not afford the protection that is intended and required, creating a fire hazard. Simply replacing the circuit breakers might not be a reliable repair.

A common "defense" of the electric panel is that "it's always been there and hasn't caused any problems." Electric panels in and of themselves typically do not "cause any problems." It is the electric components or appliances that typically cause problems, e.g., a short in an appliance, an electric outlet, or a light switch.

Electric panels and circuit breakers are designed to prevent personal injury and property damage in the event of a short (or other problem) by shutting down the electric current to the faulty appliances or electrical components. The fact that there "have not been any problems" simply means that the electric wiring, switches, and outlets; and the appliances using the wiring, switches, and outlets, have not had any problems.

There is no official recall on these panels because the company that made them has been out of business for almost 20 years.

If you see "Federal Pacific Electric," "FPE," and/or "Stab-lok," you know that you have a problematic electric panel. Can you imagine taking a listing and telling the Sellers to replace all their burned out light bulbs and spruce up the place, perhaps having the carpets steam-cleaned or deep vacuumed, only to read the next day about a fire that destroyed the home you were just about to list?

Readers wishing to know more about the specific problems associated with this electric panel can visit the following four web pages:

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10 Comments on Your electric panel is not there to cause problems, it's there to prevent them

JUN
22
259,587 Points

Great post with valid info thanks for sharing and enlightening everyone.

6:33pm • #1
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HUH?  Who knew?  But I have to share with you that recently a listing that has had the power turned off, the power company would not turn back on without a city inspection of the property.  The panel box was located outside and had to be moved INSIDE before they would "bless" it and turn the power back on at the property. 

6:37pm • #2
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Hey, Diane - There's another brand of electric panel that is particularly problematic, too. I'll do a post on that brand soon.

Hey, Tammy - California is actually the only state where I have worked where the electric panel is located outside on an exterior wall. From what I've been told -- and it's only hearsay -- the police and firefighters demanded such locations many years ago so that if they had to get inside they could easily turn all the power off at the electric panel. Okay, but so can the crooks. In other states, the police or firefighters would simply contact the utility company and tell them to turn the power off to the residence.

7:15pm • #3
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Russel, we see a good many of the Federal Pacific boxes and I have had many an inspector warn my buyers about them! Thank you for a good lesson about these pesky boxes!!

8:42pm • #4

Russel, thank you for the heads-up!  In Florida we have the upgraded boxes inside... but I will keep my eyes open for the FPE label!

10:50pm • #5
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Umm. Just a thought, but if we start looking at electric panels, the seller is going to want to know why. Once we start telling them why, we're working outside the scope of our liscencing. And we've been warned repeatedly to not do that. Can't we get into trouble for offering any advice?

11:59pm • #6
JUN
23

Russel - Interesting.  I was out Saturday showing a property and pointed out this very issue to my buyers. 

1:57pm • #7
JUN
24

Changed mine 4 years ago to Square D and the FPE was working perfectly at the time.

4:38pm • #8
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One of the properties I showed yesterday had an FPE panel. I learned well while I was a home inspector.

8:35pm • #9
JUN
26

Thanks Russell,  I've heard of issues with these panels, and your post is excellent.  Your article is well researched and the pictures & links make is a great resource.  I've subscribed to your blog and will browse through your other entries.  My daughter just bought a home with one of these panels and it's on her list of things to upgrade.

Jeff

3:28pm • #10

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