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I had an interesting situation the other day. I was asked to do a "rodent" inspection. I have never before, specifically, done an inspection for, in this case, Mr Rat. However there is a first time for everything.

The interesting thing is why I was asked to do this. A refinance is taking place. An appraiser came in and looked in the crawl space and he saw some torn insulation on a heating duct.

As inspectors know, appraisers too I guess, this does have the look of chewing vermin. So far it seems like we were dealing with a pretty much on top of it appraiser. Maybe we were.

But when the bank ordered this "rodent" inspection, I went out to the home. First I found the crawl space with the torn insulation. Sure enough, there were signs of rats. But then we get to the more interesting part, at least in my book. Walking around the house I found another very visible crawl space door. It was rotted away. It had a hole in it the size of a saucer.

When I pulled the cover off, thinking I would go in there too, I discovered that it was the most water I have ever seen in a crawl space in my life. There were polywogs or bugs or something swimming in the water. The water was 6" deep.

I put my camera down there and, obviously the water was not merely at the entry.

So my question is this: Did the appraiser, since it was inaccessible, just exclude that wet crawl space and not bother to call for a further inspection? Or did he report the water and the bank ignored that information, not knowing that water in a crawl space is bad? It is strange either way because long term damage from that lake will probably far exceed damage from rats. Maybe the rats will drown.

Steven L. Smith

Bellingham WA Home Inspections

 

        

        

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51 Comments on Would a Rat Swim It?

JUN
26
2009
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You didn't say what was swirling in the water.  Maybe it was an earlier appraiser.  Worse yet:  it might hae been a prior inspector.

1:35am • #1
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H-m-m-m You did not get out your scuba gear to further investigate? I have my trained otter for jobs such as this. I just tie my water proof camera to his head and off he goes...

3:44am • #2
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What a mess!  Need to carefully check all properties for water damage in this market. Lots of deferred maintenance and neglect is found in REO properties.

5:01am • #3
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How many ways can a home owner neglect a property??

Let me count the ways.

  1. Vermin
  2. Water
  3. . . . . .
5:27am • #4
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Nastiness !! Every once in a while I see houses that I can't believe humans lived there. . .

5:35am • #5
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I would not want a rat or water in a crawl space....  I believe that a rat would swim "like rats from a sinkling ship"  creepy, creepy, creepy

6:10am • #6
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If I was the buyer I think I would pass on this one. There's no telling how much damage could be causes by this.

6:14am • #7
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I am scared of rodents . I did not even look at the pictures that you posted.

6:38am • #8
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Love the Title- as most sailors will atest to...rats always flee a sinking ship...

6:43am • #9

Isn't there a squirrel around somewhere that handles this kind of situation?

6:54am • #10
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Home inspectors come up with the craziest pictures. Thanks for sharing this one. How do humans live?

7:32am • #11

Steven,

I have no desire to trade jobs with you!  Wonder if the listing advertised this swimming pool...

7:49am • #12
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As you said your discoveries beg a few questions. It always seems when a bank owns a property strange things occur during the sale. Yours is a case in point.

7:49am • #13
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Reminds me of the old country-folk song, "How highs the water mama? Five feet high and risin".

7:51am • #14
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Good eye, Mr. Inspector! 

I sat on a hearing panel several years ago where the buyers went after the agent for failing to notify them that there was "standing water in the crawl space."  It seems that notation was on the pest certificate, which had been dropped off in the agent's offce for him to deliver to the lender (who among us has ever opened and read something dropped off for us to deliver?).  The situation came to light when they lost phone service, and the phone repair guy determined that lines under the house had been damaged by the standing water, and that's when the buyer/detectives started trying to "pin" the situation on someone.  Of course, they had waived a home inspection. 

7:54am • #15
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Steven, You couldn't pay me enough to be a home inspector LOL. Great job with your discovery!

8:08am • #17
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I have nothing to say but. "Yuck . . . yuck . . . yuck . . . yuck . . . .yuck, and yuck!"

9:07am • #18
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Ditto Melissa & Barb!  I have to ask.  Do you enjoy what you do for a living?

9:16am • #19
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Steven - you are a better man than I... I don't think I would have gone down there either... Creepy indeed... I'm not a fan of rats swimming or not....

9:32am • #20
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Needless to say, I did not go in that side. The other side was dank but largely inaccessible due to low clearances. It was not such a complex crawl, that part I could go in. The other part, of course, had the special inspection by the certifried assistant. He discovered water.

10:03am • #21
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Not good, not good at all. That would concern more than a Rat for sure. Good catch.

10:16am • #22

All right, so I'm a home seller or wanting to rel-fi and know there is going to be an inspection.  How about checking my own home for the obvious clean-up and repairs that may be needed not only to get my home sold or refinanced, but just BASIC maintenance.  Wow does not sum it up fully.  I am more amazed at the owner letting it go that far as the inspector (possibly) ignoring more basic problems than rats.

Great post, thanks for sharing.

10:31am • #23
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Just change the documents to read "Swim Space" and all is good:)

10:51am • #24
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Actually I like what I do. One has to realize that the bulk of the job does not involve rats or crawl spaces. They are something we look at, crawl spaces, but certainly only a percentage of the inspection. As for rats, I see there traces more often than not -- even in million dollar homes for the record.

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We have never been asked to do a rodent inspection, but we have seen plenty of intersting things in the crawlspaces. 

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1:25pm • #26
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OK.  I have a work for this.  Yucky!  Admittedly from my 5 year old grandson.  Can you just imagine all the nasty things thriving in that atmosphere.  Again I say,  Yucky!

1:48pm • #27
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Well that's just great! I love the high powered and stealth equipment your assistant is using in situations like this  :) ~Rita

2:52pm • #28
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Stever....you got me going......you must be one of my brothers!  Hey I love the pic in your comment secton. Is that the resuer?

2:54pm • #29

Wow, the areas you get to crawl around in!! I can't say that I envy you!!

3:20pm • #30
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Rita,

Nutsy makes quite a bit of extra income doing those wet crawl space inspections.

3:37pm • #31
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Good featured blog.  But the question remains?  Was there a rat infestation?  And I hate for Nutsy's enemies to get hold of this blog.

3:47pm • #32
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Mrs Barbara,

I can answer that. We saw no live rodents, the boss or me, but there were rodent droppings and it was totally disgusting.

Godson Nutsy

4:13pm • #33
JUN
27
2009

So will the bank refi on a house that obviously has major issues?

9:27am • #34
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Heather,

I guess so. I do not know just how much the bank really understands about all this.

9:33am • #35
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Steven, The banks are as clueless as your assistant, believe me. Kate

10:35am • #36
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Mrs Kate,

You are totally out of line here. This is a serious blog about rodents and you "sneak" in being the sneaky poster that you are and make a nasty comment about me, when in fact I did the rodent inspection in my special vessel that the boss purchased for just this kind of crawl space debacle. You should be very ashamed of your vindictive and mean-spirited attack.

Nutsy S. Wallenda

Certifried home inspector assistant

10:44am • #37
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You sure are testy this morning and overly sensitive.

I was going to say I'd take your comments under advisement until I noticed your new picture is giving us a true indication of your bulk. 

You may be able to fool one Active Rainer (sorry Ms Barbara) all of the time but you don't fool the rest of us ANY of the time. You are one BIG rodent.

Kate

12:15pm • #38
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All-in-all, I don't see the big deal here.  The seller simply needs to install a sump pump to get rid of the water.  The rat problem could then easily be handled by releasing 4-5 snakes into the crawlspace:)

1:02pm • #39
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Hmmm... Snakes and Nutsy... I think I'm likin' the sounds of this. Kate

1:07pm • #40
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Mrs Kate,

You are a very rude and un-nice lady. I have friends who can visit you. I am not sure you are ready for that kind of fireworks.

Nutsy W

1:53pm • #41
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This is too good to be true. Yeehaw, Cowgirl Kate is running for the matches.

 

KaaaaaaBAM!!!

4:47pm • #42
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Mrs Kate,

It seems to me that it is time for a reckoning. I think that you are dissing me. I think that, from now on, you should refer to me as Master Nutsy or perhaps, Mr Wallenda. You never say "Gee Mr Wallenda, I really appreciate your mind". You are always negative, yet I call you Mrs Kate, even though you are a spinster. You should show me the same respect that I show you. I am a squirrel of honor you know.

Nutsy S. Wallenda

4:54pm • #43
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"Gee Mr Wallenda, I really appreciate your mind" = Laughing so hard the neighbors can hear

...and Nutzy has a mind? Whodathunk?  Kate

 

 

5:02pm • #44
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I'll bet the rats moved out and into the upper level.  Check the attic?

5:14pm • #45
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Mrs Kate,

Will you please ask Mr Charles Buell if it is not true that, as one of his most trusted business advisors, I have given him advice that has allowed his home appraisal business to thrive during difficult economic times. So there.

Nutsy

5:30pm • #46
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I bet you were one of those kids that bit and pushed on the playground and then ran home crying. Kate

5:38pm • #47
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Steve - I am guessing there is a remedy, but mold would be the biggest risidual issue. 

6:35pm • #48
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Carol,

Mold, rot and attracting wood destroying organisms are all big issues there.

6:41pm • #49
JUN
28
2009
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Gee Steve, you get all the good jobs. 

11:38pm • #50
JUL
04
2009
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Jack,

If you want to fly out here, Nutsy and I can use a hand.

7:47pm • #51

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