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Buyers Making Multiple Offers. What the........................?

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Real Estate Broker/Owner with Tutas Towne Realty, Inc and Garden Views Realty, LLC BK607690

Big headHi folks. This post is a follow up to my recent post My Buyer only wants one house. Why make 14 offers? If you haven’t read that one….I’ll give you a brief synopsis. It’s about making offers on multiple properties even though my Buyers intent is to only purchase one of them.

I’m writing this post for clarity. I want to clarify what I’m doing and I need clarity on a few of the comments that were left.

First, a few people mentioned that they MUST have an escrow deposit in hand prior to submitting a purchase offer. If this is a law……….show it to me. I don’t believe it.

Secondly, I had two agents from Georgia comment about what their purchase contracts state about disclosure.

One said:
 
"In GA we actually have something in our contracts specifically for this. A checkbox in which the buyer must disclose whether this is their only offer or if they have others in the hopper simultaneously."
 
The other wrote this:

"Actually, here in GA the Purchase Offer has a box to check for the buyer to either have or not have the right to enter into a contract on another property."

One’s talking about offers the other is talking about contracts. Which is it? I would be SHOCKED if there were a State law in any State that stated a Buyer had to disclose if they were making offers on more than one property. If there is……show it to me. I don’t believe it.

OK….I’m not trying to be a dick....I just want clarity. These things are important. Sometimes things we think are illegal or unethical are not. If I’m wrong..... I want to be corrected. It’s how I learn.

Now let me clarify a couple of things.

  • I only use this tactic on REO properties.
  • I only use this tactic when working with experienced Investors with cash.
  • My Buyers do not back out of contracts. They do however withdraw offers.
  • There is no chance in heck of a Bank signing off on an offer without coming back with a stack of addendums.
  • Offers are presented with escrow deposit being deposited within 24 hours of acceptance.
  • My Buyers are making very strong, over list price, cash offers with the intent of purchasing the property.
  • If the offer is accepted in a timely fashion my Buyers will go under contract.

I think that’s it. Maybe when Wendy and I get finished with “Short Sale Basics” we’ll jump over to “Dealing With Buyers in a REO Market”. What do you think?

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Comments(76)

Rob Arnold
Sand Dollar Realty Group, Inc. - Altamonte Springs, FL
Metro Orlando Full Service - Investor Friendly & F

I can't speak for anyone else and I can't speak for Georgia law, but this is how I've done things in Florida. 

Earnest money deposit.  Our office policy is to never collect a deposit check until after an offer gets accepted unless the check is already deposited into a title company escrow account (which is seldom, if never).  We always put due within 1 day (or more) after acceptance. So many Realtors seem to think that a contract is not valid without a deposit.  Totally wrong.  A contract is not valid without CONSIDERATION.  And the consideration in the contract is the agreement to pay the purchase price for the property.

I can't imagine anyone caring whether a buyer is buying more than one property.  Why would it even matter?  I remember back in 2003 where I bought 3 properties within a week's time - all distressed deals.  Even today I have buyers buying multiple properties. It's a numbers game for investors.  You make 10 offers to get hopefully 2-3 accepted.

Jun 30, 2009 01:33 AM
Dan Magstadt
Paramount Residential Mortgage Group, Inc - Lake City, FL

I can't imagine there being a problem with writing multiple offers...especially with the criteria you talk about - We encourage regular homebuyers (non-investors) to put multiple offers on REO/short sales.

You have to unless you have 6 months to find a property.

Jun 30, 2009 02:23 AM
Diane Aurit
LKN Realty, LLC - Mooresville, NC
Lake Norman Real Estate

Hmmm, I guess your approach makes sense, especially for investors.  I have never encouraged my buyers to make for than one offer at a time but I don't see why one couldn't do exactly what you are doing in any state.  As you have said, even if the EMD is part of the contract, if the contract is not accepted by all parties then there is no risk. The only time I could see this as risky is when a buyer is writing full price...or if the seller accepts the offer with no changes.  It might get a bit dicy to refuse to acknowledge the acceptance.

Jun 30, 2009 06:42 AM
Connie Betz
Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices Ambassador Real Estate - Omaha, NE
Top Omaha Realtor - Omaha Homes for Sale

I've submitted multiple offers for my buyers before and always add:

1.  ED to be received within 2 days of accepted offer.

2.  Contract not valid until buyer signs again here _________________________________.

Jun 30, 2009 08:47 AM
Daniel J. Hunter
REALTOR® - New Port Richey, FL

very interesting all these varying requirements.

here in Florida the standard is Escrow of $XX will be deposited upon acceptance.   A salesperson must deposit a received escrow into an account within 24 hours, or must give it to the Broker who has 48 hours.   So I just have my clients write a check to teh title company, make a photocopy to send with the offer, and than have them tear up the check.  Typically  a copy of escrow is only required in SS  & REOs.  And since they take so damn long to reply, I am not going to have my clients tie up escrow monies for an indefininte amont of time.

Now in Florida a contract is not legally binding until it is signed by all parties, returned to the buyer fully executed, and Accepted by the buyer.  so just because you put in multiple offers it does not mean that if you have multiple acceptances that your client is bound to any of them.   Plus I use 24 hour to 48 hour offer expirations so the offer has usually expired by the time they get back to us to accept.  On top of that I encourage all my Buyers to do As-Is Contracts so they can break it anytime during the inspection period, no questions asked. 

Now a client Plymouth, MA who is now a friend can not believe how real estate is done down here.  He actually said 'it's like we are in another country' LOL

Jun 30, 2009 11:00 AM
Daniel J. Hunter
REALTOR® - New Port Richey, FL

almost forgot about the original topic: Multiple offers I am sorry, but I usually have buyers submitting multiple offers.  Not on one day, over the course of time, because negotiations are taking longer, Listing Agents are 'holding out for more money' and way too many deals fall apart before closing.  I believe last month 1/2 of all our firms contracts fell apart before closing. 

So some may not like it, but i think it is in my Clients Best Interests to find them as many oppurtunities as possible, given the low contract to closing ratio here.   Afterall for most people there is not Just One perfect fit house.  And I do not care if my buyers have a contract, have mortgage approval and have finished inspections, I still encourage them, although i encourage discretion, I encourage them to keep looking at houses, in case the current deal falls apart.   Hopefully things wiill stabilize soon, but for now this is what is in my buyers best interest.   As far as telling a seller whether my buyer has multiple offers, I see it as none of their business, just as i see it as none of a buyers business how many offers my seller has.

Jun 30, 2009 11:07 AM
Ron Parise
LocateHomes.com - Cape Coral, FL

I advise my buyer clients to make multiple bids all the time.(sometimes on properties that neither my client nor I have seen) As I see it there is only one danger and that is the possibilitiy of multiple acceptances at the same time. My protection is the inspection clause in the Florida Far-Bar as-is contract. I specify an inspection period within which my client can withdraw his bid for any reason. I also set the date for the good faith deposit to coincide with the end of the inspection period. 

Jun 30, 2009 04:24 PM
William James Walton Sr.
WEICHERT, REALTORS® - Briotti Group - Waterbury, CT
Greater Waterbury Real Estate

Cash buyers can make as many offers on as amny properties as they wish. Whose business is it if they do? If they have the funds to follow through on all of them, then great! That's the only thing that should really matter.

Jun 30, 2009 07:05 PM
Anonymous
Anonymous

I kind of wish Tim Moncrief who posted at #9 would come back and give us his response. Seems like he is the only person who objects to multiple offers in the REO environment. If I were a bank, I would think the more offers the better. Tim's view is so far outside what most people are saying about REOs here I'm really interested in getting a better understanding of where he is coming from.

Jul 01, 2009 01:32 AM
#66
Tammy Lankford,
Lane Realty Eatonton, GA Lake Sinclair, Milledgeville, 706-485-9668 - Eatonton, GA
Broker GA Lake Sinclair/Eatonton/Milledgeville

It is in our contract, but it is not law.  If you choose not to disclose this to be a legal and binding agreement it should be "struck" from the contract and not just left blank.   Contract classes teach us that we don't just leave blanks.  And you DO NOT have to have any earnest money in Georgia so long as you disclose the fact in the contract.  And BB,  just for fun, if you want to take a look at the GAR purchase and sale agreement I'd be happy to email you a .pdf of it if you send me your email address via AR.  I don't think I can attach it to a AR email from my end to get it to you.

Jul 01, 2009 11:57 AM
Sharon Alters
Coldwell Banker Vanguard Realty - 904-673-2308 - Fleming Island, FL
Realtor - Homes for Sale Fleming Island FL

Bryant, in your market working with REO listers and investors, I would do the same thing. As to reputation, everyone knows what agents have to do to get the job done for the buyers, especially in Poinciana.  As long as your deposit is contingent on acceptance of the contract, you're fine. States that haven't had the firestorm of short sales and foreclosures that we have can afford to operate differently.

Sharon

Jul 02, 2009 05:00 AM
Silvia Dukes PA, Broker Associate, CRS, CIPS, SRES
Tropic Shores Realty - Ich spreche Deutsch! - Spring Hill, FL
Florida Waterfront and Country Club Living

I have customers who do put in offers on multiple properties on REOs but especially with short sales because they take for ever and ever without certainty of success.  Should they wait a few months for an answer and then find another property to make an offer on? I think not. Unless the banks do speed up their processing time and make it easier for willing and able buyers to actually buy, this mind set will not go away.

Jul 05, 2009 02:35 AM
Pacita Dimacali
Alain Pinel - Oakland, CA
Alameda/Contra Costa Counties CA

I live in California....

Each time I submit an offer, I do get a check from the buyers for the initial deposit. But I only submit a COPY of that check with the offer. The check is held in safekeeping at my broker's safe until there is an accepted offer. Immediately after we receive confirmation of a formal acceptance, we open escrow and deposit that check.

On Short Sales, we have an addendum where we specify how many days our offer is good for --- 45 days is probably the norm. We check a box if we want that initial deposit check UNCASHED until there is formal acceptance.

On REOs, even if the listing agent gives me a verbal...I don't start the escrow process until I get the formal written acceptance. One listing agent told me my offer was accepted ....then he calls me back the next day to tell me another offer came in, and would I resubmit my client's best and highest offer?

In my neck of the woods, the entry level market of $300K and below is overheated. One property received 80 offers; another had 60. Last Friday, I wrote an offer on a property that was just listed Thursday, and they already had 25 offers. Even after writing an offer for $30K over list price with shortened contingencies, we still didn't get it.

So why shouldn I write multiple offers for my clients? If we get accepted, then we move forward with the accepted offer and withdraw the rest. Some of these listing agents are so busy fielding offers, that one of them has even told me it won't hurt her feelings if I withdraw.

Jul 12, 2009 03:36 PM
Daniel J. Hunter
REALTOR® - New Port Richey, FL

Pacita That is interesting.  In Florida I have only 24 hours to deposit earnest money in an escrow account.  If I give the check to my broker he has 48 hours. 

Jul 13, 2009 05:46 AM
Carolyn Todd
Mentone Cabins Realty, LLC - Mentone, AL

Great subject with great discussion.  Thanks everyone.

Sep 20, 2009 04:04 AM
Anonymous
Sharon Koziel

Making multiple offers is the least of my problems!  The REO agents here in CA are asking for each buyer to be approved or pre-qualified by their lender but they make it so hard to get a hold of the mortgage rep that it can take days to get the required documentation.  I had one last weekend that wouldn't talk to my buyer because she said she worked for a bank and would not need to receive a loan from them but just needed a letter to submit with the offer as instructed by the listing agent.  With the banks taking so long to respond the buyer is often hurt on his FICO score because of all these requests. 

I also had a verbal acceptance and then the next day was asked for our highest and best offer!  These banks are playing all sorts of games and the poor buyers are just lost. 

I have been a REALTOR for 29 years and I never have seen the lack of professionalism that is out there today.  The agents are not answering their phones and won't return emails.  I have one offer that I don't even know if they received it!!!  All I am asking for is a phone call or email.  Of course all offers had to be emailed and the REO agent is a single man office so I can't drop by the office to check things out. Of course he's out of area which is another great thing banks are doing with their REO listings.

This market would be so much better if the banks would give listings to local agents, agents would put the correct status in the MLS and would answer phone calls and emails. 

Sep 20, 2009 09:11 AM
#73
Kerry Jenkins
Prime Properties - Crestline, CA

All banks submit addendums back, which is essentially a counter offer.  So if a buyer doesn't have multiple pokers in the fire in this market then they might not get any house.  I had the same situation as Konnie.  Accepted the terms and sent over the addendums which my buyers signed(against my advice since they wanted all contingencies automatically removed within 17days, which is impossible) and had them back.  In transmit hell, the agent emailed me and said highest and best right now!  My clients were pissed.... so every buyer needs to do what's best for them

Sep 21, 2009 09:11 AM
Johanna Roy
BRIX Real Estate - Saint Paul, MN
The Name Friends Recommend

My buyers have all written offers on multiple homes. You have too, you can't wait around on one offers for weeks even months to hear from these banks. That means I would be working with one buyer for over a year. I think 6-7 months right now is long enough. Buyers are always having to put their highest and best, how does one Really know if there are other offers on the home? You don't you are taking the listing agents word when they send over the mulitple offer form to be signed. It's all a game and one that buyers are getting tired of playing!

Dec 30, 2009 01:43 AM
Anonymous
Joe

As an REO agent, i had an asset manager demand from buyer's agent EMD deliver to listing office and fax him a copy before he signed on the contract. -California

Jun 13, 2011 05:12 PM
#76
Pete Xavier
Investments to Luxury - Pacific Palisades, CA
Outstanding Agent Referrals-Nationwide

I see this is a few years old.

In CA now we can wire transfer EMD into escrow within 3 days after acceptance.

Aug 31, 2012 12:28 PM