For new ActiveRain members who aren't familiar with Matt Heaton, read his blog. 

If you're looking for a "rosie scenario", you won't find it here.  If you're interested in understanding why this mess has lagged on for so dang long, read Matt's blog for the past year or so. 

Folks have ceased to ask me when I think we'll dig out of the mess and hearing my last prediction of "hopefully 5 years". 

All I can say is "save your money and stay out of the mall".  We're in for a bumpy ride.

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Via Matt Heaton (Timu Corp - CEO, ActiveRain - Co-founder):

My in my last blog post a mid-year update to my 2009 market and economic predictions I got multiple comments about the economic threat of inflation or even hyper-inflation rearing it's ugly head.

"It will be interesting to see how those TARP funds play out and what the aftermath will be.  My guess will be massive inflation.... think about it this way."

"One thing is for certain. If inflation rears its ugly head, interest rates will increase to combat that."

"Still have you noticed how no one is talking about the inflation rate?   We know that in order to spend the "trillions" that more money will have to be printed."

This also seems to be the common thread in the media and much of the financial world, everybody is expecting or thinks we are currently experiencing a huge, hidden inflation.  I'm going to lay out the case, why I not only don't any evidence of it, I expect the opposite, a very deflationary outcome, over the next several years.

Truth be told the central banks around the world, including our FED, are desparately trying to return to an inflationary environment.  There is nothing they fear more than deflation, but their efforts to reignite the inflationary engine can only be described as an epic failure.

We already had the massive inflation through credit expansion

For about a 5 year period between 2002-2007 and maybe a little bit before the US went through a massively inflationary period, not represented by the standard government inflation or money supply numbers. It was caused by what many sometimes refer to as the "shadow banking" system (because it doesn't show up in the numbers) that drove massive credit expansion.

Not that it was exactly very hidden.  It drove speculative bubbles all around us, both residential and commercial real estate, commodities, corporate debt fueling leveraged buy outs and equities.  If you believed the CPI numbers published you saw inflation rates of around 2-3% during this period.  Several economists have calculated the real inflation rate was actually somewhere between 10-15% annually during this period.  This lead to both real interest rates that were very negative, and also a very negative real wage growth. 

The last year and a half we've seen the exact opposite, a massive credit contraction, driving deflation across almost all asset classes.  Just as the government numbers as an artifact of what they measure severelly understated the inflationary period they are massively understating the amount of deflation that is ocurring.  Look around at real estate, stocks, bonds, commodities.  Do you see rising or falling prices over the last two years?

Credit destruction is MANY times larger than credit creation

The most common inflationary argument is the FED and other central banks are printing trllions, upon trillions of dollars that are being pumping into the system.  While there has been a couple trillion in money put into the system, the actual amount used to monitize debt through quantitative easying is only around a trillion or less.  Now counter balance a trillion vs. over $50 trillion in global wealth destruction in 2008 alone.  What's the bigger number?  To put in bluntly the FED and other central banks are merely pissing into the wind with their efforts.

The money isn't moving

Now here is the real crux of the problem for central banks why money supply creation and stimulus are not having their intended inflationary effect.  While the technical definition of inflation is size of the money supply, all the inflationary effects people worry about are instead driven by the velocity of money.  A small amount of money moving very fast through an economy creates more inflationary effects than a large amount of money sitting on a balance sheet plugging holes.

In fact the velocity of money has completely collapsed as it's being used to pay down and service debts or cover losses.  The last time the velocity of money was this slow, was heading into the Great Depression.  Below is a chart of MZM the broadest measure of monetary velocity.

The hyperinflationary setup

For those people worried about imminent hyper-inflation, it might be worth looking historically at characteristics of hyper-inflationary collapses.  There have been dozens of well documented ones throughout history, some of the ones that come of most peoples minds first are the Weimer Republic in 1920's Germany and recently in Zimbabwe.

Hyperinflation almost always occurs following a severe deflationary collapse.  While I've made my case we are experiencing deflation right now, we are no where near what would be considered a collapse, yet.  It also ocurrs in a countries that base purchasing power on a stable foreign currency.  In other words if you have the world reserve currency like the US dollar, is near impossible to get hyperinflation.  It's much more likely you see hyperinflation in foreign countries that attempt to peg their currencies to the US dollar, which would result in a relative strengthening of the dollar. 

I could see us, creating a setup for hyperinflation if the dollar looses reserve currency status, and we experience a deflationary collapse, but it would take us several years to get there.

Interest rates rising without inflation

Ok, so I've gone on record saying I expect rising interest rates and possibly a crash in the US Treasury market within the next year.  If rates are rising doesn't that imply inflation?  Well not exactly...

Inflationary expectations are only one component of what sets interest rates, the other major one is risk of default.  The higher the risk of default the higher rates must go.  It's this rising risk of default that I expect to significantly push up rates not inflation.  In fact the rising rates may have a highly deflationary impact as it will further choke off credit, stalling economic recovery.

More charts, "Dude, where's my inflation?"

 

 

 

 

8 Comments on The case against inflation

JUL
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Not a very rosy picture you paint. I am hopeful about the future but getting into a debt free position is a high priority.

5:12pm • #1
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Hi Lenn

Thanks for re-posting the blog I agree we are headed to a high inflation cycle.

Good luck and success.

Lou Ludwig

6:16pm • #2
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Lenn,

Timely reblog. 

...rising rates may have a highly deflationary impact as it will further choke off credit, stalling economic recovery.  Without credit freely flowing, the world as we know it will return to the late 1940s.  I like your suggestion about staying out of the malls, unless what you're buying is marked down and paid for with cash.

Mike in Tucson

6:34pm • #3
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Lenn- Matt writes some great posts and I am glad you reblogged it. More people need to understand economics, at least as it pertains to their personal affairs:)

6:54pm • #4
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My husband just checked a book out of the library on the Great Depression.  He believes that as Americans, we still have no idea how bad things can get for us economically and that we are still taking finances for granted with the packed malls, etc.

9:09pm • #5
JUL
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Matt brings up some really good points here.  While the Fed has indeed increased their balance sheet, there has also been a lot of wealth and money sucked out of the system as well between the stock market, real estate, as well as credit.

Truthfully, I'm not sure what to make of inflation, I do think, that as Matt pointed out, rates will indeed need to rise in the future.  This will be the final chapter of this housing depression, rising mortgage rates, it is still a couple of years off.

9:34am • #6
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I fully agree with you Lenn!  Great post!  What persons have to understand is that first we will witness a deflationary spiral.  In real estate we are already seeing this.  It can be a long drawn out process and who knows how long it will go on since we have such massive government interference.  The next item is inflation.  Someone has to pay for all of this.  In Germany they are lowering the costs of all taxes so when bottom is hit...they will be in an incredible competitive position to move forward with a real recovery.  Meanwhile our government is already planning major new taxes including 'cap and trade' that will drive our taxes through he roof and and prolong any chance of a quick recovery.

3:53pm • #7
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aaaahhh this is such an interesting debate.....  

there seems to be little question that a creation of a new world reserve currency would cause a rather steep increase in rates.  hopefully when and if that happens (my money is on WHEN), it will be a basket of currencies and not some new global fiat currency created out of thin air.  At least that would keep some kind of demand for the dollar once we've printed so much that we start to run out of ink.  

Not to mention, it's debatable as to whether or not there is much demand for mortgage securities by anyone other than the Fed at this point.  Kind of scary to see how much mortgage debt the government is taking on with the threat of continuing deflation still in the crosshairs.   I wonder what mortgage rates would be right now if the Fed wasn't buying them up like they are right now. 

all this being said, how can we avoid hyperinflation over the long term, especially with a 65 Trillion dollar gap in our long term obligations.   It seems we have only three real choices: 1) raise taxes to a level that would physically exceed incomes 2)print enough money to pay off the debt (hyperinflation) or 3) eliminate or completely overhaul entitlement programs.  That means social security and medicare, not just welfare for illegal aliens and people that don't want to work.  That's a hard sell to the public, and i doubt either political party would risk it until it's completely obvious to the general public that we're about to hit "rock bottom".  Reminds me of the show "Intervention". 

The government needs to come up with a way that people my age and younger can gradually opt out of entitlement programs to ease the burden on future generations.  I'm perfectly fine with the idea that i'm 100% responsible for my own destiny and i think most of my generation realizes that those programs will either be gone or seriously underfunded by the time we're older anyway.  Perhaps that would be one alternative that could help us both stimulate the economy and perhaps help to solve the mega-budget crisis that will once again rear its head once we are (hopefully) able to get the economy past this massive asset and banking bubble caused by terrible regulation and infinite leveraging by the banks. 

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