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Sex With a Porcupine Or How We Are Different

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Real Estate Broker/Owner with Daytona Condo Realty, 386-405-4408

Yesterday I posted Screwing a Porcupine Is Against The Law. Avoid The Temptation. I did not do it to shock the public, as I wasn't really shocked myself. I was laughing reading that article. I knew that it could have happened. And then I read the comments... 

Oh my....

I knew that there is a gap between American and Russian mentality, but I did not know that it was so wide. This just tells me how different we actually are.

RussiaYou see, for me and my wife the story, even if it was not true, was in line with the Russian mentality and character. It is a different world, where life and health have different value (if you could ever read Babel's "Red Cavalry", you will not only enjoy a first class literature, but will have a deeper understanding of what I am talking about. Believe me, if you read it, screwing porcupines would seem like innocuous fun (in terms of unbelievable cruelty to others and upon themselves)

It is not that Russians are stupid as a nation, but it is that Russians would take so much greater risks than Americans even in situations where they put their well-being and even life at stake. Where Americans religiously stop at breaking the law, Russian would use every chance to do it, even if they risk to get hurt, and even if the results can't give them any benefit at all. You tell the Russians that they can't do something, and just watch them. Like these two guys...

If the guys could go and try to screw a porcupine just out of curiosity, what can they do when they are dead serious... and even more drunk?

After reading Sally and David's comment that it would take the guys to drink a whole bottle of vodka to dare screwing a porcupine, we (with my wife) just burst into laughter, as we both know that guys might have had way more than a bottle of vodka (whiskey in this case) between the two of them. One bottle could have made them look for women, but it would take more than one bottle to look for a porcupine...

Let's forget about sex and think how different we are on this planet. If a simple story about two drunk Russians looks so unbelievable to Americans, just think about how wrong we - Americans - may be when dealing with the Russians. If we deal with Russia assuming that they feel as Americans, think as Americans, and act as Americans, would it be reasonable to say that our actions could easily be plain stupid?

The Russians do not act as Americans in similar situations. But in a sense the Russians are still closer to Americans than Iranians, North Koreans, and a bunch of other nations and nationalities. Russia is a Christian country, and blowing themselves up has not gained popularity there. But there are many other places, where the gap between mindsets is much wider, and where blowing themselves up just to kill others, no matter how innocent they might be is a commendable act.

NukeThe fundamental principles for Americans are freedom, respect for life, democracy... There will be very little that would match it with the Russians. But try matching it to the core values of Muslim Iran or socialist North Korea, and they will not be even close.. So, they may blow themselves while Americans would never do that; they will screw porcupines (literally and metaphorically), while Americans would never do that, and they can drop a nuke with no reason (from the American point of view) at all. Because sense and reason are perceived differently.  If I see my destiny in dying for the cause, it makes sense to me and it does not make sense to you. We use different scales, different points of reference. 

I think the difference between the Russian mindset (or mentality) and American is that Americans come from the undisputed value of the individual, hence the respect for individual rights. The Russians never had much respect for individual. Nor in tsarist time, and even less in socialist times. (If you could read outstanding novels of Nobel Prize winner (Literature, 1965) - Mikhail Sholokhov "And Quiet Flows the Don" and "Virgin Soil Upturned", you would enjoy it tremendously and better understand "The Russian Soul", which, according to Dostoevsky, "the most basic, most rudimentary spiritual need of the Russian people is the need for suffering, ever-present and unquenchable, everywhere and in everything"). Do you notice any resemblance to American Core Values? Do you understand that on its deepest level unquenchable need for suffering has nothing to do with respect for life and respect for individual?

It has always been the value of the country over the value of any of the citizens. Country is everything, an individual is nothing. So, do not be surprised that poor and underprivileged would unite under the nationalistic banners and would die for the pride of the nation (in their understanding). You can't imagine how much pride there is. Hence the hype when Putin raged the war against Georgia. The war and victory is feeding the Russian pride and Putin's popularity. And if his popularity would go to dangerously low levels, there may be another war, and it will be a matter of pride again. People in Russia (and not only n Russia) are used to adore the strong hand. Russia, however, would restrain from nuking the world even for the pride (but try running a poll and there will be a lot of people who would be in favor of nuking US). But North Koreans would.  They are tremendously bluffing, and tremendously bullish, but cornered they might press the button. As long as the Great Leader (it is such a poor translation, it is not "leader" the way we understand it here, it is more than a father to whom your obedience is unquestioned) would consider death rather then abandoning the great socialist idea, he would push the button. In that system there is no one to stop him, like there was no one to stop Saddam Hussein.

Russia may go with the idea, like Nazis went with the social/nationalistic/ethnic idea. Terrorists usually come from Muslim fundamentalism, and here you deal with a religious idea, and the individual rights are nowhere to be found even under the microscope.

When we come to them offering democracy, freedom, value of individual, and utmost respect for life, are we preaching to the wall?

Some people think that if we do not bug others, they will not bug us. Actually it is the opposite. Because they are not trying to protect their way of living and breathing and thinking. They are trying to make the whole world think like them, as only then there is a justification for their acts. If it is everywhere, then it is unquestionable. They can't keep up with the developing world, so the only way to prove their mission is to keep the world at their pace and to their liking. If September 11 did not show you that, then history is not a teacher for you

You do not need to take it from me. Every statement from the Fundamentalists claim just that, and sets this as a goal. Not to prevent the West from interfering with their way of living on their soil, no. Just destroying the West. Instilling their values upon the world. If  you do not like it, you dead.

Just as Hamas' goal is not to have the sovereignty and coexist with others, but destruction of Israel. The whole Western civilization is a bone in the throat of Muslim Fundamentalist movement. You can buy time by bowing to them and appeasing them, but another Munich is not a solution. Did not work before, is not going to work now.

Of course on individual level Americans would hardly have sex with porcupines. But on a national level... maybe. Because when I read that we are bringing our values to the world, I am afraid that the goal is wrong, and the results might be as enjoyable as intercourse with a porcupine. When I read that we want to talk to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, it sounds like we want to get in bed with Iran. We will get screwed, in the most painful and unpleasant way.

Can sex with a porcupine be a learning experience?

Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
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Hi Cindy - Don't want to be arrested, do not have sex with minors (meaning the size). No porcupines and you will be OK.

Jul 05, 2009 09:49 AM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
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Sharon - I might have too much chutzpha saying that I do not believe our government really know what they want from the world and they know how to achieve it. Because if the idea is of bringing democracy, it may be like teaching English as a second language to ... porcupines. They do not need it that much.

When we say that we wold not let others, whoever they are, to affect the way we live, then this is a declaration of war, whether today or tomorrow. Because someone wants us dead. Is it a secret?

So, when we declare that we would be nice to the world, and at the same time we would be strong and would not allow them to make our lives miserable, I am getting a mixed message. A confusing one.

Jul 05, 2009 10:22 AM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
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Candice - Meaning that they should have been faster and avoid Russian tourists?

Jul 05, 2009 10:33 AM
William J. Archambault, Jr.
The Real Estate Investment Institute - Houston, TX

Jon,

This shows incredible insight!

Thank you for sharing!

It's to bad the porcupine is so distracting.

"Can sex with a porcupine be a learning experience?"  I'll bet it is!

What bothers me is the though of what the offspring look like!

Bill

 

Jul 05, 2009 10:39 AM
Inna Hardison
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What a way to generalize, Jon... I wonder if any part of me knows the Russians you speak of.  Human beings, thrown into the narrow confines of their landscapes, geographies and stories, not unlike any of ours, at least those of us who still see the ruins of Baalbeck as part of our overal history; the ones  for whom the silk road meant a bit more than tea trade; who see minarets as a tribute to ingenuity of men long gone, much the same way you see that of the founding fathers of this country you call home now...

How very shallow of us to expect that any lonely rock or vale on this planet produces a homogenous mass of rather thoughless homo sapiens...

"Birth I gave you in a desert
Not by chance,
For no king could ever hazard
Its expanse..." - read it Jon, read it again - from one of your own, Russians, but citizens of the World nonetheless

 

 

Jul 05, 2009 03:26 PM
Jason Sardi
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@ Bill - I'm the offspring;)

Jul 05, 2009 03:28 PM
Debe Maxwell, CRS
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Hi Jon!  Amazing analogy--I actually had to read this twice to 'get it.'  I think we all have such different perspectives and always believe that everyone sees the world as we do--therefore making us a bit 'snobbish' to the rest of the world.  However, I will honestly say that on 9/11, I seriously wished that I was young enough to join our armed forces to serve our country as so many have done for me--I realize that would have been a life-changing, possibly life-ending decision but, I was prepared to make it, as were many others.  Because the US is a melting pot of nations, I don't feel that any of our service people think twice about giving their lives for all of those who live in this country--regardless of their nationality.  However, as you say, we're fighting for freedom and deomcracy--and I think that, perhaps, is the difference between Americans and those who would have sex with a porcupine!

Well written, my friend!

Debe in Charlotte

Jul 05, 2009 03:41 PM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
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Scott - I would not argue with you on that. It could be politically correct, but realities and political correctness are not in sync. I guess I should have included zealous orthodox Jews plotting an attack on the State Empire Building in Manhattan, or on Disneyland in California.

Maybe there are terrorists belonging to different denominations, but there is only one religion that mass produces terrorists. I thought it is called Islamic Fundamentalism which in a sense is a product of political correctness). Remember the Nazis? They had a regular army, and they had SS. But they both were under the same system. So far I did not hear that Lutherans teach kindergarten kids that the best thing they can do is die for their G-d, or Catholics calling to wipe out the whole civilization.

"The right-wingers have a facination with human on animal sex. Creepy, isn't it?". Wow, I got labeled.

Scott, you started it, so, let's see how it should be unfolding along the party line: where do the Democrats stand regarding sex with porcupines? Just enjoy it? Or will spend a few trillion dollars on genetically modifying the porcupines so that no idiot can stick there penis where it does not belong? Or genetically modify the idiots?

Get seriously politically correct and things from funny become hilarious

Jul 05, 2009 04:53 PM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
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Kathleen - Now I understand whhy we have so many more rabbits than porcupines (LOL)

 

Jul 05, 2009 05:10 PM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
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Hugh - glad to see you here as always.

Jul 05, 2009 05:28 PM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
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Bill - The offspring is terrific, as yo can see (LOL). Thanks for nice words.

Jul 05, 2009 05:30 PM
Vadim Zolotarevskiy
FunCoast Realty & Management, LLC - Daytona Beach Shores, FL

Wow, that's quite an interesting way of putting things. Pretty unexpected angles, never know what follows

Jul 06, 2009 05:24 AM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
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Hi, offspring,

This is hilarious, congratulations

Jul 06, 2009 01:50 PM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
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Inna - if I can cause a poetic comment like this, I should be proud. I can't argue with you and you know it.

There is no sensible way to dissect a poetry. It would have been stupid for me to try to put together the silky way, the Baalbek (why Baalbek, really?) and all the rest of it and answer in any sensible way.

It  is a generalization, it sure is. It is not to degrade, it is not to laugh at. When you consider black & white, it is a generalization. There are so many shades of black, and there is no white. White is not a color, it is the absence of color, that makes white.

I would not be surprised that no part of you know Russians like this. But you also did not know those who executed millions in GULAG camps. The same land conceived Bethoveen and Hitler.

Какое нам, в сущности, дело,
Что все превращается в прах,
Над сколькими  безднами пела
И в скольких жила зеркалах

I tried to find it in English, but I must admit that while Brodsky is translated brilliantly, Anna Akhmatova is not that lucky, I surfed through some translations, and they are different metrically, and they are so heavy and are not "fluid", light and airy, as in Russian.

I guess they are still waiting for you to translate. 

Jul 06, 2009 03:03 PM
Jenny Kotulak
RE/MAX Real Estate Centre Inc., Brokerage - Oakville, ON
Broker - Oakville Ontario Real Estate

Hi Jon, you must have writer's cramp.  Lots of writing in these past two posts.  If you want something a little lighter to digest check out the post I wrote about the peasants of Rainville the other day with you having a co starring role. :)

 

Jul 06, 2009 04:40 PM
Inna Hardison
ha media group - Orlando, FL
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Jon, that's sort of the point, to me anyway.  Land, as you put it, didn't not conceive Hitler or the Gulags; and yes, I have known those in much the same way I know anything else. 

As for Anna - nope, she is not so lucky, but I have translated a few.  Not that one.  Brodsky translated his own, mostly.:-) 

Jul 07, 2009 02:42 AM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
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Inna,

The one you quoted was not Brodsky's translation as far as I know. But I might be wrong.

Land was in more in bilbical term, more like a womb

Jul 07, 2009 04:25 AM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
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Debe - First, I am so sorry for the delay in responding, I am sort of overwhelmed with comments on a few latest posts, and I am so behind...

I am so much with you when you are  talking about the willingness to join in the fight for democracy and freedom and our right to live our lives, not the lives that terrorists want us to live (actually, all they want is us dead).

But listen to what you are saying. "However, as you say, we're fighting for freedom and democracy--and I think that, perhaps, is the difference between Americans and those who would have sex with a porcupine!".

People in the world do not believe that we might be fighting for democracy and freedom, and not just oil and mineral resources. So they think that there is something very sinister. I know that firsthand, from my years in Russia.

And that would be the difference

Jul 09, 2009 12:36 PM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
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Vadim - There is always more than one way to look at things, we may not know them, but it does not mean that they are not there.

By the way, I heard Microsoft is doing pretty much the same: you can do any operation 3 different ways. Many people use only one, and it is fine, but there are more than one

Jul 09, 2009 12:39 PM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
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Jenny - Did you intend to say "laughter stuff" and not lighter stuff? Anyway, it is great, and I enjoyed  it.

thank you

Jul 09, 2009 12:41 PM