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San Diego Real Estate – Sellers Market, Buyers Market or …………..Lenders Market?

Buyers rule?  Not so fast.  Certainly that's not quite true if the property falls under the category of distressed property. 

Distressed property usually needs far more than a paint job, at least, that's true, or has been up to now in San Diego's  Homes for Sale market. Property is considered distressed if it has been foreclosed by the lender or the owner is seriously late in making payments or the property is upside down.  Upside down meaning that the value of the property is less than the mortgage amount.


So what am I meaning by Lender's market?To define a "Lenders Market", let's first review the characteristics of  a " Seller's Market " and a "Buyers Market".

In defining a "Sellers Market", we usually find a lower than usual and faster moving inventorywith prices generally increasing and the Seller more clearly in control to determine  the outcome of any successful effort to purchase. Buyer's tend to pay more ( often times more than property might be listed for).  Many of the buyers contingencies are either eliminated or greatly reduced.  The time for removal of contingencies is  shortened.  In some cases many of contingencies are negotiated way, such as a buyers typical request for repairs and the length of time the buyer has to obtain services such as appraisal and loan approval.

In a really hot “Seller’s Market”, buyers typically need more  down payment and higher earnest money deposits that may be defaulted if the Buyer fails to consummate the transaction in the exact time frame as outlined in the purchase agreement.

In a “Buyer’s Market”, buyers tend to have greater control of the time frames and also many of the terms and conditions in the contract tend to favor their wants. Sort of a flip of what is found in the “Seller’s Markets”. In a “Buyer’s Market”, buyers typically pay less than they might in an active “Seller’s Market” and usually have a larger selection of properties to choose from.

So what then is a “Lender’s Market”?  A “Lenders Market” is typically where there is a large number of or a majority of the market is made up of distressed property sales. Distressed properties being those where the owner is either in default of keeping the mortgage current or has already been foreclosed upon. A property is also said to be distressed if the value of the property is less than the mortgage or trust deed amount and the owners are unable to keep the mortgage current and want to sell the property. When a property has been foreclosed by a lender, it is called Real Estate Owned ( REO ). When a property owner wants to sell a property for less than is owed on the property, it is referred to as a Short Sale.

A "Lender's Market" might have a combination of many of these characteristics. Many of the buyers benefits in their offer to purchase are striped away including the pest inspection and clearance, closing costs, home warranties and repair requests with the lender opting to sell the property in it's present physical condition. Naturally there are exceptions to this depending on the Lender and whether the distressed property is a short sale or REO. By and large, lenders want the  highest possible price with the least number of contingencies. Only Buyer’s with pre-approved loans are considered and in the case of REO’s, the lenders will give greater priority to All Cash offers over offers with financing even if the offering amount is slightly less.  All Cash offers have less contingencies and can usually close faster clearing the asset from the lender’s books faster without any hassles or delays as may be occasioned by other banks that are providing the Buyer’s loan.

When properties are  “ Sold in present condition”, Buyers must be extra diligent  in their property inspection to ascertain to the extent possible, the true nature of the property.

Typically lenders will tighten down time lines and may impose a penalty if there is any delay in the close of escrow for any reason. The essence of the lenders market is "take it or leave it" As the saying goes, "He who has the gold makes the rules". But it is also important to know that many REO’s and short sales can be good deals but it does require extra diligence and careful consideration when purchasing them.

To further describe the difference in distressed properties, in a Short Sale the owner of the property remains the Seller and in the REO, the lender is the new owner and the differences between a short sale and REO can be striking.

In the short sale, the lenders key role is to approve taking a loss in the amount owed on the trust deed or the mortgage.  When the mortgage is late usually for 3 consecutive pay periods, the lender can file a notice of default. In a short sale, if the owner files documents with the lender explaining the financial distress that is causing the late payment and wants to sell the property, the lender may opt to consider a purchase offer on the property that is short of what is owned combined with the costs of sale. It is a judgment call of the lender since they have the right to file a default notice and if the owner can not correct the default amount, the lender can foreclose. The lender has specific times frames it must follow in this regard. The Buyer as well has a specific amount of time to cure the defaulted payments with any penalties.

Lenders have been encouraged by the government to for stall the foreclosure process and help slow down the excessive number of foreclosures that have taken place over the last couple years on the defaulting loans.

Lenders involved in distressed properties are clearly in charge to determine if they will accept  even the highest offer on the property. In the case of short sales, they can either accept writing off the short fall of the outstanding trust deed or opt to continue the foreclosure process. Of late, lenders are becoming much more realistic in understanding that short sales are costing them less than they would have to write off as a bad asset in a foreclosure.

REO's close in the shortest possible time period of property sold in San Diego.  In short sales, there is most often a serious lag time (often months) before the lender even agrees to the process. Today with the greater influence of government encouraging banks to accept the short sale process sooner rather than later, we will most likely see the short sales process refined and the time frames for approval to be lessened.

Distressed property sales in San Diego make up close to 50% of the entire real estate market in reported sales.  The good news is that equity sales are increasing and perhaps by spring of 2010, the equity sale will once again be a far greater share of the market.

For now, the " Lender's Market" in San Diego homes for sale is certainly the market at hand. For more about Buying and Selling San Diego Real Estate, visit my website The Voice of San Diego Real Estate.There will find many tools to guide you in the process. if you are seeking to locate any home for sale on the San Diego MLS, you will be able to locate any home or condominium using my IDX ( Internet Data Exchange) by licking on "Search for Property".

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74 Comments on San Diego Real Estate - Sellers Market, Buyers Market or ..............Lenders Market?

JUL
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William - that is a pretty good description of what is going on in the market here in San Diego. Obviously there are some differences from community to community, especially in terms of the number of distress sales, but calling it a buyer's market really is deceptive, especially at the lower end of the price range. It's been interesting to track the communities I service and see how the stats change each month - inventory in San Marcos and Oceanside, for example, has been well below 6 months for some time.

Jeff

6:08pm • #1
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wow...I am going to take some information from you here! No kidding...it's not even a buyer's market here either. I don't really know what to call it as our neighborhoods are so close together that their stats are a whole new life in each.

6:16pm • #2
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I couldn't agree with you any more. With the current lending climate changing almost daily, it is really up to the lenders.

I can't imagine a market with 50% REO's though. We only have 16% where we are. Kind of makes me glad because we still have the opportunity to complete traditional sales once and while which are refreshing!

6:29pm • #3
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Hi Jeff, Thanks for commenting here. There are numerous differences but after speaking with a couple Buyers this week, I felt like I wanted to write about this subject. It has been discussed a lot of late and we are in ( at least in many parts of town, a true Lenders market. When I completed last week my last REO escrow, the bank closed 5 days early just because the Buyers fund had arrived. The listing agent and I were totally shocked. And why ? Because they could. What are we going to do , try to un-record the documents? We obviously has t do some serious catching p in all of ourpaperwork. 16 days from open to close. It was the weirdest thing I can think of late that best describes the true nature of the this lender's market.

7:11pm • #4
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Woo Hoo, You can use any informatio I have written that you want. I made up the term lender's market but it does describe where we are in some of these markets. Some REO lenders write a whole new proposal instead of countering and believe me if you have ever dealt with one, there is no Buyer rights or benefits left in it, ( other than maybe price). 

7:17pm • #5
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Hi Christianne, Thanks for dropping by. It varies here in San Diego but we have parts of the communities are are all most all REO's and short sales. And then other communities are are not hardly affected at all ( mostly coastal).

7:23pm • #6
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Never heard the term lenders market before. It still sounds like a buyers market to me. With a bunch of distressed property flooding the market the rest of the arms length inventory must be effected by this? Excellent job with the article William.

7:29pm • #7
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This is a great description of what is going on in many markets right now.  I like the term "lenders' market".

7:31pm • #8
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Great concept and great points. I wonder if the term "lender's market" will become part of our everyday professional conversation!

7:32pm • #9
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Hi Bill, That's because I made it up, :-) But the term does fit very well for the circumstances I provided, don't you think? I always appreciate it Bill when you drop by.

7:38pm • #11
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Hi Christine, Please feel free to us the term. My clients like the way I talk about things, I guess that is why they keep hiring me. Thank God!

7:40pm • #12
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Hi Melissa, Feel free to start using the term where it might apply in your own market and see if others pick up on it. I think it works pretty well in any number of areas in and around San Diego. Let me know what you discover.

7:43pm • #13
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William - What a wonderfully written piece.  It is very deserving of the golden feature star.  You have crafted and coined a label for the reality of today's market.  It truly is very much a Lender's Market.  Our current market is so opposite previous years, which had buyers more protected with property disclosures, and repairs usually being made and paid for by sellers.  The banks are often running the show currently.

7:53pm • #14
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Hello William,

Wow, you've packed a lot of great info in this one. As for "Distressed property sales in San Diego make up close to 50%" ...I'm a little surprised it's that high in your area. And like Jeff D. said, it varies here too from city to city.

8:04pm • #15
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Hi Myrl, Many Thanks for the wonderful compliment. It sure feels like it here inSan Diego, :-)Besides that, these lenders don't help us much, they are tough and I guess they get the job done but leave quite a few in the dust. Considering how difficult they make trying to get good offers recognised, they at least make the pain short lived but speeding up the close, LOL.

8:38pm • #16
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Hi Lynda, that is the overall figure coming from the MLS. There are whole areas heavily made up of REO and when mixed with less equity sales, the percentage is striking. How are you. Are you coming to the Del Mar Racetrack in August? It would be wonderful ifyou , Marlene and Kay could make it. We did have such a wonderful time. See Brian Brady's post for details.

8:42pm • #17
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William I see your very valid point about the lender's market cause in the end here lately they have a lot of power and are pulling all the strings.

9:19pm • #18
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Hi Gary, Well let's start using the term and make it a trend setter, :-) Might as well, it gives us some other things to talk to consumers about.What do think?

9:35pm • #19
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Hi William--very interesting--like Bill, I've never heard this terminology used but, do see every one of your points--I love your quote, "He who has the gold makes the rules."  Boy, isn't THAT the truth--especially these days!

Congrats on that litte gold star--well deserved!

Debe in Charlotte

10:05pm • #20
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Hi Debe, That is because I made  up the term. But you are free to use it since it makes so much sense.

10:23pm • #21
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Hi William - Wow, 50%, that sure makes for a dynamic market out there.

10:55pm • #22
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Hi Chris, It does indeed. This too shall pass and I can only hope soon :-)  Thanks for dropping over.

11:13pm • #23
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William, you've coined a term for what definitely describes our market here as well! In fact, I wrote a post last week titled "Buyer's Market...Full of Landmines" that spoke about many of the points here because is it really what we think of as a buyer's market? No! Almost 50% of what is selling here are distressed sales, even though our market is not 50% distressed inventory.

Sharon

12:17am • #24
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Hi Frank and Sharon, That is also true here. Generally we think in a Buyer's market of the Buyer having the advantage in terms of price, terms and conditions. Distressed sales certainly does not give the Buyer the advantage in terms and conditions. So I made a up the term Lenders's market to reflect those particular aspects of the purchase. While price may advantage Buyer, the terms and conditions of that purchase are not. Semantics , I suppose but when haven't had conditions like ( at least to this extent) this anytime in recent memory.

4:06am • #25
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William, it is a lenders market here and a buyers market for short sales and normal homes. For foreclosures it is a sellers market with multiple offers. Just depends on the house.

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YES! I am experiencing a lender's market here. I am currently working with willing buyers who have good credit and jobs who have found a home they love. The sellers have agreed to contract terms and are willing sellers. We are on our second lender and still no closing date in site. This deal is not upside down or a forclosure.

8:40am • #27
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William, This is an excellent, informative post for both buyers and sellers.  We too are in a "lenders market" but not because we have a lot of REOs but because many sellers are priced above market value and can't afford to sell for less because it will require them to pay money to close the sale that they simply don't have.  This is such a difficult but common problem here.  And, many of these sellers don't qualify for a short sale so they are left with very few options.  Tough times!

8:51am • #28
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Hi William, Another stellar and brilliant post, but I knew not to expect anything less from you! ;-) I'm avoiding the local horror stories (referring agent) and working on my horse website and a few others. Following my passion sure feels better.

8:54am • #29

Good morning,

This is great!  Very well put, it covers all aspects and it even reaches our market here in La Crescenta, California. If you don't mind I would love to use some of your descriptions.

Your fellow realtor,

Lynnell

Lynnell Woodward
9:02am • #30

Our market has become an "appraiser's market." Buyers and sellers agree upon a price and then the lender sends in an appraiser from very far away with no local knowledge to do an appraisal and it comes in $10,000 under the agreed upon price on a $300,000 house. Then the lender decides he doesn't like the appraisal and requests another one. This one done by someone working on his kitchen table in another county (or another state) using questionable data comes in $35,000 under the sales price. Seller has now used up all the appraisal chits and can't request another one. I'm seeing this happen, and we are not really in a terribly distressed market.

9:03am • #31

Very helpful take on the present market.  I just visited San Diego for the first time, and I am still trying to get the stars out of my eyes.  What a fantastic place to live.  Got to admit I am doing some California Dreamin'.  I appreciate the added information.

9:11am • #32

Great points William!  I think we'll start using that terminology of lender's market. 

We lost around 8 million in listings this week to foreclosure and wouldn't you know that the next day we got 3 calls on some of those properties.  Yes the lender will work with us, but they don't know these properties and what we need to do to make the sale happen on the commercial ones.  And can we get a price out of them?  Noooooo  So you're absolutely right.

Congrats on your spotlight and good job.

The Regan Team

"Come to the Beautiful North Georgia Mountains - an undiscovered secret"

9:12am • #33
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Good blog. Lenders DO add into the mix these days.  I have wondered if smaller banks might be the way to go for mortgages right now, rather than the huge ones who took TARP money and have all the government guidelines.  I don't know. Just wondering.

Sarah in Nashville

9:50am • #34

The term "lenders market" implies that the competitive, negotiating or pricing advantage goes to lenders when, in fact, we know that's not true. Lenders are taking it in the shorts every day of the week.  I'm with Bill Gassett--sure sounds like a buyers market to me.

Consumer
9:53am • #35
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Great article and the newly coined terminology of "lenders' market" - ours is back to a buyer's market but this fall we are expecting a release of new REO property. Our short sales are taking way too long and buyers are moving on.

9:53am • #36

Thanks Mr. Johnson; great insight, very detailed and broken down for simplicity.

Linda Landry
10:01am • #37
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Hi Missy, How wonderful to see you. It does most certainly depend on the circumstances. I made up the term Lenders market to differentiate between our more traditional understanding of Seller's and Buyer's markets. While many still think it is a Buyers market, in the traditional Buyer's market, their rights and advantages are usually increased in favor of the Buyer. In a Lenders market ( more the hybrid) though they ( Buyers) may in fact benefit from a lower price , there are other aspects that certainly curtail their more traditional rights and advantages. Short sales and REO's have greatly changed the market valuation of surrounding property values of other owners. And just because a Buyer pays x for a property in a short sale, certainly if the short sales continue, there is a very good likelyhood that the lower price they paid can also go lower as other surrounding properties are affected. We have seen the loss of billions and billions in paper value of residential property. No one can promise that it, 1-  will stop and 2- that the values will return in any particular time frame. If the lenders can not provide credit to purchase or restrict credit, how can values increase if the property can't be sold and re-purchased. It is a cycle with some rather astounding ramifications.

10:32am • #38
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What happened to my comment?  Did I get dumped?  Or did I read and forget to comment.

I have news for you.  It's not only a Lender's Market.

It's a lender's country.

They are controling folks who want to buy, sell or simply keep what they have.

In markets flooded with foreclosures and/or short sales, the individual home seller is out priced, out smarted and out of price. 

The housing industry is in the pitts and the lenders are in control with a subsidy from all of us.

10:33am • #39
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It's always a buyers market--even though buyers forget that sometimes :-)

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The description of the San Diego market is well done, but the invention of the term "lenders market," although clever, is misleading.  A buyer's market favors the buyer; a seller's market favors the seller.  Both those conditions would seem to favor lenders and, therefore, be lenders markets.  This current market, in general, favors no one.  We can moan all we want about a "lender's country" and that sort of thing, but lenders do not make money when they do not lend. There are systemic issues at work here to which simple labels do not do justice.  

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Well it is certainly and "Interesting Market."  The market swings can be very sudden.  There are few institutions making decisions with massive ramifications.  So Lenders Market is a good term.

10:51am • #42

EXCELLENT ARTICLE.  I especially like the new term "Lenders Market". You could not have said it better.  I never thought of it that way, but the market is exactly that.  I just had a closing on a foreclosure property and never in the history of real estate have I experienced the ups and downs in what suppose to be a simple transaction.  The banks requirements are out of control as far as I'm concern.  They are beginning to place most of the liability and responsibilities on the buyer.  The seller has already lost, so now the new holder of the property is the bank.  My buyer had to practically jump through loops to get closed on the property.  The appraisals didn't meet the banks criterias, the property had to have some adjustments, which had to be made at the buyers risk.  Wow how times have changed.  In spite of it all, it's still a market out there for real estate, we just have to adapt and exercise a lot of patience.  Things will eventually change, up until that time, we just need to go with the flow and make some adjustments in how we do business.  Thanks for such an insightful article. 

Thomasina
11:10am • #43

It is a very frustrating market, no doubt.  It seems to me that no matter which particular city I have buyers in, the lower end of the price spectrum is clogged with buyers.  All cash buyers are abundant, usually investors, who are able to take advantage of the REO's because as you say, banks tend to favor all cash buyers even if they are sightly lower priced.    It is very frustrating for first time home buyers to learn that they thought it was a "Buyer's Market" only to find out there are 10, 20, 30 even 50 offers on a property and the one that is chosen is an all cash buyer because lenders know that they have made it very difficult to get a loan these days, so there is a greater risk of nonperformance with a buyer who needs financing.  In this way I believe is is always a lenders market becasue lenders dictate ease and availability of financing so - easy lending leads to unsustainable price appreciation which leads to REOs which leads to tightened lending causing price deflation which causes more REOs and Short Sales which brings out bargain hunters causing higher demand which then comes back to price appreciation and eventually a relaxing of lending standards. Whichever way you look at it, the lender is always in control of the market...

11:29am • #44

From a very experienced loan officer you have hit the nail right on the head Bill.  I work with 30-40 lenders these days and they hold all the purse strings.  Most of them are cherry picking only the very best loans and turn away loan that are not squeaky clean.  I have heard of 800 score borrowers being run through a ringer to get a loan. Then you have Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac underwriting guidelines that mean very little anymore because every lender has underwriting /Investor overlays that supercede Fannie and Freddie.  I spend almost 30 minutes daily just to keep ahead of the never ending changing lending environment.  All I can say is I'm closing loans, but working double the hours to insure I have every base covered.  It is a tough on the buyers, sellers, agents, and loan officers and I wish I new when it will get better.  They say it will but I think it will be a very long time.

 

Phil Olson
Sr. Mortgage Planner
Cottage Grove, MN

11:54am • #45
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Like your definition of "Lenders Market" ~ typically where there is a large number of or a majority of the market is made up of distressed property sales.

Distressed properties can be where the owner is in default of keeping the mortgage current, or where there already has been foreclosure and it's at REO, or where value of the property is less than mortgage or trust deed amount, or where owners are unable or choose not to keep the mortgage current, or where owners strategically default and list their property to get out from under the loan obligation.

Thanks for this good post.

12:14pm • #46

Great post & descriptive use of words for today's market!  After experiencing several real estate market cycle recessions going back to the early 80's to present,  I can say from experience that this 'BUYERS MARKET" is unlike any other that I've seen.  The Sellers/Lenders are winning!  The only smart savvy buyers in the market right now are Buy & Hold Cash Flow Investors.  If you think that now is a Great time to buy a home-just wait a few more months when the third wave (already started), of properties hit the market.  FACT!  If you would have purchased a home here in Ca. Jan 09-Your new home would now be worth $20K less.  A good idea would be for all Realtors to go on strike/take a few months off.  Let's see how fast all the Banks/Lenders change their tune. 

2:32pm • #47

Hi William what a great blog and topic.. I can take away so much from here I am also in agreement with Phill, I also am a loan officer, and we have to be always double checking and making sure that hte lender guidelines and or pricing have not changed for any transaction I have in process. Being ahead of the game and covering all your bases, you can't afford to be sleeping on the wheel with the lenders these days.. You have to be on top of every news of the day from each lender you are partners with. It has only increase my hours of work just to stay on top.

Again great blogging and is it okay to take some of this information and share it? It's well worth spreading around. I have already adapted the new termonolgy for this market... it is definately a Lenders Market..Thank you for the article

3:32pm • #48
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No.....I haven't disappeared....

Great article! True for the East Coast too. My frustration level has reached its max!

I will probably be linking to this in a new news letter I'm starting up (cheaper than mailers)You have covered all the bases...succinctly!

Then I will probably get active on here again soI can link to my own stuff!! Huggs!!

 

3:39pm • #49

Wow, what a great post. It really explains the current market in my area too.

Debbie Nicoll
7:10pm • #50

Sounds like what we are experiencing here in Ohio, at a different price range though ...

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Wiliam,

A terrific blog post. Congrats on the gold star. I bet your term Lender's market will start its own life with this blog, and we will be seeing it now quite often. Did you trademark it?

Is it that Lenders' market is when the Buyers market goes into overdrive?

10:33pm • #52
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Great descriptions on the 3 sectors of the market.

9:10am • #53

Lender's market I really do like that term.  Excellent.

12:53pm • #54

William,

 

I like where you're going with this and couldn't agree with you more. Good article, good read.

Lender's market? It sure is especially when consider many of the local top listing agents are selling 15-30 REO's a month in my market here in JVille.

 

Tom
1:52pm • #55

I appreciated your article. Although we have begun to see the short sales and foreclosures deminish (a little tiny bit)- it definitely is a lender's market when you do have to deal with them and most buyers haven't got a clue.  They think that the only difference is the great deal they will get.  I have had many clients walk away from short sales because the decision making has taken too long.  I will reference your article in my blog.

Judy

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Hello Kathryn,

Thank you for commenting and I really appreciate where you are coming from and the unnecessary difficulty you are having with the getting to close. I know that our nation association is working overtime to address these issues but I am afraid those efforts are going to need us and the mortgage brokers to once again stand up and make some noise. The unintended consequences of all the changes made in a vaccum create these problems and agents, brokers and mortgage brokers should be doing a daily barrage until someone in the decision making areas of our government hear the message.

2:27pm • #57
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Hello Everyone, I just wanted to let Judy Gratton know,  before I respond to her comment and the others that I have turned on my Re-Blog so that this post may be reblogged if you so chose. Many thanks for all your terrific comments and I shall get to each one and respond. While most opinions seem to like the idea of referring to parts of our markets as a Lender's Market , there are others that are clearly opposed to referring to the current as a "Lenders Market" saying it is clearly a Buyers Market. The talking points on this are all good. One even suggested that the Lenders are taking it in the shorts. While that may be technically so, it is with our money they are taking it in the shorts. They don't print money, they use ours and when that wasn't or isn't enough, they got stimulus ( taxpayer ) money. So the crocodile tears don't impress me and I doubt it will most of you. And as for the lending guidelines they tout as not their fault ( "nothing we can do about it" ) , if they didn't or don't like them, with all the power they have over Congress, the banks could try with a little more sincerity to get them fixed so they are not so onerous. But their silence on this issue is deafening.

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3:17pm • #59
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Hi Lenn,

Thanks for your comment. I for sure believe you didn't comment. We all highly value your opinion and love it when you comment because you say it like it is. And over the years ( hard to believe it has been years) I and so many others have come to seek your council and treasure you as our friend. ( How about coming to NAR in November so many members from the West Coast can give you a hug).

As to your comment, RIGHT ON, it has not been nor could be said better.

 

Most Sincerely,

William

3:23pm • #60
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William...

Every time I think of something brilliant to say Lenn beats me to it :)

Right now, at least in our market, REO Agents and Lenders are calling all the shots. We're just trying to dodge their bullets :)

TLW...ROAR!

4:52pm • #61
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William, We have been blessed to not have a ton of foreclosures in our area which is a good thing as I have NOT found them to be a good deal.  They are usually in rotten shape and the bank is trying to get top dollar for that rotten shape.  Somehow people think foreclosure; it must be a good deal but usually IT IS NOT. 

I always tell my clients if someone has run in to bad luck and are going in to foreclosure this didn't happen overnight and they have probably not maintained their home for a very long time.

9:36pm • #62
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Hello William-Excellent post. So very true. CONGRATS on the feature. I hope you have been doing well. :-)

12:42am • #63
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William--Lenders certainly seem to be in control of most of the market these days...You make some tremendous points. Well worth the gold star! I have missed communicating with so many lately. Very busy both professionally and personally. Barely time to post and almost no time to comment. I to miss visiting with my pals like you...Hopefully you are as busy with business as I find myself! Take care my friend! :)

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William: awesome blog and great distinction, I need to re-read a few times... 'a lenders market indeed'... seems to be a war on us middle class that I can't quite figure. I have friends in this market that now have also have the terms of their credit cards changed (by the same lenders that got us into this mess) which have tripled their monthly card payments. How are any of them going to qualify for anything if their monthly debt ratio shows on a credit score from underwriting that their credit card monthly debt is now $2000 to $2500 a month when it was around $500... Hmmm... Just glad I'm a frugal Renton boy and got rid of all credit cards and their debt a few years ago...

9:37pm • #65
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René used the word that hit me while I was reading AWESOME post.  I will be rereading.  We don't have the foreclosures but the lenders are definitely controlling the market.

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William - Better late than never!  This is a brilliant post and this is what makes you the Voice of San Diego Real Estate!  It is clear, easy to understand and an accurate explanation of what we are experiencing in so many markets across the US.  Fortunately, southern New Hampshire doesn't have this number of foreclosures, but the basic theories remain the same.  It will be most interesting to see how all of this plays out in the end. 

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I didn't use your exact term, but called it a 'bank's market' in a recent blog response.  We saw a very short buyer's market as the inventory climbed late in '07.  The problem was, everyone was frozen in fear about what home values would do, even if they could get a loan. 

Now that inventory has plummeted, and we have multiple offers, traditional thinking would assume that the seller's are in control.  But, since so many of the sellers are the banks, your term is appropriate for who's calling the shots.  And while the percentage of distressed sales in our market has decreased as a percentage of available home. those regular sellers must compete with the bank controlled properties, or risk not selling.  So, indeed a lender's market.

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Hello my friend-Just wanted to stop in an say a double CONGRATS. The first one on the feature and the second one on becoming an Active Rain Ambassador. YOU will be terrific and I know you already have the best quality needed. A caring heart. <WARM SMILE>

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7:19pm • #69
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It's certainly a Lender's Market here.  The Buyer's market is strong, but once a good REO gets listed, there's multiple offers upping the price quite a bit.  I tell my Buyers we have to jump on a property and not wait around if it's priced competitively. 

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Congratulations on being featured . This is a great post and every buyer who thinks it is a buyer's market should get a copy of this.

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this is a great piece.  I read it three times to let it all sink in.

7:58am • #74
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Hey Bill,

 

Great information. I hope to see more from you in the future. homeloansandiego

 

Cheers!

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