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DOJ+AVM+MLS= Alphabet Soup Confusion

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Last Fall the Department of Justice implemented a settlement with the National Association of Realtors giving Sellers the right to opt out of their having an Automated Valuation Model (AVM) or user generated comments displayed on their home's listing on Virtual Office Websites (VOWs).  There was a lot of speculation about this settlement when it was announced, and people especially wondered what this would mean for Zillow, a site known for its Zestimate (AVM).

Now that some time has passed, the answer is, not much.  Why?  Because Zillow isn't a VOW.  In case you aren't familiar with a VOW, it is a real estate agent or broker website where someone must give contact information, get a password, and then can do searches of all available MLS listings.  [

Every listing on Zillow is there because the agent, broker, mls or home owner has intentionally given us the information to display on Zillow.  Sometimes the listing information comes directly to us, through a broker feed for example.  And sometimes it comes to us via a third party syndicator like Postlets, Point2, or The Real Estate Book.  The biggest third party provider of listing information for us is ListHub, as they handle syndication for many MLSs across the country.  We always show the source of the listing information near the bottom of the page.

Under the DOJ settlement, the seller has to affirmatively request not to have AVMs or user comments on VOW sites showing the listing.  Recently some MLSs in ListHub's system have been applying the DOJ ruling beyond just VOW sites, to real estate marketing sites as well.  This means when an agent selects "no" to having a client's home appear on a VOW site that has AVMs, the agent is also saying no to marketing exposure on non-VOW sites.  I listed the MLSs that are now doing this below. 

As I talk to real estate professionals about this decision, a common misconception I hear is that they think when this option is exercised, the website (such as Zillow) will simply remove the valuation or user comments functionality from the site, but the listing itself will still be there.  This is not the case.  When you say ‘no' to this option, your listing is simply not showing up on these sites at all.  So by forgoing this, you are opting not to get exposure on one of the most visited trafficked consumer websites, Zillow, plus a handful of others such as Yahoo! Real Estate and Trulia. 

Obviously we want the listings on Zillow, but outside of this, I worry the decision to do this could come back to haunt the agent, if not properly explained upfront.  I worry that the agent asks "do you want an AVM on your listing?" and let's say the Seller says "No".  The agent, as usual, then goes on to describe all the ways they are going to market their home online.  The Seller then goes to check all the sites the agent promised and doesn't find their listing on Zillow.  Instead the seller just sees the public record facts and the Zestimate for their home, but no listing information, no extra photos, no sales price, and no agent contact information. You know what the next call will be. 

When I talk to MLSs about this, they say they are just enforcing the DOJ settlement.  But the settlement applies to VOWs, not sites where the agent, broker and seller have sent their listing information.  I feel it is wrong for these MLSs to extend the settlement on to non VOW sites.  This practice misinterprets NAR's VOW policy, and reduces the amount of marketing exposure a seller is receiving online. 

I hope this helps clear up the settlement and how Zillow is involved with it.  If your MLS is one of the ones listed before, it is important for you to know what you are opting in and out of.  Below are some resources if you would like to familiarize yourself more with the rulings.  Or please feel free to contact me directly if you would like to discuss further. 

  • Arkansas Regional MLS
  • Brunswick County MLS
  • Coastal Carolina Association of Realtors®
  • Central Virginia Regional MLS
  • Metropolitan Regional Information Systems
  • Northern Nevada Regional MLS
  • North Texas Real Estate Information Services
  • Outer Banks Association of Realtors®
  • Realtor Association of Northwest Illinois
  • Sandicor
  • SOCAL MLS
  • Triangle MLS

Resources:

VOW policy 

Final Judgment, Exhibit A, Section II.5.c 

" The seller also has a right to request that a VOW's comments, blogs or automated market value estimate about its listing be disabled or discontinued (although the VOW can state that those features have been disabled) "at the request of the seller."   http://www.car.org/legal/mls/summary-status-doj-nar-vow/

Definitions of VOW and IDX websites

 

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Harley Wilcox
West Group Real Estate - Victor, ID
Harley Wilcox

great post. found it in a google search. thanks, these abbreviated terms are confusing to new agents, even ones that know and understand real estate transactions

Dec 17, 2009 01:20 AM
Sara Bonert
Zillow - Atlanta, GA
Real Estate Internet Marketing

Thanks for reading it Harley - there is a huge education issue going on here as so many people are interpreting things in very different ways. 

Please note that if you "opt out" of having an AVM on your listings, and you part of any of these MLSs - Zillow does not just strip the Zestimate and post the listing information anyway.  We simply don't post the listing at all - the listing won't go on the site and the just the Zestimate then appears. 

I am starting to hear from Sellers upset because they didn't understand that when they opted out of that, it meant they lost advertising exposure as well. 

Dec 17, 2009 01:28 AM
Anonymous
Wary of Realtors

Just curious...if all the marketing is being done by the various websites being populated by the input via the MLS - just what exactly is the Realtor doing to market the property for such an exorbant fee? My point being...the marketing by admission of the NAR that in excess of 70-something-percent of buyers start their search on the internet - why do we have Realtors? Complicated process? Just what exactly to they do for closing? Title company and attorney work that. Appraisers and inspectors valuate and check the property, respectively. So...just what did we pay the Realtor for? Something is wrong with this outdated business model of placing a middleman in the process. Advise? Please...we sold our house with a Realtor who insisted on listing the house for $330K - this from a 25-year experienced Realtor. My wife had done her due-dilegence and discerned a respectable market price was around $355K - but let's ask for $360K. The Realtor balked. So we compromised (wait - she is supposed to work for us - fiduciary responsibility) at $355K asking. Not 3 days later we get an offer for $345K - we settle on $350K - $20K above the professional advice provided by the Realtor. It is what it is - a scam. No wonder Realtors are not highly regarded. They are like used-car-salesmand instead they are "licensed" used-house-salesman. Training? All aimed at generating sales and new leads - scripiting to call For-Sale-By-Owner or expired listings + the "sphere-of-influence" to get people to know you are now in real estate. I can drive by with my iPhone and see all the listings in a neigborhood with all the relevant needed information. Just what is in the MLS that is not availalbe elsewhere? Oh that great tax information - available for free with your tax appraiser and sales history of the same property. Realtors had control of information and mismanaged it giving themselves a bad name. Now the internet is leveling the playing field. The industry is stuck in a bad business model and needs to change. Would you buy an airline ticket the same way when going to the NAR convention? Heck no - you go to Travelocity or Expedia. How about buying stock or mutual funds like say 20 years ago...I can trade with Scottrade for $7 what used to be $50 to $100 for a trade. Even Realtors shop with Amazon! So...why are we shopping for real estate the same way? The NAR. The Department of Justice saw the anti-trust facets and took action. Hopefully in-time Realtors will actually provide a real service. Glorified taxi drivers is what they are going from one house to the next. Marketing...please - who do they market to? There is never a substantial answer. Always vague and anecdotal answers. If only the laws would change for agents thereby revamping the industry - then real change would take place but as long as the laws are mired in the past - change will take a long time in this industry.

Jan 17, 2010 11:48 AM
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Angie Vandenbergh
Crye-Leike, Realtors - Memphis, TN
A Crye-Leike Blogger

Alphabet Soup Confusion is right. I know this post is from a while back, but we are dealing with ramifications from it right now. Turns out MLSs that we participate in are starting to implement these types of policies and in turn are requiring agents to ask sellers the questions.

But you hit it right on target - the agents aren't understanding how to explain and the sellers aren't understanding the implications. Agents are then turning to their brokerage for support and clarification and expecting implementation of similar policies to match in listing agreements. It's getting very confusing all around. Even though NAR's materials reference VOWs, most agents (including the agents on the mls boards) aren't familiar with the distinction between a vow and an idx site. Policies are being created that reference internet display in a general way. I've also heard of someone from NAR saying that it was going to apply to both vow and idx sites.

We currently have a call into our contacts at NAR to clarify some of the issues that are popping up in our markets.

Feb 18, 2010 06:03 AM
Sara Bonert
Zillow - Atlanta, GA
Real Estate Internet Marketing

Angie - Thanks for the comment.  The interpretation varies so greatly from MLS to MLS.  I think it is a major disservice the Sellers to interpret the settlement as applying to "all internet'.  I don't blame the Agents and Sellers for being confused.  If there is anything I can do to help with your dealing with this, please feel free to email me directly through my profile. 

Feb 18, 2010 06:12 AM
Anonymous
Zane Burnett

This may be one of the only activerain post I've ever fully read. I didn't know what AVM stood for, and where do I end up?

Many many thanks :)

Mar 22, 2011 10:00 AM
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