Tappan Zee BridgeOK - this is a funny way to begin a blog - but I'm exhausted!   Just plain out and out drained.  Normally this state of tiredness would have me beating a path to a doctor.  But I don't need a doctor, I just need a lender who can close a loan in a timely manner.  You see,  in addition to everything else that I do to complete transactions,  I am being  confronted with host of  escrow issues that I've never seen before.  I find myself on the phone constantly trying to prod the banks to close loans that I've had commitments and appraisals on since the beginning of the last century.   And if this is stressing me out - some of my clients must be ready to jump off the Tappan Zee Bridge.

The problems with lenders has been fodder for several recent blogs. Although I have a host of war stories that would be funny if they weren't such a threat to each transaction,  I won't bore the public with  the gruesome details - YET.   But what truly amazes me is the arrogance of the banks.  After one disastrous situation where a closing was postponed FIVE TIMES and over one month, I ended up speaking with some of the powers that be at our friendly neighborhood national bank.   (Yes, I know that is an oxymoron and the sarcasm is deliberate!)  Their attitude was atrocious.  I was informed that  "this is the new normal.  You now need to count on 90-120 day escrows. If buyers and sellers are prepared for it -it shouldn't be a problem."

Right - not a problem.  Sure!  Tell that to families that have their  furniture in storage, their pets in kennels and themselves  bottled up in hotels  for two to three weeks.  Tell that to the person who must lease a temporary rental for a couple of months to bridge the gap.  Tell that to the seller who is dumping  their savings into the mortgage and maintenance on an empty home. I won't even go into the convenience issues and the fact that lives are on "hold" for what seems like an eternity.  What about the expense?  In a time where credit is almost non-existant and most people have no money to spare, this is a BIG problem.  The expense is not "going away" just because we are told to expect it.  While I am at it - I  should mention that prolonged delays  have the potential  cost buyers their deposit.  When all parties are acting in good faith - this is a non-issue - but one can not count on that type of good will in each and every case.

What the larger banks are really saying is "You don't have a choice - just deal with it."   Perhaps they don't care because they don't think they have to.  If I hear one more major player in these banks tell me about how "well capitalized" they are - I think I'll throw up.

Hey banks!  I don't CARE how well capitalized you are.  I really don't.  If transactions are falling apart or are delayed endlessly it has a snowball effect - and  that giant snowball could smother me and my clients.   Your capitalization means nothing if you aren't LENDING in a reasonable and timely way.  From a purely selfish standpoint  - if I don't get closings, I don't get commissions.  No commissions, no money, no money, no money, no food on the table and no mortgage payment.  For my clients the scenario is similar.  Seller's who have moved on are paying for two residences.  The deal gets delayed - that's bad enough.  The deal falls apart, they are back on the market with months of payments and another looooooong escrow period looming.  How long can they float on their savings before they too start to default on payments?

The large banks had better start caring.  They may think they are "too big to accountable" but there are consequences.   There is one large bank with which I have four escrows all of which have had serious closing issues.  At this point - I will no longer accept a pre-approval letter from this bank.  If a buyer comes to one of my listings with a pre-approval from said bank - they will be required to find another lender.   By doing this I am fulfilling my fiduciary obligation to the seller - protecting the against an endless and dicey escrow.  This bank is 100% off my list for buyers. If a buyer wants to use a loan officer from this bank - they MUST get a back-up pre-approval or I'm referring them to a more masochistic colleague.

Now - what good is that going to do?  If you think that any large bank is afraid of little me - you are smoking something you shouldn't.   However, more and more agents in my brokerage are doing the same thing - shunning the large and stodgy and embracing the small and nimble.  The latter is more motivated to get the job done and customer service is not an afterthought with them.  Our agents are sharing information about loan officers and mortgage brokers that we have used with success.  You know, the "small fry" the big banks thought they were going to squash with their pinky finger. Ironically these were the banks that were NOT too big to fail and took no TARP money.

Instead of cleaning up - the large banks may  find themselves being cleared out.   Agents and brokers  are slowly building relationships that navigate around these large cumbersome Goliath's of banking.

No! It’s NOT OK! 90-120 day escrows and endless closing delays are NOT acceptable.

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70 Comments on No! It's NOT OK! 90-120 day escrows and endless closing delays are NOT acceptable.

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Ruthmarie.

Your outrage is palpable, and rightly so. 

Fact is, when anyone enters into a transaction today we can give neither the buyers nor the sellers any assurance that it will ever close.

Sad but true.

The banking industry is killing the real estate industry, what's left of it.  They'va almost killed the housing industry.

5:45pm • #1
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It is a nightmare to deal with some of these lenders... We finally closed on a straightforward conventional loan that should have taken all of 30-45 days but sadly took almost three months.  We won't even get into short-sales.  If this is the new norm, the world is in a lot of trouble. 

5:54pm • #2

This has happened to a lot of us in dealing with closings-you are right we are learning which banks we can count on to get the job done.

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I am dealing with this on so many transactions these days. Don't get me started. You're right, it's not okay and it is one of the primary reasons I choose to work with small local lenders. I don't find them making commitments on loans they can't or will not close for whatever reason.

6:07pm • #4
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Well said Ruthmarie.  I wish we had some answers instead of so many frustrations and questions.  One of the hard parts of being a REALTOR is that we really care about our clients and it is truly heartbreaking to see them treated this way needlessly. 

6:09pm • #5

Ruthmarie you are dead on right.  The banks created this mess and now they don't want to suck it up and taken on the responsibility of cleaning it up.  I don't know who they choose as their employees but most of those I deal with at banks are apathetic at best and seem to have barely any education at all.  We can only hope that things will change soon.  Hang in there.  Great post and best of luck to you.

6:12pm • #6
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Bravo, you're right on. We're dealing with SLOOOOOW lenders at the moment too and are ready to scream.

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Amen sister!  Well spoken. Well said.  ABSOLUTELY the same here. I have heard the stupidist reasons from lenders the last 6 months than I"ve heard in over 20 + years.   I do have a few good, on time lenders ....gee who do you suppose we'll use.  I have been saying for awhile there will be some big lawsuit against one of these big bad boys and they'll have to change.  But...by that time most of this mess will be over.

Now.....relax and enjoy your evening Ruthmarie. 

6:30pm • #8
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I haven't run in to too many problems, but I am noticing appraisals are taking FOREVER!

6:31pm • #9
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Ruthmarie: the big banks that were too big to fail are now arrogant and provide the worst customer service ever. They should have been allowed to fail so they could be a little humble.

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Ruth Marie, rant on and I rant along with you. I haven't closed nor has anyone on my team closesd on time since February.

Right now I was suppose to close yesterday, then Friday, now maybe Monday.

The thing is it nothing wrong with the file, it is all in, appraisal done.

Just so frustrating.

6:44pm • #11

Ruthmarie:

As appraisals are usually only considered valid for 3 months by most lenders, the delays are causing additional delays - I've had a rash of requests for appraisal updates and second appraisals in the last two weeks.  As you can imagine, borrowers have not been very happy in these instances.  In one case, a borrower had to postpone her renovation until the second appraisal has been completed.

I recently heard someone say that too big too fail is too big (I wish I could remember where I heard that so I could give credit where credit is due) - large banks should go the way of Standard Oil or AT&T.

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Ruthmarie:  As a lender ... and yes, a smaller lender ... I can tell you alot of us in our field are upset as well.  I can totally understand and see why you are upset and angry.  I know it probably doesn't help in any way, but there are alot of us loan officers that are upset and angry right along with you.  It's hard to stand-up for some of the nonsense being slung at all of us.  I too want to do my best to facilitate a successful and speedy end to the transaction, but it seems sometimes like that just becomes impossible for the most irrational, dumbest, and most infuriating reasons. 

I know you are probably tired of hearing it.  I know you don't want to hear it again.  I hate to have to say it ... but most closings just don't occur in the same time frame that they used to ... and I'm not happy about it either.  To their defense, underwriters are under the gun personally now and are being overly-cautious and over-compensating for prior disastrous lending/underwriting methods.  They're scared to make mistakes and afraid of not catching something.  The pendulum has truly swung entirely in the other direction and common-sense is taking a backseat at times.  To address this, dates within new contracts must reflect this current issue and all involved in a transaction must be made aware of the potentially longer processing/closing times.  Otherwise there is stress, anger, and potential for sellers and buyers walking from the deal.  I advise and ask my referral/realtor partners to call for current closing "guestimates" prior to placing dates on their contracts.  It seems to help.  Communication amongst all professionals involved in the transaction is key.

Thing is, Ruthmarie ... I don't know what to do at times to fix or change the present challenges we are facing.  I recently addressed this in another blog post comment and asked that all of us in the real estate industry start making some real noise to our representatives and congress.  We all need to rattle the cages to get something done ... and soon.  Until then, please know that not everyone in the lending community is callous or deaf to your concerns and struggles and that we do understand your frustrations.

Best of luck to you and your clients in the future ...

6:57pm • #13
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We feel your pain -- unfortunately this happens way too often -- all the best.

7:22pm • #14

I believe there is no more accountabilty in real estate or mortgage. Everyone is pointing their finger at each other. Stop the madness please

7:22pm • #15
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90 - 120 days?

Sounds like the borrowers were working with direct lenders.

30 days is usually enough.... But I am respectfully asking realtors for 45 days to be prudent.

And if you aren't asking your lenders for turn times before you set a closing time on the contract.... Then shame on you!!!

 

7:59pm • #16
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The re-fis will end one day and the lenders will more interested inour business again... right now everything is just upside down...

8:17pm • #17
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Like you, I have not closed too many transactions this year that only had a 30 escrow period. It is definitely very challenging to get the job done. I don't care for it too much, but I have not found too many other options.

8:30pm • #18
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In the Detroit area they don't like to go over 45 days.  If it does I think it won't close anyway. 

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Excellent blog about the frustrations that we realtors are facing.  I'm hoping it will change.

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Wow, I am almost afraid to comment on this possibly breaking my aparent "good luck" on 30 days closing.  I have had 18 closings since January and not a single has been delayed- in fact 3 have actually been moved up.  I have two coming up next week so hope that me posting this comment does not cause delay....I better go find some wood to knock on!

8:36pm • #21
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Ruthmarie - You have figured out the key here and that is to avoid the big, national banks that got billions of TARP dollars.  Earlier this year, I started having issues with those same banks and like you, I stopped using them.  I now only use my smaller, local lenders (who didn't get billions of TARP dollars) and most of the time, I don't have any major issues.

I will agree with Gene though that underwriters these days are becoming harder and harder to deal with.  I'm finding two kinds of underwriters these days; the ego-maniacal ones on power trips or the ones so wracked with fear of making any kind of decision.  One of the latter actually said to me once that she wouldn't get fired for saying no.  SERIOUSLY?

 

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I'm not hitting the snags (knocking wood too) but I work with a couple of preferred lenders who are very very good and all the underwriters and processors and other players are the same . . . we're getting closed in 30 or less FHA/VA/USDA but we ask for 45 or sooner just to be safe . . . my fave loan goddess gets 'er done in 2-3 weeks a lot of times.

The only time we don't close on time it is an REO with a ding-dong escrow company out of area . . . and even then it's usually only a day or two delay for some shadow hoohah to sign off on the HUD . . . :)

9:16pm • #23
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Avoid the big banks and stay local. I do everything I can to send people in the right direction.  I do have the problem when some people do not listen. People here do tend to stay local and avoid the large banks.

The large banks have never cared that much. I doubt they could find us on a map.

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Ruthmarie, I have one listing that had a close date in April and is finally closing tomorrow!  The situation is out of control with lenders.  Thank you for your post.

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The other day when I wrote an offer on a short sale...On the line that says closing date had this "TBD", THAT'S RIGHT TBD (to be determined).  We now have short sale addendums giving them a 45 day response time or we can pull the offer.  Rediculous.

 

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Hi Lenn,

It's just not acceptable. I was trying to explain to one of my buyers who was bidding on a house and using a comp that closed in cash as an example of why the deal being offered them wasn't great.  The cash deal was for $5000 less than ours - but my buyers need financing.  I said "cash changes EVERYTHING these days." They didn't believe me.  I've told them about the lending issues - but it just doesn't
"SINK IN." Its a MESS and it means that cash is king.

 

Hi Jesse,

So its the same in Alaska as New York...thats what I'm running into.  ENDLESS delays - very serious issues.

 

Hi Pat,

YES - we are learning who can get the job done...The banks that can't had better watch out.

 

 

 

10:33pm • #27
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Hi Ruthmarie~ I am so sorry you are having such a horrible time with getting your deals closed.  Hopefully it will get better for you real soon.  You are right, 90- to 120 days is NOT acceptable!

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Hi Christianne,

The smaller banks seem to have their act more together.

 

Hi Marian,

We see the client face-to-face.  The lender doesn't and many don't answer their phones - AT ALL. But we do - and we get an ear full.

 

Hi Jerry,

No - they don't seem to think they should be accountable for anything. All they say is "we're well capitalized." Sure they are - after billions in TARP money why wouldn't they be?  But if they don't LEND IT - what good is it?

 

 

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Hi Kevin and Monica -

It's the same everywhere - delay after delay.  Just INSANE.

 

Hi Anna,

Yes, there will be lawsuits if this keeps up. All it takes is one BIG ONE and the flood gates will open. I'm not the litigious type - but if anyone deserve to be sued - its the large banks right now.  The disruption in people's lives is disgraceful.

 

 

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Hi Kristi,

You are most fortunate that you haven't run into this problem - it is a NIGHTMARE for clients and agents a like.

 

Hi Katerina,

The trouble with the initial TARP money was that there were no "strings" attached.  Later there were strings...the banks started issuing pre-approvals again - we also go commitment letters -- but getting from commitment to closing has been sheer torture.  I had one committment letter and appraisal for 10 agonizing weeks!  It felt like they were controlling the "flow" by throwing endless obsticles in the path of a clearence to close.

 

 

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I think local may be the answer.  The last couple of closings with big banks have caused delays, though not as long as you're seeing.

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Hi Missy,

That's the type of thing I'm getting.  There is nothing wrong with ANYTHING - except what the bank "forgot" or didn't "see" that they needed.  Its infuriating.  How many times do you have to go through the file before you notice that "this piece of paper" is missing?   The excuses are insane.


Jesse,
I'm having the same thing with one of my clients - "Gee - its taken so looooong that we have to recheck his employment." PLEASE! If you didn't delay thing three months - this wouldn't be necessary.

Some of this I lay at the feet of the Bush Administration.  They didn't understand anti-trust and felt that "free markets would fix everything." Ummmm no  - they don't anti-trust laws were the result of Standard Oil...Regulation is NOT a dirty word.

 

 

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Hi Gene,

That's just NOT enough.  60 days should be sufficient. I'm seeing things going on endlessly and actually the lenders have been promising and dangling early closing dates in front of my clients.  Trouble is - they can't make good on them - and  then there are problems.  They way people move from one place to another makes thes prolonged escrows UNACCEPTABLE.  People who have to sell to buy - can't sign a contract without the committment letter. Once they go under contract they too have to enter the underwriting process.  Therefore they may have to find alternative living arrangements for a prolonged period.  This is EXPENSIVE and NOT ACCEPTABLE given how tight credit and money is at this time. 

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Tom,
They are LYING about the turn times.

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Hi Debra,
I don't think that's the only problem.  Its so out of control its just insane.  The attitude is worse still.

Hi Melissa,

The 60 days that is common in our area should be more than sufficient - but the escrows drag on and on.

Hi Russ,
45 Days...that's a good deal shorter than it is around here.

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Hi Barbara,

It is frustrating - and thanks...

 

Christine and Jennifer - I'm glad you are getting your deals closed - can you tell us how you are doing it?

Hi Donne,

I agree that the problem is that they AREN'T penalized for saying "NO."  But  I feel a lot of people are being dangled along - and that's the problem.

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Hi Candice,
Keep that wood handy to knock on.

Eric,
I agree -staying local is KEY.  Going with the large national banks is a BIG mistake right now.

Hi Gail  - i agree - it is out of control and has serious implications for our economy as a whole.

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Hi Karen,
I haven't had to deal with short sales, but I've heard they are a nightmare for buyers and seller's alike - we won't even discuss what it does to us as agents..Add that to lending issues and what a nightmare.  I admire your ability to deal with it all.

 

Hi Vickie,

How are you...things will eventually get better!  At least I have transactions to close.

11:39pm • #39
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I find they are asking for the most uncommon things. 

Delay today because they asked for a contract between the buyer and his employer.  Now really.

Last week they wanted a statement from the buyer saying he had been divorced for 20 years. Geez!!!

 

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Hi Christine,

EVERYONE is trying to find out who can GET THE JOB DONE.  I n most cases, it appears to be local lenders.

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It seems as if some of these lenders are trying to find a way NOT to do the loan.

11:44pm • #43
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Hi Linda,

I agree - they are asking for crazy stuff.  I had one buyer that was required to go to her human resources department for a LETTER explaining every pay increase and bonus  for the last three years!

 

Hi Carolyn - thanks so much for the feature.

 

Hi Roland, I think that's exactly what they are doing.

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Ruthmarie:  I'm sorry you feel the way you do.  As I explained, I and many of my colleague lenders are not happy with it either.  I try to be honest with the individual situations I see presenting themselves.  I also try hard to provide the direction, guidance and honesty needed to get the transaction to closing in the best and most timely manner.  Wishing it were different does not change the hard cold fact that these hardships exist in a large number of transactions. 

Maybe the area in which I live has something to do with it, but most closings are not taking place here within the old timeframe.  It's just not normally possible at this time and I try to stress that point to the professionals involved.  In many cases, dates are placed upon contracts in direct opposition to what has honestly and purposefully been suggested to insure the least stressful and most fluid closing possible, thus creating future problems for all involved.  When this occurs, I feel it is not I as the lender that have placed the client and transaction in jeopardy, yet I am most likely the one that will feel the most heat and incur the wrath of the client (and the professional that did not heed my warnings or take my advice).

I totally understand the frustrations being voiced here by realtor/professionals, but it is increasingly clear that for many here on AR the words lender or banker is becoming a four-letter word no matter whether we are honest, hard-working, ethical and trying to do the right thing or not.  Lenders are most often all being lumped together no matter our differences.  The last few months has seen a marked increase in this type of post on AR and it is becoming harder to remain active in AR and the dialogues.  I've always felt this communication was fundamental in the correction of this or any other problem. I am trying to learn from and address the feelings and issues being expressed by so many here, but it is beginning to feel somewhat useless. 

 

 

 

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Just had one close this last week that had unnecessary issues all the way.  We had preapproval aroudn the first of May, went through abstracting (Oklahoma is an abstracting state) and loan committment on June 2.  Did I say loan committment? Yes... Lender was still asking for back income tax statements, bank statements, et. last week.

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Ruth Marie- You know I love ya!  All it takes is one small stone to bring down Goliath.

Need to borrow my slingshot?

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Hello Gene,

While I appreciate your position - my deals which I worked MONTHS on are all falling apart.  I have seen the paper trail of the underwriters and it is a horror show of blatant mistakes, rank stupidity.  They've turned the same file FOUR TIMES for a closing - yet on the FIFTH attempt to close - they find yet another piece of paper no one noticed was missing? I make mistakes, but I don't do this to someone FIVE TIMES.  What seems to be happening in the bigger banks right now is one hand doesn't know what the other is doing - there are TOO many people turning the file and they are looking under rocks for stuff - frankly just to turn it down.  The attitude is terrible.  Emails are not responded to for a week or more - phone calls not returned...you NAME IT!!!  Meanwhile the clock is ticking. 

I then hear the larger banks say - "get used to it." Sorry - this is NOT acceptable.  Transactions are tough enough to hold together.  If we have to get used to this - there are going to be many more deals that don't close.  These failures will be costly to buyer and seller alike.  You do not have to hold these deals together...I DO. If one side gets antsy - that can be the end.  In the four transactions that were mired in mud - 2 had buyers and sellers that were working towards a common goal.  I wasn't so worried about these because everyone just wanted closure.  You can't COUNT on that.  The other 2 were more problematic. We had someone on the other side of one deal  who was just flaky. But they could still pull the plug on the deal.  In another case, we had a seller who was simply mean-spirited and looking to take advantage of the situation. I'm sweating buckets over this.

Also, why do some banks GET THE JOB DONE - while others spin wheels endlessly?

Th bottom line is that the banks that TOOK  THE TARP MONEY appear to be the worst performers.  It's like the scarfed up billions in taxpayer money and stuffed it in a vault and are sitting on it like a hen on an egg.Meanwhile, my sellers who need to GET OUT are spending their dwindling savings on  mortgage payments for an empty home.  This eats up their dwindling savings as time just drags one.  My buyers are often homeless - spending $$$ on hotels and temporary rentals. The financial impact is HUGE!!!  All the while - they overpromise and say "45 days - sure -we can do that!"  Or "We will close on the 9th!" On the 8th or morning of the 9th "We didnn't see that we needed this one piece of paper - no worries its only a WEEK for turnaround - sorry for the delay."

Further, where does a bank get off asking my client for a written explanation of three years of bonuses and salary increases from an HR department?  This is just NUTS.   There is really no excuse for this type of torture for buyers.

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Hi Judi,

I think it depends on the specific underwriter.   I had a few that were just awful.  They chewed on the files ENDLESSLY.  Asking for verifications three and four times. I have one escrow in which underwriting has taken so long they are reverifying several things.  This adds fuel to the fire and prolongs things even more.

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Hi Allison,

Goliath needs to be tamed or brought down to size - but the slingshot might help...

7:55am • #51
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I heard recently that Obama is backing away from the too big to fail mindset. Maybe now the banks will wake up and realize they need to change because there won't be another bailout/handout for them.

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Hi Ruthmarie, you are not alone, I'm right there with you. I think many of us are just flat out exhausted. I feel so bad for the client who put their trust in us, to be able to help them get homes. When there faith is us begins to waiver due to all the delays, and emotions run high, deadlines get missed, rates jump and additional costs impact all involved.

I think there are a lot of Realtors who might join your clients in jumping off a bridge. You are correct 90-120 Day Escrows are absoultely unexceptable! However we're Realtors, Risk Takers...Self Employed people with a passion for real estate and somehow without benefit of pay, we get up every morning and face the challenges and help smooth out the speed bumps on the way to a successful close. I wonder how fast things would clear up,if everyone involved in the approval process (especially in the short sale arena) was paid soley on commission like Realtors.

 

 

 

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Ruthmarie:  I am not asking for forgiveness for those that are guilty ... only for recognition that not all lenders commit such atrocities and have the attitudes that you describe.  

As an example of how this pervasive attitude has gotten out of hand ... Yesterday I received a feedback survey from a recently closed client.  To say the closing was extremely challenging is an understatement, yet it closed just one week over the contract-stated date.  Given the obvious and real personal financial problems of the client, his hostile attitude and delay of providing the needed documentation (which he acknowledged), and the total lack of effort and professionalism on one of the realtor's part, a one week delay was amazing.  Still, the survey returned regarding MY efforts was damning.  His rating of my actual efforts and abilities ... all excellent and very good, but will he use my company or my services again???  No.  Why?  Verbatum: "The lenders of the world are all dirty dogs and I'm mad at the present way loans are being processed.  It was different, slower and more work than what I experienced 5 years ago."  

This customer went on to write that he would actively pursue letting everyone know how awful his experience was and sway them to not use my and my company's services.  This after stating that I conducted myself very well, was knowledgeable and helpful, fulfilled my services and communications in a timely manner, and serviced his loan excellently.  I won't retain this customer.  I won't get a chance at his future business.  I won't get a chance to grow my business through referrals from him or his realtor.  Plus ... he is out there actively trying to do my business and reputation harm all because he is upset about the current changes employed and the overall mortgage industry situation?  I am personally to take ownership of all that?

At those times when I have made mistakes, I have admitted such and tried, if possible, to correct and make amends for them.  Shoot or flog me during those times.  Tell everyone you know to not utilize my services as a result of those mistakes.  I can understand and accept that because I caused my own misery.  Put a bullseye on my back for someone else's misdeeds, bad attitudes, and poor execution?  No.  I don't believe that action is fair and I don't believe all the bashing being displayed helps correct the problems or changes anything.  It just perpetuates and increases the problems and makes relationships harder and more stressful. 

This is all I am asking for, Ruthmarie.  Fair and unbiased assessments of MY services, MY attitude, MY expertise, MY success rate at the closing table. 

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I have started a betting pool at my office, LOL.  When we have a contract  closing date, we all pick days/weeks around it when we think it MIGHT close and then whatever day it actually gets around to closing, whoever got that day wins! Just like baby due dates....

It truly is sad.  People's lives are on hold and the banks generally just tell me that they are waiting for a return call, or haven't gotten to that file yet, or something else.  Customer service?  I'm lucky if they speak English....

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Aah, the cry about those evil mortgage brokers being predatory. I tyhink we are discovering who the real predators are.

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Capitalism will make all of this work out in time.  The problem is that we will have to deal with time.  There are lenders out there that are getting loans done in 3 weeks from contract to close.  I had 2 sales on the 6th and 11th of June that both closed by the end of the month; and I was as shocked as anyone.  As these lenders expand, competition increases.....as long as the government starts to back away.  That is my biggest fear for the big banks that were trapped.

11:03am • #57

Ruthmarie - While I agree with you that most of the big banks and their underwriters are wreaking havoc on the way that we run our businesses and and the lives of our clients, I also agree with Gene about a lot of the LO bashing that goes on here on the rain and elsewhere.

I'm feeling your pain Gene and anyone here on the rain that has ever read any of my comments on the subject, knows how I feel about LO bashing.  Like you, I am also a hard-working, conscientious, considerate and dedicated LO doing every thing I can to serve my clients in the manner that they deserve and expect from me.  Like you, I also get lamb-basted on regular basis for other peoples mistakes or conduct during the transaction.

The best we can do (and by "we" I am referring to both LO's and Realtors) is to do our jobs in the manner that our clients expect and deserve and to communicate the problems as soon as they come up and explain to our clients how these problems are going to be resolved.  I'm a huge advocate of the philosophy of "under promising and over delivering".  I make a point of never promising something I absolutely know I can not deliver.  While I can't speak for every LO out there, my clients deserve the truth and I'm going to give it to them regardless of how ugly it is.

For quite awhile now, I have been educating my clients from the get-go of the issues that they may or may not come up against during the process.  For months now, I have been asking for longer escrows from both my clients and their Realtors.  If it's a standard FHA (most of what I'm doing these days), I have been asking for 45 day escrows (and can usually close in less) and for my 203k loans I have been asking for 60 days (seem to be taking a little longer).

This is an extremely challenging market and I have seen things that I have never seen in my nearly eight years in the biz.  I've had to deal with issues that I have never had to deal with before and I am still seeing a lot of crap from people who have no business being in this business.  I would have thought by now that those people we be out of business but they're not and they're still out there slinging their crap around at everyone they come into contact with.

Buyers and sellers (especially bank sellers) are also becoming more and more difficult to work with.  On that note, I feel fortunate that I have a choice in deciding who I will and will not work with.  Lets face it everyone, there are some buyers and sellers out there that are just plain jerks and working with them is not going to change their personality.  I do my best to avoid those types from the get-go.  Do I miss a few on occasion?  Sure I do and when it's all over, I remove them from my database because I never want to work with them again.  That's my choice and I don't regret the decisions I have made when I exercise my freedom of choice.

Anyways, sorry for the long comment Ruthmarie, this would have probably made a good post but I just felt that what Gene expressed was very important and needed some support from the community.

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Ruthmarie - after leaving the long comment above, I realized I wasn't logged in.  My bad. I can repost if you want me to. 

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I'm with Gail above. We closed a loan today that should have closed in MAY. Buyer almost walked numerous times because of the hoops they made her jump through. What a mess.

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Ruthmarie: You and I have sometimes not agreed, but on this one, I am right there with you all the way.

I have blackballed my own large lender who is JUST NOW closing my refi's from April. No, it is totally unacceptable in every sense of the word.

I feel it was a total bait and switch job, to be honest. They promised a 45 day lock would work.

What a joke. I feel sorry for buyers. But honestly? We should all probably get used to 60 day contracts.

 

6:51pm • #61

Agents and brokers  are slowly building relationships that navigate around these large cumbersome Goliath's of banking.

This is the value of using a mortgage broker.  The independent mortgage broker or correspondent lender knows who can get things done quickly and without hassle. My only advice would be to substitute the bolded word with quickly.

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Hi Darrell,

I'm sure the Obama Administration is having second thought about bailing out those who take the money and run. We also need to HOPE that they other shoe drops.  That the Administration recognizes that anything too big to fail is just to big - and needs to be broken up into smaller pieces - thats what the Sherman anti-trust act was all about.

Hi Peggy,

Although its a good idea on the surface - some portions of the lending industry do NOT lend themselves to working by commission. That would have had the potential to make the loose lending we saw in 2005 look like nothing.  There need to be some people in the loop who are not dependant on a closing to get paid.

Hi Gene,

One of the problems has been that perfectly good loan officers have been made to look terrible. I have one that I like a great deal -but BOY did he overpromise and that made the problems much, much worse.   If it can't possibly work within the required time frame - say so and let that loan go to someone else. Also, when its this bad - you have to make a decision as to whether to stay or leave.  Those that stay have been drinking the company kool aide and are not thinking about what this is doing to their reputations.

Also, as to mistakes, we all make them. Loan officers, banks, agents etc.  Pointing fingers doesn't help. 

When I started favorig the large banks over smaller banks and mortgage brokers I had mixed feelings. They were obviously trying squeeze out the small fry. Mortgage brokers and smaller lenders.  But there was a period when I felt this was the only way to ensure my clients would have their loans funded.  So I made a deal with the devil by favoring them for a short period of time.  It was a DISASTER! Lesson learned!  Like I said, the loan officers I was dealing with were generally very reliable.  But they need to make a decision. Stay with this mess or take a chance and go elsewhere.  For the sake of their clients - they should leave.

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Sherrie,
I hear ya.  Although I'm not taking bets just yet.  The worst part is getting now answers from anyone for days on end - even weeks.  We really, really NEED to know where we are sometimes. Is it so much to ask that they reply before sometime next month?  If one side of the transaction is ansty and trying to bolt -not getting ANY answers for over a week may just cause that to happen and kill an entire transaction which wrecks havoc with the lives of those involved.

 

Hi Joe,

I know you were cast in that light.  Like real estate agents - there were enough bad apples to tarnish all.  But in most cases they were not the problem, but part of the solution. They knew who to go for - for what type of loan and they could get the job done.

 

Hi Tim,

Regulation has gotten a bad name.  The "invisible hand" of pure capitalism let the markets run wild.  Consolidation is as much a part of that process.  When something is ALLOWED to become too big to fail then we are trapped. This is a golden opportunity to break the monopoly up and get us out of the trap - but that will involve REGULATION - which is NOT a dirty word.

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Hi Donne,

<<I'm a huge advocate of the philosophy of "under promising and over delivering".  I make a point of never promising something I absolutely know I can not deliver. >>

 

This is a big part of the problem.  HUGE!  When I hear some of these guys come into our office and say - "We have a 30 day turn-around" I RUN the other way!  Over promising can prevent transactions from closing and cost people money.  I think the larger banks have been having this problem where the LO's are either instructed to take everything and overpromise - or - they are still in a time wrap - thinking its last year!  Whatever the reason, they sucker people into something where they can't possibly deliever and it becomes very costly to the consumer. Been there, done that.

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Hi Erica,

I had a closing that was delayed over a month.  THere were all sorts of last-minute issues and at the last second the bank ALMOST turned down the loan.  The LO who had indeed over-promised  did show his worth and forced the loan through the process insisting that an exception be made. This is not a bad LO -but the problem here is that this person consistantly said things could be done that really weren't possible.  My suggestion to any good loan officer that is caught in this disaster that they should look for another place to hang their hat rather than have their reputations go down the tubes because their institution isn't backing them up.

 In the meantime, I HAVE to take them off my list of lenders.  My clients can not be subjected to the abuse that I've seen -it doesn't matter how good the LO is on an individual level.

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Hi Janet,


I actually just saw your "little brown barf bag" for buyers.  Have to say its imaginative - and necessary.  Great blog. I don't know where this is coming from, but it does feel like bait and switch.  To me, and I know far less than you do, it seems as though  the major players   have Soooooooooo many loans in their pile that they really have no intention of honoring all of them.  They made a business decision to "reel in" as many as they could- and then they skim the cream and throw out the rest.  That decision making process seems to be at their pleasure as well.  From a financial standpoint - they can make out like bandits with such a policy -but on the customer service end - they are headed of a cliff.

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Hi Brian,

We are working as fast as we can.  Its interesting that in a very competative industry everyone agents are working together and pooling their information.  So many brokerages worked with one major in-house lender.  I never went along with that and never "pushed" an individual bank, LO, or mortgage broker.  But mortgage brokers were really under attack early in the year and they were being heavily marginalized  Banks were shutting down access to the wholesale market.  I had a client that was forced to lock-in in Jan from just such an action.  This forced a lot of agents to go to the retail market that offered limited options.  To me, the large goliaths tried to "lock everyone in" to "their way or the highway." The over-reached and now there is a huge backlash - which in some ways is healthy for the industry.  Mortgage brokers and smaller lenders have a new opening...competition helps to stem abuse. 

 

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Ruthmarie,

Thanks for your candor.  I have heard this a lot not just from r.e professionals but also from loan officers for many of the reasons that @Gene Mundt stated above.  This has a trickle down effect to all aspects of the industry and those that service the industry. 

OF course, the consumer suffers.

It IS ridiculous.

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Hi Rebecca,

It is absolutely nuts.  My biggest issue has not been the fact that it is a problem so much as that the banks are 100% unapologetic about it!   This blog forced me to focus on why I was so angry - and the anger has come mostly from the "Get used to it - there is nothing you can do about it because we are calling the shots!" attitude. 

If they are having temporary issues - fess up, work with what you can and admit that you can't handle the rest.   Don't threaten us with being the only game in town and certainly don't tell us that this is in any way "normal."

And you are absolutely correct.  This trickles down through the entire industry - and eventually thorugh the whole economy.  There are a lot of people who need to get paid that are on commission.  If we don't get paid, we can't buy stuff and will have trouble paying the bills. This impacts merchants and those we owe money to.  This impacts credit ratings!  HELLLLOOOO.  This means we can't lay out money - for promotion.  It also means that people buying aren't going to Home Depot or Ethan Allen -purchasing items for the new home - and on it goes - and that impacts salaries and jobs and so on etc., etc., etc......

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Ruthmarie - The winds have certainly changed in the mortgage world, and arrogance has no place in it. "Central processing" and "loan committee" make the hair stand up on my neck. Too hands on for that stuff, although with HVCC and other changes my hands are being pried loose. I love having the best of both worlds I have with my company where we can close the loan in our name or send it to a different lender if they have terms better suited to the borrower's needs. Better service, better/ equivalent pricing than the nationals, no arrogance. Buyers who are fully credit approved before ever making an offer won't need extra time on their contracts, further streamlining things.

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