203k MADE SIMPLE?

Ok, maybe not, but I will attempt to make it as simple as possible for the client to understand and want to read on.  For many of us in the business who are " in the know"  we forget that we need to go back to the basics and spell it out in simple terms for others to understand.  So I've compiled some information based on my most recent commonly asked questions just this week.

In Southern California, FHA loans were just not utilized over the past 10 or so years because of the FHA Maximum Mortgage limits  But now that the limits have been increased and the prices have decreased, FHA loans have become the most utilized loan in recent months.  HOWEVER, because it was not a popluar loan, you would be amazed at how many lenders/brokers do not know what they are doing.  Especially when it comes to the 203k loan.  I spoke to a client today that was given such mis information it made me cringe. 

                                            

 Apparently they told the client that 203k loans were no longer being done (Gee, you think it was after realizing that they had no idea what they were doing?) and they tried to flip them into another loan. This was after telling my client that their loan amount would be for the contract price and the extra money would just be separate and sit in an impound account to be disbursed over the next 6 months.  Ok partially true, the extra amount would be in escrow to be disbursed as the remodel progressed, but for free? Who pays for the extra 50,000 dollars you just borrowed for repairs? Your loan amount is for the entire amount you are borrowing.  Makes sense right? 

So what is a 203k loan and why use one?

When a buyer wants to buy a home that needs repairs utilizing FHA financing, normally the repairs would have to be completed prior to the close of escrow.   The repairs would normally fall on the responsibility of the seller.  With so many foreclosures in today's market, the bank is the seller.  And many times the home in need of repair is listed "as is".  Which in the past would require a cash buyer or conventional financing.  This is another reason that people in the business decided to shy away from FHA loans.  I believe it was pure ignorance of the programs that were available by the brokers and the realtors couldn't properly prepare their seller for what to expect that gave FHA loans a bitter taste. 

 My associate Jeff Belonger said it best in his post about ignoring what your listing agent tells you about FHA loans

Here we go....203k loans for dummies 

                                           

*  203k loans allow you to FINANCE the cost of the repairs in the new loan amount. (Not to exceed 110% of the after improved value determined by the appraiser and 203k consultant) What does this mean?  I buy a house for 200,000 that needs 50,000 in repairs and I can borrow the extra 50,000?  Too good to be true?  NOPE.  That's it in a nutshell....

ok details please.........

*  Down payment is based on the sale price PLUS the final cost of the repairs x 3.5% so for example:

Sale price is 200,000 (DO not calculate 3.5% on this)  PLUS 50,000 in repairs/costs (which includes certain costs and reserves the lender will require) 250,000 x 3.5%.  Down payment is $8750.00 (closing costs are separate as usual)

* Buyer will hire (lender can recommend) a HUD approved FHA 203k Consultant  to go to the property with the buyer to determine the required repairs and wish list repairs.

 The fee charged by the consultant can be included in the mortgage.  The fee can range anywhere between $ 400 to $1200 depending on the repairs required.  Please check with the consultant prior to scheduling your appointment.

*Buyer will obtain estimates from several licensed contractors for the work to be completed depending on how extensive the repairs.

Three estimates are recommended for each contractor but not necessary.  The buyer can act as their own general contractor only if experienced and licensed.  (FHA says experienced, but most investors require the buyer to be licensed)  The contractors must provide documentation to be approved by the lender prior to approval.

The consultant will determine the "required" repairs versus the "wish list repairs".  You must start with the required repairs and then move on from there for you wish list. This is an important step for the consultant and appraiser so that you don't over improve the home and exceed the comparable properties in the area.

Eligible Repairs

  1. Structural alterations and additions
  2. Garage (attached /detached/new)
  3. Remodel kitchen or bathroom
  4. Install appliances
  5. Changes to eliminate deterioration and reduce maintenance
  6. Repair swimming pool (up to $1500)
  7. Modernize plumbing/heating/air conditioning/electrical systems
  8. Install or repair roofing /gutters/downspout
  9. Install flooring /title /carpet
  10. Energy conversation improvements
  11. Major landscaping /decks/fencing
  12. Improvements for accessibility ( e.g. handicapped ramp)
  13. Interior and exterior painting
  14. Improvements that are a permanent part of the real estate

Ineligible Repairs

  1. New Tennis court
  2. Gazebo or bathhouse
  3. Additions or alterations to provide for commercial use
  4. Photo mural
  5. Television antenna or satellite dish
  6. New Swimming pool
  7. Outdoor fireplace/hearth/barbecue pit  (Sorry to those of you in California! Sob)

* Once the consultant completes his report of required and wish list repairs, the lender will forward it to the appraiser for an "After Improved Value".  This is where you may run into problems with OVER improving the property based on current values.  Between the consultant, appraiser and buyer - the FINAL FINAL report will be tweaked to come up with a final report that the contractors will be hired to do.

* So now the file is submitted to underwriting and approved ( you need to qualify at the full amount you are borrowing of course, which may include your current mortgage payment for the home you will live in during the rehab period) and the normal steps for closing will occur.

(BIG PLUS - you can include 6 months of mortgage payments in the new loan amount since it's assumed that you will have TWO housing payments during the rehabilitation of the new home.  This money will be deducted each month during the rehab process) This is optional.

* Closing occurs, and the work begins within 30 days of closing/funding. (This is when your mortgage payments start since this is when you started borrowing the money - however, if you included the 6 mths mtg payments, they will be deducted from escrow starting when your first payment is due)

* Disbursments are made throughout the following 6 months from the escrow account (normally 4 draws with one final inspection, but  this can be increased for higher repair amounts) as the work is completed.

Remember you paid the seller for the price of the home, and then you borrowed an additional amount of X which is sitting in an escrow account to pay the contractors (your total loan is the total amount you borrowed)

Once the last disbursement is made and the final inspection showing COMPLETED AS PER THE CONTRACT........you are done! Simple As 1 2 3  - okay maybe not, but that's why having an experienced lender on your side is crucial!

There are specific properties and repair requirements for this type of loan, so please call me for specific details if this sounds like the right loan for your new home.

Please send me your before and after pics!  I would love to see them and maybe even post them for people to see what can be done with this awesome program!  Or contact Colleen Craig FHA 203k Specialist for more details

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 Happy Rehabbing!

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

 
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97 Comments on 203k Made SIMPLE? Yes, for your clients..........

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I have had buyers who should use 203K talked out of it by their lender.  Lenders who have it available to them... 

6:36am • #1
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203K is a great alternative to property's that need to be rehabbed but need to close first. I have had several of these loans go through in the last year.

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Thanks for the primer. It has been, and I checked, 17 years since I did a 203K. It was a nightmare of paperwork back then , but it looks as if it has streamlined form those days. If I can work a short sale for a seller, I can do this. In fact, I wonder if it would be a good idea for a short sale, since they need to close as quickly as possible, and there are no repairs. What do you think? 

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Thanks for all the info on 203k loans.  I didn't know much about them but I am learning.

7:14am • #4
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Colleen, thank you for this detailed and easy to follow explanation of the FHA 203(K) loan.  I am bookmarking for a future reblog.  I advertise a lot of HUD homes in my area and most of them require either the 203k, conventional, or cash.  Not sure if this is true in your area, but here the 3.5% downpayment is reduced to $100 if you utiltize any FHA loan product to purchase a HUD.

7:19am • #5

Colleen,

Great info for us not in the know. Trying to research some of these products leaves your head spinning like Linda Blair in the Exorcist. You have laid it out so well.

Hope you don't mind if I use part of it to educate my clients.

 

7:28am • #6
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Collen you spelled it out pefectly.  It's a great program and it works well for all the foreclosures we'e got here in Phoenix. I'm giving a class tomorrow on just this subect as it amazing how many agents have no idea of how to use this great program...nor do most lenders!

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Colleen,  Congrats on the Feature!  This is a great example program, of the negative stigma that was attached to these loans years ago!  It is not like every purchase, or loan falls within these guidelines, but it is surely nice to have in the arsenal, considering we have lost sooo many other loans!  Obviously, you can see in Jeff Belongers blog, and others that FHA as a whole is still VERY misunderstood...It is good to get accurate info out there!

Nice job!

Bucky

errrr....Darin

 

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Thank you for this excellent piece of information on 203K loans. I have a buyer who is looking to do something like this, and I had no idea that a consultant was needed.

8:27am • #9
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Good job Colleen, the 203k is a great program and except for the repair estimate it is basically the same as the regular FHA 203b for the buyer and real estate agent and most lenders do not require a consultant unless the loan amount is over $35,000.

It is the perfect solution for many trashed foreclosed homes.

9:05am • #10

Hi Colleen,  Thank you for this great information. I didn't know these types of loans existed, however, I haven't had to get a loan in the last 5 years either.  Good to know!

Thanks!

 

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That was great.  Will bookmark and print out and send info to client I am currently working with.  I am trying to list a home that will fall in that category. 

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Collen: So happy to see this featured, and that your explanation was so user friendly. This is a perfect reblog since there is so much misinformation about this loan out there.

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Maureen - I'm sure your clients were talked out of it b/c they may have had it available, but didn't know how to do them.  I've been hearing that alot lately.

Laura - Thanks for the comment.  yes these loans are getting more and more popular with all the foreclosures.

Joe - Excellent idea for a short sale - however, you would have to have a buyer who is agreeing to do the FHA 203k when you present it that way to the bank.  Most realtors are going to the bank to negotiate the short sale before they have a buyer correct?  But if you find one, yes you can go to the bank and the "no repairs to the bank" would be a great negotiating tool.

Russ - I'll be doing more on this, especially the streamline k so keep your eye out to learn more.  It's a great program to have the knowledge on.

Pam - We do have some FHA programs which allows for a silent second in CA which reduces the down payment from 3.5% - but they can't be combined with the 203k.  Same would go for a HUD to HUD purchase if you were utilizing the 203k - down payment would still be 3.5%.

Kim - Yes, feel free to use in the future to educate your peeps - isn't that the purpose of Active rain? - share share share.

 

 

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Anna - So many foreclosures out there that would benefit from this product - it should be used more!

Darrin - you wouldn't believe what my client was told about the 203k. They  totally botched it up and then said that fha stopped doing them......Jeff would've had a field day with that one! haha

William - as Bill stated, you only need a consultant if it's a FULL 203k and not a streamline - Your client can get a streamline if the repairs don't exceed 35,000  (well actually it's more like 30,000 in repairs - b/c  you have to leave room for some of the lender fees and reserve that is included in the 35,000)  Check to see if your client is going with a full 203k or a streamline to confirm if they will need an consultant or not.

Diane - thanks for the comment - now get the word out to your friends in Orange County.  :)

Sandra - it's a great way to advertise that property  - Perfect candidate for a rehab loan - ask us for details!  :)

Janet - thanks for the comment - yes it's amazing what misinformation is out there.  And sad.

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Great job Colleen..... and congrats on the star.

I made a point to learn FHA early in my career even though by broker didn't want to do them.... you know, since they are so hard. 8-)

 

 

10:36am • #17

Colleen, what a great job and so worthy of that star! Such a great loan program and so little understood by many. It reminds me of all the construction/perms I used to do because so many lenders were afraid of them too!

I just got a referral from a Realtor here in North-Central Florida that was told by her lenders this program was "just too hard to do". Now I have another Realtor referring me business!

You gotta love it, and I've gotta reblog this! 

Gerry Suarez, Jr.

Your FHA Loan Pro!

10:55am • #18
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Colleen,

 

You also might want to mention the Streamline K which is for 35k and less and doesn't require a HUD consultant.  It is helpful as many of the areas of the country have very few HUD consultants left doing these loans.  Also you might want to mention the Conventional renovation loans offered fro 2nd home buyers and investors!  They are a great option as well.

 

All the best,

 

Mike

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Great job - and thanks for highlighting this program! It's not that hard, just a little different process.  Having a good team of folks who understand the program makes it work well!

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I'm glad you put this out - I'm going to reblog. Thanks a million!

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Mike -   yes i'm working on a streamline K for dummies blog now - and good idea on mentioning the conventional for second homes and investors!

Steve - hey all the way from my home town of Gloucester County - I grew up in Turnersville.  Thanks for the reblog!

Tom and Gerry  (lmao)  Thanks for the comments!  You too Eleanor.

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Colleen - BRAVO!  As a fellow 203k LO, I too am amazed at the amount of misinformation out there in our particular market (LA/Ventura counties) right now.  Having done a few of these now, they can be more challenging but they are not the "nightmare" that some people seem to think they are.

For many of my low-medium income borrowers who are spending almost everything they have to get into a home, most do not have the funds to make many of the dilapidated dumps in their price range habitable.  The 203k is the perfect product for that demographic. 

12:20pm • #23
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Great article! Reblogging it.

 

1:02pm • #24
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This was valuable info.  I had not heard of this program before.

1:19pm • #25

Colleen,  Great post.   Too many people avoid 203K loans.    I have my own site here in Ohio to inform, educate and promote 203K loans.  

1:28pm • #26
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Colleen...  I always hate writing about this kind of financing, because it's just plain boring.  lol  But you didn't make it boring, just the topic about mortgages and specifically, FHA 203-k loans.  But you did a great job of explaining it and breaking it down. 

My first 203-k loan that I did was back in 1994 and I was with a good company at that time, that had a 203-k department to help with these. I was taught well and have done many since then.  What you brought up about the other lender saying that they no longer exist, kills me and ticks me off. These are the type of loan officers and lenders that should not be in the business.... PERIOD. Someone should report them...  if you either don't have the program, don't know much about a specific program, or just too damn lazy to learn about it... don't steer the borrower into a corner, just making it easy for yourself.  Just my ,02.

In any case, nice job on this and congrats on ths gold star.

jeff belonger

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Great post and an easily understandable format.  You've clarified a lot of things for me on how a 203k works.  Thanks!

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Great explanation!! 

I have learned a lot from your blog!!  I have many clients that will be pursuing this particular loan and I am excited to go through the experience of being involved with it.  Fortunately, I have a lender that I work with that is trained for the 203K.  That will make it so much easier - like you said- to have someone who knows what they are doing with this particular loan!!  AWESOME info and thanks a lot!!

2:49pm • #29

Great post! My husband and I used a 203-K here in Texas for the purchase of my first Home and it proved to be a challenge, but the best option for us as first time buyers with little cash for repairs.

Ashley Myers
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I think many agents and loan officers shy away from it because they are not educated enough on th eproduct.  Thanks for your very well written post.

3:08pm • #31

Thank you for the valuable information on this type of loan, very helpful!

Laura

 

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Colleen - this info is great! I wasn't aware of this type of loan, and I know of clients who could benefit from it. I've reblogged your info in the hopes of getting the word out!

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Thanks all for your comments,  Glad that I was able to help!

Remember if a lender shys away from doing this type of loan - run and find a lender that knows what they are doing.  And maybe even quiz them with the information posted here to see if they really know how to do one...

Jeff - did that happen to be Pioneer Mortgage?  They were the pros back then.....that's where I learned how to do them in the 80's.  Thanks for you comments as well.

:)

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This is not an easy road to go down and is not for the faint of heart, but a good option for a determined, organized and very tenacious buyer.

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This is great information and very easy to understand.  So many REOs aren't otherwise available to a buyer who doesn't have cash.

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My past experience with buyers using this program has been good because we have a local loan officer who specializes in the FHA 203K program. I spoke to him last week about one of my "old house" listings and he told me about the new streamline program. Sounds like a new arrow in our quiver for buyers!

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Good stuff Colleen.  Can a 203K loan be used to purchase a property that would otherwise not meet FHA standards for purchase?  For instance, a big one with FHA is the carpeting/flooring.  If you've got bare slab in the house, FHA generally won't touch the loan, even if the slab is professionally stained and sealed.  Can I then do a loan that includes the hardwood floors or carpet and still get the loan to close?  It sounds, like you have explained it that you can...

Would a 203K be affected at all by a short sale of the property you are purchasing?

 

8:35am • #38

Thanks, Colleen for bringing attention to this loan program. It is exactly what is needed to remove some of these foreclosures off the market which is bringing down our property values. Education is the key to making the 203K loan available to more Realtors. And in this market, every one can use another tool in their toolbox to sell more homes! Looking forward to your blog on 203K streamline loans which really is a very simple process.

Roz Highfield
8:40am • #39

Colleen,  Great info!  We have a tough time in our area finding anyone with the knowledge to do this loan, most just won't do them.  Can you do this financing with clients out of state?

8:40am • #40

We use the 203K alot here in the Houston area.  What you have to be careful of is that most lenders do not offer this type of program.  For example, here in Houston, we have only three major players.

So if you hear negativity from a lender it is probably because they do not offer that program.  We utilize the 203K streamline alot, especially if the home just needs upgrades.  More and more agents are becoming aware of this program and are starting to utilize it.  A small warning needs to be given...203Ks usually have to be approved by the construction department and then the financial department, thus it takes abit longer to close one but the wait is really worth it because it will close.

What we do in our office is pre-approve all potential buyers for the 203K in case it is needed.

 

Larry Tew

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Colleen,

We recently had a client who bought a HUD property.  It was a smoker's home so it needed paint, carpet, appliances and mostly cosmetic changes totally around $10,000.  We were told 203K's are for more extensive renovations.  Is that true. 

Also, HUD homes have to close in 30-45 days or there are stiff penalties for the buyer.  Our lender told us there was no way a 203K could close that quickly.  Why does HUD say a home is 203K eligible if it's not possible to close in the timeframe they require? 

What type of improvements does the 203K work best for?

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Hi Colleen~

Fantastic post. Here in California these loans definately went by the wayside for many years. It has been about 18 years since I have done one! Just recently with all of the distressed properties, we are definately seeing the need for these loans again. I appreciate the simple, understandable explanation of the program and will definately share this information with my clients and colleagues.

Thanks again!

9:08am • #43

THE BEST PRODUCT ON THE MARKET FOR  THE CURRENT INVENTORY HANDS DOWN!!!

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Colleen, this is an excellent step by step explanation of this type of loan. Thanks for taking the time to SPELL it out! ;-)

9:15am • #45

Great post Colleen. I thing a great sequel would be the Energy Efficient Mortgage (EEM) with FHA. It's a great way to replace that stolen AC unit that often "disqualifies a property for FHA".

I am strictly in Real Estate and no longer do mortgages. I found a great local Banker/Broker in my area (Sacramento) that does the 203K and EEM - they even have classes to teach Realtors about them.

My biggest concern with the 203K is time and I would appreciate your insight as to how these loans affect total time for COE. Here's why. . .

I am an REO Agent as well. I know, first hand, that time to close is just as, if not more, important than the price. It is difficult for home buyers to be competitive with an FHA loan, let a lone a 203K, when 60% of the homes under 150K in my market are sold to CASH Investors. They can close in 2 weeks and the banks will take up to 20% less than an offer with FHA loan.

Sellers (banks) will often list the home as not eligible for FHA yet, correct me if I am wrong, the 203K can be used to remedy all lender required repairs. Therefore, virtually all REO properties can qualify for FHA loans. It's also important to remember that conventional loans have lender required repairs as well. One could say that certain properties would qualify for FHA with the 203K but they would not qualify for a conventional loan.

I believe that the FHA with the 203K option (especially the streamlined version) is a great option for homes above a certain price point - that point is defined where cash investors aren't a significant part of the competition. The other great fit is short sales where apparently time is not of the essence and there are very few cash offers.

9:18am • #46

Colleen,

Thank you!  You got this done--the idea was banging around in my head for a while--and did a way better job than I could have.

I have reblogged.  Feel free to reblog anything of mine if it will help you in any way.

9:21am • #47

Colleen, I have been doing 203ks since the early 90's and based on the comments it appears there is more interest now than ever.

I think the biggest obstacle in getting a "K" loan done, is the REO listing agents, who don't understand the program and won't allow the extra time it might take to get the loan done. Which, I don't understand because most of these homes their condition will only allow cash offers.

The key to a timely closing, is complete control and a very good working relationship between the Realtor and Lender. Even though HUD guidelines for the "streamline K" don't require a HUD consultant, making the buyer responsible for gathering the bids is a recipe for disaster. The HUD consultant, will give you a list of the required repairs and include any additional items the buyer may want and most importantly include a cost breakdown that can be used by the buyer when interviewing contractors. I have seen many streamline loans get to underwriting and the underwriter requires a consultant's report anyway.

Tonda & Steve - HUD is a big supporter of the program and you shouldn't have a problem with them accepting your offer with a K loan. Repairs can be minimal, such as new carpet, paint and appliances. The streamline K doesn't have a minimum repair requirement, but should be enough to warrant the extra costs associated with the loan. I think if you write HUD an offer of a K loan with a longer close, the might be receptive. But you and your lender have to be in complete control of the process to avoid a catastrophe.

Greg

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9:22am • #48

Very valuable post Colleen.  Thank you!  Would you follow up with a response to Hoagland's question about improvements - are't their limitations?

9:26am • #49

Excellent article and perfect timing. I am writing an offer today with just such financing. Was going to contact the buyers Lender for more particulars, now I can simply follow your instructions.  Way to go and let's continue sharing excellent information.

Carole Jacoby
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This is a terrific article. I've been seeking additional info on the topic and this is very timely.

9:41am • #51

Great post...the 203K loan is truly a great product, especially if the LO knows what they're doing.

 

9:47am • #52

Great explantion of the product. They are not as difficult as they used to be. I feel a better understanding would help both sides of any transaction.  www.FHA203KREHAB.com

9:54am • #53

Thank you so much Colleen for a well written post that opened our eyes to different loan products and generated a lot of interest and comments all so valuable.  I learned a lot from all and my interest has been renewed in 203K and EEMs.

Thank you,

 

catherine

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9:55am • #54

Very worthwhile and timely... I have had lenders say what a "&%!@?)#" they are and leave it at that. I have never done one but would love to do so. I will copy your post to send to prospects and my sphere as this would be something that a first time home buyer could utilize in getting into a property that needs repairs.... Here in Montana, there are pockets of homes with bad foundations... this surely could make a difference

9:58am • #55

I recently learned about the 203K streamline loan when my sellers septic went bad! I was happy to learn there was a program out there for the buyer interested in the property.

9:59am • #56

Great post! Thanks Colleen!

10:01am • #57

Colleen,

Great information. One of my biggest issues was finding a lender who would do these types of loans. I now use a guy in Austin since I have been unable to find anyone here in San Antonio who will do a FHA 203-K. Maybe I have not looked in the right places.

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Colleen - Thanks for highlighting this important and relevant topic with your Blog.

This week I had a loan officer at a major Bank tell my client that bank does not offer the 203K program and he tried to talk them into another loan program. 

The bank in questions definitely offered this type of loan, but the consultant was not an "approved consultant" and he didn't want to lose the client. 

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Good article.  I re-posted to my outside Blog.  Does Homepath have a rehab loan program?  Do they have one for the non owner occupied loans with 10% down?

10:23am • #60

Very Informative- With the current foreclosure, short sale market there are lots of homes to choose from and many need repairs- a great way to help a buyer get a good buy who couldn't otherwise.  I used to re-hab properties full time and the procedure sounds similar to what I had to do to borrow money from a local bank as an investor.  I'm sure buyers will learn alot during the whole procedure.

10:26am • #61

Great Post, lots of helpful information.

We just recently did a 203k streamlined, and it was not that difficult.

I'm getting more requests for rehab funds lately. Good timing on your post.

10:45am • #62

Hi Colleen,

Congratulations on having this post featured. I would like to add one thing that I haven't seen mentioned in the comments yet: I just went through a sale with my Buyer, which was funded with an FHA, 203K streamlined loan. "Streamline" by the way, may be a misnomer because it still took 3 months to close, but that is not what I wanted to mention.

It is very important to note that the subcontractors doing the repair work in our particular case, all had to agree to receive partial payment at the start of their repair work, and to wait until All work had been completed by All subcontractors, before receiving their final checks. There are 6 subcontractors involved in this $10,000. rehab. We closed 2 weeks ago. I do not know when the final job will be done but I'm guessing that it will be 5 or 6 weeks before those final checks can be distributed. In other words, the  Buyer will have to find patient subcontractors.

Frances Sanderson, Franklin, NH  REALTOR®, Certified EcoBroker®

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Chris - i agree it's not for the faint of heart which is why it is crucial to educate the buyer UP FRONT about the expectations and what process is.  Most specifically TIMEFRAME - you can't jam 10 pounds of potatoes into a 5 pound bag - give it at least 60-90 days for a full streamline and 45-60 for a streamline and it will be smooth.  If you try and do it in 30 days - it will most definately be a nighmare.

Christine - This is perfect for REO's - again it's about setting expectations for both the buyer and the bank.

Carolyn  - I'm going to work on a piece about the streamline next - it's great for those properties that have minimal repairs (35,000).

Ron - YES this is a perfect candidate for the 203k streamline program.  The STREAMLINE can close quicker than the full 203k b/c it is for properties with minimal repairs - nothing structural.  The max amount is 35,000  that can be financed on top of the loan amount (actually that includes some fees and a reserve so it's really like 30,000 in repairs) I'm going to post about the streamline in the next few days -This is perfect for those REO's or properties that need work. Im not sure what your question is :would a 203k be affected by a short sale?  Can you use a 203k for a short sale property?  Yes - but you would need a buyer that is qualified for the 203k to present to the bank.

Randy  Yes we are licensed in all 50 states!

Tonda and Steve  Unfortunately you were given incorrect information - a FULL 203k has a minimum of 5,000 in repairs.  That sounds like a STREAMLINE K would've been perfect for your property.  A STREAMLINE can be done in 45 days and is for minimal repairs - nothing structural.   Paint, carpet, appliances.  I'm going to post the difference between a streamline and full 203k with listed repairs in the next few days - there seems to be alot of interest in this.

10:52am • #64

How do you overcome the fact of no certificate of occupancy on a home that has not been finished yet?  I was in escrow about 3 months on a home that my buyer was trying to get a 203K and when his third extension had to be signed and he did not sign it, the Bank/Seller just put it back on the market.  We were waiting all that time for the bank's response on what they would pay for and what they would not pay for.  I think it was the Selling agent not communicating good enough with the bank.

Roxanne Schilling
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Thanls Colleen, great explanation and I've reblogged it.

11:04am • #66

Hi Colleen!  thanks, I am reblogging.  I am writing on one of these this week, just finished working out the details with the short sale lender and new lender..this makes it easier to explain to the buyer!

11:50am • #67

Pretty good article.  You never specified if you were describing a 203k streamline or the regular full Monty version.  I would like to make a note of two things that were commented through this 'blog'.  You technically do not need a consultant but I would highly recommend you get one, and these are still not simple loans to do and still have a mountain of paperwork attached to them.  I've done several over the past year and none of them were easy.  That being said, if you need FHA financing, and the house will not pass an FHAappraisal because of section 1's then this is your golden egg.  Kudos to you for bringing it forward.  I'm one of those guys that would prefer not to do them but with the inventory of homes dissipating and the ones that are left are in need of help.... what other options do you have for a person with only 15k in the bank?  oh yeah!!!  don't forget about EEM on top of you 203k!  that's a great bene to your buyer. 

Chris
12:23pm • #68

Thanks Colleen this is very helpful.  I have personally found loan officers who were not informed and perfer to dismiss this option for buyers.

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Colleen,

Sounds like you have in under control. great job!

1:20pm • #70

Thanks for the post!  I personally knew most of the nuts and bolts of how FHA 203K's go, but you even taught me a thing or two about them. Great job! :)

1:38pm • #71

Colleen: This is super, thanks for the comprehensive review of the 203k! I've used it twice in the past two years. In both cases, my clients were unhappy that the rate was a bit higher than a normal FHA. But in both cases, they were able to do major repairs to home that would otherwise NOT have been able to "roll the cost" in to the mortgage. So in a world in which we cannot have it all, I think it is a great alternative. And borrowers can always lower their rate through discount, if they choose. It's a good solid program. Thanks, again! Shari Kay Hunter, Minnesota

Shari Kay Hunter
2:06pm • #72

Hello Colleen,

This is an excellent post. You hit the key points very well. I have experience with the 203k loans. The problem I have had is many lenders either do not do them (including some major banks) or they do not understand the process. Particularly if the lender is a banker and they are underwriting based on the U/W guidelines of another investor.

The good news is the 203k allows buyers to purchase an REO and have the property completely rehabbed into their dream home. This is a win win for everybody.

Good Job!!!

 

 

Ken Bryant
2:27pm • #73
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Colleen - Late to the party, sorry about that:)  I'm surprised about the abundance of reaction, since these type of posts (informative as all heck) don't usually garner the traction they deserve.  This one does.  The market couldn't be more ripe for this particular product.  Nicely done.

3:01pm • #74

Colleen -

Thank you for the overview and detailed information!  I have yet to work with a buyer that needs an FHA 203K loan, but now I know who to go to!  Thank goodness you are LOCAL - Your my new go to for FHA 203K Expert!

Cheers

4:20pm • #76

Colleen:


Great way of explaining the loan, i am a real estate agent but i am also a project coordinator for a  SAN DIEGO RESTORATIONS  a construction company in San Diego, Ca. this has been a great tool for us, since a lot of the bank owned properties do not qualify for fha or va financing, we can include on the offer the repairs to be included, either thru a discount to the property or thru the 203k loan, since for a stream line it can be up to $35,000.00. it makes great. specially if you can give you client the ability to choose their colors or flooring finishes, as long as the improvements are necesary and not a luxury most of the time it is approved.

Another plus for us agents is that since we are comission based, the higher the property value we create the more we can improve the community with the comparables.

if you ever need any help in the San Diego Area, we will appreciate it.  sanddiegoap@gmail.com is my email.

i will try to send you some pictures of some projects we have completed.

congratulations on your great posting.

Edgar.

edgar herrera
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Hoo Ray 4 FHA! They saved our Shiney Hineys. We're in the Manufactured Home Industry and work with lenders all the time that need engineered certs or foundation inspections, installations and retrofitting. If it wasn't for FHA I'd be tending bar and my wife would be hawking cocktails. No not really we've actually been at this for almost 30 years and are nationwide. But at least 75% of our revenue comes from FHA loans.

I'm glad to see someone doing a little coaching in this arena because I think until the bad economy dust all settles and lenders get over the whippy=do's and quit hoarding their doe-ray-me FHA will continue to be the bigboy on the block. Personally I think many lenders are either afraidd to go down that road or don't want to deal with a new learning curve and lots of paper work. The lenders we work with who do specialize in FHA loans are all thriving.

6:17pm • #78

Thanks so much for the post. I am currently working with a similar situation and really had now idea about all that you have posted. I knew a little, but not enough I guess. In those situations, you have no other choice but to go along with what the lender say. I really appreciate it. Thanks

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Thanks so much for the post. I am currently working with a similar situation and really had now idea about all that you have posted. I knew a little, but not enough I guess. In those situations, you have no other choice but to go along with what the lender say. I really appreciate it. Thanks!

6:27pm • #80

Great article.  I have been trying to educate local realtors on the 203k program.  It's a great program that needs to be utilized more.

6:27pm • #81

F.Y.I. for all those who do use this product... Yes, it is a wonderful way to get a "construction loan" so to speak without the usual hassles of many inspections and multiple draws though what is little talked about is what happens when the loan is sold on the secondary market. My latest client who used the 203K mini - rehab loan got stuck waiting for the loan to be transferred and to make matters worse it was being purchased by BofA! We all know how bad they are handling their accounts these days... it can be a lesson in patience to say the least... So, although it is a great product there are difficulties that inherently are attached to it that your clients should be aware of as well.

Scott Crouch
7:20pm • #82

Thank you so much for clarifying it as perfectly as you did.  It was quite fortuitous timing, as I was just calling the lender in my office to inquire about it for a young couple to see if that mght help seal the deal!  Thanks again.  Sheila Malloy, Re/Max Greater Atlanta

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Roxanne - - if you can't get a C/o and the house is inhabitable then that's when the 6 mths of mtg payments can be included in the new loan amount during the rehab process before they can occupy.   I know some states are different with their C/O requirements But I see you are also in CA and I haven't had any issues with a C/O yet.  I'd be curious to hear what you've ran into - please email me. I'd love to discuss this with you. 

Chris  To clarify - for a full streamline you do need a consultant but for a streamline you don't but I find it easier for the client if they hire one anyway.  Thanks for the comments

Shari - Yes the rate is slightly higher but not like it used to be in the past -(almost 2 % higher)  there is alot of work to be done during the 6 mths so these loans are priced accordingly.  When you explain it to your buyer - they are buying a house and borrowing the money for repairs and paying it back over 30 years?  you just can't get any better than that - can you?

Ken  I agree it's a win win - some many REO agents don't realize this is an option to help the bank out of paying for the repairs and to help the client too!  Win win is my motto...

Sardi - Thanks for the comment - i now realize that this information needED to get out there after today!  i'll be following up with a second post in the next few days on the repairs that can be done with the streamline and full 203k

Angel  and Edgar Hi neighbors! looking forward to doing business with you in the future - thanks for the comments

Scott - I'm sorry your client had a bad experience after the fact - that's why it's critical to go with a company that really does speacialize in these loans.  We have an entire 203k DEPARTMENT that knows what the heck they are doing - but again without the up front guy/girl setting the expectations - your client could end up dissapointed.  But if they had the right expectations, the same process, even a delay in purchasing wouldn't seem an issue if they expected it.

 

 

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Colleen,

You know you have written a great blog when other agents are saving it for their future reference! Thank you. With all of the foreclosures in need of lender required repairs, the 203k can be a lifesaver! Do you take agent referrals?

11:00pm • #85

Great article, but from my experience I have had two clients use the loan and both were disasters.  They had nothing but issues in getting approval on contractors and then disbursements of the funds.  They were stuck paying out of pocket and pushing the lender for the money.  Your bullets certainly make it sound easy, but unfortuantely, I've yet to see it turn out as such.

Vincent Prestileo, Jr
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Thanks for adding that the mgt can be paid during the rehab period. Something I needed to know. There is a lot of lenders who do not know about how to do this--and they are 203k lenders

1:41am • #87

Colleen,

Thanks for a great blog.  I printed it for a reference guide.

10:18am • #88

FHA 203K Loans are a great opportunity!  Sometimes it is not possible for the Seller to make repairs prior to the close of escrow due to their financial situation.  Thanks for this great explanation!

Sharon Parisi
10:23am • #89

Great Information.  This is what we need. I have a buyer that is trying to qualify for that type of loan right now.  This will help motivate him.   Thanks for the article!!

ROBERT WEBB
11:19am • #90

As a title company and not a lender, I have found that this is the finest way that I have found the rehab explained in all its gory, I mean glory!  Colleen, thank you for this explanation.  This will make it so much easier to speak with lenders on the subject in the future and to maybe clear up some misconceptions that are out there.

Kevin Stroud, eSettle, llc

2:04pm • #91
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I have yet to close a rehab loan as every client that wants/needs one can't seem to qualify for it.  I would like the experience of getting one closed if I could just find a buyer who can qualify.

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Great post.  It really helps to have it stated in such simple terms.  This is worth re-posting for maximum view.

5:55pm • #93
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Which lenders do you use?  Thanks

6:02am • #94
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I just had a call today on a 203k! Thanks for the post.

1:34pm • #95
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Thank you, Colleen, for this article.  My husband and I are considering foreclosed homes, and have been told by lenders that don't offer 203(k) that this type of FHA loan is just far too complicated, and "everyone (she) knows" who has dealt with them has regretted it.  It certainly put the fear o' god in us.  The house we're considering now will need extensive work, and I can only find one HUD 203K consultant in our general area in North Carolina.  This is going to be quite a journey!

Laura (buyer)
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Laura,

We are licensed in North Carolina (actually all 50 states)  if you need help - I 'd be glad to help you!

There was link for 203k consultant on my blog - did you try that to find a consultant?

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