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I picked up a listing in December of a Highland Park house  (5528 Echo Street, Highland Park, CA 90042) that had been on the market for several months and had expired.  The owners are lovely people.  The house, although once a great beauty built around 1905 sided in wood with large character windows, had been stuccoed and slidered by investors in the early 1990's.  This happened shortly before the neighborhood was zoned as an HPOZ - Historic Preservation Overlay Zone.

We priced it in the middle of the market and soon did a price reduction but most people who came to the open houses would get wide eyed as they drove up, shook their heads for a moment in shock and drove off without stopping.  I took to standing in the street and trying to guilt them into coming in.  "Hey, you already drove all this way.  You may as well take a look."  I met some great people that way and sold a couple of houses to buyers I'd met there.  However, the owners kept asking why so few people were coming to our open houses.  As tactfully as possible, I informed them that their curb appeal was frightening people away.  Our buyers are generally creatives or movie and television professionals and have a refined sense of aesthetic.  They tend not to envision themselves welcoming friends and family to Thanksgiving in an barren hard monstrosity.

The owner's daughter, who fortunately shares the taste of the new wave of buyers, and I got the endorsement of a mutual friend of myself and the family's to be the final arbiter.  A very stylish lady who designs dresses in Beverly Hills, she took no time in giving the thumbs up to the de-stucco.

The next hurdle was money.  This family has none.  So, I agreed to host a de-stucco workshop at their house and invite neighbors and all the local historic groups to learn how to do the same to their homes.  We got about 25 people in attendance and in 3 hours the bones of the original house emerged much to the delight of the owners, the restorationists and all in attendance.

I spent about $150 on tools, a couple of 4 lb sledge hammers, flat crowbars, wire snips, gloves, goggles, dust masks, tarps.  We started by taking a few good whacks at the stucco and our local expert, Robin Guttman from two doors down the street, showed us how to wield the tools for maximum effect.

The salient points were:

1) Protect yourself with gloves, goggles and dust mask

2) Hit hard enough to break the stucco but not hard enough that you'll break the old wood underneath. It takes a few hits to get a handle on how much heft to use.

3) Break the stucco in sections.  The chicken wire used underneath came in rolls of three feet wide.  If you can find the edges of these wire rolls, you can peal large sections of stucco off fairly quickly.  Otherwise you can clip the wire along the broken edges of the stucco and peal of chunks.

4) Be careful pulling nails.  The wood underneath can be fragile, so use a piece of wood under the nail removing section of the crowbar to buffer the pressure so as not to crack or break the wood.

5) Be careful on corners and around windows.  Sometimes no firm support is used in these sections and the sledge can sink in unexpectedly.  We discovered that the mouldings around the top of the porch had been removed and just tar papered over. 

6) Be prepared for a forensic study of what you find underneath.  We found gorgeous wood clapboard siding mostly in great condition with a few broken boards we could easily replace.  We also found several windows that had been removed, plywooded over and stuccoed.  Luckily we have resources to find period windows to replace them (very inexpensively) at salvage yards, craigslist, garage sales, street corners and hordes in the back yards of other restorationists.  On the second floor we found lovely scalloped shingle siding in excellent condition.

 The value differential between old character houses from the late 1880's through the 1920's that were stuccoed and aluminum slidered verses those that are historically intact is about $50,000 in Highland Park, Los Angeles, California.  Sometimes a little more, sometimes a little less.  The best part is that its relatively easy to de-stucco and relatively inexpensive.  The biggest costs come in wood repair,  but still that's a pittance in comparison with trying to apply appealing character to the outside of a stuccoed (formerly) character home. 

An important caveat here, make sure that your home actually has stucco over wood before you go knocking away at it.  I generally check by reaching the the door of the crawl space and feeling the wall from the inside.  I also check around the doors and windows if the original trim is still there.  If the stucco is even with the door and window fames, its generally over wood.  You still want to use caution and explore all possibilities before you knock of huge sections.  On this Highland Park home we could see the original wood siding in an add-on bonus room below the house.  It also appeared in one of the pre-add-on interior closets.  We could feel the wood through the crawl space.  That was enough for the owner and I to do a test patch which came out lovely.  Homes in southern California built in the 1930's or after often had stucco siding originally so study the character and framing of your home.

Huge thanks to all who participated in the de-stucco workshop: Robin Guttman for sharing his wealth of expertise, the Echo Park Historical Society that video taped the event and put it on their website, Charlie Fisher of the Highland Park Heritage Trust and the HPOZ committee for lending a hand and document the event, Taylor Negron (comedian) for showing up and beating out his frustration on some errant stucco, and Jessica Benton artist and restoration consultant/project manager for all her advice.

You can see a video of our De-Stucco Seminar at this link: http://www.historicechopark.org/id64.htm or for more photos of 5528 Echo Street, view my website at http://www.thehansonteamonline.com in the Events page.

Below are some of the photos from the Seminar. Check back soon for updated photos of the progress being done!

Breaking the stucco off in Sections             

 

18 Comments on De-Stucco - The Beast that Choked the Character Home

Wow Rob, you definitely went above and beyond. I just listed a home built around the  same time. Unfortunately for the owners, a company here basically stripped the house of everything they could. They even took the staircase! The owners have tracked down a lot of the original items, the staircase,pocket doors,some mantels.I brought to the listing appointment some photos of the home before it was stripped.The owners almost cried! They picked up the pictures, and many comments like ...so thats what that mantle looked like,wow that stained glass window was beautiful. They just have put so much energy into trying to get it back to the way it was. Now they need to sell to start a new business, all I can hope is that the next owners will continue the work these owners have begun.

 

06/07/2007 09:15 PM by Cait Donohue (Coldwell Banker Gundaker)


Welcome to ActiveRain, Rob! Great idea getting the neighbors and historic groups involved. I'm sure this will lead to future business or referrals. Are there any before and after pics?

06/07/2007 09:33 PM by John Novak - Las Vegas and Henderson NV Real Estate (Keller Williams Realty The Marketplace)


Congratulations on  your "first blog" and welcome to ActiveRain!

06/07/2007 09:34 PM by Margaret Woda, Maryland Real Estate (RE/MAX VISION)


Rob~

 First of all---WELCOME to Active Rain where you will find a whole gathering of friendly folks who will appreciate your posts!

This is so interesting...and love the pictures that your writing evoked in my mind as I went through the process with-you. Do you happen to have any photos? Would love to see them.

06/07/2007 10:15 PM by Asheville's GREEN Land & Homes ECO-Steward Realty


Rob, I'm sure you've been told this before...but very interesting pic you've got on your Profile.

Reminds me a bit of a criminal sketch though. :) 

Have a wonderful weekend. 

06/07/2007 10:37 PM by Beth Patnode, MN Home Staging Firm, Minnesota (Minnesota Home Staging Network~ MN's Top Home Staging Firm)


I'm with John - I would have loved to see pictures - another "out of the box" idea - Congratulations.

Ines

06/07/2007 10:42 PM by Rick & Ines - Miami Shores Real Estate (Majestic Properties)


Rob, I'm 4th generation (both sides) from L.A. I always thought some of these houses were so cool and that they should be restored. It's hard to think of L.A. as historical, but I love those "old" places.

06/07/2007 10:51 PM by Dena Stevens ~ Ecobroker ~So. Colorado Realtor (Colorado Western Real Estate)


Rob,

Now that is what I call thinking outside the box.  You really rolled up your sleeves on this one.  Hopefully the work will result in referrals from others in the neighborhood who see that you value preservation of these homes.

 

06/07/2007 10:57 PM by Rita Taylor | Sanford NC Real Estate & Homes for Sale in Sanford North Carolina (Strother Real Estate)


Rob, congratulations on your first post!!!  And, it was FEATURED!!!  Not a small feat, but at the same time NOT a surprise!  :-)

For everyone who would like to see pictures, there's actually a video that was taken during the workshop.  Please click here for Rob's welcome to AR post and you'll find the link there.

06/07/2007 11:08 PM by Pasadena CA Real Estate - Irina Netchaev (Keller Williams International Realty)


Rob, I don't know how you thought of your de-stucco workshop - but it was brilliant.  Welcome to Active Rain.  I look forward to reading more of your posts.  Betty

06/07/2007 11:41 PM by Betty Haney (Haney Consulting)


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06/08/2007 02:49 AM by Brad Andersohn ~ Community Builder (ActiveRain)


Hi Rob - what a really clever and creative way to achieve several things - correcting that curb appeal, helping your seller client increase their odds of selling now, getting YOUR name out there to all those people who attended, and some great help to those businesses who took part and helped in this endeavor.

Well done on all fronts, and congratulations on your featured post!  As janeAnne mentioned, we'd love to see some pictures of what you wrote about.

Welcome to Active Rain!
Ann

06/08/2007 07:26 AM by Portsmouth NH Real Estate ~ Ann Cummings (RE/MAX Coast to Coast - Portsmouth New Hampshire)


I've written post on several different ways to attract buyers, and to make yourself stand out from the crowed.  But i must say, the workshop you put on is one the most innovative technique i've heard of.  it has definitely opened my mind to many new ideas.  thank you for the wonderful post.

06/08/2007 11:32 AM by Joshua Talayka (Chase Internatinonal)


Innovative way of thinking and being a good service provider.  I sure am glad there was great wood under that stucco.

06/08/2007 04:14 PM by Kathleen Lordbock- HSE,RESA,SEA,SD ~Minnesota Home Stager~ (Re$ale Design & Home Staging)


Rob - thanks for adding the pictures and the video!  Again, a great job on your part, and thanks for letting us know in your post.

Ann

06/08/2007 07:21 PM by Portsmouth NH Real Estate ~ Ann Cummings (RE/MAX Coast to Coast - Portsmouth New Hampshire)


Very interesting post and great information. While I don't come across these kinds of things around here much, it's fun to see the experiences others around the country encounter. Thanks for sharing!

06/08/2007 11:14 PM by Ryan Hukill - Edmond RealtorĀ® (Hukill Group - Paradigm Realty)


This was such an interesting post on all fronts.  Your own marketing, synergy and the photos combine to create such a compelling story.  If this was your first post I can't wait to read more, although this one will be hard to beat!

06/09/2007 10:49 AM by Judy Orr (Classic Realty Group)


YAY thats my house, hey rob thanks for mentioning me on here, im so glad we got rid of all that concrete that surrounded my house, and hopefully we keep the stuccoing the sides of the house, slowly but surely we'll find some other buried treasures beneath all that concrete.

 One of our neighbors who used to live there since she was a little girl said she saw the house before they put all the stuff on-top of the wood, and she said it was her favorite house because it was the most prettiest one of the bunch. Well i got to go, thanks so much for sharing this fun even with everyone rob, and yes My family and I are so grateful we have u as our seller guy, we couldn't of asked for a better person for the job,

 

THANKS ROB!

07/16/2007 01:39 AM by isis


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