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After reading just too many complaints about commission rates....about clients negotiating commission rates.....about how to deal with negotiating commission rates, about negative comments about clients or prospects negotiating rates, I had to say something about it.

It is absolutely OK for your clients to ask for commissions reductions.  Moreover, you should expect your client to ask for commission reductions.
And a double "moreover", you should expect only people that do not like to negotiate not to negotiate commissions (that was a mouthful of double negatives). 

SIDE NOTE: We are in a totally different world than we were in year's past.  Though that statement has nothing to do with my position it does have alot to do with society as a whole.  20 years ago communication was quite limited compared to what it is today.  Today we can learn just about anything we want to learn in a minutes notice via the internet, TV, radio, etc.....  These mediums are dramatically different than they were 20 years ago......heck, 5 years ago.  Many of us remember when we had but a handful of TV stations, one or two talk shows on the radio, and pre-internet.  Thus, what we are learning and taking in is substantially different than previous years.  Thus, we are all becoming "experts" at more things than were previously though possible.  Now back to commissions.  NOW WHEN I REFER TO COMMISSIONS, FLAT RATE FEE PROGRAMS WILL APPLY AS WELL. SO IF YOU ARE A FLAT FEE AGENT, MERELY PUT IN FLAT FEE IN LIEU OF COMMISSIONS.


You cannot go anywhere without hearing about negotiating commission with a real estate agent.  Go on line to a zillion real estate blogging sites.  Turn on the TV.  Turn on the radio.  We have all heard or read a tremendous amount of topics on negotiating real estate commissions.  Some of these comments are by some extremely well respected individuals who people follow their advice to the "T".  So many of us hear or read these comment and we cringe and get angered.  It is human nature to get angered by some individual making a comment about someone else's industry without that individual really knowing that industry.  Well, we can cringe all we want, but that wont stop the comments from being made.  We can always reply to a blog, or call in to a radio talk show, or comment on the internet about a real estate show.........but it will continue.

We real estate agents, for the most part, are all in business for ourselves and we know what our profit margins are based on our models.  Some have models for "x" fee, some have models for "y" fee, some for "z" fee and so on.  We know what we personally do and what percentage it takes in order to make a profit.  The media tends to put all of us in a little box rather than boxes of assorted sizes.  Thus, the perception is throw out that agents make a gazillion dollars on each transaction......as...hey, it's simple, just do the math.  Even my step-dad told me last week after I closed a $700k home "wow, you made $42,000 in a day".  Mind you, if I have been in business for 28 years and have tried to explain this to him for 28 years and failed, why would it be a mystery to me that others would not understand this as well.  

OK, my step-dad may be to the extreme, but that is the perception of many....including the internet, TV and radio.  So if you thought someone was making that kind of money for just throwing a house up on the MLS, would you not want to negotiate the commission down?  I mean, that is an crazy amount of money for typing in a few words and putting a sign in the ground, right?  That's is the perception that is being thrown out to the world and more so in today's market than ever because of the massive increase in communication.

So knowing that most people are being fed this information from multiple sources, why would you not expect someone to ask for you to cut your commission.  I think it is not only understandable, I believe it is to be expected from prospects or clients.  Moreover, I am usually a bit shocked when someone does try to negotiate.  It is our job to professionally re-educate prospects and clients on the reality of our business.  Why would I expect the public (or media) to know how expensive it is to run a real estate operation if they have not been in our shoes.....and are constantly being fed misinformation?  

The point that I want to get across is to expect each and every prospect or client to try to negotiate commissions at some point in the real estate transaction process.  Our society has told them to do this.  Thus, they will.  Therefore you have to have a script to handle this as you would with any other objection.  It is a must as if you fumble with your words you will appear as if you actually are making as much as they think you are.  If they don't ask, great.....but don't expect people not to ask.  

Like I have said so many times before, it is such a simple mindset change, and you will enjoy your job so much more.



 

 
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56 Comments on It's OK for clients to ask for reductions in your commissions: Deal with it!

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I recently had a clients ask me, "will you reduce your commission because you sold the home so fast?"

My reply was, "No, but I wont charge you extra either for doing such a good job."

The client asked and that was the end of the conversation.  My feeling is that I negotiate my fee in advance in most cases and unless there are some extenuating circumstances it is not necessary to re-enter the same negotiations.

 

I personally don't like it when someone tries to neogitate the price of an item AFTER the service was already performed.  It almost blackmails the service provider into having to discount since they have already done the work.

 

Imagine if Joe Public went to his job at the factory and at the end of the week his employer called him in for a meeting to discuss the idea if he would be willing to take less for the past week?  Not next week, but the week he already worked!  It is the exact same thing when a client wants to negotiate AFTER a transaction is arranged.

4:51pm • #1
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The point that I want to get across is to expect each and every prospect or client to try to negotiate commissions at some point in the real estate transaction process.  

That's an excellent point.  I'm going to direct all my clients to this post.

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Negotiating commissions after the fact is the only part of negotiation with a prospective client I don't appreciate.  If I have done what was outlined in our listing agreement and our personalized marketing plan then I've earned our pre-negotiated commission and it isn't open for debate.  Selling fast doesn't mean the job is done and that is what many clients don't understand.

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Bruce: You had me in stitches.

Cindy: I 100% agree and that is why we have to have an answer.  Penalized for success.  What other business gets that........

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Hi Tim

Everything is negotiable but not after the fact.

Good luck and success.

Lou Ludwig

8:57pm • #5
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I love this:

 

I recently had a clients ask me, "will you reduce your commission because you sold the home so fast?"

My reply was, "No, but I wont charge you extra either for doing such a good job."

 

EXACTLY!  Great answer!

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Tim...

At first I missed you point, but Cindy's comment and a quick reread straightened me out! Excellent post!

8:25am • #7
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I have been selling RE for over 20 years and know 100% that selling the house is only 10% of the job so if someone wants to pay lower commisssion on the first 10% I can simply raise the commission on the other 90% of what I do and make up the difference if we renegotiate.  Not really but I hope you get my point too.

8:37am • #8

"Today we can learn just about anything we want to learn in a minutes notice via the internet, TV, radio, etc.....  These mediums are dramatically different than they were 20 years ago......heck, 5 years ago."

 

The consumer should not have to ask for a break or a reduced commission. They have lost their equity.....their 401k.......their pride....yet Realtors ask for the same commission they got 5 and 10 years ago.....it's really not common sense. They do a lot of research on their own....find listing for us to show.....educated themselves on a particular area.....and Realtors hold their hands out for a f ull commission???? It was one thing when the Realtor held the holy grail "The MLS BOOK" but today.... well  it's time Realtors give in a little give something back and shed a new image that Realtors care and are concerned for the homeowner- Realtors provide an important service.... there is a way they can get out from being compared to "used car salesmen" A new motto or branding should be WE'RE REALTORS WE CARE!

 

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8:50am • #9
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Tim, this has always been a hot topic. Personally, I think that once the terms are negotiated, they should not change unless the structure to sell the property changes. What I basically mean in that is the fact that for the deal to work, someone needs to lower some fees.

9:20am • #10

Tim a very powerful post, this again goes back to relationships. If you have developed a true relationship with your seller, then they should see the value in your service and the commission will take care of itself.

10:04am • #11
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Sure it's ok for them to ask.  How can you blame them for asking?

HOWEVER, If one of you is a Realtor, and one is a client, then somebody better be better at negotiating than the other, (FYI: it should be the Realtor) !

BTW:  If two Realtors talk about commission rates, in person or online then that is illegal price fixing.  

HOWEVER, I am no longer actively selling, so I can talk about commission rates in detail, as a coach or journalist - even if two Realtors cannot.  

The amount you can charge is tied to your ability to fully explain the benefits of your service.  Basic service will never be more than the 'discount rate' while great service will always be worth more than average.  I offered clients choices between 6 and 10 percent.  For each level of commission, I painted a picture of how much more work I could do, and how much more advertising and marketing I would be able to afford - and most importantly, how much I could offer a Buyer AGent.  Most of my listing clients chose 8% because it was in the middle.  Nobody wants to be cheap and nobody wants to pay too much.  : )      

BTW:  I used to deal with the fast sale commission reduction request AHEAD of time, in the listing presentation.  When finishing up the commission negotiations...  

One more thing...  I want you to know I do most of the work of selling your house in the first 10 days and the last 30. In between, we answer the phone, schedule some showings - etc.  Just so you know, once I take photos, write the marketing copy, do the online marketing and online listing syndication, get you in the MLS properly, then there is a lull in the middle.  It's not a lot more work until an offer comes in.  Many people don't understand this and it has caused some confusion, so I am sharing this information with you now - just in case.  I do a good job for all my clients but some sell faster than others due to circumstances beyond all control.  I have had clients for whom all the stars aligned, and we sold really fast. These clients sometimes asked if I would reduce my commission because we sold so fast.  I used to tell them, Here I am feeling like a million bucks, because you did not have to sit on the market for 6 months or a year, and we are about to enter the hardest part - the last 30 days, with inspection, appraisal, closing preparations, and you want to cut me off at the kneecaps?  So, I just want to make sure, if we sell your house extra fast, will you want to celebrate, and refer me to friends, or will you want to cut me off at the knees?

Never had that after the fast sale problem - ever again  : )

 


10:11am • #12
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FLAT RATE REALTY:  Sorry but I could not disagree with you more.

In today's market, a skilled agent is worth even more than they were worth 10 years ago.  It's harder to sell a house today.  BTW:  

You are going to hate me for this, but it is a VALID question.

Do you know what percent of the market in your area is sold on a flat rate plan, and what percent is sold on a percentage basis approaching 6% or more?  It's a simple statistics question.  The answer might tell you which plan is better : )

In our market, the flat rate guys have been trying to sell for over 5 years, and they have less than 2% of the market.  What does that tell you?

REAL ESTATE IS A PERSONAL SERVICE BUSINESS and GOOD PERSONAL SERVICE GETS THE JOB DONE.  

IMHO:  Flat rate plans cannot get the the job done because nobody has enough incentive to work on any one deal....  And the marketing budget is not there.  

Oh sure, you can sell if you give it away on price...

But how many sellers would rather get 5% more money for their house even if the agent cost 3% more???  

EVERY ONE OF THEM!!!!

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Great post, and Lonn, I LOVE your comment. In fact, I'm printing it out and rehearsing it.

10:40am • #14

Great post!  and Great Comments!  Thank you.

11:21am • #15

I agree with Lonn the flat rate agents in my area are maybe 5 or 6 out of 750 and most of their listings expire especially in a tough market like we are in. Lets face it Real Estate is probably one of the most challenging jobs out there you can work hard everyday and not make a dime...probably why only 10% of agents make it past their 2nd year. Another great point was made most sellers have no idea of the cost involved in operating a Real Estate business because that's what it is a business so lets treat it like one. I charge a rate that I need to sucessfully operate my business. Have I given discounts out in the past sure but not anymore. When a seller asks me to cut my commission I simply ask him if he would like to work with a Realtor who can't even negotiate his own pay cheque try to negotiate the sale price of his home? A logical person would see the obvious point and end of discussion. I also continue to educate the seller on the value I bring in services above and beyond most agents in my area and explain how much an agent actually nets once the brokerage takes their cut, marketing and every other expense is paid most people can't believe we don't take home 20k a deal like they do on tv. Another point I make that works great is explaining that 9 out of 10 homes sell with 2 agents one does all the marketing and another brings the buyer thats the power of the MLS. I let them know that I pay a competitive selling fee to buyer agents which not only helps us get the showings we need but will ultimately get their home sold faster and for more money. At this point they now understand how we work and gladly sign the agreement with my full fee included.

Craig Comeau

Royal LePage Kelowna, British Columbia, Canada

 

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11:30am • #17
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Very informative post.  Nobody understands how much work is involved in selling a home until they've done actually done it.  Communication and education is key. 

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Hey you on Post #9.  The 3% I was getting 3 years ago is not same 3% I am getting now.  We have all taken a cut already.  If home prices continued to zoom I could see where discounters might have an inroad. 

I took a listing at a discount.  It is the best home in the neighborhood, priced at about $1,000,000.00.  I think it will sell easy and maybe land me some more listings.  Am I telling the neighbors I listed at a discount - NO!

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From a copywriters point of view, I see this as a marketing issue.

As long as clients think all you do is fill out the listing and stick a sign in the yard, they have a right to think they're paying too much. It's your job to show them the work you do on their behalf so they can see what they're paying for.

I have just finished writing a series of "Expired listing" letters that will soon be available to cut and paste into a postal letter or as an email follow-up series. My aim in writing them was, of course, to demonstrate how much work a FSBO seller will have to do in order to avoid paying that commission.

Now I'm thinking that a similar set of letters, or perhaps just a "special report" would be a good method to let listing clients see how hard their agents work to earn that commission.

Of course, if an agent happens to be one of those "list it and forget it" folks who really do just stick a sign in the yard, then the above does not apply! (I know some of them, darn it!)

Marte Cliff, Real Estate Copywriter
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12:41pm • #20
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Dear Flat Rate,

Are you NUTS? 2 years ago the average sale price was much higher in my area than it is today. Yes the sellers took a hit but their values have dragged us down with them. In the meantime, marketing costs ( for those of us who market homes, not just slap them in the MLS) have gone UP. Gasoline has gone UP. Auto insurance has gone UP. The cost of my work vehicle has gone UP. Office costs have gone UP. I still have to dress nicely. Any guess as to which direction those prices have gone? Transactions are requiring more and more work all the time as underwriters require more and more docs. And now you suggest that I should work for less. I see that I have answered my very first question :)  

1:11pm • #21

Denial, that's where most Realtors are. There are more FSBO's and Flat Rate listings than ever before. That's a fact. And for those Realtors that don't admit you give a flat rate or a modestly reduced commisson you need to come out of the closet....There are KW agents,Century21,ReMax,and others that do the flat rate program!! That's also a fact. Now for those of you who say it takes more these days to sell a house......do you think that the consumer just fell off the cabbage truck????  It is easier than ever to get the word out on selling a house......Flat rate agents do the same work as any other agent they just do it for a lot less. If you think that the consumer is going to continue to mortgage 30k for you to sell them a 500k home your completely in denial. I am going to copy some of these posts and use them in our website... thanks for the great marketing material.

Flat Rate Realty
1:15pm • #22

Lonn, how many websites do you have??? What are your domain names?? is your email Lonn@yahoo.com?? Do you have an adword campaign??? Is your website listed on the 1st page of Google??? Now the answer to these questions would be oh so interesting but I am afraid I already know them.... The FACT is that the OLD SCHOOL ways of advertising....placing an ad in the local real estate book or paper is useless...thats why all the newspapers are going out of business.... Flat Rate Real Estate is just the smart way of doing business using the latest technology.....DO NOT DISCOUNT WHAT THE CONSUMER IS CAPABLE of.

Flat Rate Realty
1:24pm • #23

Ron, same as post #22 but ad this .......McDonalds $ menu,Starbucks$ coffee,Geico,Progressive,Ford,Chevrolet,.....hell any commercial you here on the radio....everyone is discounting. Certainly these companies are'nt NUTS!!!! WAKE UP YOU ARE IN DENIAL :)

Flat Rate Realty
1:30pm • #24

Ahhhh a video that make Realtors cringe!!!!!

 

Take a look...listen to the consumer.......I said listen to the consumer not to others that are in the same rut as you are......If you listen you might learn something.

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=2796105n&tag=related;photovideo

Flat Rate Realty
1:39pm • #25

You will have to cut and paste this address into your browser-don't be afraid (I like the part where the REMAX agent can't answer the question of rebates.....LOL

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=2796105n&tag=related;photovideo

Flat Rate Realty
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Okay...you now you young people have done and woke up Broker-Granny at the ungodly crack Noon!

And now I'm dadburn cranky!!

 

Gene #19, you are absolutely correct that the selling commission on a house five years ago is NOT the same as the selling commission on a house in today's market, where many areas have seen property values cut by 20-70 percent.  That would compute to paycheck for both listing and selling agents at about 20-70 percent LESS! 

 

Holy Cow!

 

I never really thought about it that way until you pointed that out.  I'm going to have to start charging twice my normal commission, just to break even with my paychecks from the earlier part of this century! 

 

How much luck do you think I'm going to have when I tell my home sellers that I'm going to have to charge them 12 percent commission now?  I mean, gas and groceries are up for me too!  Although, according to Mr. Poster #9, I'm a Realtor, so the cost of living shouldn't matter to me...because, I guess from his post, I'm a Realtor and Realtors...I guess...aren't quite people, according to the insinuations made by our good friend, Mr. Poster #9!   

 

Akay, that's it, I'm going with the 12 percent commission from this day forward...EXCEPT...I am not that good at negotiating, so I have a sneaking suspicion that a lot of folks are going to negotiate me all the way down to six percent, fully taking advantage of my advanced years with all sorts of sneaky trickery that I don't quite understand.   

 

Cut agent salaries back to 5-20 years ago, Mr. Poster #9?  What kind of convoluted "Common Sense" is that?  Please explain to me why I should be penalized with such an extraordinary reduction in my income.  Seems like I have to work much more diligently, and much longer, and with greater difficulty and more competition form a plethora of incompetent agents who will do anything for a buck TODAY than I had to do in the yesteryears. 

 

Dear #9, regarding your suggestion to cut our hard earned paychecks...how utterly laughable!

 

Now, I wouldn't begin to tell anyone what they should do, and especially Mr. Poster #9!  For instance, I wouldn't dare make a comment to you, Mr. Poster #9, suggesting that you personally go back to your lovely world of used car sales, especially when you have the wonderful world of fast-food opportunities, just waiting to embrace the likes of you.  And don't forget, that minimum wage fast-food job is probably a lot like that flat rate commission you seem to like; only there they call it minimum wage instead of a flat rate.  Oh, and when you do get there, make sure you tell them that you'd like to roll back your own personal minimum wages to what they were twenty years ago...because hay, you're actually a Realtor and you care!   Right?

 

I'm wondering exactly how much it is that you do care?  Do you personally care enough to start multiple charitable foundations of your own?  Do you perchance donate 75 percent of your income to charitable trusts like this particular lady...who is also, as you insinuated Mr. Poster #9, a greedy Realtor?

 

http://www.kiva.org/lender/carol6571

  

http://www.storylink.com/profile/7690

  

http://www.IndependentMicrofinanceInternational.org

 

Now, this is ONLY a suggestion on my part, and only my silly little old blond headed opinion, but if I were you, Mr. Poster #9, I'd get my proverbial ducks-in-a-row the next time you insinuate that Realtors aren't giving back, or doing something to make this world a better place...because many of them already do.

 

In fact, I hear from pretty good sources that a whole bunch of Realtors are financially hurting, mostly because of the current economy that is highly tied to the real estate market, cutting their salary would be a BAD thing in this particular economy.  Sounds to me like you might be a part of that particular group that wants to cut the salary of hard working folks and give multi-million dollar bonuses to the like of certain wall street executives who have run their companies into the ground.   

 

Sincerely? Hmmm!

 

Broker-Granny...now leave me alone, I'm going back to sleep, dadburnit!

 

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2:45pm • #27
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Tim, we have a listing appointment this week and the seller told me upfront their home had lost so much value that they didn't want to lose more on commission. I do not get into discussions about negotiating commissions over the phone - they haven't seen the marketing and value we provide, but I am ready for the negotiating.

There will always be discount real estate brokerages for those who can't afford full service. It is not just even the internet, TV and other advertising - it is the all important networking with other agents who work in the price ranges and communities. Companies who charge a flat rate just can't provide this level of service or marketing because the money isn't there to spend the time to do it. They make their money on any buyers who come from their listings.

Sharon

2:56pm • #28

Interesting... 

As professionals, rates are (or in some cases, should be) based on the business model that we follow as business people.  That means compensation (aka fee structure) must be competitive with the market place, enough to support the cost of doing business and enough to make the business worth doing. 

The value that the consumer finds drives that rate, if the consumer doesn't see the value, they will go elsewhere.  What is your value proposition?

Does your doctor negotiate his rate? how about your lawyer? how about your accountant? They probably could, but do they? In order to be respected as professionals the collective industry needs to act like professionals.

The perspective about the value that we bring to the table needs to shift from what we do, to a combination of what we do and how we do it.  The value that we bring is not soley transaction based, but rather and combination of transaction based and knowledge based.

Recognizing the value of the transaction combined with the knowledge builds the foundation for the compensation. 

3:23pm • #29

Granny- go back to your nap....... I guess you do not know how to cut and paste so that you can view the video......you do not hold the MLS BOOK anymore......everyone has a copy.......and as for flat rate agents not provideing service......now thats just a bunch of "YOU KNOW WHAT"! Flat rate Realtors just don't "SLAP" a sign in the front yard!!!! A lot of Realtors have dead websites and know nothing of marketing except for the preverbial open house with the $100 door prize. JUst make sure that your open house has food and drink or no body will come. Flat Rate Realtors are tech savy just like the consumer. I wish you all would stop telling the consumer that their uneducated and don't know what their talking about!!!!Hey Granny maybe your time would be better spent making cookies for open house......Charity.....it's none of your **** business what others give to. THE WORLD HAS CHANGED AND REALTORS BETTER ADAPT just like the business's in #24 ------Who the heck do SOME people think that they are.......that the status of what they used to make is what they will always make???.....and that their business model should never change......well the Department of Justuce is with the model of change.......but oh I forgot SOME people think they are above the law and that they are GOD.......WRONG ;)

Flat Rate Realty
3:39pm • #30

Dava,

Does your doctor negotiate his rate? how about your lawyer? how about your accountant? They probably could, but do they? In order to be respected as professionals the collective industry needs to act like professionals.

Yes they all negotiate....Just ask......! The point to this blog was that The consumer is going to ask for a break on commissions and how will you respond to their request.........Most are saying NO to a commission cut but still others are saying yes.....Will no one reply to #24. Are you all so smart that you think these companies are stupid too??? How many of you have ordered from the dollar menu???? Hey #21 do you think these companies have the same problems you do??? They have to dress nice,buy gas,and have work vehicles.....

No reply to the 60 minutes video????? Or you just speachless!?

 

Flat Rate Realty
3:55pm • #31

From the LA TIMES

Realtors are abandoning a listing ship

REAL ESTATE

The housing crunch and Internet are shrinking the ranks of agents.

Marco Huerta and Youngmin Bae bought their Burbank home without ever meeting their real estate agent. Instead, they scoured listings for their favorite neighborhoods, haggled over prices and even wrote their offer using Marco's cellphone.

There was no housewarming plant on the porch when they moved in, but the couple aren't complaining: They received a $10,000 check as a "rebate" from their agent's 3% commission.

Flat Rate Realty
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There should be a place for all types of agent services, including flat rate, discount rate, do-it-yourself and whatever other label you might want.

There is a reason why we have Nordstroms Department Stores as well as K-mart and the like...nothing wrong with patronizing your favorite flavor of store. 

But you know, this intent to raise a ruckus is nothing more than a show of immaturity.

it's rather obvious to me that these folks from flat rate realty prefer Broker Bashing to Broker Cooperation!

I wonder if my decrepit old mind will remember to remember that when I run into one of their listings? 

 

I'd think twice about how your treat others...then again, I'm the charitable type...something must be wrong with that.

 

Broker-Granny...one old gal that can still hold her own!

 

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Wow.  Hit some sore spots, eh?  I don't recall making any negative comments toward flat rates.  That came from left field.  Great comments and thanks to all.  If I hit a sore spot, you misread the post.

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Hey Tim, I like the topic you addressed, however you did not include any solutions to the problem. I would have liked a post that addresses a problem, identify the issues and offer alternative solutions. You stop on second base. Be glad some of the comments here are saving the read...

Flat Realty only knows to put down hard working Professional Realtors, that is what they do at their listing presentations and that is what they are doing here. All we have to do is to see what percentage of the houses sold on any market have been listed and or sold by them.

Antonio

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Antonio: Thanks for the input.  I had never heard of the company before.  Now I and the internet world knows.  I will let the world be the final judge.  That's the way it works........

7:25pm • #37

Still no answers to the questions asked........Antonio Flat Rate is not puting Realtors down....It's telling them to wake up and listen to the consumer.......

 

It's OK for clients to ask for reductions in your commissions: Deal with it!

Deal with it ....don't blow off the consumer. Get off your almighty high horse and come down to a level of today's reality......that is all that is trying to be addressed! .........but if you want to disagree then just answer some of the previous questions....

 

Flat Rate Realty
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This is all very interesting in light of the recent members-only post about the future of how we do business, and the couple of follow-up posts.  Things are obviously changing in a multitude of ways. I believe marketing a house is 'easier' and less expensive than it used to be (once the skill set is learned, and if one keeps up with the technology). But advising clients who've stuffed themselves full of info they've gotten off the internet - some good, some bad - is much, much harder. I work with more buyers than sellers, and I can tell you, I put in a lot more hours with them than with sellers. I think buyers' agents deserve a raise. Do you figure that into your rate, Flat Rate?  (Please, just a question - I'll be able to read the answer only if it's written in a 'normal' font.)

10:06am • #39
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Flat Rate Realty, I am not a Realtor but even I know when something is wrong. In comment #23 you ask about Lonn's websites. Then you talk about showing up on the front page of google. Well, frankly, I have to ask, what search puts www.flatraterealtyinc.com on the front page of Google. Your page has a PR2 and the landing page has no Alexa ranking at all. Your home page has an Alexa ranking of over 8 million.

Now, I am not sure if you know what Alexa means, however, let me explain that. Alexa is based on traffic. The higher the number, the lower the traffic. This means that you are not reaching the public anymore than anyone else. Actually, you are reaching them a lot less since more than 80% of home searches begin on the Internet.

As for a home owner having the time to properly market their own property, that might be the most ludicrous thing that I have heard lately. If they had the time, then why would they even enlist YOUR services. What advantage is that for them. HECK, FSBO.com has a better online presence than you and is probably cheaper. And can get the same service.

With that said, let me state this. I have to agree with the Realtors when they state that market conditions are not the same as they were 5 years ago, 10 years ago, or even last year. They change. Therefore, you need a Realtor that will stand the test of time, one that knows the market conditions, and one that knows how to get a property listing to dominate Google. I am willing to bet that you can not show me one property listing that Flat Rate Reality has that sits in the top spot of a Google search. However, I hope that you will please ask me that very same question because I am prepared to show you.

You also mention print ads in the comments as well. I personally do not know anyone that sticks to print ads as their only form of marketing. If they are, then I would tell them that they are behind the times and needs to accept the technological changes.

In closing, and let me be clear about this, Real Estate is not a game. It is a science of marketing. If you know it, then great, if you don't, you need to learn it. In the medical industry, if you have the chance to have open heart surgery by one of the leading physicians or you can pick a back alley doctor, who would you take?

11:41am • #40

A great point was made that I want to highlight. Discount agents make their money from the sellers who eventually buy our full rate listings. Personally I think that the discount agents should get paid what they offer buyer agents that sell their listings...wouldn't that be fair? Just a thought.

Craig Comeau
12:48pm • #41

Flat rate agents are real estate agents and REALTORS just like all of you that are trying to linch anyone with a different and better approach to real estate. Please though do not compare a surgeon to a REALTOR......That's just stupid!!! and as far as websites.......well you obviously have no idead how many thousand domain that point to flat rate real estate do you???? the comment of domain was made because most individual REALTOR sites are plain JANE names like "Craigsellsrealestate......Flat rate real estate is obviously a threat to REALTORS "OLD SCHOOL" method.........its's awesome how all you "OLD SCHOOL" agents get so bent out of shape.........is anyone going to answer any of the questions earlier posted????......any comments on the 60 MINUTES VIDEO?????........do you think just because you passed a 2 week class that cost $400 that you know more than the consumer......I agree that the consumer is very busy trying to make a living to pay their mortgage but as I say again "FLAT RATE REALTY UNDERSTANDS THAT THE CONSUMER IS VERY WELL EDUCATED AND IS WILLING TO REWARD THEM"

Flat Rate Realty
1:04pm • #42
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Flat Rate Realty, if you are to lead us to believe that "thousand domain that point to flat rate real estate", then please advise us why your site still has a Page Rank of 2? If you truly have that many inbound links, then you would truly have a better page rank.

Then again for you to state that your company does it better than the traditional Realtor sounds like you are passing judgement. Either way, you have many holes in your theroy. And by the way, the comparison is just, it is just that you do not like it because it does not side with your mentality.

Realtors will always be in need no matter what cut rate opportunity is out there. Most home owners know nothing of marketing, especially when it comes to marketing a home for sale. But, the bottom line is this. You always get what you pay for.

2:59pm • #43
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Broker-Granny here...again!

 

I've made a BIG mistake...sorry about that...I sort of got caught up in the moment when I felt this Flat Fellow was attacking us, demeaning what we do and DEMANDING that we take heed as he was closing in on our heels and going to give us the old One-Two...right in the kisser!

 

Then I realized I was totally wrong to even reply to this fellow.

 

I apologize AR'rs for even engaging with the likes of this, person. 

 

It's now quite obvious to me that this person's ONLY purpose is to attack and insight ruckus, certainly NOT to engage in any level constructive conversation.   From the very first post, the attacks and his intent were blatant...and I apologize for engaging this guys rhetoric. 

 

And yes, Carolyn, you have my permission to take me out behind the barn and tar and feather me for doing so...I wasn't thinking...must have missed my medication or something!

 

As I mentioned before, I personally believe that there is room for other real estate type services, including flat rate, limited service, full service, including the chauffeured limousine and luxury helicopter-hopping level service that I have seen in my area.   In my years, I have seen flat rate realtors, limited service realtors, help u sell, by owner, zip, zap and the rest of them come and go...and many remain. 

 

I've found that there is room for all.  The clientele that I work with seem to work with me because they want me specifically, and not the name of my company or any other enticement.  Former clients and companies who know me, refer the majority of the folks that I work with during the past many years. 

 

I personally don't feel my real estate business is threatened by flat rate realty, or any other agent or company.  My clients want to work with me because they specifically want me, it's personal.  Just like the folks what want some other Realtor, want that specific Realtor to represent them, and not me.  Although I have found this business to be based on what is personal, you can't take it personally when someone chooses another Realtor or company to work with...for a plethora of reasons.  Folks that want flat rate realty will work with them...and if that is their choice, they should, they have my blessing. 

 

I've seen a heck of a lot of companies come and go, and we do work within an industry where they have a multitude of business models for consumers to choose from, which is, in my opinion, a good thing.   My personal feelings are that that is precisely what consumers do...they choose...as they always have.     

 

I'd be willing to bet that most of these folks at flat rate realty are decent folks too...and I wish them success in their endeavor...like I said, there is room for all models of business.  I've never felt threatened by the folks at Help-U-Sell or By Owner...or whatever they are called.  They have been around for several years and I have seen them grow.  These other companies are simply a different business model; I like it that the public has choices! 

 

What I don't like is when someone tries to demand that I do something, or that I must change my business model.  I got carried away for a moment, sorry about that.  I realize that this person has no control or influence in my life or my business...but for a second, I felt personally threatened by this guy telling me to do this and that and to change.  I never let old Grandpa tell me to do anything or to change anything, I'm sure not going to stand for some flat rate stranger telling me!  I think a lot of the women here will understand that, and if not, that's okay too!  I took it personally...and I shouldn't have, dadburn me!

 

I remember an old saying about Different strokes for different folks...and there IS a reason why Baskin-Robbins 31 Flavors is successful...they offer more than one flavor! 

 

Again, I apologize to all my decent Active Rain Blogger Friends for engaging with that fellow in the first place.

 

As a wise AR friend mentioned to me offline, if you get in the mud with pigs, you always lose because pigs LOVE rolling around in the mud. 

 

Broker-Granny...It's a beautiful day here at the beach, slightly sandy, but entirely mud free!

 

www.ActiveSunshine.com

3:09pm • #44
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Thanks for all of the replies.  Let's all agree to disagree on our business models.  If something works for you and your clients, fantastic.  I will never bash your concept.  We are all here to help each other grow and build relationships along the way.  Let's continue to keep building relationships, one of the main goals of AR. 

4:05pm • #45
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It is amazing how many of us are threatened by the discount agents.  I am not one of them, but I am glad they are around.  They actuall help me with my business!  I will elaborate later in a blog when I get a chance because it could take a while.  But, bottom line is, if I can't show them why I deserve a full commision, then they should go to a discount agent.

5:11pm • #46
106,117 Points

Someone please tell that guy that hijacking a blog and spamming with comments does not add to credibility.

5:21pm • #47

Ok everyone it is amazing that none of you is willing to break from "OLD SCHOOL WAYS" It is also amazing how you bash and want to linch a different concept....and how none of you have answered any of the questions in earlier posts,,,, yet still more amazing that you all think that you know so much more than the consumer...........READ ALL OF YOUR POST's and LET ME KNOW WHAT THECONSUMER WILL THINK WHEN THEY SEE IT???????????????????????????????????GROW UP!

Flat Rate Realty
6:10pm • #49

Tim, thanks for yur kind and respectful thoughts....you are a true professional!

Flat Rate Realty
6:18pm • #50
133,639 Points 2 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp

Tim,

 

I agree with you and if you read what I wrote, I am happy that we have discount agents.  The more, the better.

6:21pm • #51

Margaret, I did not hijack any blog........you all just tore into the flat rate real estate concept like sharks.....

Flat Rate Realty
6:30pm • #52
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As a segue, did all enjoy Shark Week this week???

6:53pm • #53

Jirius, look what I pulled off your website....

OPTION B: HIRE US TO DO ONLY WHAT YOU NEED DONE.

We have the expertise to do any of the tasks related to selling your home and you can pay us just to do those tasks on a Fee-For-Service-Basis. If you decide later that you want to go for the traditional commission deal, you will be credited for what you have already spent at closing. Also, you will never have to pay on a fee-for-service basis more than a traditional commission basis would have cost.

 

Or did you just forget what was on your website....?????

Flat Rate Realty
7:16pm • #54

Jirius, here is the whole page straight from your website..........your welcome and I thank you! WOW A C21 agent offering fe based or flat rate options..............................

 

We offer fee-based alternatives that give you cutting-edge tools to market your home on a fee basis… without paying a commission!

When you’re selling your home, it seems like you either have to do a full listing with an agent or do all the work on your own. How about some other choices that still give you cutting-edge quality without limiting you to a package that you may not want.

Your Unique!

OPTION A: I MAY ALREADY HAVE A BUYER FOR YOU!

Our lightning fast property searching, great web presence, and Buyer Representation generates a large pool of pre-approved under contract buyers. If one of these buyers wants to purchase your home, we can put the deal together for a low 3% facilitation fee.


OPTION B: HIRE US TO DO ONLY WHAT YOU NEED DONE.

We have the expertise to do any of the tasks related to selling your home and you can pay us just to do those tasks on a Fee-For-Service-Basis. If you decide later that you want to go for the traditional commission deal, you will be credited for what you have already spent at closing. Also, you will never have to pay on a fee-for-service basis more than a traditional commission basis would have cost.


OPTION C: TRADITIONAL COMMISSION

Check this option out if you want the best deal on cutting-edge services.

Century 21 Real Estate Center Site Directory

Flat Rate Realty
7:23pm • #55
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Flat Rate Realty,

 

Of course I know what is on my site.  I have been doing that for 10 years before most people knew what it was.  I do it aon about 20% of my listings and the rates are pretty high.  I am still not a discount agent and I never give back any of my commission to my buyers because I can justify my rates.  I consider Zip Realty and RedFin discount companies.  And, again, I have nothing against them or anyone.

8:14pm • #56
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FOLKS, I HAVE TO SHUT THIS PUPPY DOWN AS IT HAS GOTTEN OUT OF HAND.  AS RODNEY KING ONCE SAID "CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?"

8:19pm • #57
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Tim: 

I live at the beach here in Sunny Southern California, every day is Shark day for me...sort of.

Mostly today it has been dolphins frolicking in the surf, we've had three of them visit the beachfront today for about a half hour, we think they must have found some good fish to munch on close to the surf during high tide, they let you get very close, not afraid of people one bit.

We saw no sharks in the surf today...or on TV...didn't know it was Shark Week...saw it before though, VERY interesting, they aren't so bad after all.

Broker Granny...who just happens to be more fond of the dolphins than sharks!

www.ActiveSunshine.com

8:23pm • #58
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14
2009
155,216 Points 3 Featured Posts Outside Blog

This is a great topic and I love all the "come back" lines "the coaches" teach e.g. 'If I'm so quick to give up my money, how fast will I give away yours?' Or something like that.

The bottom line, to me, is to apply good, reasonable business sense. This is a business afterall. When I owned a traditional retail/wholesale business I always impressed upon my employees for the need to hold a certain gross profit margin for the health of the business. We would looked at each sale and each item's GP. But, like all stats we're dealing overall with averages. I had to spend some time explaining that at the end of the day we dollars to the bank and not percentages. So in addition to the GP on each sale with looked at the gross dollars. Do math, make the deposit, move on.

Lesson, do what you need to do to put dollars in the bank and work toward your overall goals every step of the way.

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