Anybody who knows me will know that I ask that question a lot when it comes to getting borrowers approved for loans.  The second C of underwriting, capacity, from the Three C's of Underwriting, is fast overtaking the first C, credit, as the preeminent qualification for mortgage approvals.  Here's the reason why:

Stated Income loans, once a favorite of the self-employed and commissioned borrowers have been frightfuly abused in the past 3-4 years.  It used to be that these loans required above average credit and a loan-to-value of no greater than 80% (meaning 20% downpayment).  Wall Street, in its infinite hunger for yield, started offering to securitize loans for high credit borrowers.  Mortgage bankers appeased them and thus, the birth of "exotic loans".

It used to be that a borrower "stated" her monthly income to reflect what she makes today as opposed to tracking a two year payment history.  It worked well when she was starting to "break out of the box" in terms of income earnings but didn't want to wait two years to buy a home.  Today, stated income loans have become "liar loans".  Some of you may remember my ability to fund loans two years ago with just about anything "stated" on the application; frankly, that era in the business made me ill.

Today, the questions from borrowers are, "Can I get approved" rather than "Can I afford it?"   I have taken the loan application proces a bit farther with these borrowers by asking them, "OK, how are you really going to make the payment?"  Sometimes, they have a girlfriend/spouse/roomate who will be contributing but doesn't want to be on the loan.  That makes good sense.  Let me give you a good and bad example of this phenomenon:

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23 Comments on But can they afford it?

OCT
02
2006
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I agree with you Brian. I love that you have such ethics.  SO WONDERFUL. 

I have one question...

How do you get around the discrimination claim?? If you do it for one but not the other... and both "technically" qualify, can you get in trouble?  Do you make the decision? OR do you let the underwriter decide?

5:54pm • #1
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Sometimes people need a slap along side the head with a baseball bat.  What are they thinking? 

Taking out a loan is serious business, it's a commitment that continues whether you can afford it or not.

I'm glad you are lending the Colorado guy any money. We have enough non-performing mortgages here already. 

5:59pm • #2
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Excellent points, Brian. We aren't serving the client if we're setting them up for foreclosure or bankruptcy.
6:03pm • #3
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First, I want to applaud you for having ethics and actually caring whether someone can afford their home or not.

With that said, would you advise the first guy to purchase a multi-family for help with the mortgage payments?

Second question, what if purchasing a home would potentially allow the family income to go up? An example is someone who has a stay-at-home mother and the father is the sole earner. They live in an apartment. If they purchase a home with a yard and near a school the mom can open a home day care thereby adding to the family income. To me this would make sense to purchase what seems like something they can't afford.

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The applause is deafening! Common sense lending philosophies and practice have been much needed in the mortgage lending field these past few years. Thanks for a star blog.

6:27pm • #5
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Wouldn't you advise the first guy to purchase a lower price home? Or is the six month full time the actual deal breaker?
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Thanks for a great post - so good to hear from ethical loan officers who care about what they are doing, and using common sense.
6:46pm • #7
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Brian, another excellent post. Keep them coming!

There is nothing more uncommon than common sense.

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I love the fact that I can put a post problem up and people jump on it; it's privileged to be around smart people.

1- Sara, good point on the discriminiation.  It's basically a Dutch Uncle talk with the borrower before they proceeed with the deal.  I'll put any package in front of an underwriter; I just won't fight hard for a deal that doesn't make sense.

2- Crystal, the first guy would be perfect for multi-family; why didn't I think of that?  It looks like I have another loan now. 

 

7:24pm • #9
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Brian,

I like the answer you gave.  It's a similar answer that I give when someone wants to buy a 2nd home.  I always get uneasy when I think someone is taking on more than they can handle.  At the end of the day, it isn't for me to decide.  The onus falls on the lender.  Sorry!

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I have said no before and I have gotten the realtor upset.  It is okay though because I rather be happy and able to go to sleep with a healthy mind then go to bed money happy feeling guilty.  Keep doing good business because its worth it.
10:48pm • #11
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Lets see-he filed BK a year ago and has been selling cars for one month and made $10,000.  Who is he going to sell to next month since all his friends and family have already bought a car from him?  Neither one really qualifies, but once you tell them that and why they go to the next lender and hold back some of the things they told you.
11:09pm • #12
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Thanks for being one of the few that are not pushing people into home ownership for the sake of making your commission...thanks for actually looking out for your clients and for representing this industry with professionalism and compassion!

11:15pm • #13
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Brian,  I wanted to let you know that I was in my wife's progile when I commented on your blog.  So don't blame Marguerite for my comments.  She's not as funny as me.

11:16pm • #14
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03
2006
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No worries, Joseph.  The client is making $10K a month, consistently for the past year.  I can't out him on the loan because of his BK but I can feel good about a tated loan for his wife; there is money coming into the household on a consistent basis.
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Hey Brian,

Good blog. This is so true. Both of us commented on another AR blog on Saturday morning in respects to her loan question and I told her the same thing  :)

Scott

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... But I need a sale!!! LoL - I wish there were more loan guys like you. Great post!
3:08am • #17
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You know it s is refreshing to hear a lender saying what you've just stated.  Why throw fuel on a burning house fire by giving folks a loan for something that they want as oppossed to what they need and can afford.  I have shot myself in the foot ... so to speak when working with buyers by simply telling them they were wasting their and my time by looking in a range that they weren't qualified for.  WHen that happened I've left them on good terms only to run into them a few weeks later being shown around by another "Professional" who likes to drive a taxi service... Nothing has changed except they found someone who would waste their time showing properties that the potential sale hasn't be qualified for  or could only be qualified on by obtaining a State Loan...

So good for you for telling folks NO!

6:18am • #18
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Michael,

This is a dilemma we as Realtors all face. If people are determined to buy, they will find someone who will make that happen. Isn't it our repsponsibility to help them search out all avenues, including state loans, no matter how time consuming?

6:35am • #19
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It's just the way it is this days.  People don't care about buying more house than they can afford.  Like most places, here in GA, we can get people approved for anything.  It's like those car commercials say, "No Credit, No Money, No Problem"  Everybody Drives!  LOL
7:43am • #20
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04
2006
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I have used stated and easy doc programs for all of my personal loans over that last few years, but I have great credit. Also I actually make the money, just never have the time to pull all of the docs.
1:12am • #21

Grea post Brian.  You have to use common sense in dealing with Stated Income loans otherwise use No Ratio loans.  I always ask myself is this a good loan and are the borrowers going to make the monthly payments.  Also, I am running into this same scenario when some people refinance for debt consolidation or lower monthly payments.  If we refinance them they putting off the inevitable of foreclosure or bankruptcy & I advise them to sell their home & rent.  As a mortgage professional, you must carefully analyze what is best for your client.

10:47am • #22
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07
2007

if things look bad i explain this to the client but if theyt are really gung ho about it tjhey will just go to someone else

 

keep that in mind guys

 

DOMINICK GACCINO

First Suffolk Mortgage Corp

 

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