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HealthCare Bill an Undercover Attempt to Bury Our Constitutional Rights

Have you read you read it???

I want to thank a local Sun City resident Don Maresca, who took the time to write a letter to the editor which appeared in yesterday's Bluffton Today. He encouraged us to READ THE BILL. He pointed out sections that are worth looking into, to understand what's really going on. I've posted the pages below.

We hear a lot of opinions from pundits and proponents on both sides. Windbags who deal in opinions and not facts, attempt to sway the public into accepting a bill, which on the surface, sounds good--namely, it is supposed to take care of those who have no medical coverage. (The minority)

When you dig into the bill, you'll begin to see that it takes away our freedom to make our own choices, and places decision-making into the hands of bureaucrats-- In short, it takes away fundamental liberties.

This bill is not a healtcare plan. It is a plan to save money and to intrude on our lives. This is a "Robin Hood Bill". It takes away from those who have health insurance (The majority) and redistributes taxpayer dollars in ways too complicated for so many of us to clearly understand--to make sure the minority is covered. It holds the promise to dilute the quality of healthcare and add trillions to the deficit.

Most Americans are becoming more aware of all of this. And, they are making their opposition known at town hall meetings. (The press paints them as rebels--right wing plants whose job is to disrupt these meetings--this is total press distortion.) The "quiet townhall meetings don't get covered,

The truth is that our lawmakers have demonstrated that they have a tough time answering questions about the bill--maybe--because--they--haven't-- read-- it! They look and sound like fools--this goes for both sides, Republican and Democrat. Our lawmakers operate on the principle that they know what's best for us. Even if you and I object--it doesn't seem to matter.

P.S. Ever spend hours in an emergency room and watch the folks who don't have insurance , get attention for their runny nose?

We are not a nation of cruel, heartless people. Our healthcare system is not filled with greedy doctors and uncaring nurses. We care about people. And, people will ultimate get what they need from a nation which is unrivaled in it's generosity AROUND THE WORLD!

Here is the link to the bill:

http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf

Here are the pages to read (scan)

22,29,30,42,50,58,59,65,84,85,91,95,102,124,126,127,145,149,150, 170,176

,195,203,229,241,253,268,272,280,298,317,318,321,335,341,354,379,425,

427,429,469,472,489,494,495,496,497,498.

The bill is not easy to understand because it is written in legal, governmental gobbledygook--but, scan the pages--you'll begin to see that this bill is an assault on your rights and your freedom.

If you do read the bill, you'll also understand why one John Conyers made his statement about needing a lawyer to interpret it. You will also understand why it pains our law makers to read this crap.

(How is the average American suppose to understand this stuff, if you can't Mr. Conyers?)

After you're done reading, if your head doesn't explode first, take three aspirins.

Then ask yourself--"Is this what I want for myself and for future generations?"

Posted by John March, Broker/Realtor Home Buyer & Investor Services on 08/14/2009 07:45 AM

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32 Comments on HealthCare Bill an Undercover Attempt to Bury Our Constitutional Rights

AUG

John, the whole things is a cloak and dagger scheme....they have the cloak and we get the dagger. The plan is being revealed for what it is and all sides are mad......

John - many of those in congress don't understand the bill either, relying on the interpretation of aides and interns. However, I do believe that there are those that do understand and are purposefully obfuscating because they know that if we realized they know what it means, we will not want it.

Eward, I think the public is finally waking up.

Mike, you mean the "inmates are running the jail?" Scary, isn't it? Is it any wonder that people don't trust ploiticians?

John,

It is time to stand up and take back our government. 2010 midterms coming up:)

John,

Thank you for this excellent post!!

My favorite part.

"We are not a nation of cruel, heartless people. Our healthcare system is not filled with greedy doctors and uncaring nurses. We care about people. And, people will ultimate get what they need from a nation which is unrivaled in it's generosity AROUND THE WORLD!"

The debate that is happening is a great thing because many of us needed to step outside and face what has been slowing happening to our Great Nation. And there is fault on all side of the political spectrum. It is time for citizens to take responsibility also for those we have continually elected without bothering to find out what they were actually doing in Washington.

The sleeping Giant has awaken!! I pray it is not to late.

Blessing are abundant!!

Alice

Congress seems so excited about creating 1000 page bills and then cramming them down Americans throats. Enough is enough. You could fix the whole system with just a few big changes if you kept the politicians and special interests out of it.

John, why do you not understand, those runny noses in the ER are costing YOU money? And why do you keep saying this is THE health care bill. It is NOT. Negotiations are not over yet. But if your party does not get on board and help facilitate real debate in congress on this issue, the Democrats will use reconciliation, the same way the last president used reconciliation, and pass the bill. THEN you will really have something to bitch about. Until then, your speculation on what the bill will and will not contain is just a waste of your time. Bury our Constitution? Yeah when pigs fly.

Mike Frazier, I am with you...I think these guys are shooting themselves in the foot. Hope they keep shooting.

Alice, thanks for your comment. I don't think it's too late. The Prez is losing. Polls show it. The politicians are getting the message. If they don't they will be history in 2010.

Rob, the big thing that needs fixing is the corruption in our government. Why is it that the democrats want to "cram this down our throats?" Who is paying off who? We have the likes of Dodd, Rangle, Murtha and others all under investigation. We need to clean house.

Terry, you never disappoint. So let me ask you--did you read one page out of all of the pages that I posted? MY party? which one is that? I am neither republican nor democrat-- I am for what's right. The democrats are the ones who are the little dictators doing the bidding of the big dictator. Do you know who Nancy Pelosi is? Do you know who Harry Reid is? Have you heard them speak? Do they sound like they are open to anything other than what they want when they want it?

"the Obama program is projected to cost between $1 trillion and $1.5 trillion during the first ten years of operation. That works out to an average annual cost of $100 billion to $150 billion, or somewhere between $274 million and $411 million a day" ( National Review)

So, Terry I am delighted to pay for runny noses. And, Pigs DO fly.

Terry, You are talking about the same non bill the president wanted passed before congress went on break, correct?

John - Good post.

I have one objection to what you wrote though. You said,

"This bill is not a healtcare plan. It is a plan to save money and to intrude on our lives." (Emphasis mine - D)

As you kind of pointed out a bit later, this plan DOES NOT SAVE MONEY, but spends even MORE than what we're currently spending.

They say the goal is to reduce costs and improve access to insurance. But the proposed bills increase costs and will eventually minimize, if not eliminate, choice of insurance. Originally many were saying one of the goals was to improve access to healthcare, but that has largely gone by the wayside since so many pointed out that EVERYONE has access to healthcare - through emergency rooms if no other way.

There are a few things that could be done to truly reduce the cost of our healthcare, reduce the cost of insurance, and improve access to insurance.

1) Reign in malpractice lawsuits. Regulate more stringently the limits on awards.

2) Reign in bad doctors. I've read that in each specialty there really are only a relatively few Drs who account for the vast majority of claims. Those few are most often multi-repeat offenders. Since the AMA and Medical Boards are more focused on protecting patients than on disciplining Drs, something should be done to force the issue. Maybe a "three strikes, you're out" kind of law. If they're found guilty of minor infractions, the third time, they lose their license permanently. If their found guilty of a major infraction, they immediately lose their license permanently.

3) Create incentives for good health and keeping one's own costs down. Either reward healthy living/lifestyle or "punish" unhealthy behaviors. (Maybe a "Fat tax" based on BMI. Or a (graduated?) bonus for getting/keeping your BMI within a healthy range.)

4) Open up competition for private insurers across state lines.

Combined, the first three would drastically drop costs. The fourth one would both improve access and, through real competition, reduce the cost of insurance. And none of these puts the Government in control of healthcare.

What the proposed bills are, are really HealthControl Bills.

AUG

David, Thank you for taking the time to write such a thoughtfull comment. Wonderful solutions. You should post your comment as an individual post, because it is constructive and adds value to the discussion.

Obama has set up a “fact check” section on the White House site to supposedly provide Americans with accurate information about his socialist plans, but it is filled with falsehoods and omissions.

The site, claims that if you like your health care, you can keep it. This is false. Both the Associated Press and ABC News have debunked this claim. The Lewin Group conducted a studyestimating that 114 million Americans may be forced out of their insurance plans, including 106 million who have employer-provided health care. The House health care bill states that after a 5-year grace period, insurance offerings will need federal approval for what is considered an “acceptable health plan.” If an employer doesn’t have an acceptable plan, they can be fined or banned from enrolling new employees in the program. This could force millions off their company plans into a government-run program.

Reported by Traditional Values--more fact-check info on this site:

http://www.traditionalvalues.org/modules.php?sid=3723

AUG

John, I found some line by line references on the issue of end of life counseling. Of course those who say we make too much of it claim it is already in place. I'd like to know where I can reference their source material.

"Page 425 Lines 4-12: Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life patients.
-Page 425 Lines 17-19: Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney. Mandatory!
-Page 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3: Govt provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death. (assisted suicide)
-Page 427 Lines 15-24: Govt mandates program for orders for end of life. The Govt has a say in how your life ends.
-Page 429 Lines 1-9: An "advanced care planning consultant" will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates.
-Page 429 Lines 10-12: "advanced care consultation" may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOVT!
-Page 429 Lines 13-25: The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.
-Page 430 Lines 11-15: The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life!"

I found an interesting article from which I gleaned the above reference. http://theblueboar.blogspot.com/2009/08/my-take-on-health-care-bill-some-of.html

The proposed legislation will be cost cutting by controlling services to the elderly. One such cut will be electric wheel chairs. How many of the proponents for this legislation have spent even one day as a crippled elderly individual trying to push themselves by the power of their own arms and hands?

Terry, You always write a lot but contribute nothing. If you want to join the adults in an intellectual discussion act like one.

Leave it to you to use runny noses as an example. "Snot", the best way to join the debate.

Correction Terry,the Democratic party, of which I am a member does not want any interference with their agenda. Nancy Pelosi called dissenters Un-American. I'm one of the dissenters.

Gee, I don't remember being named called by anyone when we protested the acts of George Bush.

Tell me one time the Republican party called you Un-American! SUPPLY A LINK! not more babble.

Hey Bonnie, that's excellent info. As you may have heard, Obama might be willing to change his position on the public option:

"President Barack Obama's health secretary is suggesting the White House is ready to accept nonprofit insurance cooperatives instead of a government-run public option in a health overhaul plan." (associated press)

John Murtha says it is unlikely that any HealthCare-Insurance bill will pass this year. So, there is lots of hope that this whole thing will fade away or at turn out to be a mere shadow of what it once was.

John, Good post and some really good comments. As to whatever bill is adopted, I do hope our representatives and the president read it before it is shoved down our throats. Come 2010, this will not be forgotten. The poor behaviour, name calling and disdain directed at the American people who were against this current bill will be brought up during the elections. I do hope to see a lot of crooks lawmakers removed from office.

John, I agree with need to look at the insurance industry and find some way to reform it short of going into competition with it.

If the government wants to provide services for the uninsured let them provide free clinics. Medicade now provides insurance for the disabled and financially disadvantaged.

The insurance industry should be regulated on a national level instead of state by state the way it is now.

The government can amend Cobra and extend it. Obama is already contributing 65% of the cost of Cobra to the unemployed. The 65% of the cost equates to the employers share. In essence the unemployed person would be paying the same.

Yes they have reduced income. Even on unemployment you can still earn a certain amount of money without being penalized. They can find a way to pay it if they want.

Many of the people included in the 45 million number are young people who by choice do not have insurance. That comprises 10-15 million. There is a segment who are working Americans who can afford health care but chose not to buy it. Another group lumped in are 10 million uninsured illegal aliens. There is another group of millions who qualify for government programs but for some reason have not or will not apply. The actual number of uninsured left breaks down to about 5 or 10 million people.

Here is the article I referred to. I have also seen the same break down on the infamous Glen Beck show.

http://donpolson.blogspot.com/2009/06/fallacy-of-45-million-uninsured.html

John - in reference to the newly-proposed co-ops...

What I've seen suggests having the government spend several billion $$$ to start the non-profit co-ops.

My question with regard to this is: What's up with this administration's obsession with spending money it doesn't have on programs that aren't needed or largely wanted? (Well over 50% of the population LIKES the healthcare and insurance they have.)

Here's how a common ordinary (Whole Foods) worker's medical care works out under the John Mackey plan... a plan that has inspired much venom and a new boycott effort. Personally, I rather like what he says, and I like how it works for his employees. I'd be willing to support something like this.

David, That plan does not look bad at all. The employer is picking up the entire cost of the premium. Then the$1400 deductible does not look so horrible. The $4200 a year seems a little steep if it was just a couple.

AUG

Bonnie, I gotta tell ya, this is info that needs to get out--we are being lied to, simple as that

from the blog post you cited I post the news release from the Heritage Foundation-- http://www.heritage.org/Press/NewsReleases/nr082807a.cfm

David, great question. The reason they are anxious to spend money it doesn't have to that aren't largely wanted has to do with special interest groups who lobby for their own gain, not the well-being of the populous and because they pay off the politicians either with money or votes.

Bonnie - Did you notice that the employer is also contributing $1800 to a Health Savings Account? That means, if I'm not mistaken, that they're essentially covering the $1400 deductible plus an extra $400. So, the employee won't personally dip into their own paycheck more than $3800 - and that's only if they have medical expenses exceeding $3400 in their first year. (The first $1400 (deductible) plus 20% of the next $2000. After that, their out-of-paycheck medical costs go to zero.) If they can keep their first year medical costs below $3800, the left over money in the HSA accumulates, giving them even more "breathing room."

I think this in an ingenious way to incentivize people to keep their medical costs down. They're participating in paying for it, but there are excellent protections against catastrophic expenses.

Dave, I did see the $1800 employer contribution. The roll over did not sink into my brain. I see that now.

SEP

Boy its funny how people can make it sound so bad! Health care should be for everybody, whether they can afford it or not. the illegal alien part, no. definately not. Look at Canada, they have full rights to everything, they still vote and have every say we have on who gets elected and what bills pass. It would be the same here. The world will not end, we will not transform to communism. The only people that will see a big change in their bank accounts are the CEO's of all these insurance companies. Lifes a B&^%! more people will live and some wont be as rich, get over it!

Yup look at Canada. Take a look at their income tax structure plus they pay a 9% VAT tax. About 50% of their income is taxed. Good idea. We should make health care free for everyone so we can be taxed for that, taxed for cap and trade, taxed on foods that are not healthy and on and on and on.

Boy it's funny how people compare apples to oranges and come up with what they think is a viable position.

Steven, I guess you haven't heard the horror stories from Canada--Canadians come here when they have serious problems. Also, this is yet another attempt of the govt to take away our freedom, create more bureaucracy and pile on a ton to a growing deficit...it sounds too good to be as good as it sounds.

Bonnie, I watched the speech last nite on facebook and also watched the comments--mostly from Obama supporters-- Ignorance is bliss and a steady diet of CNN will do that to folks.

John, Joe Wilson is right. Did you see the Reuters article tonight? They said Obama mislead Americans. There is health care for illegal aliens.

http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS201604+10-Sep-2009+PRN20090910

Did you see the latest clip of Acorn in Baltimore MD?

Last Man Out - Please Bring The Flag!

Bonnie, the Acorn sting--I know about it, didn't see the video. And yes, I know that illegals get healthcare now-so, how would it change under the "Obama Plan with no specifics"

Obama is going to be out pouding his chest on this thing and I hope we all continue to drive home the point that we don't want this.

John, This is do or die for this administration. It is wrong. The associations he has made and kept are more than troubling.

SEP

Actually I am Canadian, and American, I work for One of the biggest aerospace companies in Phoenix AZ and had what I thought was "AMAZING" insurance. That was until I needed surgery for a torn rotator cuff. My doctor "highly" recommended the surgery, My insurance company responded by requesting another evaluation by one of their doctors. Of coarse it was deemed unnecessary. My shoulder was so bad Icouldn't lift my arm. What choice did I have? SO I went to Canada. Within a week I went to a doctor and was immediately scheduled for surgery. This was a couple of years ago now. But it really opened my eyes to "quality" and "affordable" health care. BULL! I have the same story as so many other people, unfortunately not all are as fortunate as to be able to go to Canada for "real" coverage. SO would I pay "50%" ? YES. Better to pay a few extra dollars, than pay any and not get anything back when you really need it. And by the way, my brother who is a Neural surgeon up in Canada pays about 55% of his wages to taxes, that is a $300,000 + income bracket, average income of 35k to 70k are closer to 35% tax. I know, I grew up there (and still go there for major medical).

Steven, When I traveled to Ireland and the Uk I questioned what would happen if I became ill. The answer - I would have been given immediate medical care free by the government.

I have a cousin who was visiting in Germany and had a kidney stone. He was treated free.

As an American if I get sick in Canada I will be treated free.

Where is your tax base? The US or Canada? If your tax base is not Canada you were treated free as a courtsey just like I would have been in the UK.

"average income of 35k to 70k are closer to 35% tax."

Because of the exchange rate in currency 70K in Canada translates to less in the US. The average American earnings for a family of 4 is 70K US. In Canada that would be closer to 60K. 35K would be closer to 30K in the US.

In Canada you do not have a Schedule A and cannot deduct home ownership or real estate taxes to arrive at an adjusted income. Your net rate of taxation is higher than 35%. Your VAT is 9%. You cannot compare the tax structure in Canada equally with the United States.

The impact of a 35% across the board tax on the average American household would be huge.

7.65% for FICA, A 35% tax on gross, an average of 5% state tax on gross equals 47.65% Then you add sales tax, use tax, federal excise tax, fuel adjustments to utilities and so on. If you live in South Carolina the sales tax alone is 9%. So the average American household in one of the poorest states would potentially bear 56.65% in tax.

The 70K salary would be reduced to 39,655.00.

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