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A growing number of homeowners around the country are using a foreclosure defense that may help them retain their homes. It’s called “Produce the Note” (as also being jointly advocated by Terry Smiljanich and The Consumer Warning Network) and we want you to know this is not a mere technicality that should be treated lightly by mortgage lenders or by the Courts.

Everyone needs to understand the importance of this issue. When a lender can’t produce the original note, allowing a foreclosure to proceed puts the homeowner at risk of owing that debt again to another party in the future. Therefore, great caution must be taken before a judge can allow someone who can’t produce the original note to cash in on your home.

What if Your Lender CAN’T Produce the Note?

So, what happens when the lender tells the Court it can’t produce the original note, because it is lost? Let’s start with the basics. If a lender wants to foreclose on a property, it has to be able to show that it is, in fact, the appropriate person to whom the money is owed. That right to foreclose belongs ONLY to the person who has legitimate POSSESSION OF THE ORIGINAL NOTE - not a copy, not an electronic entry, but the original note itself with the original signature of the person(s) who allegedly owes the money along with appropriate raised notary seal and signature. So, if you are faced with a foreclosure, you have every right to demand that the person or entity trying to take your property, first prove to the Court that they have the legal right do to so in the first place by proving they have legal possession of the original promissory note.

In my opinion, an original mortgage note is much like legal tender and should be guarded and protected as such by the person holding such an asset. Loosing an original mortgage note is like loosing a $100 bill or a gift card or a lottery ticket. What if I scratched that million dollar ticket and just stuck it somewhere and misplaced it? Do you think I could just show up at lottery headquarters and claim my prize without having the winning ticket? The same principle applies to the person or entity claiming to be the legal holder of an original mortgage note. He who holds the note holds the key.

What the Lender Must Do

What often happens, however, is that the lender claims it doesn’t have the original note, because that note has been lost or destroyed. If the lender is making such a claim, the law requires the lender to prove all of the following under the “Uniform Commercial Code”, which is a set of laws governing commercial transactions that many states have adopted. It contains a specific provision on this subject (Section 3-309) which states that a person can enforce a promissory note without having the original, BUT only under certain limited circumstances.

1. The person or entity has to swear and attest that it no longer has the original note;
2. The person or entity has to prove that it was properly in possession of the note and was entitled to enforce it WHEN it lost possession of the note;
3. The person or entity has to prove it didn’t “lose” possession simply because it transferred the note to someone else (i.e., it’s not really lost); and
4. The person or entity has to prove that it cannot produce the original note because the instrument was destroyed or its whereabouts cannot be determined or it was stolen by someone who had no right to it.

All of these matters have to be definitively proven by the person or entity trying to foreclose on the property. It is not the obligation of the borrower to prove or disprove any of this. The borrower can challenge the right of the person or entity trying to foreclose and demand proof.

The Court’s Important Role

It is up to the Court to determine whether the lender has satisfactorily proven why it no longer can produce the original note. The Court also has to be satisfied that when the original note was lost, the person trying to foreclose on the property had possession of the note at the time it was lost. Until the Court has been satisfied of all of this, the foreclosure cannot proceed.

It is also important for the Court itself to understand that this issue is not merely a “technicality” and the judge should not be satisfied with anything less than full proof of this issue. The Court itself needs to appreciate the fact that if it should agree that an original note has been legitimately lost (and allows the foreclosure to proceed) it is the borrower who is still at risk.

Why? Because incredibly, even if a Court has found that the original note is lost and the foreclosure sale is finalized, if someone later turns up with the original note and proves that it is the proper holder of the note, and not the person who foreclosed on the property, the original borrower is STILL LIABLE.

That’s right. Someone took your home and the Court allowed it because it believed that the lender proved that the note was lost and it was the proper party. Then someone legitimate shows up in the future with the actual note and you still owe that person the money even though your property was taken with the blessing of the Court. Trust me, this is a very serious issue regarding post foreclosures and post pre-foreclosure short-sales. It has happened to three of our own clients! These homeowners had the need to sell their property by means of a negotiated short-sale (so they could avoid a foreclosure) only to find out that the entity claiming to have the legal right and authority to enter into such negotiations and accept such settlements sold their note to another entity and weren’t even aware of it. Several months later, the newly assigned lenders (now claiming to be the rightful owners of our client’s original notes) have since come forward and have also filed suite seeking to recover their entire outstanding principle balances owed to them (prior to the homeowners closing their short-sale transactions with the wrong note holders).

How fair is that?!?! It’s not! And that’s why homeowners need to start fighting back when someone is trying to take their home by foreclosure, especially since an overwhelming percentage of mortgages granted over the last 3 to 5 years have been packaged into securities and re-sold and re-assigned numerous times since the inception of the borrower's original note and mortgage. In some states, homeowners have better than a 50/50 chance of being successful in defending themselves against a completed foreclosure. Why wouldn’t anyone who owns a home do everything in their power to protect and defend it?

All the Best,

Rick D. Misitano, Senior Paralegal
Law Offices of James M. Bosco & Associates
Methuen Executive Park
240 Pleasant Street
Methuen, Massachusetts 01844
Phone: (978) 687-8804
Fax: (978) 687-8872
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120 Comments on What happens when a lender can’t produce the original note?

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2009
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Wow, I couldn't have said it any better. In fact I couldn't have put it that way at all although I have seen this up close. Thanks for the post and we need to spread the word. 

6:48pm • #1
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18
2009

Great post!! I will definitely pass this information along to clients, friends and family.  Thanks for the post.

yvonne long
8:16am • #2
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This is very important information that all sellers/homeowners should be aware of.. and a good reason to have an attorney involved.

8:20am • #3
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... just another reason to confirm why I don't like Short Sales!

8:22am • #4
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This is great. I haven't had this broken down like this. I saw a lady on television that kept doing this. They couldn't produce the note. So she kept filing it. Will pass on to others in my office.

8:22am • #5
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This is incredibly valuable and timely information--thanks for a great post!

8:23am • #6
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Interesting.  What do you recommend Realtors do who are representing someone in a short sale?  How can we ensure that if they still want to proceed with a short sale, that the short sale settlement is being done correctly, with the party that actually owns the note?  I have several clients that don't wish to stay in their home, they just want to do the short sale and be done with it.

8:27am • #7

Amazing and scary that with short sales becoming so prevelent and widely accepted borrowers may still be at risk. Who would the original noteholder go after? The security is gone. What implications does this have for the new buyer/homeowner. Many questions....what a mess.

Great post thank you.... 

8:31am • #8

What happens if they cannot produce the note, ever. Does the homeowner end up with the house paid for? I have heard this happening that people just live in it indefinitely. A guy in Miami has been living in the house free for over 4 years.

8:31am • #9
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Good post and excellent information for those that are trying to defend themselves in foreclosures actions. Unfortunately, many do not have the funds for creative lawyers.

8:34am • #10

Rick,

Thank you SO much for the post. I've heard of this happening before, but hadn't thought about it much lately.  Now, that so many borrowers are losing their homes to foreclosure, they need to really step back and take a look at this.

I'm in the process of listing a house right now, that will probably be a Short Sale. I have received a signed Authorization to Release Information from the seller so I can contact the lenders.  Is this something I should initiate right away? Asking for proof of the original note(s)? I ask, because it is an investment company and not one of the large banks.

Thanks for any additional tips you can pass our way.

Susanna Boyer (Broker - Sellstate Classic Realty - Austin, TX ar
8:35am • #11
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Wow, I wonder whether the courts actually do consider this when faced with a daily slew of foreclosure hearings.  

8:35am • #12

Rick,

Good post.. it brings up some important information..

I have several questions that I hope you can answer.

Please define "successful in defending themselves against a completed foreclosure."

Also what is the percentage of mortgages forclosures that the true "note holder" surfaced later and went after the home owner?

In other words how wide spread is the problem and how successful has defending this been (defining success)?

 

8:39am • #13
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Thank you, that was a great explanation. I understood it was a stall tactic but now I see the full ramifications.

8:40am • #14

To Liane Jamason, I am not an attorney, so I would consult one and ask that question. I would also ask if it is reasonable to make, as a condition in the purchase agreement, that the lender produce the original note at closing. It seems to me that such a provision would take care of the problem, but I would consult an attorney to be sure.

8:42am • #15

I don't know what procedures apply in Massachussets.  But, I do know that whatever they do there doesn't necessarily apply to the way we do things here in Virginia.  Before getting excited about any of this, we need the advice of locally licensed attorneys about the way things need to work right here, where it counts. 

 

8:42am • #16

Wow!!  Thank you for the detail... I will be sharing this with my friends, family,and future clients....

Petra Parker, Associate Broker w/Solid Source Realty
8:42am • #17

I would like to pursue this idea more aggessively since Greater ATL is one of the highest foreclosure areas. What would you actually suggest as my next step? Of course, there are many people out here charging people over $1500 for this valuable info.  I know I would not pay or encourage my clients to pay for something I am not sure about.

Barbara

 

Barbara Allen
8:51am • #18

FYI - Notes are generally not notarized. VA is the only state where I have seen an acknowlegement required on a note.

8:54am • #19
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My understanding is this is being taken care of by the MERS program. (Mortgage Electronic Registration System) in which the Lenders give MERS permission to act as the owner of the note and thereby bypassing the need to switch over ownership of the Note from Lender to Lender.

8:56am • #20

Thanks for the info.  Another print and file post.

 

Eddie Palmer (Century 21 Mountain Lifestyles)
8:57am • #21
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Rick,

 

Because  "Michigan State's Non - Judicial Foreclosure" laws, does the lender need to to produce the note since it was already register by the county in the "register of deeds dept"?   I have heard about the "produce the note argument" but not in Michigan.  But I am not an attorney so it may be happening here with out my knowledge. 

 

Mike Sher, CDPE

8:59am • #22

So following that logic I will contact my attorney TODAY and have them request the original note to my house from the lender. I know the loan was sold many times over the last 20 years that I owned my house. If they can't produce the original note, I will own this house free and clear!

This is simple logic to follow, nothing complicated. No original note, no loan!

A copy of the loan docs is not proof! I have a copy of all the loan docs for all the homes that I've sold, including the notary seal and all signatures. Is that proof that I am the note holder? Obviously not! This is the reason for asking for the original notes with the original signatures!

This really is not state dependent and is not specifically related to real estate. It's simple contract law. If the lender cannot produce the original note, you don't owe the money.

In my opinion, Mortgage Electronic Registration System is an agreement between two entities. Any agreement between two parties cannot supercede the law! I could give you thousands of examples of this, but you get the idea.

9:01am • #23

Great post.  Just to take it one step further, how does a person who is not in foreclosure, but wants to pay off a mortgage protect themselves?  For example, suppose I am on time on my mortgage but I want to pay it off because I am refinancing or selling my house.  The lender sends a pay off statement and when the refinance or sale closes, the mortgage is paid off.  How do I know that the entity that was paid off actually has the note.  What happens if some other entity comes in later and says they actually have the note and go after me for payment.  I guess on a refinance  title insurance cover this.  But if I sold my house, how would I be protected?

 

 

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Paul Warkow
9:02am • #24

Awesome post! I think these banks (servicers) are so screwed up half of them do not even know who owns the note anymore. When my mortgage was taken over by One West Bank after Indymac collasped it took me six months for them to tell me that Deutsche Bank now owned my loan. When I called Deutsche Bank to complain that they had my loan because I was uncomfortable with the fact that they had financed the Nazi's building of the Concentration Camps, they informed me that they were merely the "Trustee" for the investor. I still have not gotton the answer to whom that investor is, but am curious to know if that investor bought my loan from Indymac Bank or One West as they probably bought the loan for 50 cents on the dollar and if that was the case I should have had the right of first refusal as the home owner.

If anyone has any coment on this I would love to hear it.

Hope Pagano

Hpagano@HopeFundingGroup.com

Hope Pagano
9:03am • #25

Good post Counsel.

 

Actually I'll add a little more. The securitization of a mortgage loan is actually not even a loan transaction at all, its a brokered investment and thus in violation of many SEC laws. More importantly its a violation of Truth in Lending laws, because the REAL LENDER was never disclosed to the borrower at the time of the table funded loan.

These notes are not really lost, they are housed with an entity called a Document Custodian, and this entity is part of the chain of ownership that goes into a Securitized Mortgage backed security Trust. The real fraud of it all is when a "lender" like Countrywide or Saxon or Indymac, ARE NOT LENDERS, they are Servicing companies for the Mortgage backed Trusts.

When these entities who never took possession of the NOTE try to sue in court for foreclosure they are almost always running into problems initiating the lawsuit because they lack standing as a matter of law. They are not the party in interest because even if they claim they LOST the Note, they still must prove to the court that they have a lawful right to hold the note. NOTES must be negotiated per UCC laws and they cannot not be assigned like a mortgage at the courthouse.

The pretender lenders are playing games of obsfucation and fraud with the Courts, but the Courts are so backed up and bottlenecked that only a homeowner or attorney with the knowledge can point out the legal arguments. Also, 98% of foreclosures go uncontested, so its worth the Pretender Lender's risk of being caught for fraud, simply because they rarely get challenged by a homeowner.

Challenge everything if you are being foreclosed on! Don't walk away, fight and stay!

FREE AMERICANS deserve a second chance, not cold hearted corporate bankers using Treasury credit lines. Don't let them steal your homes or your clients homes. The mortgage system of the past 8 years has been a complete Ponzi Scheme. Look into on your own time if you don't buy it.

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Martin Macisso
9:04am • #26

While the information in the post may be salient to those states where the Promissory Note is not secured by a Deed of Trust, in WA state, all our notes are considered promises to pay and are secured by Deeds of Trust which entitle the Lender to foreclose based on non-preformance on the note. We are a Lien Theory State. The Lender has a lien on the property which has a non-judicial foreclosure method.  99% of all lenders avail themselves of this process to force foreclose. There is no need to produce the note, simply follow the procedure outlined in the law and you become the owner.

The Deed of Trust is a recorded document. The note is not. That recording of the Deed of Trust is notice to the world that the lender has the legal right to foreclose should the borrower fail to meet the terms of the note. I have heard of the  problem outlined in the post, and even seen commercials on TV where lawyers say such things. They may be true in certain states or under a certain set of circumstances, but not in WA state where the borrower gets the Deed to the property at closing and the Lender gets a promise to pay (Promissory Note) secured by a Deed of Trust, which intrinsically carries the authority and methodology to force foreclosure.

DIck Beeson
9:05am • #27

Rick,

Great post. I am just confused as to how we are able to get the bank to provide us with the original note especially if it's a bank that's half way across the country. When we do a short sale, will the lien holder provide us with the original at time of closing?

I have done a number of short sales and have never seen the original note. I guess my clients and I have been lucky. But luck runs out and I don't want this happening to one of my clients. If you have any clarifacation on getting the original note or proof of original, please let me know.

Thanks,

Neal Harrington
9:06am • #28

We have heard bits and pieces of this before. It is great to hear ' the rest of the story'.

9:10am • #29
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WOW!!  And to those who do short sales, one thing I've started doing here, is asking for the initial title work immediately after the seller accepts the offer, and not waiting until the bank accepts the short payoff.  Why waste weeks, only to discover a cloud on the title? 

9:11am • #30

Rick, Thanks for packaging this home loan issue and why it's important.  Bob and Rebecca, thanks for noting that jurisdictions like Virginia differ from state to state in how they handle promissory notes, deeds of trust, etc., and we're advised to learn what's appropriate in our area.

9:15am • #31

Rick there are so many "simple ways" a consumer can win off these issues, however great post, same as in collection field, won many issues against collections companies.

 

9:15am • #32
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Rick - I have heard of this "Produce the note" suggestion before, and it certainly seems like a good idea.  It makes me wonder however. . .How many foreclosures do we suspect may have gone on with institutions foreclosing on properties that they didn't really have the origial note for.  In the mortgage world of the last decade or longer, these mortgages were swirling around faster than ingredients placed in a blender.

9:18am • #33
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Wow, Rick!

This is an interesting part of the foreclosure process of which I was previously unaware. Thanks for pointing this out!

Dan

9:20am • #34
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This an interesting piece of the law that's not available in all states from what I understand.  Have heard of this when delving into the foreclosure & short sale process.  Make the lender 'step up' and produce the documents to prove their rights.  Excellent post.

9:23am • #35

What about asking the lender, when the note is sold, to produce proof that they are the legitimate lien holder?  My note is sold, and i get a letter from a new company that says to make the payments to them.  They provide no proof.  Can i require proof that they are the owner of the note before i have to make payments to them?

terry shook
9:26am • #36

EVERYONE needs to be aware of this and those that consider themselves professionals should be providing their clients with this information.  Do not accept the Lenders claims as being "good as gold" FIGHT IT.  Require them to prodice the note!

9:28am • #37

CA is also a Lien Theory state, but the underlying Promisory Note must still be produced to verify the true owner of the property who recorded the lien. It may be true that at the time of recording the note was in the posession of the lien holder, but if they can't produce the original note, how can it be enforced?

In CA the lender still has the option for a judicial forclosure, but opt to have a trustee sale because of the obvious speed and lower cost of a trustee sale. In my opinion, the method of foreclosure does not relieve the lender from producing the original note.

9:29am • #38

What an eye opener.  We have had several bank-owned properties listed with us with no transferable title.  It sounds like from your blog is just as bad for the owners as it is for the one who purchases these homes.   This is definitely worth sharing. 

9:29am • #39

So could a homeowner, theoretically, even without being in foreclosure, request the servicer of the loan to produce the Note and if the servicer cannot produce it stop paying the mortgage? 

 

It appears that because only the original of the Note has value of proof, and not a copy, the possessor of the Note will have to hand-carry and show the Note in person to whoever the requestor is, as mailing of a copy would be no proof.  Does this mean that only a judge will have the ability to see the original, in court?

 

Gabe Gross
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Fantastic information.  Thank you for doing that post!

9:40am • #41
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Love having these lawyers on board at Active Rain to explain the "law" to us!  congrats on   feature post! Loved it!

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9:43am • #42

a year or so ago i recall seeing where a judge had issued an order for the bankruptcy trustee to destroy an entire warehouse of records related to  the Ameriquest failure.  i'm going from foggy memory but i think i recall that the records storage was running about $400k a year and they WERE permitted to dispose of them to finalize the bankruptcy.  it might have been simply the corpus of their business records but i'll bet you they destroyed notes as well.

this will assure that the mess we are in protracts another five years...and i got twenty bucks says Obama finds a way for you and i to compensate the lenders (or their successor in interest, Goldman Sachs) who cannot find the notes to prove up  their claims.

 

 

9:43am • #43

I sold dozens of bank owned homes to my buyer clients in the last few years. Does that mean that they are at risk of cancelling the sale and loosing their home because the original owner can reclaim their home? If that happens, what can the new homeowner do about their purchase loan? Would that be cancelled as well, or would they still be on the hook for the loan?

This issue could be like a house of cards. The bottom card collapses, the rest will follow.

I believe most homeowners will never do anything, so this discussion thread is a moot issue.

9:45am • #44
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Rick

Will this work in all state or is this a federal law. I was at a class where this was brought up and they said it would not work in Arizona. Breat point forces the lenders to be responsible.

9:50am • #45
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Great post!  Can the homeowner request the loan servicer to produce the note?  And if they cannot, what happens?

9:52am • #46
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Great post and it reminds me of the defense used in a dog biting case.  

First defense use is WHAT DOG, I DO NOT OWN A DOG. 

In this case, WHAT MORTGAGE, I DID NOT TAKE A MORTGAGE. 

I respect the Legal Profession, however when used as a delay tactic is it in the best interest of everyone? 

Just my .02 

9:53am • #47

Wow, good post.  This is why a borower in trouble should have a qualified attorney conduct a forensic loan audit.

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9:53am • #48

This sounds to me like there is ONLY 50/50 chance that the original borrower will never have to pay the loan back.

That's not good enough, is it? IOW, I have a client attempting to do a loan modification. The amount they owe on the home is far too much to even do a short sale, so if the loan modification doesn't suit them, they are going to foreclose. Their loan, over the past 25 years, has been sold to more banks than they can even count or remember. Chances are, the current bank will NOT be able to produce the original note.

BUT!.........does this all mean that if they can't produce the note and my clients move forward and leave their home......or for that matter, just live in it........SOMEDAY, if the original is found, THEY will be responsible for that note? What if they somehow manage to buy another home........does these mean they will owe TWO banks?

Also, it sounds to me like a court could easily accept that the original note was lost due to it being sold to sundry other lenders and dismiss the lost note as valid.

I guess I just want to know why, Rick, you think it's worth it to persue this when there is only a 50/50 chance. And, say the borrower wins! Isn't it really too risky that sometime down the line, someone could come knocking on their door, wherever they live and demand the money?

Very confusing!

 

 

 

9:57am • #49
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Our brokerage attorney here in Asheville says the banks does not have to produce the ORIGINAL...but that the Firm would  do a "Qualified Written Request" for information. This will force the lender to produce documentation for the loan. I do not know if that would help forestall foreclosure...but I am so interested in this discussion and have reBlogged this post. THX!

10:11am • #50

Very thought provoking!

As a 23+ year commercial-only broker, I have zero residential experience other than buying our own homes and refinancing.  But one thing is certain - the real estate lending business is in shambles at all levels and across all property types. It's nearly impossible to "connect the dots".

I got a chuckle from Peter's comment (#23) and wonder, what if Everyone with a mortgage (in trouble or not) was to request that their lender produce the Original Note?  

Thanks Rick!

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Mike Giles
10:12am • #51

I have been hearing a bit of scuttlebutt about this but had not had time to research it. Thanks for the update as well as the info on what has to be proven if the origionals are not produced.

Janet Winslow
10:14am • #52

Thanks Rick for this great information. I heard bit of it before, but you explained much better.

Rea Wilke

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this is all very interesting and also confusing as well.  I am in WAshington State as well and wonder if the comments by Dick in Washington state as well changes everything as well.  Rick, we need more comments from you here so we can sort this out.  I hope they are forthcoming.  There have been a lot of questions raised from you blog here.

10:35am • #54

There was a big thing on t.v. about this back in January. They mentioned this website. Although I have nothing to do with it, I thought everyone that finds this topic interesting would like to look at this website. It is very informative. Enjoy!

http://www.consumerwarningnetwork.com/2008/06/19/produce-the-note-how-to/

 

10:38am • #55

meWow. Thanks for this priceless information, Rick! Never heard it explained better than you have! I have some research to do on my end!

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Exactly the reason why an attorney experienced in loss mitigation must be involved.  'That right to foreclose belongs ONLY to the person who has legitimate POSSESSION OF THE ORIGINAL NOTE' is information that homeowners in trouble MUST know.  Show me the note!

10:45am • #57
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Excellent article - easily one of the best ever on AR. Great to know the whole story and not just the 10 second headline.  To me this also points up to all Agents the importance of what we are involved in everyday.  The more short sales I get under my belt, the more foreclosures I sell the more confident I get that I have the system all figured out. This article shows clearly that there is much to learn and that none of us should be running around telling clients that we are "experts" in short sale or foreclosure.  There are so many ins and outs on these things that it takes an attorney to be the expert. I prefer to call myself an experienced facilitator.

Thanks again for the great post.

10:49am • #58

Wow...what an eye opener.  Does anyone know of a competent & affordable legal counsel in the metro Phoenix market?   Has anyone heard of a homeowner with a successful case involving this law in Arizona?  What about the RESPA violation theory to have the foreclosure halted?  We're all in this mess together & any advice is greatly appreciated.

Bernadette Davidson 1st USA Realty Phoenix, AZ
11:02am • #59
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Great post!!  How does this work with Title Theory states such as Arizona with mortgages serving as the lien on properties?   Does the trustee demand the original copy of the note prior to the execution of a foreclosure procedure?  I agree with Dick Beeson's comments on this matter and would like to know more. What are homeowner's rights on this particular subject.

Also, in matters of a short sale, are we to demand that a copy of the note from the trustee with an acceptance for full payment stamp be provided to the homeowner so we can close up the loop? 

Unfortunately, because most homeowners who are forced into foreclosure are at the point of emotional and financial ruin, how can they fight back before the trustee takes their property to the courthouse steps?

 

 

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This is great information. I appreciate getting more details from a legal standpoint. After spending many years on the lending side of the business, I can tell you the note should be treated as legal tender, but unfortunately, is just another piece of paper in the sea of paperwork......

11:14am • #61

Good work! This may actually apply to a current client of mine. One question: Does the same rule apply to non-institutional lenders? 

XAvier Lopez
11:15am • #62
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I guess this also adds to the importance of getting Title Insurance if you are buying in this market.

11:19am • #63
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I had heard of this but didn't know if it were fact or fiction.  It's good to get the information from a reliable source, thanks.

Does the same hold true for a seller carryback? 

11:31am • #64

They will never find those notes if these people ever refinanced or say they started with Travelers and GMAC took them over.

 

A mortgae company makes more money on servicing than they do holding the paper. They make money selling the loans.

 

These are the bonds that get traded every Monday on the exchange.

Those original notes could be on a holding barge in hong kong or in storage in Sibera.

They would have to sort through millions of notes to find it.

I feel That is why Obama has the big refinace push. All new loans will have different fine print to cover the banks ass.

 

If you can keep your old loan just in case.

 

Remeber China ownes 80 percent of our banking debt between Mortgaes and credit cards.

They own 80% of us. And Hillary has given them emeniant domain right. If America goes bankrupt China can take their possessions.

 

Gee I often think about debtors prison in England.  They are the first prisioners who founded the oriiginal colonies in America.

 

To let you know you should read what a strawman is and what happens when you get a social security number. You become a piece of stock in America, you are no longer soverign your become a citizen who has totally different rights. Senators and congressman never loose their sovernship.and forgien investors buy and sell us every day. Everything that has your social security number on it is your piece of stock in America doing business with the world.

And you thought there was an end to slavery (O:

 

Currently each American born is valued at $663.000 in tax from cradel to grave. You use to get your ss number at 16 when you went to work. Today they have mothers signing up for one for their child in the hospital.

 

 

 

margaret
11:41am • #65

Wow, great article. I am experienced in short sales and would hate for a lender to try and sue my clients because the lender the thought held the note didn't. How do we protect our clients?

Keena Frye
12:13pm • #66
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Rick,

Hope you got big points for this blog--love the topic.

Spoke to a real estate attorney partner of mine here in Vegas about your post and he said REALTORS BEWARE!!  You mentioned that three of your clients had negotiated short-sales in which the actual NOTE holder showed up and demanded payment in full after the short-sale had gone through and they thought they were free and clear of this debt.  First thing out of my friend's mouth was "I would sue the cr#p out of the Realtors, Title Company, and Attorneys (if applicable) involved."  Granted, Vegas may be a litigious happy town, but his basic point was REALTORS BEWARE (and apparently attorneys as well).  In his eyes, an agent helping to negotiate a Short-sale without knowing 100% that the lender they are working with holds the actual NOTE opens them up to potential problems and lawsuits.  First thing I always do when I negotiate a short-refi for my borrowers is make sure the lender has the original NOTE.  Better safe than sorry.

12:21pm • #67

Good job, Rick.

Everyone should understand that it requires the homeowners to file an answer to the lawsuit if it is in a judicial foreclosure state and during the time alotted for discovery.

It is not just a demand, but a defense and the defendants have certain steps they must go through; thus, they need an attorney to represent them for this to have the maximum effectiveness.

Also, with all of the mergers and takeovers that have occurred recently, we are seeing it happen more often that not only can they not produce the note, they may not be able to prove they are the holders in due course of that note.

Ken Lawson JD

TheLawsonGroup

Ken Lawson JD
12:43pm • #68

Great Information, Bravo....My question is do you know what exactly happens when the lender can not produce the note...will the homeowner gets to keep the house FREE and CLEAR? There is a broker in our area that claims that. She tells her clients if they can not produce the note they will keep the house with NO mortgage,,,What would you say about that. Please let me know

Razmik Bogossian
12:46pm • #69

Ive read about this for a long time. Actually, the info I read told about servicers having to prove that they were LEGALLY ASSIGNED the mortgage, which is a different issue. Anyone have thoughts about that? Without the correct paperwork to assign it, the servicer has no right to do anything at all. If the first lender is out of business, there may be no way to foreclose?

Anyone hear of this or am I climbing the other side of the same tree?

Marvin Von Renchler
2:02pm • #71

Great Information. Thanks for the legal side of it.

Gregory Moe, Olympia, WA
3:18pm • #73
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This is extremely important information.  I'd heard rumors of people being able to forestall foreclosure by asking the lender to produce the note, but I had no idea of all the ramifications.  I'll certainly be passing this info along to my clients. Thanks!

3:19pm • #74

Very interesting. I'm in AZ and gather this won't fly here in the wild west. It would be an important consideration for the simple protection of the person going through forclosure. It's not awful enough to lose your house, but for the "original" deed holder to appear years down the road to reclaim their debt would be double jeapordy!

Thanks for posting.

Julie Heyer
3:26pm • #75
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This very thing occupies a large part of our foreclosure prevention practice... It is also noteworthy that many Judges in these instances do not understand the issue and need to have it explained... not so much any more, but a year or two ago... #&$^%@!

Great post.

3:47pm • #76

 

Disclaimer: The following is the opinion of the writer and may not be construed as advice neither legal nor professional and is limited to the Terms and Condiditions at http://MaverickVisions.com

 

Wow!! .. the real estate sales professional is receiving some insight into the actions of the homeowner/trustor/alleged mortgagor who is now looking down a long barrell from multiple lenders who say they possess the note.

For most of us as consumers we have had to deal with brokers quoting and miss quoting rates, changing programs and adding mi at the closing table and then getting paid a hefty fee and yield spread.

It is time for all homeowners to be aware that there are actions that need to take place immediately after a closing, namely the 'revocation of the power of attorney' and the 'substitution of a new trustee';  this individual or 'co-trustee' needs to be a respected person of the homeowner family, perhaps a childs god-parent [estate planning purposes], or the minister /elder of the church, certainly not your banker nor an attorney, not unless they are retained by the family or are the family trusted friend. May consider a life insurance broker or estate planner professional.

Removal of authority here removes all authority given by the first poa in the title company to the banker, securitization trustee, to the administrator, MERS, and any other entity the poa gets given too, has to be revoked. This means that in future any actions done on the homeowners behalf has to be requested in writing, not given carte-blanche. 

  1. http://livinglies.wordpress.com/foreclosure-defense-forms/discovery/
  2. http://livinglies.wordpress.com/2009/07/30/fabrication-of-documents-mers-gap-illuminated/
  3. http://www.esnips.com/doc/c8ff7984-243e-4b6e-9877-1c4e87894dd7/Karen-Tappert-on-Mortgage-Fraud

          On #3, turn up your volume and listen to what is said by the people.

Some sites for reference, are not the opinion of the writer and may not be used in evidence of producing the response the individual reading this note may desire. E & O E and without prejudice the writer has provided this information.

RoyalMav
3:53pm • #77

I can not imagine a more timely subject.  The information here is well reasoned and researched and right on point for the current economic environment. Thank you for going to the trouble to post this. I will be interested to join your Facebook group and to follow your further postings. 

Thomas McCombs, Charles REal Estate, Akron, Ohio

Tom McCombs
4:00pm • #78

Read this site and you will see how clearly the banks and all involved broker the law. I find it interesting. Make sure you have hours set a side.

I am also aware of investors that are taking out double title insurance when they buy a home in case this happens they have insured their investment to the value they bought it at.

http://livinglies.wordpress.com/

 

 

 

 

 

C Olson
4:32pm • #79
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Thank you for the information. I have a client who is in default for more than 14 months now; he is doing the loan modification to delay the foreclosure process he is asking the lender to show the original note.  I have negotiated several short sales and I think foreclosure and short sale are very complicated and we need to be educated about all legal right of the person who is in the foreclosure process foreclosure. This a great tool for homeowners who are trying to defense the homeownership, against the lenders who are only acting on their best benefit. Homeowner should keep trying everything they can if they are facing foreclosure to keep their home. Thank you for the post

4:33pm • #80

Good Afternoon!

I wish to thank all Active Rain members for their kind words and feedback. It is great to see such dialog and professionalism within this blogging community!

Please be sure to check out my follow-up post to "What happens when a lender can’t produce the original note"? I posted this follow-up this afternoon after receiving such an overwhelming response.

I am a relative newcomer to your community and a novice to the blogging world, but I am glad to see people have taken such an interest in this post and hope that you find my other posts (which I have also published on this site) as useful.

All the Best & Much Success!

Rick D. Misitano, Senior Paralegal

Law Offices of James M. Bosco

4:39pm • #81

Interesting and timely!  We posted an article on <a href="http://sterlpac.com/blog/?p=115">our blog</a> on this subject from a different angle -- we see lots of sources advocating investing in notes and making private loan investments, and new investors may not realize the risks if they service their own loans.  Whether you are real estate borrower or real estate lender ... it's critical to understand this law!

Laurie Morgan
5:06pm • #82

Does anybody know what happens in States with non-judicial foreclosure like GA?

Charlotte Gibbs
5:33pm • #83

Those of you in Arizona that think it can't/won't work here, you're being a little naive. Don't believe everything you hear or learn in a class room because the information you receive is only as good as the instructor giving it. Just like reading a newspaper doesn't make it gospel! I can tell you that if someone teaching a class isn't an Attorney or well qualified para-legal and they are telling you this law does this and that law does that they probably really don't know what they are talking about.

I have more then one Client that has retained legal counsel to pursue this issue. One has been in their home over a year and a half now without the foreclosure going forward. Another one (in the same neighborhood) retained the same Attorney and the "Loan Servicing Company" just put their foreclosure on an indefinite hold until they can produce the "Note". They have now been there 9 months free and the listing just expired, We are talking about Million dollar properties too. (the next big short sale/foreclosure problem here)

The biggest issue coming up is agents doing these "Short Sales" really understanding the ramifications of all the potential things that aren't getting disclosed to potential Clients on both the Seller and Buyer sides. You really need to know what you are doing. Ask for help, bring someone in to help you that has some experience.  If you have no formal training in these types of transactions you are asking for trouble ((one little 2 day class doesn't make you an expert either,but your Client thinks you are )). Paying that hard earned commission back ten times over in 2 or 3 years when you and your Broker get sued isn't worth the risk!

Good Luck out there!  Jim Sexton, BE, Associate Broker, CDPE, CNE, CSP, CRS, CLHMS, CNHS, GRI, GREEN, MRE (Master of Real Estate Society) self proclaimed Education CZAR!

James (Jim) Sexton
6:03pm • #84

wow......this is the first time in my 11 year career that i hear this-----your article is awsome---I will put to practice your article.....thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.

Nicaury Miller, GRI, ABR, PME  Broker/Owener Home Styles Realty

Nicaury Miller
6:52pm • #85

Rick,

Thank you for this information, it is awesome!

I've heard about that before but no one really could explain the reasons or how to go by fighting that with the lender, thank you so much for sharing.

One quick question, a person does need to retain legal services to challenge the lender's foreclosure action? or can they do it by themselves in the court?

Thank you

Carlos Morales

Carlos Morales
8:19pm • #86
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Good Post -

In FLORIDA the law has somewhat evolved from having to prove that you HAD possession (as stated in the old UCC version).  Now you merely have to show as an alleged lender that you had the RIGHT to possess the note, but not actual possession.

The Florida statue says:

673.3091  Enforcement of lost, destroyed, or stolen instrument.--

(1)  A person not in possession of an instrument is entitled to enforce the instrument if:

(a)  The person seeking to enforce the instrument was entitled to enforce the instrument when loss of possession occurred, or has directly or indirectly acquired ownership of the instrument from a person who was entitled to enforce the instrument when loss of possession occurred;

(b)  The loss of possession was not the result of a transfer by the person or a lawful seizure; and

(c)  The person cannot reasonably obtain possession of the instrument because the instrument was destroyed, its whereabouts cannot be determined, or it is in the wrongful possession of an unknown person or a person that cannot be found or is not amenable to service of process.

(2)  A person seeking enforcement of an instrument under subsection (1) must prove the terms of the instrument and the person's right to enforce the instrument. If that proof is made, s. 673.3081 applies to the case as if the person seeking enforcement had produced the instrument. The court may not enter judgment in favor of the person seeking enforcement unless it finds that the person required to pay the instrument is adequately protected against loss that might occur by reason of a claim by another person to enforce the instrument. Adequate protection may be provided by any reasonable means.

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I particuarly like section (2) where the court has to agree that "adequate protection" is afforded the debtor.  Tough to do with so many lenders going out of business!!!!!!!!!!

10:47pm • #87

I have not read all of the replies to this entry but so far everyone and the post itself seems to forget is that the same exact thing can happen in a non-forclosure, non-short sale transaction, the normal transactions that we have been doing for years.  A note holder can sell the note while still claiming the lien at a closing.  So to say that this is one more reason not to do short sales is incorrect. It is one more reason that we should make sure we are doing our jobs.

Second Someone will have to pay for these loans eventually, so it is the owner of the property's responsibility to find the entity that they do owe the money to.  "Freeloading" at the expense of us, the tax payer, is not acceptible. These people signed for the loan and agreed to pay for it.

Ron Rogers, CRS

10:48pm • #88

Charlotte,

In a non-judicial state such as Georgia, the strategy works the same, except the homeonwner needs to initiate a lawsuit in order to force the lender to come up with the note.  I popped the $29 and bought this refernece book and think it's pretty good: 

http://www.consumerlegalinformation.com/produce-the-note-homepage.html

For everyone's information, I have a friend who works at a major loan processing company.  She told me that this strategy almost never works with Countrywide/BofA loans, as they did a good job keeping records.  However, with many of the other major lenders, especially Deutsche Bank, it's a very effective way to go. 

10:51pm • #89
AUG
19
2009
124,162 Points

Really good information.  After I read it I thought, this guy is a lawer

2:10am • #90
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Lawyers Continued Employment Blog

I urge all of you who believe that you will escape paying your mortgage by demanding to see the actual note that YOU SIGNED do so.

Later on, with all of the money that you save from not making your mortgage payments, I have a bridge to sell you. Cash only. Please contact me for wiring instructions.

John Juarez, REALTOR

Windermere Properties of  the East Bay

John@CarlMedford.com

510-673-0686

3:00am • #91
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This is a great post. Now I wonder if my loan, which was sold withing a month, is legal.

Scary stuff.

 

Jerri McCombs

Keller Williams

4:26am • #92

Not sure if this matters, but i see many foreclosure complaints (lis pendens) that have a request to reinstate the lost note. Is this a signal that the note has really been lost, or just the lenders covering their ass?

Also, great post rick, but the word is "losing", not "loosing".

7:59am • #93

This is a growing movement in Florida and deservedly so.  Neil Garfiled has a website that is a great resource for anyone wanting to adopt this strategy.  I have asked several attorney's and economists about this strategy and have them trash the idea.  Funny thing was I could detect a look of fear in their eyes at the mention of this strategy.  It turns out each one I asked either works for a bank or used to.  Hmmm.

Anyone interested in Neil's blog should check it out at:  http://livinglies.wordpress.com/

I know of many homeowners who have been in their homes for 2 or more years with this still not resolved.  The reality is that this is not a way to get your home for free.  Instead, the lender may finally see the light and work on a realistic loan modification in line with current home values.  The banks are benefiting from bailouts and money to lend from Uncle Sam at 0%.  They need to be brought to their knees and made to help the little guy.  They created this mess and they can do their part to help clean it up.  There will be no true help for this economy until this foreclosure crisis is handled in a meaningful way.

Keith Kropp
9:30am • #94
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Having watched this post for a while, I would like to chime in again and will use Keith's comments as a basis of this comment.  

How many people support Keith's (#94) statements?    As a Tax Payer, it is not Uncle Sam's Money it is the money of every taxpayer.  If you agree that it is YOUR MONEY, how do you feel about the people that use this STRATEGY to "BRING YOU TO YOUR KNEES".   As far as "They created this Mess", what responsibility did the borrowers have.   Nothing in this Strategy is about an Criminal Charges that could be against the Lender.  The Strategy appears to acknowledge that money is owed to someone, the only question is who is Legally Entitled to the money.  My reading is that this Strategy can not permanently remove a legitimate debt.  It merely delays the payment and enforceability of the debt.  

Now ask who is promoting this Strategy and ask yourself WHY?   Just follow the money and you will find the answer.  And then listen to the people that say "THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE MONEY"   How often do you really believe that!

10:58am • #95
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WOW...so much information. I guess it wouldn't hurt for someone to at least try it...

4:35pm • #96
AUG
20
2009

Thanks for the very informative and interesting post.  Unfortunately, I don't think this applies to states like California, where we use a deed of trust and non-judicial foreclosure.

1:34am • #97
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Great post!  Before you get too excited about this strategy, be sure to consult with a local experienced real estate attorney, because this strategy does not work the same in all states.  In non-judicial foreclosure states, such as Washington state where I'm located, the foreclosure process doesn't go through the court system and therefore doesn't require approval by a judge.

I have been in situations with my own properties where original promissory notes were lost.  I've worked with notes from private lenders and seller carry-back notes, and these non-institutional lenders sometimes lose the original note.  The seller carrying back a note may scan the orignal note and Deed of Trust into their computer then discard the originals, not realizing that they were supposed to keep them.  When the note is being paid off and the lender cannot produce the original note or Deed of Trust, the escrow company just has them sign and notarize an "Indemnification of Lost Deed of Trust and Original Note", then everything is fine.  I'm not aware of any additional requirements for institutional lenders in similar situations.

2:04pm • #98
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I would like to address a few of the comments I read that asked something like, "If I'm current on my mortgage and I ask my lender to produce the original note and they can't, can I stop making payments and essentially have a free and clear house?"

I work almost exclusively with short sales--people who are unable to make their house payments, cannot qualify for a loan modification, and may be in danger of foreclosure.  Rick's post was made in the context of stopping or delaying a foreclosure, which is a viable strategy in states where that works.

If you borrowed money with the agreement that you would eventually pay off the loan and you're able to make the payments, is it really moral to swindle the lender out of hundreds of thousands of dollars based on a technicality, when you know that you actually owe the money?  You made a promise to pay, and just because it may be to a big faceless lender that you may not like, you still gave your word.  What is your word worth?  In my opinion, you have an obligation to continue paying your mortgage if you have the financial ability.

2:35pm • #99
AUG
22
2009

Interesting concept... maybe since we're the FORECLOSURE CAPITAL of the US the judges just throw this out and allow the process to continue in Las Vegas though.

Jeff Burnham- The WIZARD- Rosen & Co., Las Vegas, NV

10:35am • #100
AUG
23
2009

Rick - Thanks for all the great information and the simple language with which you explained it. I learned a lot reading the post as well as all the comments.

To all who think you live in a state where this doesn't apply you should not dismiss this so quickly - the law still applies it just may be a different process.

3:44pm • #101
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Wow Rick. That is an amazing fact. I didn't realize how serious this could be.

5:22pm • #102
AUG
25
2009
696,986 Points 35 Featured Posts Outside Blog Called Shot Master

Rick - Someone recently told me this information, but I didn't know the details.  Thanks for sharing.

12:26pm • #103
AUG
29
2009

I have asked for the original loan docs from my lender (3rd in 4 years)

 

They could not produce them.  I asked specifically for the originals with the ink on the paper, not a copy on a phone call that was recorded.  The representative told me they would send them to me by a specific date.  I have the name and extension number for that rep.  

 

I received a shrunken down version of my documents.  They were scanned and shrunk to letter size and sent to me.  It looks like it came from an electronic copy otherwise they would have made photocopies on legal size.  Is that a fair assumption?

I am potentially going to be 30 days late on Tuesday the first (on purpose).  Should I let it go late and wait for the forclosure process to begin?  Or tell them on the 31st that they do not have the proper paperwork and I technically own the property outright?  I would assume they would still report it as 30 days late.

Thoughts?

John
4:17pm • #104
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John...

Thoughts???

I think you better seek proper legal advice before you embark on this course of action.

4:45pm • #105

John,

Unless you feel perfectly capable of handling this on your own, I would go to Neil Garfield's blog at http://livinglies.wordpress.com/ and find a consumer lawyer in your state who "get's it" for legal advice.  This is not a way to get your home for free.  Ultimately, you may be able to negotiate a realistic loan modification.  There are too many investors involved in this and you could have several coming after you.  Please don't go it alone.  There are plenty of good, ethical lawyers out there who can help depending on what your goals are.  Good luck to  you.

Keith

Keith Kropp
4:45pm • #106
AUG
30
2009

john you have no right to  the orginal note until you pay it off...the note is the property of the noteholder.  it's their evidence of the debt.  

this is the whole point of this thread...they may or may not have the original, the only way to find out is to get out your checkbook and send in the lawyers.   at best you are entitled to a certified copy.  Hizzonner will review the original if it gets that far.  telling them that they don't have the proper paperwork will be a waste of time.  and the marshal who escorts you to  the curb following the foreclosure will have no interest in your legal theories.

if you are not ready to pay someone to assert the defenses you claim you are going to get flattened.  tread carefully and good luck.

 

11:41am • #107
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Thank you, Michael Ford!

106 coments and you have finally hit the nail on the head.

11:45am • #108

I am ready to pull out the checkbook for lawyers.  I have one.  I feel fairly confident considering my original lenders were Ameriquest (went under, and their warehouse of information was destroyed) and they past it to Citi who went under and past it to my current lender.

I figured it would be a waste to tell them myself that they didn't have the original themselves, but I figured asking couldn't hurt.  Thank you for the advice.

John
4:51pm • #109
AUG
31
2009

It gets better, even if they can produce a note or make an equity claim on the property based on a copy of the note, they must show a complete assignment chain, either though succession or direct assignment by MERS or another entity.  If you think they are having a hard time producing original docs, just see how ,ong it takes to get 5 mortgage assignments loccated when most sub-lenders are gone.

Jim D
3:45pm • #110
SEP
23
2009

My title attorney and I always recommend to buyers that they keep EVERY owner's title insurance policy for EVERY home they own.

If a party shows up after my client sells the house, with a document that clouds the title, you can bet that the present owner's title insurance company will file suit on each party down the chain of title, down to whomever owned the property when the party with the cloud claims injury.

I am not an attorney.

12:05pm • #111
FEB
11
2010
Need Georgia forclosure defense attorney who gets it
Mark
10:51pm • #112
MAY
05
2010

Having gone thru the trials of loan modification for the 5th time with bank are they stalling for my loan modification?

Will they attempt a foreclosure process? And if so asking them to produce the note.. will that help in my endevor to obtain some sort of loan modification.

Navy Vet
3:46pm • #113
MAY
06
2010
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Navy Vet

Typically you can expect two trains on parallel tracks that typically don't communicate with each other. One train is the foreclosure express. The other is the little engine that could (modification or short sale).

Production of the note is in my experience, never on the track to a modification decision.  It all depends on your income and the size of your mortgage. Generally speaking Nothing Else Matters.

6:35pm • #114
APR
05

I live in Texas does this "show me the note" fly in my state,I have a first and second lien,serviced by different companies SPS on the 1st,and litton on the 2nd,do they both have to "show me the note",I am current on both notes , and interested to know if I can not continue to stay current what my options are, I know these notes have both been sold several times, New Century originally had both notes ?

KEN CRABB
4:38pm • #118
JUN
14

I have a mortgage that was with countrywide to begin with and now is being serviced by bank of america. I have contacted my title co and they said it still shows countrywide as having my note. I went to the county and they have countrywide as well and registered by mers. I have sent bank of america the show me the note letter and just received the response. Bank of america stated that "you cite no legal authority that supports your claim that you are entitled to view the original note and we are not aware of the existence of any such authority,BAC home loans respectfully declines this request". I'm quite sure they can not produce the original mortgage. What is the next step to resolve this? Should I quit paying my mortgage? Any help or advice will be most appreciated.

tom munger
10:21am • #119

Get an attorney who specializes in foreclosure defense and start fighting this today!

Keith Kropp
10:51am • #120
JUN
22

I spoke with an attorney and he in formed me that they could foreclose without the original not. He said it depends on the judge. He said the judge will have copies of the note and ask me if I signed them. Some judges will uphold real estate law and some won't. He also asked if I had 20k to fight this. Any advice ewill be appreciated.

tom munger
12:28pm • #121

It sounds like the attorney you consulted with works for the banks.  You need a good foreclosure defense attorney.  Chances are very good that the bank cannot produce the original note, or prove that it was properly transferred.  Why do you think there was such a scandal over the fraudulent documents produced by so many banks resulting in the famous "robo-signing" scandal last fall.  The banks are still trying to figure out how they are going to move forward from this point.  Note the lack of new foreclosures coming on the market.  According to a front page article in the NY Times on Sunday, it will take the State of New York 62 years to process the current backlog of foreclosures.   In states like Florida, where I live, they estimate it will take 10 years.  There are more and more rulings in favor of the homeowner by judges every day.  It will take time, but the tide is turning in favor of justice for the homeowner.  Don't give up.  Find an attorney who specializes in foreclosure defense.  You should be able to get a good referral for one on Neil Garfield's weblog at this link http://livinglies.wordpress.com/ .  It should not cost you 20K.  Many reliable attorneys are charging a very affordable monthly fee to handle your case.  Just make sure you find someone highly recommended and experienced.  Good luck!

Keith Kropp
4:47pm • #122
JUL
14

what happens in the case when the original mortgagee is merged another bank which later merged with yet another bank . the mortgage is being foreclosed on by the successor bank but that bank is clainming thatvthe note is lost?

vickie
5:27am • #123
OCT
05
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yes they look so nice but Foreclosures are such tough on to stomach.

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