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A stager's blog starts the conversation.

In light of the recent post by Cathy Dick on her blog titled, "Remove my home staging signs from the home? Why?," I got to thinking about the relationships between sellers, stagers, and Realtors®.  So far, I've never seen a particularly warm-fuzzy friendship between the three.  That's not to say that it doesn't exist, but one scroll through the comments section of Cathy's post and you'll see what I mean.

Why do we seem to be at odds?  (Realtors® and stagers)

The first thing I notice about staging and the discussion between agents and stagers, is always the same - there is split of opinion on the usefulness of staging.  For the record, I think staging is a good thing and we have some great stagers right here in San Antonio, but I do have some concerns and thoughts (which I'll explain later).  Much like any real estate related product or service out there, there are those that will love it and those that will despise it.  I'm not surprised by this really as there is an opinion out there for just about every agent.  We are a varied bunch and we don't always agree amongst ourselves on techniques, products, and services.

I don't know a ton of stagers, so I can't really comment for them.  I do know that for them, they are providing a service which they believe in.  From my position as an agent, I'd say they're a passionate bunch and truly believe in the potential of their services.  A conversation back in February on Nicole Hurst's blog, "Cole House Design Asks "Do You Offer a Guarantee" on your Home Staging Work?," had a great comment thread that shows just how passionate they can be.  Most of the stagers there seemed open to listening to agents and had a lot to say in terms of feedback, so I thought it was a good constructive conversation.

The idea that was passed in that comment thread was an interesting one to me, as in my dealings with sellers, I have found a reluctance to employ the services (on their end) of a stager.  I think the biggest obstacle is cost up front with no guarantee of return.  Although stagers have some great statistics for their services, agents have a hard time convincing their sellers that the cost is going to yield a sale.  There is no guarantee of a sale with staging (much like there is no guarantee of a sale with a Realtor®) and because of that initial outlay of cash, there seems to be a disconnect between stagers and sellers.

What puts you at odds?  (Stagers and sellers)

Sellers are surrounded by shows announcing the usefulness of staging, but they are also surrounded by DIY shows telling them how to go about it for less.  Much like the eternal battle between FSBO and Realtor®, we need people to see the value in our services.  How we go about it is once again, up for debate.  Sellers that I have met aren't against the idea of staging, but they are against the idea of tightening budgets (this discussion would probably be different with a different economy).  By the time they're done paying everyone, they fear there will be nothing left.  Unfortunately, that's out of your control.

Your control of the situation is often out of your hands once you've staged the house and one of the complaints I seem to hear from stagers is that they can't offer any sort of "guarantee" as the sellers aren't guaranteed to keep the house the way it is or perform the list of chores the stager has suggested.  Much like an agent, you're stuck with a seller who wants to sell their house, but won't work to get it sold.  We as agents know the problems associated with this as well.  In our case, there often comes a time when we must say goodbye in these situations and take our losses.  I think you may have the upper hand in this situation though, as your "product" is tangible, ours is not (until the final sale).  We also invest into the sale of a property, but some of that is not directly seen by the seller (some marketing isn't quite as tangible), whereas your "product" is right there in their home.

Where's the solution?

One of the thoughts I had in Nicole Hurst's blog was the possibility of a shift in business model.  What if an agent and stager joined forces and charged a commission rate for their services combined.  The stager would present at the listing presentation and give the sellers their opinion of what to do.  We would give our presentation on how much to sell it for and how to go about marketing the home.  The commission being higher than expected might throw some sellers off, but by having a "no money down" type option with a team of professionals, I can imagine it being a little easier to swallow for the seller.  The initial outlay of cash seems to be one of the biggest sticking points I've come across.  By getting a percentage commission (or even a flat fee - at closing), the stager becomes part of the way we sell the home, not just a side note in the eyes of the sellers.

Instead of arguing that things were out of our control (stager or Realtor®) we could both take a more proactive role in each other's business.  I won't tell you which towels to hang of course, that's not my job - but we could feed off of each other, much like I do with a good lender.  Teamwork.  And a mutually beneficial service to the seller that would seem much more seamless in their eyes and take some of the sting out of the initial moments of selling their home.  Very few people want to layout a few hundred to a few thousand dollars before they even know if someone will come look at their house.  However, I'm willing to bet that if we could work as a team in getting the home sold, take our commissions as a team, and sell the homes quicker and for more money (which I believe can be done with staging), we could build a strong unit with the seller, who would turn around and recommend us as a team.  It would take trust and teamwork between Realtor®, stager, and seller, but I think the return in stronger in the end.

**UPDATE** - Erica Christoffer from realtor.org contacted me and wrote a post about this post, "Should Real Estate Pros and Stagers Join Forces?"  Thanks to everyone for commenting on it and being a part of the discussion.  As soon as I get to answering all the comments, I may just have to write a follow up using some of the ideas I'm building thanks to all the comments.

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139 Comments on Can't we all just get along? Stagers vs. Realtors® vs. Sellers.

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P.S. I would love it if a stager would re-blog this and place it in the "Stage It Forward" group for more stagers to read.  Thanks!

4:17pm • #1
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Matt ! I love this topic and it's one I have tried to bridge myself over the last year or so, but with little success.  The seller never seems to see the benefit of putting the cash upfront - even though I show them examples of successful stagings in the past. Very good focus points on helping these relationships !

4:23pm • #2
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Hi Matt,

We have only used a stager on one occassion and the owner and we have to agree was a waste of money.  We have been selling for a long time and pretty much know how to set the house up for a showing.  Maybe not down to every bowl of flowers but enough to have the home show well.

That's a great picture you have, but how long can the average seller keep it looking that way if we are into several weeks of showings before an offer comes in.

As for sharing the commission, don't like that.  There is enough pressure on the commission now, with Agents offering reduced commission just to get the listing.  That perks up a Seller who sometimes forgets the old saying "you get what you pay for".

4:30pm • #3
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Al and Peggy - Quick point in case someone else reads it the way you did.  I didn't mean to make it sound like a commission reduction or an outright sharing of the commission, but rather if agent makes x%, then the commission in this set up would be x+y%, where y would be the commission percent a stager would charge.  As for reduced commission agents, I agree with the "you get what you pay for" theory and have found myself amazed at what some of the low cost commission agents don't do.  Simple things that would cost them nothing, but give them better results.  Of course, I'm fine with them not doing it, because it only proves my point when I speak to sellers.

4:38pm • #4
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This should turn out to be a very interesting conversation. I look forward to seeing the responses you get.

I for one do believe that we can all play well together, and all benefit from the teamwork. Professional stagers are another good tool in our toolbelt.

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Matt,

There is without question a need for professional staging when it permits. My average client is 150k buyer or seller. The cost of a full staging likely wouldn't be acceptable to most of the folks I work with. The higher end: 400k plus would certainly have the means in most cases to spend this extra money. Cindy Bryant is very well known in Houston. Her work is outstanding to say the least.

4:52pm • #6
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This is a free country and I support any honest business model.

Where I draw the line with stagers is when they begin to claim that staging will sell homes faster and for more money. 

They have no evidence to support that claim and in my communication with several, have no understanding of the relationship between price/co-op/condition/seller incentive/etc.  In fact, several have naively claimed that price/co-op/seller incentives have no bearing on a home selling and that appearance is the only factor.

So, until stagers stop claiming that their service is the proximate cause of the sale, I remain unconvinced of the value of home staging. 

 

4:56pm • #7
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Matt - I think your idea is spot on.

I don't think that staging will ever sell a home for more money. It may not even sell it faster. But - it will help a buyer envision what the space can be and therefore removes objections to the sale.

In this economy, I have a very hard time ever recommending that my seller spend money in order to accomplish this since it is such a subjective topic.

I think if stagers were only paid on contingency as real estate professionals are, they would be seen on the same plane and have the same motivation. I think that would be much better received by not only the selling community but the real estate community. This is a great post and worthy of a feature.

5:23pm • #8
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I am surprised at the rift you describe. My sellers are happy when we employ a good stager to transform their house into something that sparkles and make it look so much better than the cmpetition. I don't know but really it comes down to the fact that there are some big egos in the business...Hey I've been in and our of AR sporadically over the last 2 months and missed some things. What is an AR Ambassador? I am familiar with Reggae Ambassador but not the AR version!?

5:51pm • #9
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I dont do a lot of listings and have not used a stager.  However the homes that are staged show better and sell faster if the price is still right. 

6:19pm • #10
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I think staging has value... and I know that the big issue with most consumers IS spending the cash...  In fact, I have a plan for sellers to reduce the overall cost, but they get to participate by paying a fee up front... they aren't seeming to like it that much. 

6:19pm • #11
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So what's the feud??   Staging has it place and does help some homes sell.

Patricia Aulson/portsmouth nh

6:25pm • #12
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Staging will help make a home marketable and define abstract space into functional space that can get the buyer emotionally engaged with the property.

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Matt,

Where the wheel comes off the staging track for me is when stagers begins making claims that "staging" was the only reason the house sold. There are far too many variables in selling. Staging is only one of them.

Rich

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Interesting take - I don't mind the stager being paid at the closing, but I don't know how you would be able to wrap it up into the commission - wouldn't the brokerage have to be supportive of that as well?  Seems better to set a specific fee for it and have the stager do their own contract with the seller stating that the stager will be paid at the closing. 

I only really advocate staging by professionals in vacant houses - there are those who simply cannot visualize their belongings in an empty space. 

Thanks!

6:50pm • #15
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I believe in staging. I know it helps get the home sold faster. I don't know about for more money.

I use to insist all my sellers have them home staged if it was vacant.

Then my stager quit.

I haven't staged since.

I like light staging not the full blown furniture deal. Now, the issue of stagers being paid at point of sale.

I hope the stagers on AR join in and comment.

I can't imagine it happening. Realtors and lenders are a unique group that only get paid when it sells, so we work for Free until it does. We take the risks. Will a stager take the risk?

Curious to see how they respond.

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Matt - Congratulations on the feature. It is well worthy and I am excited to read the stager comments...

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Hi Matt~  Maybe more sellers would "Hire" Stagers if they only got paid if the house sells.  That is what the sellers are used to doing when they sell.  They typically only pay Realtors if and when the house sells.  I have sold many a home that looked horrible and was NOT staged, so staging is not the be all end all to getting homes sold.  Yes, of course I would rather every single one of my homes that I listed was "staged" but they do not have to be staged to sell..... 

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Hi Matt ~ I have reblogged your post {turning off the comments and putting the link to your post in} in the Stage It Forward Group.

7:10pm • #19
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As someone who practices Feng Shui, I strongly believe the appearance and presentation of the home can affect the sale (positively or negatively). I believe vacant homes might sell faster if staged. I do not believe staging can or should bring more money to the table (because I believe the inherent value is in the property, not the furniture arrangement and accoutrements the stager brings in).

I can understand why stagers are passionate about their work because you can see tangible, positive results from staging.

As someone with a design sensibility, I don't feel I need a stager to tell me how to best place furniture. I always advise clients to declutter, and I go from room to room and make copious notes of suggestions I have for the best presentation of rooms. I also make lists of suggestions for inexpensive items sellers can purchase that will spiff up their homes. And I will help move furniture around, suggest the use of fresh flowers, vanilla on the stove for open houses and broker's opens, soft music playing in the background, etc.

Just today on a listing appointment I suggested paint colors and the purchase of new cabinet pulls for kitchen cupboards, as well as other suggestions (this was an expired listing and was very dark inside). I advised the gentleman to always have the blinds open. There was also a very strong smell of garbage in the home, which I did not mention, but if I end up with the listing, you can bet that subject will be addressed.

I do not like the idea of sharing commission. I believe stagers are sub-contractors and should be paid accordingly.

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I haven't experienced any animosity between sellers and stagers, but my sellers who have utilized staging have tended to be in the higher end homes and relatively sophisticated.  They recognize the value...

7:40pm • #21

hi matt,

i am an accredited stager and a realtor...i took a course in staging before i got my real estate license, so i have experience on both ends...i definately believe that a well balanced inviting home is a plus in selling a property...i have combined my experience and help my clients by giving them a plan on what to do...at no charge of course, but if the stager was not the realtor,  i would find it hard to imagine that they would be willing to wait until the property was sold to get paid....do you agree that there are too many variables that are out of the stagers control?

 

7:55pm • #22

i was not logged in when i just commented....

the comment which started with i am a stager and a realtor is from me...

marlene goldstein...

7:59pm • #23
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I think a good stager is a valuable team member to have.  Sometimes a third-party voice is needed to get the property in it's best marketable position.  And a professional who deals in design is what is called for.  My sellers appreciate the assistance, and so do I.

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Since I am employed neither as a Realtor or Stager, I would have to say that as a consumer, I would be more inclined to purchase a home that was staged in lieu of one that wasn't.  Some people need visual aids, like me, to see what the home looks like.  When I print the directions from Yahoo I need the picture, not the words.  As far as compensation, couldn't the Stager get paid once the deal closed?  I would think that the fee could just be paid out of seller proceeds if collecting a fee upfront was an issue.  It seems like the Realtor would be the one to recommend, or not, if the client needed staging so my advice to Stagers would be to build some relationships if you want more business.

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BTW Matt, love the Rockstar heading.  Very cool!

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I missed from the discussion on that post that agents don't think staging is useful.   

I don't think there is a feud.

8:12pm • #27
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Matt,

 

Good post. It would indeed be nice if everyone got along well. Under $300,000, I don't think it is very much help.

Over $1,000,000 the seller probably has better furniture than the stager can bring in.

So, somewhere in the $650,000 to $950,000 range, there's a sweet spot that works. A nouveau seller with poor taste and needs a little help, is the right type of client.

Brian

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Thank you for out of the box thinking on a in the box subject.  This post, thx to Kathy Passarette, has been featured in the Group " Stage It Forward".

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Hi Matt. I have never use a professional home stager but some people do. To each his or her own.

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Some sellers do a better job staging their home than a stager can do for them.  Especially so because they have to live in the house for the duration of thelisting and the house still has to work as a home for them.  But then there are those that think that their house is the cat's meow and is perfect the way it is when in fact it can use a major cleanup, decluttering job and overhaul.  These are usually the homes that need staging the most with sellers that are most resistant.  Really think that if you could offer these people the option of paying for the staging at closing, you'd have an easier time getting them to agree to it.  Loved that idea.

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Trying to sell an occupied home without professional staging is like going on a first date in your pjs and wearing no make up.  You could, but would you? 

 

 

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It depends on how an agent views staging. Many agents, like myself, can do a lot of basic staging ourselves and get the house in shape. If I bring in a stager, it would be almost a top-notch interior designer that can take it to a brand new level. Or a specialist, like a feng shui stager.

Now, if you're an agent without any staging capability then adding a stager as a team member could be a good thing. Unfortunately, you can some times get a staging license, or whatever, just as fast as you can get a real estate license. I think staging classes can give good tips but can't necessarily teach someone style and give them the "eye" to stage and design. There are bad stagers out there just like there are bad agents.

You suggest a decent model but one hard to pitch in this economic times unless the stager and agent are truly intertwined. Before you know it, you would have discounted your fee AND still have the staging included.

The problem will always be that stagers want to get paid upfront. They don't work on commission like us and don't go out on a limb like we do.

You know...working your butt off with the hope of getting paid.

8:42pm • #33

Matt you savvy son of a gun, what an interesting idea.

What I find fascinating about all of the comments are the discrepancies in understanding of what Professional staging is and does. It depends on the stager....bottom line. Just like Realtors there are good ones and bad ones and ones that make claims that are unrealistic. I have been merchandising homes to sell for 27 years and I won't guarantee that my staging will sell a house but I will guarantee that I have seen it improve the odds in the past and well staged homes do sell faster and for more money. My own house house sold for 7% more than any of the 5 Realtors I interviewed said it would (all clients, well respected and I would consider friends) and it sold first day to the first person who saw it. That is just my personal story and doesn't beging to cover my professional stories.

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Who knew there was this much pent up feeling about staging...if the seller wants to stage their house and pay for it then let them.

It's a price point thing!

 

 

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I'm selling the house but I'm not interested in detracting peoples thoughts from the house.  Staging signs in my opinion do that.

8:57pm • #36

Im struck by the number of comments that include "I believe" or "I dont believe" in staging. It sounds like a religion we are talking about....Its not. Staging is a tool. Sometimes needed sometimes not.

 

 

9:05pm • #37
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I purposely used the word "believe," because when you strip it, deconstruct it, it is about beliefs. You either believe it has value or you don't.

9:19pm • #38

We keep a homestage exclusively in our Brokerage, she charges us 150.00 for the report...think outside the box.  Lots of ways to make this work.

9:34pm • #39

Love all the comments and differences of opinion in this post!  You make some very interesting points about getting paid at closing. I have done this with a few of my clients and let's just say that it has made it difficult to be paid at closing, or not at all in some cases (which is a whole other blog). 

I believe the economy is the biggest factor, most clients (in the Raleigh Market) seem to want their home staged by a professional (who does not make false promises, as indicated here) but they don't have the funds.  We as stagers, of course are a creative bunch and many will offer creative solutions for our clients.  We spend two hours with our clients and tell/show/teach them how to stage their own homes.  Right now it's 50/50 who pays for our consultation...realtor vs. seller.

What your post and comments don't address is the drastic shift in the consumers.  Over the past year and a half I am contacted 90% of the time by the home seller and BEFORE they even contact a Realtor.  We are often asked for a Realtor Referral.  Of course we are happy to refer several of our agents depending on the clients needs.  But honestly, we are only referring the agents that believe in and use professional staging, whether they hire us or not for the listing.  This shift is happening all over the country, not just Raleigh.

Our staged properties range from $150,000 to $3,000,000 and to tell you the truth the homes under $300,000 are experiencing the fastest sales.  Anything over  $700,000 is taking 60 to 90 days on average to sell, which in our market is still pretty good

I agree staging is a tool and is not for every Realtor or Client.  It's price, location and condition and we can only play a role in the condition and presentation.  To each his own as long as it SELLS!!!

 

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I think as a REALTOR you team with a Staging professional to have the service be provided out of commission.  One thing that can be an issue is the total cost can be more than you bargain for depending on the marketplace you are in.  Great blog post

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i like the idea of the stager getting paid at the end like we do - and then the agent and the stager would both have an interest in getting the job done well. Good post

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Great post..I do think it depends on price range...but staging definitely helps in most cases...

And yes, cant we all get along...we all have the same goal in mind....getting the home sold!

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I think  that the best business model for home staging is to pay up front.  That keeps everybody happy and motivated. The seller is more motivated to get the house sold to recoup their investment.   The home stager has a dollar investment in decor and furniture. Even if the home stager rents furnishing, the rental company will not wait till closing. Thus it is not practical for a stager to wait.    Home staging is labor intensive for occupied homes and deserves to be paid for ser vices rendered.  The home inspector doesn't give a guarantee the house will sell. The surveyor doesn't guarantee the house will sell. The appraiser doesn't guarantee the house will sell at appraisal value, etc.  

Staging is a marketing strategy and has an investment value.  Just like marketing on the internet or in the newspaper, there is an investment amount.  Most advertising media require payment up front for the marketing pieces.  Stagers also deserve to be paid in exchange for the marketing value.  Again regardless of the size of the print or media ad, there is no guarantee that the house will sell by the adversting companys.        

 

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Sheldon - I've offered a stager's services to several clients.  I even offered to pay for the initial consultation up front as part of my listing presentation.  The sellers couldn't get past the idea that the stager would charge them money before the home ever sold.  The home selling business is one of rewards after the results.

Jim - I definitely see it as a useful tool.  I would love to see it expand, but of course, I also think there was a gold rush mentality when staging started coming into the limelight.  I know plenty of stagers that disappeared when time's got tough.

Greg - I often wonder if it's not some of those $150K homes that need it more than the $400K homes.  It's all about finding the cost effective solution and I have to admit, on the lower priced homes, I haven't seen a solid plan to help that - I haven't pushed the issue either, but perhaps that's another avenue that should be looked at and (at some point) solved.

Lenn - I hate to play devil's advocate here, but agents (not all) do the same things.  We are out there selling our services as the best.  At the end of the day, although we might have a better marketing plan or more contacts or (insert how great we are here); we are still are banking that all of our planning and work will generate the best price in the shortest amount of time.  No matter how much we look at stats and numbers, we are still looking at a math problem with too many variables.  Just recently I sold a home in 8 days for more than asking price.  Not bad.  However, I owe that more to the seller than I do myself.  They had a terrific home and buyers recognized that the minute they stepped in the door (in a neighborhood full of cookie-cutter houses).  The thing I pat myself on the back for?  A good price.  I did my homework.  As far as marketing, most of mine hadn't even started.  The house (and price) sold itself.  Can I say that my skills are better than the agent who's listing is languishing on the market down the road.  Not really in this case (I still believe mine are better, but in the interest of truth in regards to this home, I don't really think I can.).

Christianne - The thing that I have heard most from stagers (stagers feel free to chime in here) is that for them, there is no protection by asking for payment at the end.  The "what if the seller fires me before the house sells" syndrome.  Which is why I propose commission and not flat fee.  We as agents get paid a commission - part of that is for taking the risk associated with selling a home.  If we don't sell the home, we can be fired.  With no pay.  After spending money on the home.  I don't think we would be paid commissions if it weren't for the risk factor.  If we were assigned homes to sell like appraisers are assigned home, I don't think the commission based model would work anymore.  Sorry a bit off track there.

Russell - I think egos can be a big part of the problem.  On both sides.  If you read the comments in Cathy Dick's post you will see some who suggest that the "spotlight" should be on the Realtor® and not the stager.  Defining it that way seems a bit weird to me.  Spotlights are for rockstars.  Ok, I said that just for laughs.  The ActiveRain Ambassador badge is for some of us who volunteered to help out around ActiveRain - try to welcome new members, talk to them about the benefits of ActiveRain, and be there to help them when they have questions.  You can read more about it on Brad's blog at "The ActiveRain Ambassador Program."

Chuck - I see the value you in it, that I don't question.  I just hope there can be some great thought on how to get more people involved.

Lane - I'd love to hear about your program to satisfy my curiosity if you're willing to share.  Email me?

Patricia - Read the blogs I've mentioned - especially the comments.

Vickie - Yes, that's what it does, but how do we get more sellers involved and work out a solution for the disconnect between us all?

Richard - The shoe could be on the other foot as well.  Do we take more credit than we deserve for a listing selling sometimes?  (See my comments to Lenn above.)

Emily - Much like a referral fee or other items coming out of an agent's commission (as per the listing agreement), I'm sure brokers could find a way to make this happen at closing without making a mess of it.  I'm sure some wouldn't like the idea of it, but I'm sure it could be done.

Missy - That's just it.  Risk is the key to our job.  We risk a lot when we list a home.  And I think we're compensated for that risk.  Perhaps a stager could look at that model and see a reason to make it work and to take a chance at it.  I think if they were more vested in the transaction, they would be more pro-active as well.  I don't like to lose a listing, so I do what it takes to keep that listing and get it sold.  Perhaps stagers would become more a part of the team and less a "tool" of our trade.

Christianne - Thanks.  I wasn't prepared for all the comments tonight!  Haha.

Vickie - That's exactly what I'm getting at here.  I think more people would be interested if there was more of (what I call) a "guarantee."  We get your home sold - if not, we're the losers in this.  We lose cash, time, and effort.  No one wants that.  With that spectre hanging over you, you're always more willing to try harder and push further as well.

Kathy - Thank you!  Double thanks for turning off the comments too and redirecting (my favorite way of re-blogging).  I appreciate it and look forward to hearing more from the stagers.

Deborah - I'm not much of a designer, so I couldn't tout myself as the answer to a stager.  I can make a few common sense suggestions, but that's about it.  As for the sharing commission, I am not suggesting we take a pay cut, but rather agent's commission = x, stager's commission = y, so the commission we charge to list is x + y.

Janna - I'm not talking about animosity between them, but rather sellers being reluctant to spend money up front on a service they don't totally see a tangible value in because they don't know if the home will sell.

Marlene - I think there are too many variables out there for any of us to make a true guarantee.  I can't guarantee a seller that their home will sell.  I can tell them what my experience suggests and what I think can/should happen during the process.  If I can't sell their home though, I walk away without a dime in my pocket (I don't charge transaction fees either).  A stager would still walk away with cash.  That's what I see sellers seeing as an obstacle.

Susan - One of the great things about stagers is that they work hard to "tell" a seller what needs to be fixed (at least a great stager does).  The sometimes honest, open talk about how the deer head over the mantle might shoe buyers away can be tought to do, but a great stager (or agent) can pull this off without offending anyone.

David - I think your input is valuable as well, since you're not involved in the selling process (in that sense).  I go nuts when buyers concentrate on the details of the furniture, but at the same time know why people do it.

Maureen - There were several agents and stagers that seemed to have taken a side over there.  I've heard it before in other discussions of staging.

Brian - I disagree, I think some of the lower priced homes could use it more than anything.  They might not need a full furniture outlay, but they might be able to help a seller decorate their home in order to showcase it better.

Karen - So as a stager, what do you think?

Lana - Would you ever use one?

Leah - Some people don't need it, I agree.  Giving the sellers options is important.  One option would be to pay at the closing table in my opinion.  Do you think sellers would pay more in order to pay later?  Now there's a thought.

Vicky - Um, no comment on the pjs on a first date.  I swear I've never done it.

Bev and Bob - You stated:

The problem will always be that stagers want to get paid upfront. They don't work on commission like us and don't go out on a limb like we do.

You know...working your butt off with the hope of getting paid.

It doesn't have to be that way.  That's why I'm asking the question to both agents and stagers.  Not sure if they'll agree with the "out on a limb" and "working your butt off" comments though.

Allegra - This makes the issue even more complex.  I know of several stagers who are just people who opened up shop and said "I'm a stager."  I could say I was a stager if I wanted to.  Of course, the proof is in the pudding, so I would be found out pretty quickly.  And don't worry, I think the same applies to agents as well.  Every industry has its bad seeds I guess, but I hope those of us that employ stagers will weed out those without the real skills, much like I hope a seller's bad experience will help weed out bad agents.

David - It's not about whether the sellers want to pay for it, it's whether we can generate more interest in staging (which I think is a good thing) and make it cost-effective for our sellers.

Russ - Would you put a lender's sign in the yard?

Ron - It's definitely not needed all the time, but I do think it can help in many cases.

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Wow ~ what a great discussion you have started here Matt!

I think a staged home defiantly helps showcase the home, obviously. I do not necessarily believe staging can sell a home, there are so many other factors that are involved when a buyer chooses one home over another.

Home staging is a service, just like landscaping, house cleaning, painting, that is provided to the consumer. If you want a service done, you have to pay for it. Agreeing on the payment should be done before the service is provided, right. When payment is made should be determined up front and agreed upon by all parties involved.

Anyway, I have had a bad day Matt, I hope my comment made a little bit if sense...just wanted to comment you your well written post and say congrats on the feature.

 

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Matt - I really like the way you seek to find alternative ideas.  The unique proposal deserved to be discussed and debated.  Unfortunately, much of the conversation returned to each side making a case for/against staging.  I'll give my thoughts on your proposal.

  1. This arrangement would be a tremendous financial benefit for the seller.  By shifting the burden to the real estate team until the sale, the home owner can use his/her money to prepare for the move.
  2. The logistics are easy, at least in KY.  Our listing contract has blanks for commission rate or fee as well as blanks for additional service.  The brokerage would get paid at closing per the contract and the agent could pay the stager.  (A separate contract could exist between the agent/stager if necessary).
  3. For stagers, it helps them overcome some of the seller's reservations or the financial problems mentioned by Michelle (#40).  Ultimately, this would lead to additional business.
  4. For agents who accept the premise, Stagers offer another tool to separate themselves from the competition.  Again, this would lead to more business.
  5. One concern is competition would become limited.  Newbie Stagers may simply not have the financial resources to handle certain jobs if they can't get paid for some time period.  Quite honestly, I don't know if this would be good or bad.

Note: This really only applies to a full-blown project.  It unreasonable for the consulting fee not to be paid at the time of service if that is all the home owner wants.         

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Matt,

Thanks for this post and thanks Kathy for reblogging.  Beverly you put it out there as well as anyone has in reference to the pay issues facing Stagers.  Staging is another marketing tool and the work itself is most comparable to a subcontrator.  It is an investment like other needed repairs.  Considering the return, it is a good investment. 

Stagers do not charge or get the commission a realtor does and we lay out just as much in labor and materials if not more depending on the service and how professional and hard working the agent is. We could go back and forth on who spends more up front  but bottom line, realtors get more and for in many cases far less output.  This can be seen in some of the miserable marketing of properties in any number of areas across the country and especially now in this economy when cash is king and foreclosures flood the market.  Homeowners complain of it constantly therefore the FSBO market.

I am not a Stager that guarantees the sale of a property or guarantees more money or tells sellers they can list for a higher price.  I am a Stager that conveys the truth that Staging can maximize all the positives of your property and support your listing price if realistic.  Get what you are worth or lose your shorts dropping the price until someone can't ignore the deal.  I am constantly banging the drum about Staging not being decorating and deception (read some of my blogs).

Like Michele the majority of my business comes from homeowners without prompting from a realtor.  My consultations are cost effective and helpful.  Many times homeowners cannot see the forest through the trees.  It is sad that many realtors view us in such a cynical and unsavory light as we are an industry that assists realtors and homeowners. 

If I charge $150 to do a Staging report for a homeowner that the realtor covers, is this more cost effective than spending a considerable amount more on advertising a property that looks like hell in on line marketing photos and smells when you walk in the door?  Will your showing traffic increase or decrease if the home is Staged (not decorated)and presents well in on line photos?

Agents like Lenn there think we are all snake oil salesman and that's the problem.  That attitude creates resentment.   Disagreeing is the American way, so why the insulting comments we Stagers hear and see so often from the mouths and keyboards of realtors? 

Sorry, sore subject for me, thanks for the opportunity.

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@Bev - By your logic, real estate agents should also be paid upfront.  There is an certainly an outlay of effort and cash required to properly price and market a home.  I could replace stager with real estate agent in virtually every one of your sentences and the meaning would be unchanged.  Certainly the model exists and is preferable to some customers.  However, alternative models also exist.  Similarly, I see no reason that a 'paid at closing' staging model couldn't exist. 

@Ana- Clearly there are good and bad agents as well as good and bad stagers.  Neither profession requires overcoming particulary high barriers to entry.  However, if you choose to look at the best of each profession, you will find hard-working individuals who put their clients needs first and are committed to success.  Since the client and the success criteria are one in the same, does it not seem possible that a unified approach would work?  You commented that Stagers do not charge or get a commisison.  That is a business decision.  Matt's proposal would allow for that possibility. 

@Matt - Yes, I know this is your blog:)      

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Hi Matt -- As an ASP, realtor, broker, owner, we do it all, partner with other stagers at times, so I can see both sides of the fence.  In short, stagers are a sub-contractor to the realtor, who is the general contractor. Guess who wins in a sub vs. gc. dilemma?  Stagers are a piece of the pie, critical yes, but there are many other things that a good agent will know buyers are looking for and it has nothing to do with staging -- for example -- how to mitigate the stigma effect of prior termite damage, mold, water intrusion, functional obsolescence, and the list goes on.  This is where an experienced agent is the key.

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Homes that are properly staged seem to get more buyer attention than those that aren't.  Giving the stager a bit of "skin in the game" makes sense to me.

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Why would it be so hard to get along.. Together Everyone Achieves More

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Staging makes the home look prettier in the photos, but people (consumers) are getting wise to that too.  I've seen many a staged home just sit and sit on the market.  Many Owner Occupied homes that were very tastefully decorated also don't sell for the higher price, or any faster. 

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Thanks.  You made my point completely.  It's the house that sells, not the staging.

 

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It takes a collective effort these days to sell a home. . maybe more so than others. But no one can do it alone.

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Wow !  A great discussion indeed !  The benefit with us is that Stephanie has a great eye for that.  She sometimes helps get the houses that we list staged ahead of time with what she has to work with.  So it is super for listing agents to already have this sort of knowledge up-front.  And to be excellent at taking photos as well as obviously staged properties can produce much better photos for marketing purposes.  If the home is vacant and quirky (in our area this would be studio condos or odd spaces) we ALWAYS recommend staging.   We personally sold one of our condos recently and had it professionally staged so we did put our money where our mouth is.  We also have an EXCELLENT relationship with a professional stager that we use personally and recommend to our clients.  It is important to have that resource as a listing agent ahead of time.  Of course, if the seller balks and says "no way" at least you recommended it : )

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What do I think? well . . . you asked.

I have a "small" few Realtors I allow to pay me at closing and we work as a team for listings.  That works if you know them well and it is for an occupied home where you are working with the sellers items.  To do it with every agent I do consultation services for (no inventory involved) would be impossible in that I would have to track the closings for each and every listing I did a consultation for.  Home stagers are just contractors, like the one time landscaper hired to spruce up the curb appeal.  Does any one call the landscaper to let him know the house went under contract?  I can easily do 3 to 8 of these consults a week all over Atlanta and it would be an administrative nightmare for me to keep up with when I am eligible to be paid. 

Also, regardless of my teaming with a Realtor for payment at closing, it is impossible to do when the stager is bringing in furniture and accessories.  That has a monthly carrying cost for the stager that can range anywhere from $300 to $1000 a month per listing.  I do not know of any stager that could be profitable doing that.  Agents do not invest that kind of marketing money monthly per listing; a stager staging a vacant would be out of business in no time flat.  I have over a dozen furnished staged homes right now and my monthly carrying costs are well over $6,000.  And next week I'll add another home, and the following week another, but taking down one that went under contract.  Can you imagine how a small company that is just a simple contractor could survive if they were not doing monthly billings for these carrying costs?

Couple other points of interest -- I do not believe home staging in this market fetches more money.  I do believe if properly presented on the Internet, home staging increases showings in this market, which increases the likelyhood of an offer.  It is a marketing tool to sell a house.  That's all.  Some folks use professional painters, some do not; some will use home stagers, some will not; some use Realtors, some do not.  The only thing the Seller really HAS TO HAVE is a BUYER!  I just think that the buyer is more likely to come sooner if the seller has a full service Realtor and the Realtor uses a stager as one of their marketing tools. (Not to mention the sale and negoiation will go smoother with a full service Realtor)

Lastly, I can't help but comment that in the three years that I have been providing staging services, the only experience I have had regarding Realtors and Stagers being at odds has been here on Activerain.   I am fortunate that here in Atlanta we all play in the sandbox well together.

Matt this is a great post and I hope my thoughts and opinions added some value.

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Great post, Matt.

I'd be willing to entertain a "pay at closing" option for the occupied homeowner. Whether it's a flat fee from the seller paid at closing or a % - I'm open. As for vacant homes (which is the majority of the homes I stage) I couldn't extend that offer. Last year, I had 37 vacant homes staged at the same time so the financial responsibility of carrying that many homes at one time would be too significant. 

As for whether or not staging alone will sell a property? The answer is no. I make that clear to all of my prospects. The key to a successful sale boils down to:

  • Having a great agent
  • Pricing the home correctly 
  • Making it visually appealing inside and out
My mission as a stager is to help sell the home more quickly, therefore, I feel I have a responsibility to have those three points listed above addressed in every appointment.  In fact, I goes as far as saying that "while I can, with all the confidence in the world make their home look incredibly nice and have it stand out from the others on the market, it serves no purpose if the home isn't getting shown." Pricing it right and having an agent who is aggressive with their marketing efforts is critically important.



Kathy

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Matt, the three parties need to work together in concert and iron out their differences, questions, and concerns ahead of time and MAKE IT WORK. It is possible to have a happy ending when they do that.

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As a stager the problems I would have with getting paid at closing are:

1. I have no control over pricing. (What if the seller insists their  home is worth more than the comps, what if the agent has the listing priced wrong)?

2. I have no control over how well the seller will keep up with the staging after I leave. (Am I suppose to keep running to the listing every time it has a showing)?

3. I have no control over how well the Realtor will market the listing. (Just like all professions, there are good ones and there are  bad ones) 

4. I have no control over the seller pulling a listing and not re-listing.  (Then what happens to my fees)?

I too receive calls from sellers seeking staging before contacting an agent. How can I stage a property and agree to wait to get paid at closing not  knowing who the seller is going to choose to list their home? Do I have a choice in who I share a commission with?

I'm still new to the staging industry but there are to many factors involved for me to consider getting paid at closing for my services. If someone has a solution to my concerns then I would consider getting paid at closing.

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Here in our area (a quiet suburb) we don't see staging much.  However, in the city I encounter it more often, IF it will be used at all.  The biggest factor for stagers right now is homeowners not wanting to spend MORE money to get the house ready to sell.

7:47am • #61

Matt,

I left a long and boring comment on Cathy's post too!  I am a firm believer in the value stagers bring to the table. In occupied homes, however, the stager has completed her work long before closing; let person get paid then - just like a home inspector, exterminator, water tester, etc.

One often overlooked benefit to advertising that a home has been staged is that potential buyers see the owner is very motivated to sell. In my area with overloaded inventory, this alone is a plus. And, no, it doesn't result in just lowball offers - because the buyers see that the home is in tip-top shape.

Stagers rock!

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Matt, I have Realtors who use me as an added service to their services. They allot a certain time depending on the home size condition, the sellers pays my fee that day. The seller is then reimbursed upon closing. This arrangement gives the seller an incentive to comply and keep the home staged. This is for occupied homes only which I specialize in.

I've staged homes in the $130,000 through $3,000,000 range, the Realtors I've worked with have seen value in what I can bring to the table.

I would take payment at closing only with a few select Realtors. Since I specialize in owner occupieds I would not be out thousands of dollars a month. I don't see how it would work if a stager has to bring in rental furnishings as they would be out of business unless they had a huge stash of cash.

I do not claim staged homes sell faster & for more money but I do know those first glances can cause a buyer to stop, look and linger or scoot to the next listing on the list.

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Matt, I read your post and will go back and read the comments but I just finished re-blogging it in Ask A Home Stager, ASP Stagers in the Rain and Real Estate Staging Association. 

I'l so glad you wrote the post because I wanted to respond with something similar but have been busy and haven't had time to really put my thought together.  But, you did, so Thank YOU! 

First, I would love to try to work with the Realtors and Sellers regarding some sort of deferred payment.  I sent out a survey a few months ago to Realtors asking them how I could be of better service to them and what was important to them.  Regarding payment, all responded that some sort of deferred payment would help them sell our service to their sellers.  I've offered to do just that, but so far, I've had no takers.  Something would have to be worked out if the house were vacant and I needed to place inventory in it.  But, I'm sure there's a way.  Perhaps the Seller would provide a deposit for the inventory, with the balance being due at closing. 

You're right about offering guarantees.. . we can't.  If the seller refuses to take a Realtor's suggestion regarding price; if the Seller doesn't take our suggestions regarding a Staging consultation, or if they don't maintain the house after it's been Staged, well, we have no control.

Work become so much easier if we're all working together; if all we have to focus on is getting the job done in a professional manner.  

Good post! 

 

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Ditto to what most of the Stagers have already commented.

Occupied homes where inventory is not involved might be taken into consideration, however, who is to say the Seller would be able to keep the home "show ready"?

This might shed a little more light on the subject of why this business model would not work for my company. We currently have 9 vacant houses Staged with furniture and accessories.  Considering that if the AVERAGE vacant home held a carrying cost of $1,000 p/month and was Staged for ONLY 2 months from the date it hit the market to the date it closed escrow, I would be looking at carrying over $18,000 JUST IN INVENTORY for those 2 months not including the next homes we'll stage this month - that doesn't even include my standard business overhead of employees, insurance, moving trucks, etc....  Would a Realtor be able to carry $9,000 per month in expences? Waiting until the closing would be a impossibility. 

Almost 75% of my current business is directly from the Sellers, many before they have even contacted a Realtor.  Yes, I refer them to Realtors who have used our services in the past and who believe in the service we provide.

Lastly, take a look at what one Broker/Owner DID to our Staging after we left - although he paid for the first month of our services, he obviously had another agenda....  we asked that he remove our marketing materials from this home once these pictures were brought to our attention.  After seeing this, how then could we viably say, "It's OK that we wait until closing to be paid for our services"?  Although our contract clearly states that "nothing is to be moved, removed, etc" - in reality we obviously have no viable control once we have "left the building".

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Hi Matt,

Very interesting topic. I haven't read all the responses, but to me there seems to be an inherent problem. If Realtors, stagers, and others in the industry can't agree on the purpose or value of staging, how do they expect the homeowner to?

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Matt,
We are not Stagers or Agents; however, being in the business we are in I have to say at the very least Stagers greatly assist in a home being "sell ready" especially in time for a video tour. We have seen homes that have not been ready for company more or less not ready for selling. For this very reason we had to created a "SOLD" system that basically list would need to take place before the video tour. Often the Realtor is doing this if a Stager is not present;but I wonder if the seller is fully aware of the task is at hand if they really want there house to be ready for the market.I am floored as you state- Matt that someone would want to sell their house "but won't work to get it sold". I would really question how bad they want/need it sold.  When you combine marketing efforts(video tours & staging) a home is presented in such a way that will encourage an appointment-thus encouraging BUYERS! We have had agents who half some of the marketing costs with the sellers up front and then the agent gives it back to them at closing. So what do you think instead of it JUST being Agents & Stagers working as a team maybe the SELLER should be included?!

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Morning Matt,  I see the value of staging more for those listings where they are a wreck to begin with!  In those cases the decor, colors, clutter, etc make it impossible to see the real value of the listing !  That part of the market is probably also the least apt to spend the money ! 

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I didn't have time to read all the comments, but what about paying the stager at closing instead of up front.

Kathy

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Matt,

I do have a great relationship of the stagers I use.  As a REALTOR I took and achieved the Acredited Staging professional (ASP) status.  As a listing agent, I pay for my clients to have a staging consultation on their property of about two hours.  If they see no benefit to hire the staging professional to do the work, they can always incorporate the changes they want to do and see how it goes.

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Matt,

Great job! I think staging is important. I do not recommend a stager to my clients but instead do it myself. If they wanted to hire someone I would say PLEASE DO! I think in most cases your "idea" would work.

 

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Sounds very interesting.  Of course what I see happening is sellers wanting me to pay the stager out of my share of the sale.  However, if we could get stagers to make percentage agreements paid at closing with certain conditions it might get more sellers to use them.

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Hi Matt, wow what a great discussion and controversial feedback. But I assume that was expected ;-)

I am a Professional Stager and Real Estate Investor in the Atlanta area and I LOVE the idea of a success fee. I like to think outside of the box and that would be a great marketing tool.

The devil is in the detail, let’s talk about implementation and that is the tricky part.

Staging is a Marketing Tool, like great pictures, a video tour, and more. Some realtor have chosen to be the sole service providers for all this marketing tools. Some Realtors have chosen to focus on the core of the business and have established their extended marketing team, including a stager.

There are agent teams out there who have a stager included and they invest all into that concept and share the risk. That will work and it is a Business Model decision. Like there are full service Agent, Discount Brokers, flat fee for selling with commitment to use the agent for buying the new home, etc…

I can see a deferred payment option at closing for SERVICES performed. In the scenario where inventory is involved that is getting trickier. The implementation of a success fee or being paid at closing has to result in profit for all parties. Having said that, means the Business Model has to provide room for success.

SUMMARY: Can it work?

  • Yes, but not as an generic offering to everyone.
  • AM I willing to entertain a "pay at closing" option? YES for the occupied homeowners case by case
  • And what about empty home staging?
    One way might be adding financing options for upfront costs paid at closing. So here is one solution. ANd offering a Dsicount Option to my Marketing Plan, stay tuned I will include that in one of my blogs…

As some of my Professional Staging Colleagues mention, there is also a shift in consumer behavior. Sellers are contacting us before the house are even listed, some of them even 1-2 years earlier, because they want to enjoy the changes while they are still living there.

Staging has transformed some areas of Interior Design into an affordable commodity.

HAPPY SELLING

Barbara (Design2Sell-WeStageAtlanta)

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Stagers provide a service with no guarantee of the services provided, real estate agents provide a service also, with no guarantee of the services we provide.  We therefore justify to the sellers that we don't make money until they make money.  Stagers could do the same thing and keep the process very simple.  The sellers will pay a SMALL upfront fee of say $100, the seller will then sign a document that the stager can then use to file a mechanics lien on the property for the balance of the fee.  When the house sells they are paid for their services and at the same time they don't have the administrative issues of having to track each of their many clients.  Now it appears to the seller that the stager has some skin in the game and will make reccomendations that will make the house sell ffaster and not merely excercise their creativity at the expense of the seller.

Gary Steuernagel, Missouri City TX (Delta Realty Group)

 

11:15am • #75

'Staging' has been around forever. Builders have had model homes for as long as I can recall. I have sold new homes before for a builder and always, the model homes is desired more by buyers. Also, the floor plan of the furnished model usually sells more because potential buyers can see it decorated and see the defined spaces. I agree, in many cases sellers do not have the available funds to use to get their home staged. In my opinion, you have to look at each house/listing case by case. If the funds are available for a stager, then use it. It has helped me several times. Sometimes, a stager can come in for just a few hours to re-arrange what the seller currently has to make the home more appealing.

Greg
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It's probably time for an ivy league institution to engage in an effectiveness study ;).

Personally I'm of primarily a creative mindset so I'm a little biased, and some of this adversity may also be giving up control of the creative environment (that is one's home).  If the investment in staging is the difference betweeen an ROI that is at least five or ten times the cost, it might be worth considering.

Personally, if I walk into two comparably priced homes (regardless of price point), and one has an appeal of the picture above v. one with magnets covering the fridge, toys stacked in piles and such...guess which one my clients are going for.

11:44am • #77

I'm really glad to hear what some agents have to say about staging and I love AR because of that. 

Unlike agents, I have no control over conditions set for the sale like price, availability for showings and work that gets completed after I make recommendations. I am willing to think outside the box and have considered offering other terms besides payment up front, but haven't had a homeowner request that option yet.

I've recently had a home I consulted on sell in 2 days that had been on the market for a few months last year. I would never take all of the credit. It was a different agent and I respect what she brought that homeowner--knowledge to price it right, great photos and much more. But the homeowner made most of the changes I suggested and that has to play a part in the sale. 

The agents I work with don't want to take the time to do my job. It's coordinating colors, surfaces, flooring and more in some cases. Or spending 2 hours in a home for a consultation where I get very specific--hang the picture in the living room on this wall in that bedroom. Consultations, because of the low price, work for any price home.

Staging will never be a tool every agent will use, but does it work? You betcha!

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I was a little surprised at some of the comments on the previous post - things like MY SIGN WILL BE THE ONLY SIGN - as if they are the begin all and end all of the home sale - If an owner wants an additional sign in the yard as the agent working FOR my client who am I to say it can't be done.

I see great value in staging a home - we all want our listings to stand out in the crowd and we often complain about showing houses that are a mess - do ALL homes need staging- no - but for those that need it why fight the fact that there are profesionals out there to help?

12:02pm • #79

I am not sure what the argument is about. It is the real estate agents job to sell the house. All other rolls are secondary to that. Is the guy who fixed the plumbing or did the yard any less important than a the one who stages the home?

12:03pm • #80

Hi Matt, thanks for bringing this up, we professional stagers really love seeing feedback from all directions.

When I first started my staging business (after doing model homes for builders exclusively for 6 years), I definitely considered the option of being paid at closing.  But since I primarily do vacant home staging, it wasn't good business practice to have all of that upfront cost tied up until closing.

So I decided to offer Realtors/Sellers a "deal," which has worked out well so far.  My deal is that I am paid a "deposit," if you will, up front.  Then I ask the Realtor to tell me, of the homes they have listed, what is the average time they are on the market, within the last 12 months  (I ask each Realtor to do this)  Then I say the remainder of my fee is X if the home sells in less time than the average of your other homes are selling, and if the home does not sell in less time, there is no remainder fee due.

The "deposit" is significantly less than what most stagers charge, but it covers my initial costs and gives me a tiny compesation for the hours I put in.  The reason this works is that it forces me to prove myself and my work.  And I only offer this to Realtors, as a partnership deal. 

Now, in this slow market (still very slow here in Salt Lake City), I've only been able to do this deal a few times, but each time it has proven to be beneficial for everyone involved.  Each home sold in less time than the other homes the Realtor had listed. 

I refuse to argue whether or not staging is beneficial, because in reality it depends on how good the staging is, the market, location, etc.  It's a moot point to argue when there are so many stagers out there who frankly don't know what they are doing. :)  I suggest that if someone really wants to know if staging "works" that you only compare the homes that ONE buyer is considering, and see how many buyers choose a staged home over a non-staged home.  In my opinion, that's the only way to tell if staged homes are beneficial, turn to the buyers and ask.

 

 

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Wow, you opened up a 55 gallon drum of worms, but they all still look alive!  Great commentary and debate, and look forward to more, now that I have re-blogged your post...

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Matt, I have done pre-inspections (I would pay up front) on my listings for years but I have stopped that this year unless a home is very aggressively priced simply because it may not sell.  I will apporoach the stagers in my area with this option and see what happens.  I would imagine that because they do not make as much as we do on a transaction that they might not be willing to risk the chance of not getting paid.  It is a good idea in theory, I will see what happens!

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Hi Matt -

Here's the deal:

If a seller complied w/ all our suggestions, we are HAPPY to defer payment. We have a special contract for that purpose. It is asked about, but not used as often as one might think. It is rather strict. After all, I am agreeing to wait for payment on contingency of sale, but if the seller does things that thwart that sale, I could be waiting YEARS.

However, if they are willing to comply, I am happy to wait, because I am 100% confident I won't be waiting long at all. Our average is less than three weeks...WHEN THEY COMPLY.

Case in point: Out of state Seller contacted us (against their agent's vehement stance against staging). They suspected they had a problem and needed diagnosis and assistance. Their house has been on the market 9 + months with nary a nibble. We suggested rectifying about 6 issues varying in cost, from removing a horde of wasps in the portico, removing the bed sheets that were hanging as drapery, down to a glaring issue of a view of a line of church dumpsters through a broken backyard fence.

They did everything, except the #1 problem we diagnosed: a glaring fence/safety/sanitiation/aethetic issue. The agent told them it was not necessary to spend any more money on the house. Never mind the fact that they were carrying two mortgages. 

Traffic picked up tremendously from our efforts, but alas, no offers. Staging is not just for interiors, and this exterior problem was a really rough ride, but we were speaking to deaf ears.

Four months later, I get another call from the sellers. They want an agent recommend, as they have lost confidence in theirs,  and have decided to fix the durned fence.

Voila - sold in two weeks. Stagers + proactive, can-do agents do make a formidable team.

So, waiting if absolutely fine in my book. But I am not waiting on a house that is not fully and completely prepared, with a seller who is not motivated. And, the agent has to come on board.

There is just no way an agent who is actually busy marketing their listings and generating more listings can effectively assist a homeowner to stage as a full-time, professional stager can. It takes vast experience, time, and money to source, purchase, maintain, secure, insure, install, and troubleshoot a fully- or even partially- staged listing. Not to mention all the experience we have in making a budget stretch for repairs and upgrades, with our connections and discounts. Staging is a full time job in and of itself. You need a dedicated team member to stage at the level of quality where staging is at today.

Our experience reflects that is that the lower to mid-priced listings reap the greatest impact when staging. A staged house in a moderate neighborhood flies off the shelf, and seldom suffers a price reduction, low offer, or concessions. 

It shouldn't be about egos or who thinks their efforts "sold" the listing. It should be about agents, sellers, and stagers coming together to make the property really say "Buy Me" at every turn, from excellent presentation to an excellent pricing strategy, to sellers who are willing to listen and do. The agent has the opportunity to make a agent+seller+stager relationship operate as smooth as silk, and get those properties sold at an amazing pace. And when we find those agents that recognize our value in the process, we all win - even the buyer, for they purchase a house that is well-landscaped, super-clean, updated and on-trend, freshly painted, and clearly meets all their functional and aesthetic needs.

We will absolutely wait for our fees and carrying costs. If they agree to sign a contract stating they will follow our every suggestion, to the letter, and keep the property staged that way.

~Michelle

 

 

 

12:25pm • #84

I doubt that we need to add anyone to the listing process but anyone that helps my listings sell is a friend of mine and can put their sign anywhere they want, providing the owner does not object.

I never really gave much credit to a home stager but having had time to think about it they play an important role in the marketing of the property.

I think some people need to use a little more common sense.  Yes it is a personal choice but it seems to me that the goal is the same; to sell the home and generate additional leads.

Why can't we all get along?

12:27pm • #85
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I am blessed to have a stager who does great work at decluttering to enhance the visual approach to home buying, and to vignette empty homes. I am totally for it. He is down on income because he is a furniture and accessory rep for retail stores. i suggest finding these people. They are reasonable and need to augment their diminished income.

12:53pm • #86

There is a slight glitch with waiting for payment through escrow--what if it doesn't close?  What if the seller pulls the listing?  What if it expires and they do not extend with you?  I am a REALTOR as well as a Stager and I used to be gracious and bill for services through escrow.  I lost alot of money for my staging company--I did that as a courtesy for the agents working out of the same office as me.  Our staging fees are extremely reasonable, but just the same, sellers were "reluctant" to up front the money with no guarantee on results (nor do I particularly blame them).  I never made the claim so many stagers do that "staged homes sell for more money and in less time"--who  would EVER make such an ambiguous guarantee?  My thoughts are to offer a payment plan for the home staging and always work within the client's budget. 

Debra Garber
12:54pm • #87

Matt: Thank you for opening this mutually beneficial dialogue! Three points:

It's interesting to me that many Realtors seem to RESENT the way in which they get paid. Erik #49 said: "You commented that Stagers do not charge or get a commission.  That is a business decision." Okay, let's run with that.

1. Realtors make that business decision too. Simply because TRADITIONALLY Realtors are paid in this manner, does not mean it's the best way for them to get paid. Why not start industry-wide campaigns to change the payment method if it's such a sore spot in your profession?

2. If it's so distasteful, why would you recommend others, in this case Stagers, be paid in the same manner?

3. You're correct it is a business decision; one that we DO NOT make in isolation. As Connie graphically illustrated in #65, it's financial suicide for a stager to have thousands of dollars in inventory outlay every month, without it providing an income stream for us. We could not even get a small business loan to finance such a risky endeavor. Nor, would the sources of our furnishing rentals carry those costs on our behalf. I've checked, I know.

The bottom line here is this: The vast majority of us are small (1 person) businesses that do not have the luxury of "deep pockets" to carry our costs. Unless a stager wins the lottery or is handed a wad of cash, there is NO WAY our business would survive for any length of time using YOUR business model.

The comments included in this post that say one could substitute "Stager" for "Realtor" and come out even, illustrates that we as stagers have A LOT of educating to do!

Same end-goal? YES!

Different path to get there? Absolutly!

12:58pm • #88
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I think you have a great idea there! Cooperation between agents and stagers could reap rewards for both - and for the sellers.

 

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By my experience contracting stagers, myself, and the various sub-contractors is a price-point issue ... as Greg (#6) and Brian (#28) articulated (and that price point will vary by region).  I think Brian was spot on .. above a certain level the homes have more than likely been put together by a professional decorator .. so bringing in inventory is not the usual issue as much as editing out distractors and staging the rooms to highlight the best advantage of each room (waaay different than decorating -- but having quality materials already onsite helps, too!)

Generally speaking the homes I work on are all over $500K and the listing agent pays my fee as the floor plans I create for them, embed the photos and upload onto MLS are considered marketing .. not unlike their brochure production or ads in the Sunday newspaper.

 I'm part of a team that the realtor puts into play to get their listings ready ... we all continually meet up with each other on job sites ... painters, plasterers, landscapers, the chandelier-cleaning dude, hardwood floor refinishers, photographers, stagers, videographers ...  the list goes on and on. Not every speciality on every job -- it depends what the property needs to get it ready.  I am paid when the floor plan I create is proofed, approved and then uploaded onto MLS and all the photography links have been tested as correct.

The check is usually paid by the realtor ... although a few times (for HUGE estates) the check was paid by the broker.  I asked one of my realtors once why he paid ... why didn't he ask the Seller to pay and his response was the if he did the Broker would have kittens! This Broker's reputation was one of being all-inclusive .. there's no way you can represent yourself as the "top" listing brokerage for multi-million dollar homes and then charge-back your clientele for marketing materials ... and like all agents at that brokerage, he knew that was the deal going in.

So I try to work with my realtors however I can. I've done partial invoices, I've done deferred payments.  When I was first starting and the price point on the property was much lower,  a newly minted Realtor asked me if I could wait until closing to be paid ... and I just couldn't .. so I told her that.  In her presentation to the Seller she said she wanted very much to use me, but just couldn't afford it ... plain and simple. The Seller saw the demo, and WANTED the product so they worked out a deal,  and the Seller paid my fee up front with the understanding that the Realtor would reimburse them in full at closing.  This particular property sold in 66 days, but we had no way of knowing that at the time.  

There's always a little wiggle room in working through to the mutual goal. Hopefully some of the comments here will help Realtors see (various) sub-contractors less like folks grabbing at their slice of the pie, and more like folks who may have the ability to add the whipped cream and cherry on top.

 

1:11pm • #90

I am both a stager and a REALTOR, however I do not stage every home I list.  Not every home or client is a candidate for staging but it certainly differentiates me in the marketplace.  Staging a home will NEVER compensate for an overpriced listing.  However Staging can be very useful in vacant homes, builder spec homes and higher end homes where the inventory is flush and competition is steep. Staging can also mean several different things, it may be nothing more than recommending decluttering or repainting in a neutral color all the way to renting furniture and accessories.  I also find that having  the conversation with clients can be almost a phsycological test on how ready they really are to sell their house.  At the end of the day in this market are you willing to do what it takes to get your house sold, do you respect me as a professional or are you going to be stubborn and think your way will work better?  It is like anything else just another tool in my toolbox to help me get my job done.

Jennifer Manchester, Grace Realty Group, LLC
1:27pm • #91

Wow...Donna hit this square on the head.  REALTOR and Stager partnering in this manner will not work.  At somepoint, one or the other will get into a power strugggle...I smell a disaster.

1:38pm • #92

I love your blog.  I read the same post and thought...WHAT?  I know that if I were selling my home I would only want the FOR SALE sign in the yard not an advertisement for a staging service.  It puts a stigma on the house saying that I could not stage my own home or could put it in a buyer's mind that the house was so bad before that they had to stage it.  I do not fell that it is a seller's responsibility to advertise for a stager (i.e. put a stager's advertisement in their yard).  Stagers can get great advertising power from word of mouth from happy agents that sell their listings faster and for more money because of the job of the stager.  I do not feel that a stager needs to put a sign out on a property.  It just could put a stigma on a property that is just not needed.  Especially in this market.  Quit worry about signs and do a great job and you will have more referral business than you can handle!

1:39pm • #93

BTW- that is a great picture...but it would not look like that after my dogs got on the furniture for a couple of days :)

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Many times, staging is the reason a house sells.  I know agents who get listings because they add to their list of services a staging consultation.

1:41pm • #95
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Matt -- I like the idea of a commission based pay! (Especially since my friend, Annie Pinsker-Brown of Stage to Sell in Los Angeles just staged a home which had 18 offers and sold for over $136k asking price.)  :-)  I bet she'd like that too!

As far as the usefullness of staging, for those who don't believe staging works, a picture is worth 1,000 words...

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Go check out prices at your local store for generic beer (or the cheapest), then check out Corona. Last time I checked, the cheapo sold for 4.5 cents an ounce. Corona -- 12.5 cents an ounce. Look at each photo and take a moment to think about what images and feelings are conjured up in your mind. Which would you purchase? Which would you rather be seen purchasing and consuming? Would you pay more for the Corona? (Humor me on this one if you don't drink beer -- you get the point, right?)

I'm surprised experts in marketing real estate would argue with the tried and true principal of packaging a product to sell. How can you argue that effective packaging doesn't work when BILLIONS of dollars are invested in packaging products each year? How is real estate any different?

Having been in new home sales and real estate for many years before starting my staging company, I KNOW the benefits of staging. The top producing agents we work with know it, too. Check out some of our testimonials from Realtors and sellers to see what I'm talking about. 

A good stager does much more than make your listings look better. If you need more information on how to partner with your stager to market and grow your business, send me an e-mail and I'll fill you in. We do it every day and our agents love us for it.  We're all after the same thing -- to grow our businesses, delight our clients and sell more homes! Why would anyone be at odds?

 

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Quite the discussion going on here, nicely done Matt!

Being an ASP and a Realtor, I feel staging has its place in the home selling process, but should be secondary to the home itself. I won't bore you with my take on staging, you can read my comment on Cathy's post here. I have however, noticed many people saying that staging doesn't help to sell the home quicker or for more money (usually Realtors), while most Stagers say otherwise. The following blurb is from Barb Schwarz's (The Queen of Staging) own AR blog and the StagedHomes.com web site:

"According to data gathered between November, 2008, and May, 2009, 94.8% of ASP Staged Homes sell on average in 37 days or less compared to 182 days on the market for non-Staged homes. To further show proof of the positive results of Staging, ASP Staged home spend 80% less time on the market than a non-Staged home."

It makes no mention of selling for more money, although it used to, if memory serves me. Also, my research has found several stager's web sites that quote the following statistic:

"U.S. Housing and Urban Development reports that a staged home sells, on average, 17% higher than non-staged homes." (Some web sites quote 6.9% rather than 17%).

Unfortunately, none of the web sites I looked at provided a link to confirm those statistics, nor does HUD show those stats anywhere on their site, that I could find. I did, however find this chart that shows the 6.9% selling price increase being based on a StagedHomes.com survey from 2004-2005, not on anything stated by HUD.

So, does staging help homes sell faster? Probably. Does it garner a higher sales price? Maybe. Without further research and some hard data to substantiate the claim, it's hard to say. It would be nice if Barb Schwarz would drop by and give her take on the subject, or maybe write a post about it.

Sorry Matt, this was a tad off-topic and I didn't mean to hijack your post!

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I agree with some of the comments, not every home needs to be staged.  I do honestly believe it is totally necessary in some homes & adds to it's appeal. I for one know that everytime I walk into a model home that has been staged to the hilt I fall in love.  Very fast love & want to buy the home + all the accessories.  Other folks find it easier to see their stuff in a home that doesn't have "stuff" in it.  It's just a matter of preference. 

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I am having a funky home staged as I type. Furniture was delivered today and I'll see my stager's magic tomorrow.

This property is in a PRIME location and school district. The lot is 3x the normal size of the subdivision. Problem? It has 2 bedroom and 1.5 baths - no garage. The half bath is shared with the heating unit, hot water heater and stackable washer/dryer.

I truly believe in staging. I'll let you know how this works out and may post some before/after photos.

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Matt, it's great to see this conversation and the ideas being bounced around.  I will go away after this one last space hogging comment!

I wanted to address Erik's #49 comment.  I TOTALLY agree with 99% of what he said in that comment.  It is precisely the reason I have issues with the attitude and comments made about Stagers.  Yes, I hit back at realtors with this attitude but I definitely do not color them all with the same brush.  I have dealt with some great realtors in my time and I respect what they do and the way they make their living especially in uncertain times.  As you say Erik, it's a business decision.

I am not the "Ana Staging Show" I consider myself part of a team. A team that is all after the same goal...make the seller happy by helping them achieve a fair outcome for them, the agent and yes even the buyer.  More often than not I am a team with the homeowner only and not an agent, why?... well you see  some of the comments on the previous post about yard signs.

It's the last sentence I disagree with Erik.  Debra #88 put it very well.  Yes, it is a business decision.  It's my business to make that decision and if I didn't view it that way I would not still be in business.  Many other Stagers have gone out of business because of cost outlays not thought out properly and some other things out of their control.  Each and every business owner must do what is best for them. 

Some Stagers can afford to operate with that risk, some not.  Some want to, I do not.  There are too many variables out of my control to make this a risk I want to take.  Does that make me less reputable or less invested in the outcome?  I say no.  How would I get new business if I had that reputation.   It would dry up as word spreads quickly with all the avenues out there for dissatisfied consumers.

I recently posted a blog titled What Do You Want From Us?  I got not one realtor comment even though posted in the realtor groups.  A posting about a Stager's sign gets close to 200 comments, some that really ripped into Stagers.  I hoped for this discussion by posting what I did in that blog, I am glad it came about one way or another. I guess some of my questions have been answered, but many more not. 

Thanks for letting me take up space Matt.

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Hey Matt,

Great post! However , weather a home stager is useful is not relevant. The problem is , should Cathy's sign be posted in the yard as well as the real estate agent?

I still say it should because home stagers have a right to advertise their business the best way they see fit. The agent does not have the authority to tell a home stager where and when to set up their advertising material , and so in this respect I agree with you , they should strive to work together.

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Like Michele Kurlich, the Raleigh home stager, above, we get a lot of business directly from homesellers. And like Michele, many don't have a listing agent on board. I always refer listing agents that refer us to their clients. I think those agents are on the cutting edge of marketing their listings and know that putting a home on the market is like entering it in a beauty contest. The best looking homes in the best condition sell fastest, price being equal. That seems like a no-brainer to me.

This week we staged a home with a very awkward layout. The house had been on the market for 6 months with another listing agent who thought she could do a better job than a professional home stager. I'm still scratching my head that she staged the living room in the master bedroom and put the master bedroom in a tiny secondary bedroom. By the time we were done, the house was completely transformed and looked adorable. Every room was defined and had a purpose. The new listing agent's jaw dropped when she saw it. We both feel it will sell quickly now.

I stage $300K condos to $3.5M estates. I do not offer payment at the close of escrow as an option. There are too many aspects of the sale of the home that are out of the stager's control. I have to pay my vendors for the furniture upon delivery and I have payroll to meet every week. I have too many homes staged at any one time to be able to float a loan to the sellers. Also, once the house is staged and I've delivered my professional quality photographs to the listing agent for marketing, my work is done and I expect to be paid. I do accept credit card payment in special circumstances, which allows the home owner to spread out the payments with the credit card company if they can't afford to pay in one lump sum.

I think the acceptance of staging is a regional thing. Thankfully, staging is generally highly regarded and an accepted part of the home selling process in Los Angeles where I work. I think the rest of the country will eventually come around as more and more home sellers and home buyers embrace and expect it.

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The only problem I see with the concept of staging getting paid on commission at the close is that the stager cannot control the price the seller and agent choose to enter the market; and they cannot control the marketing that is used.  In my opinion, that would work for me as a stager, but its a good concept for a stager and realtor to use if they have a good relationship and the realtor is known for strong pricing and marketing.

As a realtor, my stager is my favorite person!!!  With her team's help, I averaged 45 closings a year since we started doing business together 3 years ago.  It's always the sellers' choice on whether they will stage or not, but 70% of my sellers choose to stage and they are ALWAYS the first ones to sell. For the 30% that choose not to, it usually is a price issue but they typically still attempt what they can (decluttering, painting) and may choose not to do the accessorizing or showcasing.  The problem with do it yourselfers is that they don't always capture it the way a professional does.  Don't give up. Keep looking for the right stager who can bring you real results.  I have also found that sellers that are better educated about the marketing process (HGTV, realtor, stager) are more likely to stage or at least take the steps to get the property in better condition (paint/carpet, etc).

 It's hard to ignore the results for me so I do pre-sell to my seller before my stager meets with them.  I have lots of before and after samples along with list to sale ratio for staged and unstaged properties.  I definitely think choosing the right stager has something to do with this as I have seen lots of bad examples of staging in my market.  Just like realtors, not all stagers are created equal.   

4:32am • #103

Staging is something that has not caught on in my area. And the main reason is price. The stagers that I have encountered here charge sellers thousands of dollars and in addition the seller is required to pay any rental fees. In this economy that is a very hard sell. I think that a deferred payment would definitely help here because that is a lot of money for something the sellers are not sure will work. I see the value of staging especially in vacant homes but in my area the sellers don't always see it.

I also wanted to suggest that stagers consider thinking outside of the box. For example, a few years ago I was going to start staging my vacant listings especially new construction. I couldn't afford to rent furniture so I went to a local furniture store and had a deal worked out that they would supply the furnishings if they were allowed to place a small tasteful tentcard & business cards in the house stating furnishing provided by... If the home sold, I would pay them a fee based on the number of days the furnishings were used. If the buyers bought the furniture in the house or purchased a certain amount of furnishings from them then the fee was waived. If it didn't close, they came and got the furniture and I paid them a delivery fee. The furniture co. was willing to do this with the hopes that they would gain business from the buyers viewing the home. There were other details that are too much to go into here but you get the point. I ended up getting too busy to follow through and do this but this is just one idea of many if you think outside the box. I know this idea may not work in all areas(need to have a small local business) but I wanted to share what is possible. In this scenario, it would be no problem to let the seller pay at closing.

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Matt,

I think your solution has some great potential! I personally think it depends on the home. Some homes will present nice with some just simple clean up and I think some will sell for much more and faster with staging. I really feel it is a case by case situation. In showing homes, what I have found is that some people can visualize and some cannot. It is that simple!!! So, I think the staging really aids those who cannot see the potential in that home so I think that ups the odds of people who would want to own the home. Having a percentage is a good solution to help the sellers that need it.

 Example

I took a client to a house (great home) but he just didn't like it. I tried to get him to see the potential but it was pointless. I took him to another home after a period of time which was identical in every way except the decor and upgrades. He fell in love with the home and to date it is one of his favorites(he has looked at ALOTof homes). We wrote an offer. The only difference.... the presentation of the home and some upgrades in molding and flooring. This shows me that indeed, staging does help those who do not have vision to see what it can be! I definitely see the difference of the reaction of my buyers in regards to a well put together home and I do think it has a positive effect on their opinion of the home.

 

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Michele - You think it's the economy, I say it would happen in any economy.  Sellers are bombarded with all this paperwork and getting ready for the sale.  They're worried the home won't sell fast enough.  They can't predict the future, much like we (agents and stagers) can't.  By easing the burden upfront, we take a risk, but our rewards can be greater down the line.  I think one of the biggest reasons the commission based model exists in real estate is because we can't "win them all."  We have listings that we lay out money for that don't get sold for one reason or another.  We lose that money.  The commission based model helps spread those costs out over many homes.  It's not the sole reason for commission, but I do believe it's a part of it.

Dan - I don't recommend anyone going in without an idea of the costs.

Lisa - That's a big part of my theory.  We both then have a reason to get the home sold.  While I wouldn't expect a stager to come to me and say "let's list it at this price," I would love their input on the price we're shooting for.  It would allow stagers and agents to work together and build a team effort instead of "drop your furnuture off and then get out of my way while I sell this house."

Pat - The blog post I mention in my post got a little touchy I felt and that's what caused the title.  The topic was slightly different, but I do see a disconnect between the two groups.

Beverly - I fail to see how paying up front keeps everyone motivated.  How does it keep the stager motivated?  Does it motivate the seller or potentially open them up for disappoint if the house isn't selling?  Paying on the back end keeps us motivated as agents.  I don't want to work for three months only to find I've been fired and another agent is stepping in and getting benefits from my marketing.  So that keeps me working hard on each listing.  When you know you're (as a stager) not getting paid up front, wouldn't you be more apt to swing by the home and freshen things up - check in on your work?  Wouldn't you be more apt to call the agent and discuss how the home is doing on the market and perhaps come up with a new plan between the two of you?  Perhaps you both missed a key point that now you want to stress?  I see it as a great motivator and a huge benefit to the seller.

Terrie - Bad day?  Well I hope today is better than yesterday then!  I don't think that any one thing sells a home - staging, pricing, marketing, buyer's agent, seller's agent...it's a combined force of many different factors.  Any one of them can make the transaction happen faster, but credit must be given to the other parts of the whole.

Erik - I see your point about it possibly stifling competition, but real estate itself can do that to agents.  Coming in as a new agent, I had little cash (other than my personal reserve to pay the bills) to spend, but I made it work as best I could.  Now I'm closing more deals and working more, so the money is a little better.  I'm still not where I want to be, but it's growing.  I think people who are running businesses (stager, agent, etc.) need to be prepared for the long haul.  If you can't step up to the plate with a plan and the cash to back it, maybe it's not time to step up just yet.  I do see how the stagers have some larger financial burdens, but instead of hearing "we couldn't do it," I'd like to hear how maybe they could.  The idea was to generate the thought process to see if someone couldn't make this work and perhaps test it out.

Ana - Sorry to hear it's a sore subject for you.  I'm actually looking at the big picture here and trying to find a way to bring in more business to a stager and a new source of marketing for the agents.  I think there are "snakeoil salesmen" in your business.  Guess what, though?  I know for a fact that we have them in mine.  And in the lending industry.  And the inspection industry.  And, and, and.  They're all over in many businesses.  It's unfortunate.  We agents are constantly battling the "bad seeds" that spoil our image and reputation.  I know what I do is good and right.  I know some other's wouldn't agree with me.  You said:

Like Michele the majority of my business comes from homeowners without prompting from a realtor.

That's good to know.  But what if you could increase your business from a partnership of the type I suggest.  What if we had a 80% return rate on listings/stagings with a dual presentation.  What if it made your business boom (and if it's already "booming" then perhaps "supernova")?  Would it be a worthwhile idea to look at?  That's what I'm getting at here.  This isn't a solid idea.  It's open for a plan to be formed around it.  It's open for discussion to see if maybe we can't create the next generation of staging/selling.  Years ago, most people would laughed you out of the door - staging just didn't really exist.  Now it's a word that everyone knows, but not everyone knows how to do.  By creating a (possibly) new plan and business model, perhaps the industry to go to new heights?

Erik - As I said in my email to you.  This is my blog, but it's everyone's forum.  I want to see stuff like what you did (replying to other commenters).  Please don't ever stop that.

Chris - Agents aren't obsolete.  I know they are part of the puzzle (I'm certainly not trying to kill my own business, just expand it).  Termites, mold, water, obsolescence - I'm not asking stagers to take any of that on.  I'm just asking them  to do what they do best.  Have an eye for details that I and the sellers might not see.

Christine - I think that phrase is the real estate phrase of the year!  I hear it all the time, hate to hear it because of that, but it does have meaning.  Stagers (not all of them) seem to say, but I carry to much on a month to month basis.  We all do.  It takes money to make money and although I can see where their costs could skyrocket on a lengthy listing, I think there should be a way to balance it.

Roland - Go TEAM!

Carla - I think many people are "wise" to staging, good photos, and well crafted descriptions.  I also think many people still get caught up in the home's look more than they should.  Even I'm guilty of it at times.  I can see the house is a gem, but that hideous wallpaper just turns me off.  Staging does give a visual and immediate response.

Lenn - But the staging can keep someone's attention on the home longer than it might have kept it had it not been staged (or cleaned, or de-stinkified, or had the windows fixed after vandals broke them, etc.).  We are visual creatures in many ways and I think the added touch of staging can help people see it as a home.  My living room was great when I saw the house.  When I moved it?  I found it awkward and not what I had hoped it was based on what it looked like furnished.

Fernando - I agree.  No one single person or factor is the cause of the sale in my eyes.  It takes a culmination of forces to meet at the right moment in time.  We just help those forces meet.

Chris - Having seen Stephanie's work, I know what you're saying.  She is good.  You're lucky.  Me, I don't have that eye for it like she does.  Bringing in other parties to build a team effort is what I'm after.  Of course, if you didn't have Stephanie, I think you'd probably hire someone just like her to do what she does for your team.  Lucky for you, you've got her, because I'd hate to have to talk to Christopher and Esmerelda.  I like Stephanie just as she is!

Karen - You're next, but I have to run to a few showings.  Sometimes writing posts that get featured is hard work, because then I have to read and reply more!  I love it!

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This sounds like a great solution, though I don't know many stagers who would be willing to try it.  Staging in vacant, expensive homes certainly seems worth while to me.

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Technology is moving so quickly, there is also now an alternative online solution (in Houston). While it will never replace the experience of standing in the room,  it does address many of the concerns voiced by both stagers and realtors. Namely, cost... effort to stage the home... concern for the inventory used to stage the home .. and length of time of the staging.  I'm referring to online floor plans custom created for the property that have the added feature of allowing people to select furniture icons off of a menu .. size them to suit their needs .. and float them across the top of the floor plan.

Most people have a hard time visualizing and conceptualizing space and a goodly percentage of them are not as concerned with seeing furniture in the room as seeing how THEIR furniture fits in the room. So they can do endless "what ifs" anonymously ... online ... right off the MLS listing to see if the property will fit their needs. This is all new ... but what we're finding is the more time people spend on the site arranging furniture and doing "what ifs" they seem to be forming an emotional attachment to the space and move more quickly to seeing it as "their home".  Very interesting stuff that is developing...  Realtors report potential buyers are showing up to see the home with print-outs ... and now go thru the property referring to notes they have scribbled in the margin ... cool stuff.

 

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Greetings from Round Rock, Matt:
Thanks for opening up this discussion - I will admit that I quit reading replies in the 90's, but wanted to put my business practices into the ring.  Also, the tone of this blog is a lot better than the Stager's Signs blog that you linked to above.  I can't believe the egos on both sides of the fence there, so I refrained from commenting there all together.

First off: I have heard rumors of Agents who ask for a retainer up front - don't know any personally, but wonder what their opinion would be on this issue.  I have also heard of REALTORs adding an "administrative fee" into closing docs, usually several hundred dollars.  I'm not judging these people: I'm just pointing out that some times you have to take a look at your business plan and evaluate what's working.  Then, think out of the box for new ideas on how to be more profitable.

Stager vs REALTOR: 
As corny as it sounds, I look to develop partnerships with REALTORs - to be part of a team, where we all have one goal: Sell that Darn House!  Sounds simple enough.  I get calls all the time from REA's who want to pay at close, want 1/2 price staging, Free Consults, etc... all based on how they are the next upcoming Top Agent in Texas.  [I'm guessing they've all just read "Millionaire REA" or applied to Max Factor or whatever it's called, but that's another blog]  And the answer is always: Sorry, but No. 

I am in the business of providing a service that has value and I deserve to be paid for my time.

That all being said, I am a flexible man, and always willing to work with existing clients to find new ways of doing business.  I am currently running a pilot program with a local Team where I provide free consultations to home owners who find me via the web, and then agree to meet with my 'preferred agent'.  We're still working on the compensation plan, but who wouldn't like a regular stream of leads of people who are 99% likely to list their house in the near future?  And an assurance that you will get your face in front of these owners?  What would that be worth to your business?

Would I accept payment at Close?  Not normally. If it was for services provided after my initial consultation, and only for the right client...like the Team I mention above. Why them? They will not take a listing that is over priced.  They insist on my services being provided immediately.  And they hold sellers responsible for the condition of their home during showings.  If sellers are not committed to the listing, and just want to "test the waters", they pass.  All of this translates to: They're a Team Player who values my part in the process.

As a small-business owner, if we're working together, and you pay your bills on time, I'll try any thing once to see if it brings in more business or helps make both of us some money. There - I said it again - I'm in this to make money.  But I am not looking to try new things with every REA who can find my company on the Internet.  I am paid at time of service - if our personalities click, and we work well together, let's ask: How can we help each other make more money this year?

Lastly, I've read several comments here and elsewhere that state Price sells homes.  Well - I suppose.  I mean, you can sell any delapitated piece of junk if you get the price low enough. I was shown a nice graphic from Gary Keller by a K/W agent regarding Market Price and Condition... And as a result, I'm a believer that a house that is:

  • In Good Repair
  • Clean and Clutter Free
  • Professionally Staged
  • Priced to current market conditions

will spend less time on the market.  And those who only believe that "it's all Price" will be the one losing money for their sellers via price reductions.

The Stage Coach - Austin Home Stager

P.S. - I emailed this to another A/R Home Stager who has a partnership with a high-volume Broker and has some amazing results in the Lead to List, List to Close as a result of their teaming up.  I encouraged her to send over her 2x Cents.

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In case you missed the update to the post (in the body of the post):

**UPDATE** - Erica Christoffer from realtor.org contacted me and wrote a post about this post, "Should Real Estate Pros and Stagers Join Forces?"  Thanks to everyone for commenting on it and being a part of the discussion.  As soon as I get to answering all the comments, I may just have to write a follow up using some of the ideas I'm building thanks to all the comments.

This has generated a lot of responses (and good quality responses), so I'm quite excited.  It's taking a lot of time to get back to everyone, but I am determined.  I want to thank everyone for all their input and some of the bits and pieces have me thinking a little deeper about this, so I may write another post that further refines my idea.  I hope you'll all return for that as well.

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Karen - My "can't we all get along" title comes mainly from what I saw in the post I mentioned by Cathy Dick.  I sensed some animosity from many in the comments and it kind of shocked me.  I have seen (personally) some stagers be very defensive with me for talking about this idea with them.  I think some stagers suffer from a sort of self-esteem issue (wow that's going to cause fireworks, but hear me out) with their business.  Because they're not fully "accepted" by some, they tend to have to defend themselves and their business (mainly to Realtors® it seems...and trust me, I've seen my own do it as well...just ask a Realtor® about a FSBO some day - some of the responses can be quite worse).  Please don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing stagers, I'm saying what I see that would affect them and make them come across as defensive (just look at that post to see what I mean...and know that the Realtors® were also doing it, I'm just talking stagers here).  Ok, now that I've opened up a can of worms...

Can you imagine how a small company that is just a simple contractor could survive if they were not doing monthly billings for these carrying costs?

I'm not sure I can fully back you on this.  Why?  We're all small companies too.  It's not easy.  Real estate takes a lot of time and money to get going to a point where you're truly making a living.  I'm not complaining, just stating the facts.  We all have to invest in our business and sometimes we have to decide not to take on more because of the expense.  I'd love to have 100 listings right now, but even if I had them offered to me on a silver tray, I couldn't take them all.  Why?  Cost.  And I'm trying to suggest that you (as an industry) move past your "simple contractor" status.  You can be much bigger than you are.  You just have to take some risks and perhaps a leap of faith.  Of course, this is all my thoughts, so perhaps I'm wrong.  But I'd be willing to test it out.

As for tracking all your closings, you're job on that wouldn't be hard.  Since you and the agent were working hand in hand, they would tell "Oh, House B went under contract - things are looking good."  You submit your paperwork (claiming your commission/fee) to the title company and voila - you get a check when it closes.  You wouldn't have to call the seller everyday to find out if their house sold or anything like that.  And I as an agent, would take care of most of it for my stager.  Making sure the paperwork is filed with title and such.  Telling them when we're under contract.  Letting them know if the transaction fell through.  Real estate agents do a lot of coordination - that's a big part of our jobs.

Kathy - I'm trying to rethink the strategy for vacant homes, since I do see the cost of the invetory being most stagers biggest sticking point.  I'm not sure I have a great solution for that yet.  I am excited to hear your thoughts on it for the occupied homes though!  Perhaps we need to find you an agent in Atlanta and see if we can't get an experiment going.  I think you could push your business to a new level, especially since you said most of your business is vacant homes.  This might be the key to opening up a new market for you.  C'mon real estate agents - who's game to work with Kathy in Atlanta?  You can all call me idiot if my idea fails to produce results.  Of course, it's not going to be easy to get something like this "sold" to clients at first, but I think if you can show them, they might see the value in it.  As with everything, it's about showing them the value.

P.S. If you ever move to San Antonio, I'm taking you up on this offer!

P.P.S. The "disclaimer" on your site should be on every stager site (if it's true of course) - "All photos shown on this website are TRUE photos of the work of Georgia Interior Solutions.  No purchased photos nor pictures from catalogs are included here.  Photos of staged rooms are true illustrations of our work."  I have wondered at times if some photos on sites I had seen were "real" or not.

Gary - I'm hoping it can be ironed out at the listing presentation.  A unified team is what I'm after.

Donna - I see what you're saying in your comment, but the same could be said for an agent on most of those points.  Pricing has nothing to do with me after I've shown the comps and given my advice and opinions, I am responsible for advising and helping, but they are the ones that have the money invested in this house.  Of course, if the seller is unrealistic, I can walk - and will.  We have no control over whether a seller will vacuum their rugs once a week or clean up the dishes or pick up after Spot makes a boo-boo in the living room.  I can't make a seller do anything.  I can advise.  You don't have control over how I will market the listing.  But you can be sure that if we were partners, I would be talking to you long before the listing and giving you ideas on how I would go about it and listening to you ideas if you offered them.  Maybe some agents might not want to play this way, but there are plenty out there that believe in teamwork.  As for #4, welcome to the world of a real estate agent.  This is why I think this business model could thrive.  You would have a vested interest in the home, much as I do and would work hard to help it sell.  If that meant a few extra trips to the home - maybe that would help.  This is why I proposed commission based pay for you - and risk based pricing which is (in my opinion) part of the core of why Realtors® work on commission rather than flat fees.  If we were guaranteed that every listing we took would sell and the sellers wouldn't dump us, I bet you'd see a lot more flat fees.  Why?  Simple, the commission rate smooths out the bumps and bruises of not selling a home. I'm not saying that's the only reason for a commission based model, but I do believe it's a part of it.  #4 is obviously a big deal to the stagers and it's something we deal with all the time as agents.  I've heard some stagers say "well that's how you chose to do it."  Fair enough, but I truly think that there could be a benefit in it for your business model as well.

Bob - And that is exactly the problem I'm trying to solve.  I'm frustrated because my sellers never want to even consider staging - because of the cost.  I've had some great listings that sold quick and I am lucky for having those, but I bet I could have done better with them with a little bit of staging.  I'm not trying to "save the stagers," I'm trying to build my business...they get the benefits too!  By partnering in this almost symbiotic relationship, we both could grow our businesses in a way that I don't think we're quite expecting.

Irene - I don't look at stagers in the same line as inspectors, exterminators, or any of the other "trades."  I see them as marketers.  They are a vital piece to my puzzle if used correctly.  Not to say the "trades" aren't, but all of that is much more behind-the-scenes (awaiting Charles Buell's hand to slap me for that comment!).

More later....

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Matt:  Thanks for introducing such a great topic for consideration and discussion.  I've long thought that there has to be room for a strong marriage between different branches of the real estate industry ... realtor, stager ... and mortgage lender regarding the usage of staging services.  I introduced the question and topic a while back in one of my own blogs.  When "teamed" together, I believe that all could benefit. 

I agree with the comment made regarding the importance of marketing concepts when selling a home.  It's said that you have only about 15 seconds before someone forms an impression of a human ... why would a home be vastly different? While it is true that staging cannot guarantee a sale, it surely can make a potential buyer more receptive and set a positive mood while touring the property.

I applaud the great discussion you have initiated and hope that good useful ideas grow from it ... ideas that will help seller's properties move more quickly and stimulate more income for all of us within our industry. I'll continue to follow this discussion in the day ahead ...     

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Hi Matt,  Great post and great suggestion about Realtor and Stager teaming up with payment for each's services at closing. There are no guarantees in life nor are there any for selling a home. Thanks for your post.

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In my experience the more expensive the house and the more dated the furniture and the style - the more useful staging becomes. 

In my opinion staging can add zero to hundreds of thousands to a sale price in an up market. 

However in a down market - price, square footage and showings seem to take on even greater importance.

I suspect staging becomes less important as do upgrades of limited function such as molding.

You can stage a house all you want - very few appraisers are going to price it up. 

Staging may help you sell, but its not going to change the underlying value much.

 

John McConnin
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I haven't had time to read all the comments, but I will later. I'm TRYING to be on a mini-vacation.

Had a recent "incident" with a home stager, so I'm curious to read others comments about stagers being paid up front.

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I'm back...

Cynthia - I think the big stumbling block seems to involve the vacant homes.  I guess my thinking is that if a stager has a ton of inventory in vacant homes, this would be a great way to build the owner-occupied side of the business and if done well and successful, the stager with some saavy planning, could tuck away enough money to bring this theory into the vacant side.

Kathy - Interesting that you've had no takers.  I wonder if the two-person listing presentation might help.  You never know how an agent is presenting your offer of service to the sellers.  I do like your idea of perhaps a deposit for those homes that need inventory placed in them.  That might help offset the stagers running cost and still make it feasible for the seller.  Great comments and thanks for the re-blog!

Connie - Checked out your post - that's not good at all.  I guess a big part of this would be a certain trust level between you and the agent.  I certainly wouldn't go about moving your things around, that's why I paid you in the first place!  As for the carrying of costs, I do see the point, but I'm trying to see a solution.  Plenty of companies carry inventory costs month over month, so perhaps taking a look at those businesses we could figure this out for a viable solution for stagers.  Ask an agent with a large listing inventory how they do it - those are real costs carried every month (in addition to the costs of keeping the business running - MLS fees, websites, advertising, upgrades on sites like realtor.com and Trulia, etc.).  We all have carriable costs that we must bear, the key is to finding how to balance that with a larger volume of business (which I think the partnership will help provide) and better turn around (selling the houses).

Michael - After reading the post I mentioned in my post, that was a big part of it to me.  There seems to be a disconnect between us at times and I'd like to figure out where that is, how to bridge it, and make the staging business more useful to sellers and agents.  I don't think all agents will use stagers, must like not all of us will advertise in a magazine.  We're all different and run our businesses differently.

Knightyme - By all means the seller is part of the equation.  I just sold two homes recently where the sellers did everything in their power to help get their house sold and it was a great experience for all of us.  Both homes sold for asking price (one sold for more) in periods of time that is shorter than the average in their neighborhood.  I give those sellers a lot of credit for it too.  As I said in the post, "It would take trust and teamwork between Realtor®, stager, and seller, but I think the return in stronger in the end."

Bill - I definitely think that the homes that need staging the most are often the ones who can afford it the least.  That's where this business model could be the answer.  Helping people sell their homes, bringing more business to the stagers, and giving an agent an edge over other agents and a much more sellable home to work with.

Kathy - I think you need to read the post and the comments.  That's exactly where this proposal is going.

Tom - I don't mind the idea of agents paying the consultation and then letting the sellers decide if they want it or not.  But here's the stumbling block (again) - the sellers are looking at an estimate now and think "Nah, we'll just do the little stuff for free."  The stager has now made $100-$200, the sellers don't really have the full benefits of staging, and we're back to the usual way of selling homes.  I want to push this to a new level for all involved.

Bill - I'm not much of an interior decorator (any stager want to design my house?), so I'll leave that to someone with a better eye for it.  I can give the basic suggestions, but nothing that would make the home look amazing.

Gene - I think there's a psychology at work here.  Being paid after we successfully do our job (agents) could work for the stagers as well.  Stagers technically did their work already, but in reality, the sellers are seeing staging not as the product of staging, but the results of staging.  By not seeing results and having to pay the bill, I think there is a mental stumbling block placed on using the service.

Barbara - What an excellent comment!  Thanks for taking the time to really look at this and analyze it.  You're right on a key point, this would not work as a general offer to agents from a stager.  This is why I suggested a partnership between the stager and agent.  I don't know if an exclusive agreement would work between them or they would both be free to work with multiple partners, but it's definitely a one-on-one deal in terms of the "team" for any particular home.  I would never suggest that the stager just cast out the net and see who comes back.  You need to vet your agents as much as the agents have to vet their stagers.  Neither of us wants to work with someone who isn't working out.  I know we both (as industries) have our bad seeds and unfortunately I don't think that's ever going to end (as much as I'd like it to).  Of course, by partnering as a team, we are creating a unit that can build their respective businesses together.  I see this as mutually exclusive benefits.

P.S. It seems like the Atlanta contingent of stagers is a little more open to this idea so far.  Perhaps we can build a test market there?

Gary - You are correct in the tangibility of our benefits (agent and stager).  Until that house is sold, no one sees the benefit (although you can visually see the staging).  I'm not sure a mechanic's lien would help sell the idea of staging to a seller.  I know it's a possibility, but I think that might scare off the seller more than an upfront cost.

Greg - Model homes are great proof that people like to see the visual of a decorated home.

Lisa - We are the Ivy League Institution in this case!  We have the power to try it and see if it flies.  As for control and giving it up, I think this is an issue that the stager or agent needs to evaluate for themselves.  I am fine with giving up control to the experts in a field as long as I know they are ones that I trust.  I can be a control freak, but recognize that the stager is there to do their job...because I can't.  So I relinquish my power to them for that.  I also think that there could be control issues over the "team effort," but I think that would occur anytime you put two people together and they don't trust each other and value what the other does.  I would willingly talk to a stager I was partnered with about price, outside marketing, etc. in order to be sure we're on the same track and open things up to discussion.  Although a stager is not an agent, they've been around enough houses to know a thing or two.  It's the same idea as "I'm not an inspector," but I know some of the things they're looking for and going to spot.

Cathy - This is where the partnership comes in.  You need to be a part of the team and trust (and communicate) with the agent.  Let's create an example.  You and I have partnered in my plan.  We're going to list a home that I think is worth between $150,000 and $160,000.  During our presentation, the sellers begin to dislike the price and tell us that.  They want to list it for $190,000.  What do we do?  I don't know what you would do, but I know what I would do.  If they're being adamant, I would have to thank them for their time and pack my stuff and go.  I am not going to take that listing, because I know it's not going to sell and they'll wind up disappointed in me, let me go and my investment in time and money will be gone.  And sellers talk to other people.  I don't need a seller telling everyone how I'm a terrible agent because I couldn't sell their over-priced listing.  There are plenty of agents who will take that listing.  Not me.  Those are the agents you need to seek out.  As a team, I would make you aware of my thoughts on the property and I would expect your thoughts in return.  We would need to have the same vision in order to sell this house, so if we're not agreeing, we need to rethink the listing.

Malita - I too was a bit shocked by some of the comments on that post.  It's what got me thinking.  There will always be those that don't like or use staging, that's fine, but some of the comments seemed a little hostile at times.

James - It's my job to sell the home, contractually that is true.  But do I think that I'm the only one involved in the process and I am the be all, end all of the sale?  No.  My sellers play a huge role in the sales of their own homes and I make that very clear to them.  I need them as much as they need me.

April - I love your deal that you offer.  It makes perfect sense.  I have in the past considered a "sliding scale" of sorts myself.  You pay me X% to sell your home in Y amount of days.  If we pass further beyond Y days, then the X% begins to decrease.  It's a risky model in some regards, because if I get a home that isn't selling, my costs increase to try and get it sold.  There is a point where $Z marketing costs and X% commission wind up canceling each other out and I make zero (or lose money).  I haven't figured out how to implement it properly yet, but I may experiment with it in the future.

Since stagers are offering a service that is being done to help sell the home, your idea helps "put your money where you mouth is."  I know not all stagers will say that their homes sell quicker than the average, but it is an implied result of staging (whether intentional or not).  Your concept helps show that you're willing to do just that - work to get the home sold fast.

Cheryl - This post has received a lot of attention thanks to people like you!  Thanks for the re-blog.

Damon - Looking forward to seeing what happens for you!  Make sure you report back for all of us.

Michelle - I see your point about your contract, but I wonder if that creates a wall between you and getting the job (sometimes, obviously you've done it).  Here's why I say that.  I've seen the real estate business model of "if it doesn't sell, I'll buy your house" or "if it doesn't sell, my services are free."  Typically, there is a strict contract that lays out what the seller must do to comply.  Price reductions happen at set times and are mandatory.  I've spoken to a few sellers who were approached with this concept and didn't like it much because of the forced nature of what was happening.  The word "comply" is a very strong word as well and as a seller, I wouldn't enjoy hearing it and it might make me a bit wary.

Russell - I was semi-against the sign at first.  Not for any egotistical reasons, but just from a marketing standpoint.  The "oh that house has a glossy cover, so we might get fooled into thinking it's a gem when it's really not" kind of feeling from buyers.  Buyers can be critical with things like that.  I have had buyers balk at a freshly painted home, because they thought it looked like they might be covering something up (and inspectors will put that right on the report too).  As I build my theory, I'm wondering if maybe I'm not so against it.  Perhaps we could even build signs together.  I've seen it done with lenders and agents, perhaps there's something there.  Dual marketing helps defray costs, builds a team environment, and could benefit both agent and stager.  I'll have to give that some more thought.

Joe - My wife had the idea to partner with local design schools.  Almost as an internship.  What young up and coming stager wouldn't want a shot at making money and working on their skills.  Of course, they'd have to be decent to begin with, as you wouldn't want to just throw a bunch of test cases at your sellers.  It could be mutually beneficial though.  She also suggested trying to partner with local furniture stores and using that as marketing for them and cost reduction for you and the stager.  I think someone suggested something similar in one of their comments actually.

Debra - You said, "There is a slight glitch with waiting for payment through escrow--what if it doesn't close?  What if the seller pulls the listing?  What if it expires and they do not extend with you?"  This is what agents face everyday (as you're a Realtor®, you know this).  This is one of the reasons commission based sales exists.  You're only worth the payment if you can close it.  My idea brings this "risk-based payment" into play for the stager as well.  Yes, you are taking a risk.  Yes, you are reaping a reward for doing so.  And by building it as a team effort, both agent and stager (as well as seller) have vested interests in getting a home sold.

Debra V. - I don't think the commission is a sore spot.  At least not to me.  I love the idea of working for a commission.  It's harder, yes.  It can fall apart, yes.  It can lose us money, yes.  This is part of my theory of risk-based pricing.  Because we are taking risk, we are able to command a higher price than if we did this for a flat fee.  If, when taking a listing, we were given a iron-clad agreement that the seller would never fire us or take their home off the market or do anything to stop us from being their agent (which would be a pretty stupid idea), I bet you'd see more flat fee arrangements.  As for "Realtor®" being inserted instead of "stager," I don't think the point was to say we can do your job.  The point was in discussing the risks we both take in taking on a listing.  We don't get paid if a home doesn't sell.  Under my idea, neither would you.  We can't control what a seller does to their house when we're not there.  Neither can you.  That was the point of that.

Marte - That's what I'm looking for, something that can benefit all three of us (agents, sellers, and stagers) as well as generate more business for the stagers and agents.  The phrase win-win is always on my mind.

Judith - I definitely don't see anyone as trying to grab a piece of my pie.  Simply because my pie is my pie.  No one gets that.  I'm proposing more than one pie.

Jennifer - I agree that not every home needs staging.  I do think 99% of the homes I see could benefit from a stager's help though.  Maybe they don't need new furniture, but the stager could find some ways to make the house shine a little brighter.

Kristi - If there's a power struggle then both the agent and the stager need to check their egos.  Maybe I just think a little differently, but I do not see this as a possibility in my world.  If I chose a stager to partner with and caught a whiff of this kind of egotistical behavior, I'd be looking for a new stager real quick.  This is a partnership, not a duel.

Tina - So what about the idea of the partnership?

Kristi (again) - I only wish my house looked that good.

Sharon - I believe that staging can help a house sell, but without a true scientific test with a control, I don't believe anyone can say it's the reason the house sold.  There are just too many variables.  Same goes for price, marketing, location - you really are relying on not-so-scientific data when we make any of these claims.  We can infer things from the data, but I don't truly believe we have a true picture of what sold the house on any given sale.

Ashley - Your photo says it all.

Pat & Wayne - I don't think that was a highjacking at all.  Great stats and info on them.  Stats are a tough issue with me.  I need them to make my point more often than not, but as we all know, you can prove most points with the same stats.  It's all in how you analyze them.

Kristin - I get frustrated when people say things like "oh, that couch is ugly."  We're not buying the couch, just the walls.  And even those can be painted.  At the same time, I do know that the visual affects people.  It affects me and I know I should be looking past it!  The human brain is the one in charge here.

Lori - The debate isn't so much about "is staging good or bad," but more about is there a way to improve the business model to benefit us all.  I hope most of the stagers that commented here realize that I want us both to succeed from this.

Ana - Without "providing the space" my blog would be a lifeless place with nothing going on.  I'm glad so many responses have been made.  All of this does come down to business decisions, that's for sure.  Everyone is free to make their business choices, but I wonder if sometimes (agents included) that phrase gives us an excuse to not think of new solutions.

Eric - That discussion is covered in depth on the Cathy's post.  I have seen both sides and am starting to re-think my own position on it.

Michelle - I wonder if this business model would remove the "my job is done" thought that you commented.  I don't want a stager who wipes their hands clean after they staged the home (no offense to you) - I want someone who is as involved as I am.  That's what I'm after.

Micehele - That's why I propose the partnership of the agent and stager.  They can't control the price or marketing, but by building a team effort, those problems go away.  If it's not a partnership, it's not going to work.

Kristy - I think price of staging is a big obstacle to getting it done more often.  I have had several sellers who wouldn't entertain the idea once they heard the estimates of cost just for the consultation.  It's easier to blow that off as they're not serious enough about selling, but I don't see it that way.

Dianne - Here in San Antonio we're pretty fond of tract homes.  Your example is great.  We can show the same floorplan to a buyer in the same neighborhood.  The nicer one will (usually) win out.  Other things can affect the buyers opinion, but if it shows clean and neat, the perception is that everything else has been taken care of well too.

Jenny - There have been a few stagers that have chimed in that they would consider this, so I am hopeful.  I would love to see some results (especially if I could find a San Antonio stager that liked the idea).  If anything, perhaps it's made a few people think.

Judith - Some of those online floorplan sites have been around forever.  I haven't seen one catch on so far.  They're usually difficult to use and take way too long.  I do see potential in them, but wonder if they will ever become commonplace.

Michael - The "up front" fee in real estate does exist.  We were encouraged at my last brokerage to charge a "transaction fee."  I refused to do it though, since I feel my pay is based on my work.  Telling a buyer that I need a transaction fee to cover the cost of my gas just makes it seem like I don't know how to handle the cost of business associated with my career.  I think overall the world has gotten away from the concept of the "cost of doing business."  Electric companies are charging to use wind power - why?  So they can build more.  They should be investing in their future business and building those wind farms on their dime.  (This has been a very sore subject with me for years.)  I definitely think this idea of mine requires a certain amount of trust and belief between the agent and stager and isn't designed to work for just anyone.  I envision most stagers would do this with a handful of agents, but others would still fall under the older business model.

Gene - Yes, lenders should be included in the "team."  Every good agent values their connections to the best and brightest in several segments of the industry.  Me, I couldn't live without my favorite inspector.  He's been great at coming through for me in a pinch and getting his schedule worked around mine and my clients.  Handyman?  If I need something I know my guy can be there in a flash.  Lenders can be saviors (literally - saving the transaction).  The more help I have, the better I am.

Mark - Businesses always want the same things.  Lower costs up front and higher profits as an outcome.

Kelsey - No problem, I have enjoyed the discussion here.

John - Appraisal issues today do make the selling of upgrades and aesthetics a little harder than it used to be.  Hopefully the HVCC will go away sometime soon, so that appraisers can appraise without a constant fear hanging over their heads.

1:26pm • #117
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Lori - Good luck catching up on this one.  It's been hard for me and now that I've added comments, the read got a little longer.

1:27pm • #118
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In case you missed the update to the post (in the body of the post) or the mention of this deep within the comments:

**UPDATE** - Erica Christoffer from realtor.org contacted me and wrote a post about this post, "Should Real Estate Pros and Stagers Join Forces?"  Thanks to everyone for commenting on it and being a part of the discussion.  As soon as I get to answering all the comments, I may just have to write a follow up using some of the ideas I'm building thanks to all the comments.

1:29pm • #119

Very briefly about staging signs in front yards:  I found that it wasn't the realtors who didn't want them but the homeowners.  Most homeowners were embarassed that they had to announce to neighbors and the world that their house needed to be staged!  :)

About realtor partnerships:  Based on my past experience over the last 3 years, YES, realtors and stagers can be great partners.  My best realtor client and I worked so well together that she asked me to join her team a year ago...which I did...and in 2008, I helped her be the #1 Remax agent in our state!!  I now go on every listing with her whether it needs staged or not!

I would like to comment on some issues throughout this blog:

When it is said that "Agents have a hard time convincing sellers that the cost is going to yield a sale", I say,  That is not the agent's job...that is the stager's job.  If you are a stager and you can't convince a seller 90% of the time to replace bad carpeting, or wallpaper, or declutter, etc., then you are not going to be a valuable asset to the realtor.  Also, I would never use the term "yield a sale".  Be careful ALWAYS of what you promise.  Staging is going to help a homeowner compete...period!  Competition drives decisions much better than promises ever could!  In my presentations, I never show statistics or my portfolio...I tell them what needs to be done, how much it's going to cost and what their competition looks like.  I don't use words like "I feel", or "I think" or "I don't like", etc.  I talk about the market, buyer expectations and whether or not their home lives up to this market...and, of course, some of them do!  :)

To me, staging is not about decorating...it is about giving the agent a better listing (a favorable thing for the seller, BTW).  If I have done my job convincing a seller that they don't measure up to "the market" competition but they can't afford to stage, BUT, they price more realistically because of my staging report, then I am providing a better listing for the agent!  I have helped to brand and strengthen the agent's real estate business...EVEN THOUGH, I didn't get that particular project.  Do that and you will develop a realtor partner.  A home stager by the nature of the job is in a direct partnership the minute the agent lets you in to their seller's home.  If I got a direct call from a seller, I called the agent immediately, introduced myself and made it clear that I was there to help their listing efforts and that I was good enough to do that.

Before, I joined my partnership a year ago, I worked with a good number of realtors...most of them experienced and in the top 10% at least...and believe it or not, most of them not very strong in my opinion.  It takes a strong, confidant realtor to wait for a listing to be staged, to think out of the box, to let someone else "in", change the direction of their business and trust an outsider to help grow their business. 

As far as whether staging works???  In a declining economy, our partnership has been so successful that we have had only 2 expired listings in a year (average number of listings at any given time is 40 - one agent) and our business has increased in 2009.  For the most part, we don't take listings that show poorly or overpriced so we work really hard to make sure they don't.

By the way, we have done the commission thing charging an extra percent for staging to be paid at settlement.  It has worked well but you have to be very careful!!!   You have to intuitively like and trust your client, make sure the property is very well priced, have at least a 6 month (or whatever your market needs) listing contract and make sure that your sellers are going to be walking away with money at the table and of course, get something in writing!!!  If all those things line up (and they say yes to it) then I would say it's a valuable thing if you can wait a few months for the cash!  :)

Also, let me say that when I was doing consultations before my current partnership, the realtors paid for the consult...never the homeowner.  It is funny that a homeowner would balk at paying $150 if they had to pay for an initial consultation but not if I recommended $5,000 of upgrades for their home.  Happens every time.

To Stagers:  We are in the marketing and branding business...staging just happens to be the thing we market and the realtor is the thing we brand.  If stagers get that right, then good partnerships will follow!  To Realtors:  Gary Keller says in "the Millionaire Real Estate Agent" that "finding talent has the potential to tremendously impact your business.  The challenge is to find the right people".  And he says, "good talent should not be confused with great talent". "It is crucial that you avoid settling for people who merely fill gaps and who do not have the capacity to grow your business". Part of the issue is finding "great" talent to impact your business.  Seek and ye shall find!  And don't stop until you do!   :)

And in the end, I say great realtors and great stagers...UNITE!   :)

8:57pm • #120
AUG
30
2009
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Sheri,  THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!! I have only been here 90 days-ish but from the very start my blogs have been about how most Realtors are overlooking a valuable resource to GROW their business by not investigating further and building positive and favorable working relationships with local service providers.  Thru cooperation between the areas of expertise there is MUCH opportunty to enhance a Realtor's reputation, branding, and bring MORE business to their door as I pointed out some of my experiences in my blog: "Vendor's Cold Call Resulted in More Business to Realtor(s)"

Now you have taken the time to also list the positive and favorable history you have had by cooprerating closely with a Realtor and expanding and enhancing their/your business proposition.  Hopefully, Realtors are listening.

9:38am • #122
AUG
31
2009
123,702 Points 1 Featured Post

Quick Comment on Carrying Costs:

Some Stagers buy their own furniture - Some Stagers rent furniture from a rental company.  Both have their own carrying costs, but if you can imagine receiving a monthly rental bill every 30 days a home is on the market on the hope of an eventual sale... It's a risky proposition. Last time I rented, it was $300/month minimum, and that only got you a couple of rooms worth. It can get into thousands of dollars pretty quickly.

Lastly, well said, Sheri! Glad you threw your hat in the ring!

The Stage Coach - Austin Home Stager

12:09pm • #123
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Sheri - Thanks for joining in the conversation.  This has been a great conversation for me as I've seen just about every side to the story.  I'm glad to see someone who has tried and seen success with the partnership and getting paid at closing.  I definitely agree that a big part of it is (from a stager's viewpoint) trusting your agent and knowing they won't overprice and in general, do their job the best way they can.  Much like clients need to trust us, we need to trust each other - or the situation will fall apart quickly.

Judith - Got your email.  Will reply when I have a few moments...have some questions for you actually.

9:53pm • #124
SEP
02
2009
150,486 Points 2 Featured Posts

There are really a lot of opinions on how valuable stagers are in the equation of selling a home.

However, I'm willing to bet that if we could work as a team in getting the home sold, take our commissions as a team, and sell the homes quicker and for more money (which I believe can be done with staging), we could build a strong unit with the seller, who would turn around and recommend us as a team.

 

Many stagers including myself would most likely be willing to wait for their fee until closing but not there expenses.   Waiting for a ? $___ fee is one thing.  Waiting for rent and monies paid out is another.

 

A realtor who works with me on every listing deserves a break and I would wait for my fee at closing.  I know that he prices the houses right and markets them hard.

 

9:30am • #125
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Aloha Matt,

Thanks for the thought provoking post. I consider myself a Real Estate Merchandiser and staging is just one tool we use to merchandise a property. I work with a Real Estate and property management firm here in Honolulu and most of the time I never communicate with the owner of a property, instead I work at the behest of the property manager in the case of a rental or the Realtor in the event of a sale.

When it comes to the sale of a property a presale inspection is usually suggested if the property is over 15 years old. When budgeting our merchandising efforts, we first address any issues concerning the condition of the property that might curtail the sale and then we look to staging. Usually we have to squeeze out a meager budget for staging as it is usually low on the priorities list but most of the time we do provide staging especially in condo buildings where there are multiple units on the market. I have even worked with Realtors who refuse to call staging, staging at least when it comes to the invoice. Instead they opt to call it decor arrangement to alleviate any concerns their clients might have to the effectiveness of this relatively new profession. I think Real Estate Merchandising will supplant the rather narrow service provisions of Home Staging with a broader list of services that incorporates remodeling, repair, marketing and merchandising all under the direction of the REA. So as a merchandiser it is in my best interest to find a qualified and experienced Realtor who does the selling of my services for me while I focus on the design and execution. Its the perfect marriage in my opinion.

7:02pm • #126
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03
2009
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Most home buyers have a home inspection before they close on their home.  The home inspector shows up at the house, spends some time performing his evaluation, and produces a report with his findings.  I do not know any home inspectors that wait to get paid until the potential home buyer closes on their home to get paid.  This service is not required, it is an additional service that is beneficial to the potential home buyers.

If I was to have some landscaping design work performed on my property in the hopes of selling my home more quickly, my landscaper certainly would not expect to wait until I sold my home to receive his first check.  I can sell my home without fixing the landscaping, it will most likely take longer.

Home staging is not a required service to sell every home.  Not every home requires a professional home staging consultation.  A home needs to be of a certain value (at least $350,000) and based on the realtor's opinion a home stager should or should not be called in.  A home stager should be paid at the time of service.  We are talking about a few hundred dollars for the average home staging consultation, not a few thousand.  I know this board has been discussing holding off paying stagers and bundling Realtor and stager commissions together, but to me it does not make sense to go to all this trouble for such a small amount of money.

Home Staging is a field that closely resembles interior design and home decorating, both of these fields DO expect to get paid at the time of service.  Custom window treatments is another closely related field, and this field will require payment up front or a deposit for materials.

5:34pm • #127
SEP
04
2009

Hey Matt,

Question: When you have a listing and the house needs to be painted, or a cleaning service brought in, do you ask these contractors to wait for payment until the house sells?

These are improvements to the house to make it "sell faster - for more money" right?

Okay, maybe these contractors are not making claims as such, yet isn't that the reason you want this work done?

As an Accredited Staging Professional, I am a subcontractor, like a plumber or painter.

When our job is done we require payment. You as a Realtor, have a different time line, yet you get paid when the job is done.

If we as stagers do not promote ourselves as "one of the reasons a listing gets sold faster, or for more money", rather as a home improvement process, our payment then needs to be given upon completion of the job.

Whatever, the semantics, it is that our completion time lines are different, our payment need not be tied into your time line.

Another interesting argument I've seen written here is that if stagers "guaranteed their work", then perhaps more home sellers/Realtors would be on board.

Have you tried that with your doctor, lawyer or politician lately? We do believe our process will make a huge difference, as I bet you do by someone picking you as their lising agent.

And finally, our company offers a low cost staging program, befitting ALMOST ALL HOME SELLERS.

We do realize the economics of todays market and try to be creative. We have found it often is not the dollar amount, but the preconception of the anticipated possible high cost, that thwarts a some seller /realtor from using our services.

We want all home sellers to have success in a very stressful situation. Perhaps we only stage the first room or two, perhaps we walk thru and give them some tips. Whatever we can do to be part of the success for them to get their house sold is our objective. Just as it is yours.

We can certinly work TOGETHER- we just don't need to be paid together.

Susan Martin- Stage It Design, Inc
11:44am • #128
SEP
12
2009

Not all Realtors have or want to take the time to involve staging into their marketing plan or understand the true benefit of a stager.  Not all sellers need a stager.  Those who do, usually benefit from a clean, uncluttered, as close to flawless and appealing listing. I am not in competetion with my realtor, I work with the client with no involvement with the realtor.  I am respected as a professional in my field and employed to do the task.  Yes, realtors can point out and suggest to their client many of the things that I would do but, does a productive realtor have time and hours, to spend urging and trying to motivate the client to move forward with the staging?  My realtors don't.  Just as realtors put much time into a single listing, so does the stager.  Stagers do not just tell the client to put flowers in a vase and declutter the library bookcase.  Many hours are spent advising, staging, motivating and following up on a well prepared listing.  Staging is often taken for granted.  Ex.  If a listing is not staged, a window screen that has a tear or better yet, should have been taken off or the base boards are dirty, those flaws will be noticed more often than the base boards that are clean and the screens did not distract.  This being the thought, one wrong, one item needing to be fixed is more costly than none to be found.  How many price reductions are based upon, the light switch not working, the kitchen sink faucet being grimmy, and the sheetrock with a seam showing.  If the flaw were not there, there would be no reason to reduce the price in that given area.  This is not meant to offend anyone, it is meant to inform joint parties that each employed party is beneficial to the sale of the listing.

8:35pm • #129
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18
2009
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Hi, Matt!  Great discussion here and on the other blog that started this as well.  I took a staging class a year ago and found it to be very valuable.  Though I already have a design background, more education doesn't hurt.  In the class, the instructor claimed the same as mentioned before, sells fast and for more money. I raised my hand and said that it's also important that the property is priced correctly.  Well, I could have sworn I grew two heads.

Anyway, I notice that just like the real estate market, staging is pretty much local...meaning metropolitan areas tend to be more aware (and utilize) staging than the general population.  There shouldn't be animosity between the two industries...we don't compete directly but we complement each other.

I do want to see impartial statistics to back up the claim though. 

9:53am • #131
OCT
01
2009

I really don't believe that home sellers should only pay for staging if the home sells.  It works for realtors because if the house doesn't sell nobody gains.  Now if I were to go stage a house with the agreement that the client only pays if the house sells and it doesn't, I'll walk away with nothing, and the home seller has a completely re-decorated home at no cost.  Also, unlike a realtor, I have no control with regards to marketing the home.  I can't hold open houses and promote the property.  It really wouldn't work in my opinion. 

On the other hand, some agents these days are stagers themselves.  In this case contingensy would work because the agent has the selling power. 

2:47pm • #132
OCT
02
2009

When a Staging service is provided it is paid for by the seller and upon completion of the service. Just as an inspector, appraiser, contractor is paid.  I am awear of realtor providing Staging Service in a package.  But I feel that this causes to much confusion.  When I Stage a property that is on the market, my work is between myself and the seller. I do not work for the realtor, therefore I am not on commission. My service is to prep the property for sale.  To make it the best it can look and to address problem areas that might effect the asking price, hoping to avoid a reduction in asking price.

Sherri
7:38am • #133

Thanks for this post Matt, wish I would have found it sooner. Still a newbie to AR. I was ironically looking for Realtor's objections to hiringor suggesting a stager and poof there this was.

The first most obvious is the upfront cost, however what is that cost? What does staging mean to you? I get the impression that along with the first mention of staging there is a huge stigma to emptying the wallet. Well with Vacant staging that will for sure be the case. Furniture rental whether it be from the stager or a furniture rental company will run into several hundred dollars per month at a very min. and then there is the cost of the intense labor of the stager and his/her team.

I'm not sure if I was inturpreting correctly, but is it that Realtors and sellers understand staging of an occupied home to mean the same thing and have the same process as a vacant? Replacing their furnishings and decor with rentals? Some Stagers may actually do this and or others may just rent out their accessories.

Personally I do not stage vacant properties, I prefer not to hire a team so I will not speak further on that issue. My process is more on a Redesign using what the sellers already have as much as possible. There are three phases of preparing a home for sale in my process:

#1 Suggested cosmetic changes such as paint, flooring, lighting, bathroom fixtures & mirrors, etc.

Now can a Realtor make these suggestions? Sure some can, the difference is that a Stager will usually assist in the replacement decisions.

#2 Go throught the home with the seller and point out what and why items need to be packed up now. Rearrange the sellers furniture, lighting, artwork and accessories using principles of design. (proportion, scale, rhythm, style, balance & emphasis).

#3 If necessary recommend accessory purchases to further enhance the visual appearance and feel of the house. Offer shopping service.

I am not trying to sell myself here, I'm merely pointing out that there are many levels of staging and different Stagers offer different levels of service (not to be confused with quality) for a wide range of costs.

Matt this takes me to your partnership commission for Stager, how can anyone charge 1% for a Stager when there are so many variables concerning the amount of staging truly required? When I look back at my training or articles I've read it is suggested that staging cost approximately 1% of the sale of your property, however my case in point not all houses need a full package. One may need a complete overhaul while another is almost there, however something just isn't right and neither Realtor or seller can quite put their finger on it. You said it Matt:

"...stagers...do best. Have an eye for the details that I and the seller may not see."

I don't really put myself in the same category as an inspector either, however staging is a service based industry as mention in other comments; painters, landscapers, etc. You mentioned your handyman, do you pay him at closing?

With that being said, I love that you have generated so much buzz and our industries are talking. It is about keeping an open mind. I'm looking forward to more discussion and working toward that solution-I know I'm late joining, however you said you were going to write a follow-up so I'll be watching for it.

Sorry I missed the opportunity to help you win re-blogger, just saw that today-one day late.

 

2:14pm • #134
OCT
06
2009
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Matt,

I absolutely LOVE this post.  This model works for my company since not only do we stage we also help our agents market the properties.  I have a vested interest in getting these properties sold, just like the agents we work with do. We create this kind of partnership with a few select agents. Does this work for every home? No. Will it work with every agent? Absolutely not.  Does it work with agressive agents who see the value in only taking a listing they know will sell because it is priced right, staged, and the clients are motivated? Absolutely! If I was in TX, I would be thrilled to partner with you like this. Kudos for thinking out of the box. Agents like you are the ones that change the way real estate is bought and sold.

4:34pm • #135
OCT
08
2009
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Wow this post continues to generate talk and traffic.  I'm still out there searching for a stager interested in taking me on here in San Antonio.

In light of a lot of the stagers' comments I want to be clear - I would not expect anyone to work with an agent who they thought was an "overpricer" or bad at marketing.  This would have to be a team effort.  Of course, I don't tell you how to your job, so I wouldn't expect you to tell me how to do mine.  What I would expect though is constructive criticism and ideas flowing between the two of us.  See something in my marketing that you have an idea about - tell me.  I'm always up for a different set of eyes.

Anthea - Let me know if you ever move to San Antonio then!

12:36pm • #136
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Hmmm .. interesting post and a vast array of responses on this subject.

First - as a professional staging designer, I have to say that this business model has the potential to be successful but only with some serious tweaking. My company does not, as yet, offer a deferred payment plan. The reasoning is simple: if we were to do that then we would no longer be in business. It's not a question of risk as so many realtors have pointed out, its a question of sound business practices for stagers. I am not a realtor and cannot claim to know all the costs you incur to sell a home however as a home stager I can tell you unequivocally that unless we were gifted with the lottery or were very rich, we wouldn't be able to handle the monthly outlay of cash required to keep a staged property (specifically a vacant staged property) in show condition.

I keep seeing this point on costs made over and over by stagers in this thread however very few realtors actually acknowledge what they are saying.  I agree we need to work together - I have posted great blog entries about this - but its vital that realtors understand that the risk they are asking struggling stagers to make can effectively kill their business and in hurt them financially. If my partner and I did this and we lost money, we could very easily take a huge hit financially. We provide an essential real estate service however this service has innate strings attached and the carrying costs are beyond many talented stagers if they are not paid.

So here is something that no one has mentioned so far:

Staging vacant homes requires rental furnishings which are rented on a month to month basis. The costs can be anywhere from $500 - $5000 a month. If the stager deferred payment on their services and agreed upon a certain commission percentage, what happens if that property never sells? What happens if that property sells but it sits on the market so long that the stager has actually lost money - both from the rental and then with all that "extra" time they are motivated to put in? Recently we staged a condo - we brought in a painter, replaced hardware in bathrooms/kitchen, replaced light fixtures and then brought in all the furnishings to completely stage it. The agent wasn't sold on the staging, the condo didn't generate an offer in the first month and the seller decided to remove the staging for the second month as it was too expensive. If we had opted to get paid at the end, then we would have lost almost $6,000.  

For occupied homes, deferred payment structures may work. However, typically for occupied homes the staging costs aren't usually that high. We offer a great Blossom package which incorporates staging time and the first month's accessory rental of a boatload of our stunning home decor items such as mirrors, art, bedding, pillows, florals and more .. for only $595! The price point really isn't high enough that deferred payment should even be an option. If more is required for a home such as painting or flooring upgrades - as much as its a stager's job to recommend these changes its not up to us to front the cost for paying for these services. These tradespeople would never agree to being paid after the house sold and it does not make sense to ask a stager to carry those costs either.

We work hard to create partnerships with realtors; we offer them discounted rates on staging services, we keep them informed every step of the way on both our recommendations and progress with a property and we are diligent about following up on properties we have staged. We want to know the feedback - good or bad - and we will go back to a property to tweak it if the response has been less than favourable. We provide our realtors with small photo albums of our "before & afters", we give them a monthly newsletter with sourced out articles, stats and relevant industry information. We have made up a pamphlet for them to give to sellers which helps sellers understand what we do and what to expect for their consultation. We are always trying to think of ways we can help the realtors we work with - we pick their brains as often as we can to ensure that we're not missing something.

In terms of the deferred payment I think more stagers might be open to it if:

1) Stagers were paid regardless of whether or not the house sold - this way they would not be forced out of business by carrying huge monthly costs for rentals

2) Tradespeople and materials (countertops/flooring etc) were paid up front, by the sellers

3) A contract was made up, giving the agent a specific amount of time to sell the home (ie. 60 days) - if the house sold, then all was good and everyone would get paid. If the house did not sell, the stager was paid up to date for all costs incurred and the sellers could then opt to try for another 60 day period. All 3 parties would sign this contract - this would motivate the agent to sell the home, the stager to do the best job possible and the seller to keep the staging "show worthy"

4) If the house sold in less than 30 days and for either the listing price or above the listing price, the stager would be given a bonus in addition to the agreed upon commission - great motivator for stagers!

I think, bottom line, its essential to find a stager who is talented, passionate and dedicated to helping everyone involved in the real estate process. Motivating a stager to do his/her job means you have the wrong stager. A great stager will follow up regardless of the payment schedule and will go the extra mile to ensure that regardless of the size of the space, its beautifully staged!

 

11:27pm • #137
OCT
09
2009
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As a stager, I would love to team with a realtor. If we used a contract to cover the staging expenses it could be done effectively and would benifit all parties involved.

Selling anything is all about the marketing. A house is a product the minute it goes on sale and must be presented to outshine the competition, which is where staging pays off. Love the beer marketing analogy. 

Re: Brian's comment on the 1,000,000 houses having better furniture than a stager could provide, that's true, but I have seem many million dollar plus homes that still are in dire need of decluttering and some rearrangment. Many are also too taste specific ( or tastless) and that can kill a deal.

Would like to hear from realtors in California's Central Valley on their opinions on the topic of realtor/stager teaming. linda@sellingbydesign-staging.com

1:12pm • #138
OCT
12
2009
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We all know that staging shows good results. But I think that Stagers and Realtors not supposed to discuss each other's payment policies it will just increase our confrontation. What we need to think about is how to educate our sellers that investment in staging is rewarding and will help to sell their house faster. Please leave a comment on my blog How to educate seller to invest in home staging?

12:03am • #139
OCT
28
2009
Outside Blog

Great post :)  Sheds some light on areas that I haven't thought about !

8:06pm • #140
JAN
15
2010

This was a very interesting article I think I read every single response, I had no idea how some realtors felt towards stagers, very interesting. It definately opened my eyes to new possibilities with working with realtors. Thank you Matt and everyone for sharing your responses!

Kelly Villatoro
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