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What's the Value of a REALTOR Relationship For Originators?

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Commercial Real Estate Agent with Matthews Capital Markets NMLS 2415712

Solid real estate agent relationships are the cornerstone of any professional loan originator's business plan.  While the mortgage industry has done an excellent job at consumer direct marketing, home buyers still consider the real estate agent the "gatekeeper of the transaction" and even rely on them for advice on financing.  This is especially true in the first-time home buyer market.

The value, however, of each individual agent relationship has waned in the past 6-7 years.  When I first started originating, each agent in my "Rolodex" averaged three transactions annually.  An originator looking to close 100 purchase loans annually needed to be marketing to about 30-35 agents. 

Fifteen years ago, the primary method of marketing was to show up at the agent's office and "panhandle" for business.  Successful transactions begat baskets of flowers to the agent, followed up by visits with hopes of being introduced to "office mates".  Three things changed that model:

 

  1. Lower margins in real estate brokerages left owner-brokers seeking affiliated business relationships.  Originators found the "in-house mortgage guy" greeting them at the reception desk and escorting them back to the agent's desk.  That guided visit served as a deterrent to visiting originators and a reminder to the agent of the responsibility to their employing broker.
  2. The early-decade real estate boom swelled the ranks of real estate agents and loan originators offering customers far more "friends in the biz" than they had before.  This commoditized our business and caused home buyers to "shop" better.  With greater "hidden" competition, the professional loan originator found the move-up buyer less loyal even after all the personal marketing he did.
  3. Technology moved real estate agents out of the office and into their homes.  No longer could an originator show up at an office right after a sales meeting, to meet agents, because there were far fewer sales meetings.  Voice mail made floor time extinct. 

Today, originators have an extraordinary opportunity to work with large numbers of real estate agents.  The internet expanded our reach and reduced our marketing costs to near zero.  Today, a simple GOOGLE search can tell you who the active real estate agents are in a micro market, along with contact information.   The value of that agent relationship, however, is severly diminished.  In addition to Affiliated Business Arrangements, listing agents are requiring a "mirrored" pre-approval with a lender of their choice, often at the behest of the seller.

The value of a real estate agent relationship is about half of what it was ten years ago.  Each agent relationship can be expected to produce about 1.5 transactions annually.  The loan originator then must be marketing to about 75 agents to produce 100 purchase loans annually.

Today, it's never been easier to earn that business.

Our ranks have contracted and only the knowledgable originators are surviving.  That badge of honor, worn properly, is a magnet to real estate agents.  The internet has expanded our reach so that we can find, communicate with, and remain in a "top of mind status" with real estate agents all over the country.  Here are some ideas that have worked for me these past 18 months:

  1. Get rich in niches.  Agents will identify you with your area of expertise just like we do with lenders.  California agents know me as the VA expert.  Specific knowledge has allowed me to market that expertise with testimonials from customers and agents.
  2. Touch those agents weekly with a good e-mail marketing program; I use Contant Contact.  It is important for you to be able to track "opens" to discover who really pays attention to your content.  Follow up calls, to the agents who "open" your e-mails blasts, have a higher probability of converting.  You can "prune' the list by deleting agents who have left your last five e-mails unread.  Use content from the Mortgage Rate Watch , MBS Commentary, or MND newsletter as your weekly newsletter (if you can't write).  Properly cited, with a link back to the article, a truncated introduction can be used as content.  The important thing is to find agents who appreciate your emails.
  3. Don't forget the old postcard mailer.  I mail agents a cheap yellow postcard, with my name, phone number and URL, about every 5-6 weeks.  Timed to deliver on a Thursday, that postcard has prompted many agents to call me on a Friday to ask if I'll be available to pre-qualify a buyer over the weekend.
  4. Use webinars and teleseminars as tools to educate agents about new loan programs or guideline changes.  I host one monthly using Lenders Insight.  I schedule them in the evening so that I can get agents' full attention.  Whether you have three agents or thirty on the call is immaterial; you'll get the reputation as the "educating originator".
  5. Call them.  Set aside two hours daily to call ten agents to see of they need anyone pre-qualified.  This will keep you in front of your 70-100 "targeted agents" every two weeks.  Consistently done, you'll be contacting them more often than their "favorite originator" and position yourself to earn the business.

Our industry funded $4 trillion at the height of the boom (2003) with only 35% purchase business.  2009 origination volume is expected to be about $2.3 trillion with about 70% of that attributed to purchase business.  As interest rates rise, expect that percentage to rise.  While the volume has dropped 40% from the high, the number of qualified originators has been cut by two thirds.

There's a whole lot of business for all of us.  Come get it.

 

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Comments(24)

David Krushinsky
Reasy Financial LLC - Peoria, AZ
AZ MB-1044208 MLO NMLS #202115

State is gone.... WJ Bradley did a deal with them back in December.  I know that you and Roy Meshel are friends.  I'll catch up with you and give you the LD.  Great Post!

Aug 26, 2009 03:07 PM
Brian Brady
Matthews Capital Markets - Tampa, FL
858-699-4590

I didn't know.  Has that worked out better?

Aug 26, 2009 04:17 PM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

I recall in years past the friendly loan officers who would visit once a week or so, bring cookies at Christmas time and be on call at all hours. 

Loan officers visiting real estate offices can't be very productive (or comfortable) when there is an in-house loan officer sitting in the bull-pen.  I have a mental picture of that. 

Same thing with buyers agents who lose a contract to a "buyer's agent" from the listing agent's office. 

For that matter, marketing your services on the Internet is difficult when the main competition for SERP is several aggregates using RE listing to market their service and then sell the consumer leads back to paying agents. 

Of course, the losers are the consumers who haven't a clue. 

Aug 26, 2009 09:25 PM
Elliott S. Topkins
Topkins & Bevans-etopkins@topbev.com - Boston, MA
Massachusetts Real Estate and Title Atty

Brian--Like everything else in out profession these days, the times, they are a-changin. I am a real estate lawyer in Massachusetts. WE still are in the middle of the transaction. Originators I work with stay in the faces of their good real estate agrents. They win if they are sources of accurate inofrmation delivered on a timely basis. In house mortgage arrangements are the good news and the the bad news. A lot of my realtor contacts don't want to explain why their mortgage affiliate turned them down for the loan. They appreciate the distance.

Viva la difference!!

 

 

Elliott Topkins

www.topkinsandbevans.com

 

 

Aug 26, 2009 10:00 PM
Missy Caulk
Missy Caulk TEAM - Ann Arbor, MI
Savvy Realtor - Ann Arbor Real Estate

Brian, I remember those days, of lenders hanging out at the office, yummy food, flowers etc.

At the last two companies I was at no one was allowed past the reception desk to interact with the agents. The company paying for office space to sell loans were there.

LOL

I never used them. Recently my company entered into a partnership with a loan company. I already was using one of their lenders. Funny thing, he is never there. He already had his own sphere.

Nice break down of the numbers, yes times have changed.

Aug 26, 2009 11:37 PM
Joe Pryor
The Virtual Real Estate Team - Oklahoma City, OK
REALTOR® - Oklahoma Investment Properties

I remeber in the early 1990's my office at that time had to put into practice a rule that loan officers could not go past the reception desk without an appointment. We were constantly interupted by originators asking for loans desk by desk. Now I never see loan officers unless they come to the monthly luncheons. I now have 4 originators that I give business to on a regualr basis, and I feature them as trusted partners on my web sites and blog posts. I don't ask them to defray my marketing cost, I ask them to give the client the same great service they have always delivered. When one retires or quits putting the client first, I will look elsewhere. Hadn't happened yet, and I bet that doesn't happen to you. 

Aug 27, 2009 12:49 AM
Michael J. Perry
KW Elite - Lancaster, PA
Lancaster, PA Relo Specialist

Brian ,great blog,I've witnessed all that you've said, but never understood the ratio's !

Aug 27, 2009 01:06 AM
Janet Guilbault
Platinum Home Mortgage Company - Walnut Creek, CA
San Francisco Bay Area Direct Mortgage Lender

Hi B, I read this yesterday on the other site, and you and I had already had a discussion about this on the phone. Didn't matter, I was still inspired.

I find a real irony with mortgage people connecting with real estate people: Realtors still cling to that old "run the other direction, they are going to hit me up for a loan" mentality. Instead of this:

"A few great relationships with mortgage people could really help my business, maybe I should take the time to know who the best ones are"

Clearly, these connections need to be initiated by the mortgage person (still), and in a different way than in the past.

But I firmly believe there has never ever been a better time to connect for all of the reasons you so wisely pointed out. What was eye opening to me is HOW MANY you need to connect with.

 

Aug 27, 2009 02:29 AM
Paul McFadden
Responsive Pest Control - Seattle, WA
Pest Control, Seattle, WA.

Brian: Thanks for the post. I appreciate your number crunching. I've found my best referral partners to be financial advisors this year. It could be that realtors' business is still slow here. That being said, I agree with you. Personally, I don't think either party should rely on each other. Yes, I know LO's who get quite a bit of business from their stable of realtors and they work it. For me, I have the realtors I really like and attempt to reciprocate. I don't keep score and expect little. If I can help a realtor in any way, I'm happy to do so. I never visited offices and brought things. No one wants to feel like they're begging. Ultimately, we do business with like-minded people who understand the value of long-tem relationships. It could be that we'll see the loan officer-realtor relationship improve in the next couple of years. But the only reason would be that business gets better on the purchase side. Thanks again for your post. They are always well written and insightful!

Aug 27, 2009 02:38 AM
Brian Brady
Matthews Capital Markets - Tampa, FL
858-699-4590

"For that matter, marketing your services on the Internet is difficult when the main competition for SERP is several aggregates using RE listing to market their service and then sell the consumer leads back to paying agents."

Good point, Lenn.  I think an originator, who wanted to introduce himself to successful agents in Montgomery County, MD, merely has to search on Active Rain; there's a whole slew of them available. THAT replaced the "office meeting".

A lot of my realtor contacts don't want to explain why their mortgage affiliate turned them down for the loan. They appreciate the distance.

A valuable selling proposition for an independent originator, Elliott.

When one retires or quits putting the client first, I will look elsewhere. Hadn't happened yet, and I bet that doesn't happen to you

This might be the best comment yet becauise it shows the value of "being #2".  Joe, it does happen to me; it happens to every originator.  We are only good as our last transaction and agents have a short memory.  Now this isn't true of all agents but let's face it; we're human.  I make mistakes, go on vacation, decline a borrower, etc and agents go elsewhere.  I try to position myself as the "# 2 originator" for every agent I meet because I KNOW the lead dog will screw up.

But I firmly believe there has never ever been a better time to connect for all of the reasons you so wisely pointed out. What was eye opening to me is HOW MANY you need to connect with.

The relationships with agents are never as strong as they were before, Janet because agents are learning financing.  The sophisticated agent has 2-3 REALLY smart originators in her stable.  Diversifying your agent base protects your steram of income.  Many agents will insist that you should develop DEEP relationships to snare "all their business" but I think that's not wise.  Agents and originators should have multiple referral partners and never be "beholden" to a specific producer.  

I say this from experience.  In the 90's, I developed an in-house relationship with five real estate offices.  I hired two processors and five originators to service the account.  I had a pretty good gig going and was able to focus my time developing deeper relationships with those agents.  Then...the broker wanted a piece of the action instead of rent.  Three years of work went down the drain in 60 days.  Never again.  I go wide instead of deep, now.

I don't keep score and expect little. If I can help a realtor in any way, I'm happy to do so.

A good attitude to have, Paul but I submit that you should "keep score".  Simply track each referral source in your LOS or each transaction in the agent's contact sheet of your CRM and analyzing your efforts, each December, will be much easier.

There is another REAL benefit to keeping score.  You can ask for referrals...FOR THE AGENT, if you know the relationship.  Originators can be a valuable source of new business for agents when you keep score of the relationship to the borrower.

 

 

Aug 27, 2009 03:10 AM
Janet Guilbault
Platinum Home Mortgage Company - Walnut Creek, CA
San Francisco Bay Area Direct Mortgage Lender

I go wide instead of deep, now.

Better to be the number 2 agent for 50 Realtors than the number one agent for 5 lenders?

The most successful LO's that I see around have those 5 deep relationships. But I also see very very few that know how to leverage the Internet, and their data bases.Or that would have what it takes to do what you propose.

 Personally, I believe you are on the cutting edge and that Realtors actually LIKE the distance and the "no strings, no committment" they have with their second string LO. (I think I like that phrase  ....keeper)

They know their first string will fall short at some point. I know their first string will fall short. I have been the first string that fell short, that's how I know! LOL

What they won't admit: It is nice to have that backup quarterback (even if they are saying out loud...go away, i have someone in house/I give all my loans to _____/I have a relative that is a LO etc.................

 What they will admit: I am not going out looking for a mortgage person. But I kinda wish you would come to me, and pour on the reasons why you should be in my stable right along side my favorite horse.

 

 

Aug 27, 2009 05:45 AM
Trent Cluley
Jasper, GA

Funny, when I was first establishing myself in the business (and even in the years since), it was I who made the effort to go out and try to meet local loan originators, positioning myself to know the best fit for my clients.  Not one ever followed up, or tried to nurture that relationship.  Maybe because I was new and could do little for them at the time; maybe because they were just inefficient.  But now I find it hard to recommend these lenders to buyers.

On the other hand, there is one LO whom I've actually never met, but who sends me 5-6 emails a year with useful information, and has for the past 6-7 years.  He's a little outside of the area in which I usually work, but I have saved his contact info, and have been waiting for the right opportunity to refer some business his way.  He seems to want it.

I think there's a takeaway here for all of us, not just those in the mortgage industry, about working prospective business . . .

Aug 27, 2009 06:17 AM
Russ Msrtin
Perl Mortgage - Chicago, IL
Residential Mortgage Advisor

Great post.  However, what I find interesting and to somewhat piggyback off Janet, is that so few agents actually realize how being aligned with a good loan officer can generate business for the agent.

I probably refer out 20 or so deals a year to the various agents I work with.  A top LO closes 100+ transactions per year. If they have been in the business longer tha 3 years or so, a lot fo their business should be coming from referrals and move up buyers anyway, not pestering agents.

The first question I ask every buyer is are you working with an agent?  If not, I refer them to the agents I work with.  What does an agent want?  Donuts and rate sheets or actual clients?  Considering that probably 20% of my clients are move up buyers each year, those referrals are quite valuable.

With the internet, niche marketing, and consumer desires to learn more than ever, I find that aggressively marketing to agents is not all that productive.  I would posit that most buyers are usually the most clueless about lending first and foremost.  I tend to go straight to the consumer.  This puts the LO in a position to refer that business back out to the agents and ultimately makes the LO more valuable.

 

 

 

Aug 27, 2009 06:18 AM
Donne Knudsen
Los Angeles & Ventura Counties in CA - Simi Valley, CA
CalState Realty Services

Brian - While I agree that the top LO's will have dozens of Realtors that they work with who will consistenly send them business, I do want to point out that for those of us who aren't top producing LO's (and are perfectly fine with that), we often have other sources of business besides Realtor business.

I am not a top producing LO and I'm perfectly fine with that.  Consequently, I'm not interested in being a top producer because I've seen what I have to do and how I have to conduct business in order to be a top producer and that's not who I want to be or the kind of business I want to have. 

While I certainly wouldn't mind having a little more business, I'm ok with the level of production I'm doing this year - so much better than last year!   So far this year, I have already passed my 2008 numbers and I am very pleased about that. 

Most of my business (approx 55%) comes from referrals from my SOI; very little (approx 10%) of my business comes from Realtors and 100% of my Realtor business comes from just a handful of Realtor friends that I know, trust and respect and have worked with before.  I did not "market" any of these Realtors for their business.  I earned their business as well as their friendship after having worked on one or two transactions with them.  After the transaction closed, we had established a friendly enough relationship with each other that we took the time to get to know each other better and over time have become friends and have referred business to each other.

Now, I don't know if a lot of other LO's do it that way but that's the way I roll and I'm pleased with the results so far.  Over the years, my Realtor friends have increased with referrals from my Realtor friends for their Realtor friends and associates.  I have three Realtor friends in one real estate office and four other Realtor friends in another real estate office.  I made new friends in these two offices when one of my Realtor friends told a friend/associate about me.  How much better could it get Brian?

Aug 27, 2009 07:14 AM
Damon Gettier
Damon Gettier & Associates, REALTORS- Roanoke Va Short Sale Expert - Roanoke, VA
Broker/Owner ABRM, GRI, CDPE

Reading from the REALTOR position I would have to say that your post is extremely well written and accurate.  I am a Broker/Owner with one of the ABA's you are speaking on and as you state it is a survival tool.  I think that many lenders do not take care of the REALTORS that they have though.  Lenders work so hard to establish the relationship and get the referrals from the REALTOR but once they get the business they don't do anything to keep it.  I am sorry but when you are dealing with REALTORS simply doing a good job is rarely enough.  Sad but true. You need to keep doing the same things you were doing to get the REALTORS business in the first place, if not they will feel orphaned again soon.  Best of luck to you guys!

Aug 27, 2009 08:25 AM
Brian Brady
Matthews Capital Markets - Tampa, FL
858-699-4590

How much better could it get Brian?

No better if you're hitting your personal goals, Donna.  This is a plan for 100 purchase loans annually.

I think that many lenders do not take care of the REALTORS that they have though.  Lenders work so hard to establish the relationship and get the referrals from the REALTOR but once they get the business they don't do anything to keep it.

Damon, I"m so glad you're here.  I completely GET the survival tool.  Agent splits are so high that AfBA's are the only way a broker/owner can survive.

I can tell you, from personal experience, that your highlighted statement is spot-on.  I'm as guilty as the next guy but I've learned from past mistakes.  One of the first things I do is to explain the economics of our relationship to the agent.  The second thing I do is to ask what there expectations are (and define mine as well).  Finally, I ask them to tell me when I screw up rather than stew quietly.

My advice is not shaman-like; it's from trial and lots of errors....lots of errors

Aug 27, 2009 12:12 PM
Michael Cantwell
Guild Mortgage - NMLS ID #3274 - Jupiter, FL
Homes For Wealth

Brian,

 

I agree with your point about making sure you have a niche.  As a specialist you clarify your value among the clutter everyone is bombarded with daily.  I love renovation lending and the 203k loan.  I have been fortunate that the large number of REO's and short sales are in need of renovation in the Florida market.  While many loan officers try to be everything to everybody, they cannot understand why loans are harder and harder to find for them.

 

Great post!

 

Mike

Aug 27, 2009 10:19 PM
Jim Frimmer
HomeSmart Realty West - San Diego, CA
Realtor & CDPE, Mission Valley specialist

When I started at Century 21 in August 2005, everyone was bringing goodies to our office -- home inspectors, lenders, title companies, escrow companies. Now no one brings goodies anymore so no one goes to the office anymore. It's a barren place....

Aug 28, 2009 10:37 AM
Jeff Belonger
Social Media - Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc - Cherry Hill, NJ
The FHA Expert - FHA Loans - FHA mortgages - USDA loans - VA Loans

Brian,....  I see that as the biggest issue, that many loan officers work hard at getting that agent, but then don't keep on top of it.  But on another note, I have had agents that praised me up and down, yet they run to the next loan officer that was passing out dollar bills.  It really makes you wonder whose best interest the real estate agent has then. I am sure you have had agents ask you if you would pay them referral fees. I had one ask me once and I told her, "not a problem, I will just have to raise the rate on your borrower"... she freaked out and said no, I can't do that.  I then asked her how and where I would eat next month. Well, I killed that relationship on the spot. Overall, good post and some good discussion.

jeff belonger

Aug 31, 2009 02:04 AM
David Krushinsky
Reasy Financial LLC - Peoria, AZ
AZ MB-1044208 MLO NMLS #202115

B, I didn't read the entire post before commenting so I'll add my commentary from the point where you wrote, "Today, it's never been easier to earn that business."  Our team noticed a definite shift in the way our top referral partners were receiving business about a year ago.  Most of our business has always come from referrals from Realtors and past clients.  We noticed most of our agents clients (the ones we weren't doing loans for) were doing more research online and selecting a lender prior to working with a Realtor.  We still try to add Realtors to our team but now 25% of our time is spent working on direct marketing, mainly online.

I loved your marketing idea number three! We are implementing that today. 

  • Don't forget the old postcard mailer.  I mail agents a cheap yellow postcard, with my name, phone number and URL, about every 5-6 weeks.  Timed to deliver on a Thursday, that postcard has prompted many agents to call me on a Friday to ask if I'll be available to pre-qualify a buyer over the weekend.
  • The WJ Bradley thing is working out well.  Like everything there is positives and negatives.  We're getting most of the negatives ironed out.     

    Aug 31, 2009 08:57 AM