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Countrywide, "BAC", is Killing Me! How About You? Their most recent Short-Sale processing timeframes are just ridiculous!

By
Real Estate Broker/Owner with The Russell Realty Group of BHHS Elite Real Estate Corp. BRE: 02018405

1). Fax in your initial submission: 35 to 55 pages, must be broken down into individual 10 page faxes.  Allow 12 to 15 business days for these items to be imaged and processed as "received".

 

2). Once imaged & received, allow 20 business days for the new short-sale file to be assigned to an initial Phase I personnel. (Just to get assigned).

 

3). Once assigned to Phase I, the assigned personnel now has up to 30 business days to do their part and advance the file to Phase II.

 

4). The time in the cue between Phase I & II is typically 3 to 5 business days.  Once assigned to Phase II Negotiator, this person now has 20 business days to do their thing; package the file to present upward to the Investor.

 

5). If that Investor is Fannie, or Freddie, allow at least 6 weeks for the response to come back to BAC where the file is then assigned to your BAC Closing agent.

 

Where the real chaos begins is when the Phase I, or II, negotiator initially assigned to your file is overwhelmed with a file load deluge, and as a result, 3/4 of the way through their allowed time, the file is re-assigned to a new negotiator who then has the normal 20 or 30 business day time frame.  The re-assignment essentially resets the clock at that Phase!

 

This absolutely pathetic system is no doubt the result of the tremendous volume.  Well.... then fix it!  Adjust for the deluge.  Listen I used to have empathy; now I'm just frustrated with it due primarily to several recent occurrences.

 

Most notable: After 5 months of processing a particular file, 3 buyers later, a Phase II negotiator, Felicia Young, contacted me, with attitude demanding a couple of updated items, and a few minor HUD revisions, permitting me 48 hours to comply under threat of "closing out" the file.  I complied that very same business day within 3 hours!!  UNFORTUNATELY, as noted in item # 1 hereinabove, it took 14 calendar days to be imaged!!  You guessed it, Ms. Young closed out the file!

 

Upon being re-opened at my formal request, the file languished for about 10 days and was re-assigned to.....wait for it...... Felicia Young!

 

No kidding, 26 days later during which there were NO NEW NOTES, NO contact from Ms. Young, she called again to request updated pay stubs in a voicemail in which she again gave me 48 hours to comply.  Again I responded towards the end of that day by fax.  Not wanting a repeat, I tried to contact her to inform her that I had faxed in the requested items and to please not close the file again.  I attempted to get her email address (this was back when everything but the first name of a negotiator was a state secret!), couldn't get it.  Best I could do was have the Short-Sale Support rep. leave an internal message for Felicia.

 

You guessed it..... I phoned in again to follow-up on the next business day, a Monday, only to find that Felicia Young had in fact closed out the file again for non-compliance!!!

 

That's just ONE nightmare, I could fill volumes with other instances.  Where does this end.... when does the process actually improve??  Not looking for it to be easy, just ..... sane!

 

By the way, the case referenced above dates back to January, '09 and has not yet been sent up to the Investor.  Really?!

 

To forward your BAC Countrywide/BofA horror stories to someone who can actually do something... send to:

Kimberly Dawson
Bank of America Home Loans
Vice President - Group Operations Manager
Short-Sales
7105 Corporate Dr., Bldg C
Plano, TX 75024
Tel: 972-526-6970
Kimberly.dawson@bankofamerica.com

Contact her.

Anonymous
SS

Thank you, Dameon. You are a GOD. She actually got it approved today!! 3-5 days we should have the approval letter!! Thank you!!!!!

Aug 31, 2009 07:03 AM
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Anonymous
Dameon V. Russell

Score 1 for the good guys!  I am very pleased to hear that; VERY pleased!  Guess it is all about who you know.

Aug 31, 2009 08:00 AM
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Dawn Barrier Las Vegas Real Estate
HomeSmart Encore - Las Vegas - Las Vegas, NV
Homes in Las Vegas Nevada 702-812-4550

Dameon

Thanks for the article...I had to come back and find it for someone....Please come over and join us...http://www.shortsalesuperstars.com/group/bankofamericashortsales/forum/topics/bank-of-america-contact-from....

Got to go give you credit.

Dawn

www.LasVegasDawn.com

Sep 22, 2009 01:42 PM
Keena Frye
GoHomeConnect.com Realty - Southfield, MI
CPDE

I hope this gets better. I have 3 new short sales all are through B of A

Sep 23, 2009 05:59 PM
Stephen Arnold
HomeSmart Elite Group - Scottsdale, AZ
CRS, GRI, SFR

BofA is a total nightmare...I've got one transaction that mirrors what you have going on (with several others in the pipeline)!!  My client is over 14 months behind on payments...40K back... trustee sale date NOT EVEN filed yet!!! What a joke!!  I'm finally speaking with some management to get this pushed through!!  If they do not improve their system...the reputation they are building for themselves during this difficult time will hurt them indefinitely!!

Sep 29, 2009 07:24 AM
Anonymous
Mike

Dameon-

Wow, I don't even know where to begin thanking you. I am a short-sale buyer who was in contract for 5 months.  The last 6 weeks of the process, we had ZERO contact from Bank of America (after originally telling us that they were going to approve the short sale).  Our file had been assigned to a new negotiator and after multiple calls and emails to her and her supervisors....NOTHING.  Not so much as a "F**K OFF"....just no response at all!!

I took it upon myself to go over the heads of both my agent and the listing agent on the property, and wrote 2 long-winded but pleasant emails to Kimberly Dawson!  She was more than helpful.  My first email was written to her this Tuesday 9/29.  She responded 15 minutes later telling me she'd look into it.  No response Wednesday.  I wrote her a follow-up email yesterday (Thursday 10/1), and 45 minutes later, she emailed a member of the short sale department (and CC'd me) requesting an immediate update on my file.  This morning I came into work and had an email from Kimberly Dawson which read:

"Good Morning Mike,

 

I just wanted to let you know that we approved your short sale this morning.  You should be receiving a phone call from the listing agent asap". 

 

I did a double take because I thought it was too good to be true.  I kid you not, 3 hours later....we had an approval letter....AN ACTUALLY WRITTEN LETTER.....in our hands saying that this was going to happen, and that closing would take place before October 31st. 

 

For anyone else who has been waiting through this short sale nightmare....this is proof that contacting the right people is sometimes what it takes.  Kimberly was very nice, and extremely helpful....and If it weren't for you Dameon, I'm sure we'd be waiting months more! 

Good luck everybody, and hopefully my story gives you all some hope!!

 

Very Sincerely,

 

Mike

Oct 02, 2009 09:32 AM
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Anonymous
Paula Barrett

Mike, great story.  I wish all of our buyers were so enthusiastic to wait along with us.  It does take a constant consistant approach.  My hats off to you for your success!

Oct 07, 2009 01:33 PM
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Anonymous
Justin

I certainly hope Ms. Dawson can help.  I just wrote her an email.  We have only been waiting since the beginning of July, but all the seller's agent has been able to tell us is that BofA is working on it.  We have no idea where we are in the process or any approximate time frame until the end of that phase.

We are buyers who are running out of time or hope or both.  We'll have to sign another lease to rent, which will cost this one income family a bundle at this point.

Oct 14, 2009 08:35 AM
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Anonymous
Mike

Justin-

 

Did Kimberly respond to your email?  Just curious, as she responded so quickly to mine!  Just make sure in your correspondence to emphasize how frustrated you are, but be VERY pleasant with her.  She isn't obligated to do anything for you.....so letting her know that you're appreciative but that you really want the house is definitely the best approach.  I have seen some pretty nasty letters written to these banks.....and however rightfully so it may be to do so......it doesn't produce any favorable results!

 

Be patient...and I hope she is able to help you guys out!  Good Luck!

 

And an update for everybody who cares to know.....My loan is in final underwriting, and I should close escrow by the end of this week....provided there are no delays/last minute snafus.  Hopefully I'll be posting pictures of my new home the next time I post here!  Special THANKS again to Dameon for that valuable contact information!!

 

Mike

Oct 20, 2009 05:48 AM
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The Russell Realty Group
The Russell Realty Group of BHHS Elite Real Estate - Elk Grove, CA
Dameon V. Russell/CEO Russell Realty Solutions Inc

Wow Mike, can I just say that is awesome news my friend, congratulations!  I also want to reiterate something you said.  Kimberly is diligent and gracious, and absolutely NOT obligated to do anything.  So please lets all be professional when approaching her and ONLY where her intervention is 110% needed. (If you're not sure if its 110% needed, hold off on reaching out to her)  Short-sales are not for the faint of heart, they require supreme patience from everyone involved.

Always remember, however screwed up the process, (and it IS screwed up), Kimberly didn't create it.  Every single problem regarding the processing of short-sales comes down to ONE, singular thing.... volume; volume & the inability to handle it.

Its so gratifying to hear success stories, thanks Mike for sharing yours!

Dameon V. Russell

Oct 20, 2009 06:27 AM
Anonymous
Mrs. Lancaster

I am so glad I stumbled upon this blog. Thank you so much Daameon for this valuable information. My husband and I were awaiting patiently for a short sale approval since we put in our offer this July. I contacted Kimberly Dawson via email on Sunday 10/18/09. She responded the following day and said she would look into it. She wrote back on Wednesday and said that she told the manager to expedite our file. Today is Thursday the 22nd and my realtor just called and said we were approved! I am sending that woman some flowers!

Oct 22, 2009 03:27 PM
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Anonymous
Lee

bofa is a joke!! No wonder these banks are in trouble. I research deeds and found a problem on a bofa foreclosed property. the property was two single acre tracks but the final paperwork did not mention the second track. So bofa auction off the first track and let the second track be sold by the city for back taxes owed to the city. I tried to tell them about the error but know one would listen. I also seen another bank forclose on a couple who owned their home. the problem was that the bank made a mistake on the address and forclosed on the wrong house. These poor people where evicted from their home and the home was auctioned off. The people did not have any money to get a lawyer and they lost their home. It has been 4 years and the home they where evicted from sits empty and vandalize. This country is falling apart from crooked banks.

Nov 18, 2009 03:40 PM
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Anonymous
Judy

I am so happy I "ran" into this site, I am going through the same thing,  I am now on my 4th set of pay stubs, bank statments etc.... I started 08/05/2009.... What a nightmare, I cant get any info from BOA, my mitigator is has spoke twice to the negotitor, but no real status.  I now understand the process takes time and patients.  I try to think about BOA, the agents, the buyers etc...I am sure everyone part in this process is very stressful.  But I am trying to be positive, I think I might try and email Kimberly Dawson.  So keep your fingers crossed.

Judy

 

Dec 16, 2009 01:52 PM
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Anonymous
James Rosado

Hello, I am a Broker/Owner with RE/MAX finest in New Jersey. I have closed several short sale's with other Lender's with no major problems. I have several deals with Bank of America and they are all nightmares. I am using there new Equator -- REO Trans website. I have uploaded several times in PDF format the documentation for the short sale but there response is always rejected and they only give me one or two word response either "other" or "incorrect documentaion" never a specific reason why its rejected. I respond to them in detail as a request to explain why rejected and again they respond in the same manner. I call them the next day and again the process goes on and no one has corrected the problem. If anyone is either experience the same problem or can help me to get this corrected would be appreciated. Thanks.

Jan 20, 2010 02:42 PM
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Anonymous
Ann Hubener

Regardin the "EQUATOR" system.  We have been through that nightmare and the property we have will not go through that system.  AND, we cannot load into it anyway.  BA has to do it.  You can only go through the equator system if you have a "certain" kind of loan -- now what is that?  Who knows?  But, you might try finding out about that. 

Yes, BA is a nightmare.  But, it just is not only about volumne -- it is about hiring folks who have no idea what they are looking at, then changing their system every other day, and telling them that if there is an issue, just close the file!

We have been working this current short sale since July.  Everyone is about ready to close if we can get it approved.  We had it approved once and then magically they closed the file in November and we had to reopen it.  We will notify Kimberly today!  

Feb 02, 2010 01:17 AM
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Anonymous
Emily Spencer

I just want to say that Kimberly Dawson is WONDERFUL!!!  She is a woman of few words, but those words are powerful!  I am a short sale processor for an agent and I have contacted her 3 times.  Most recently, 5 minutes ago!  She REALLY can help!l

The first 2 occasions, I had an approval in 48 hours.  I am hoping that she will be as helpful this time around, too!

Mar 18, 2010 08:59 AM
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Anonymous
Toni

I had been negotiating a BOA short sale since Sept. 2009. Submitted offer that was in negotiation. A court sale date was scheduled and I sent a message through Equator to ask that it be postponed so the short sale could occur. No response through Equator. I called the customer care center and was told that BOA would participate. Continued negotiations through Equator. 30 days later I received a counter-offer through equator extending the settlement date to Sept 30, 2010 and verifying the settlement fees on the HUD. Sent the counter offer back with change in date and verification of HUD1 fees. An hour later I received a short sale denial letter saying that "homeowner not willing to sign deficiency agreement or contribute to loss or buyer offer insufficient, will reconsider if buyer increases offer or homeowner participates...." So I called short sales to find out what happened and to re-initiate the short sale. I asked what was the reason as my homeowner was never asked to sign a deficiency or contribute, Iwas told that the letter was a form letter and the short sale was declined because the property was foreclosed on July 20, 2010. I asked how could this bwe true if the offer was in negotiation and accepted? Is there any recourse for this homeowner? She now has a foreclosure on her credit report. I thought BOA was one of the better banks to work short sales thru. This one slipped thru the cracks. Of course they closed the Equator file immediately 

Aug 25, 2010 06:21 AM
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Anonymous
Dameon V. Russell

Unfortunately Toni, this is quite common.  Yes, BofA can be decent to work with in terms of systems in place.  Whereas, they have generally been ahead of the Industry in implementing systems for short-sale processing.  The problem however is that their systems have historically been insufficient to handle their own volume.  I have often thought of how perfect it would be if certain BofA systems were implemented at institutions with less volume.

The other issue is adaptation.  As Equator has come online now, (up & running), BofA has been slow to make necessary adaptations which would certainly render the Equator system MORE useful, MORE user friendly, and MORE seamless.  Right now this is a problem.  Those "cracks" of which you speak, exist because there are administrative, and logistic adaptations needed between Equator, and the human resource (personell) in Short-Sale, and Short-Sale Support at BofA, and their other related internal departments with no current Equator access.

Yet another pressing issue is born of the fact that BofA, for a great many of the loan assets, is merely a servicer.  They are servicing the loan for any one of dozens of Investors who actually own the paper.  This reality is true for most, not just BofA.  These Investors include; other institutional lenders, Wall Street Investment Banks, Private Equity Funds, Foriegn funds, Sovern Wealth Funds, Private Investors, + Fannie, or Freddie, etc.  The administrative challenge therein, and our problem when trying to negotiate short-sales is that each such Investor has an individualized Servicing Agreement with the Servicer.  Within each Agreement, the Investor's particular terms are clearly stipulated.  These terms include: maximum acceptable percentage of loss, max. number of Trustee Sale postponements allowable, max. duration of default status, various restrictions & allowances pertaining to Borrower Hardship, max allowable Jr. lien contribution, etc., etc. ... you get the point.

So, depending on which Investor owns the loan, you don't know what formula, restrictions, or covenants the Servicer negotiator is beholden to.  For YOUR particular file Toni, sounds like you had one set of covenants, then something abrubtly changed.  My guess; either your Clients totally missed a letter or documents sent to the house, or possibly their "paper", the loan was sold.  Whereas the initial Investor, sold it to another Investor mid-stream of your short-sale and therefore the file is then subject to a NEW set of covenants per the new Investor's Servicing Agreement with BofA.

If the latter were the case, its likely that it was part of a very large loan portfolio transaction; simply one, of many loan assets kind of swooped up in a bulk purchase of such assets.  If so, this is not even within the control of BofA; simply one of those things in this business we have NO control of.

Unfortunately, at this point there would be little, but more likely no recourse for your Client.

Aug 26, 2010 08:42 AM
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Anonymous
Tim in Missouri

I've got several different signatures on MERS papers for Kimberly Dawson. She is Robo signing documents!!!

Jan 31, 2013 01:32 PM
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Anonymous
Tim in Missouri

I've got several different signatures on MERS papers for Kimberly Dawson. She is Robo signing documents!!!

Jan 31, 2013 01:32 PM
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