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I decided about 3 days ago to read the entire proposed health care bill, HR 3200, also known as America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009.  It has been hotly debated lately, and I wanted to know firsthand what was contained therein that could inspire such passion on both sides. 

I have never been one to allow others to form my opinions for me, and I have a feeling that this particular topic is one that will be discussed for some time.  I want to be able to speak knowledgably about this issue.  There is no better place to garner this information than directly from the source itself.

My guess is that it will take me a few weeks to work my way through the bill, since it is essentially 1100 pages of legalese.  That being said, I am committed to finishing this quest.  I do know that this is not the final version, as it must progress through committees before getting to any vote.  That being said, there is so much discussion about this that I wanted to learn as much as I could.

I am presently neither in favor of this bill nor am I fully opposed to it, although that will probably change as I read further.  I intend to do my best to present the facts in a neutral manner.

A LITTLE ABOUT ME: If you don't already read my blog, let me give you some background information about myself.  I am a Christian homeschooling father of four, and I am generally conservative in my political beliefs.  That being said, I am also one of the many millions of people with a pre-existing condition that makes it impossible for me to get normal individual insurance coverage.  Hence, we pay about $1300/month for insurance, since I am self-employed.  Additionally, my wife and I paid approximately $30,000 to give birth to our last two children, and those were natural childbirths (i.e. no epidural, etc.).  Clearly, I am in favor of anything that will reduce our health care costs, as long as it makes sense.  As you can see, my opinions probably don't line up with either side at this point.  I am not an attorney - I'm just a guy who is interested in seeing what is proposed.

By the way, I fully realize that this post is long.  There will be others.  I don't expect you to read every word, but if you do, thank you in advance for doing so.

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I finished reading the first large section (Title I) yesterday evening.  Here are my notes and observations thus far:

 

MOST POTENTIALLY CONTROVERSIAL TABLE OF CONTENTS SECTIONS:

My reading of the table of contents revealed the following sections that seem ripe for political disagreements.  We will return to review these as I work my way through the bill.


Sec. 246. No Federal payment for undocumented aliens. 

Sec. 401. Tax on individuals without acceptable health care coverage.

Sec. 441. Surcharge on high income individuals.

SOMETHING I LEARNED

I learned via my research that an insurance company's "medical loss ratio" is the amount of premiums actually used to pay for medical services.   The Act calls for the highest-possible ratio.  If plans don't meet this, they must rebate any overage to their enrollees.  While I suppose it seems appealing to get a dividend of sorts from my insurance company, this feature also seems to inhibit companies from being profitable.

 

OTHER NOTES FROM TITLE I

SEC. 111. PROHIBITING PRE-EXISTING CONDITION EXCLUSIONS.  This is the first section that I liked, at least in principle.  In a nutshell, this section states that "A qualified health benefits plan may not impose any pre-existing condition exclusion...".  Clearly, I like this, since I haven't been able to get "real" insurance since 1993.

 

Sec. 113, (a) (1) - Limited age variation permitted - no more than a 2:1 ratio.  This means that they can't charge anyone more than double what the lowest rates are.  Admittedly, this seems more fair than the present rules would indicate, although I am pretty sure that the Texas Health Insurance Risk Pool (my insurance) has the same limit in place.

 

SEC. 121. COVERAGE OF ESSENTIAL BENEFITS PACKAGE.  

(c) No Restrictions on Coverage Unrelated to Clinical Appropriateness- A qualified health benefits plan may not impose any restriction (other than cost-sharing) unrelated to clinical appropriateness on the coverage of the health care items and services. 

MY NOTE: Since this would tend to indicate that the public health option cannot restrict care unless there is a medical reason to do so (and I welcome other interpretations here), it seems to me that this particular section could cause a lot of problems and arguments.  Why?  Well, simply put, most abortions would be covered, if I am reading this correctly.  I am personally pro-life, but I have discussed this with a couple of pro-choice friends.  Frankly, none of us want to fund abortions via our tax dollars. 

 

SEC. 122. ESSENTIAL BENEFITS PACKAGE DEFINED. 

Under part (a):

(3) does not impose any annual or lifetime limit on the coverage of covered health care items and services;

MY NOTE: This seems reasonable to me.  I know people who have run up against their limit from ONE big illness/hospitalization.  I doubt that the average insurance shopper knows to look at this limit in their current policy.  To me, having a limit in place for health care is like saying that your home's hazard insurance will cover you as long as nothing really bad happens, like a fire.

(5) is equivalent, as certified by Office of the Actuary of the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, to the average prevailing employer-sponsored coverage. 

MY NOTE: Again, this seems very reasonable.

Under part (b):

Minimum Services To Be Covered- The items and services described in this subsection are the following:

(1) Hospitalization.

(2) Outpatient hospital and outpatient clinic services, including emergency department services.

(3) Professional services of physicians and other health professionals.

(4) Such services, equipment, and supplies incident to the services of a physician's or a health professional's delivery of care in institutional settings, physician offices, patients' homes or place of residence, or other settings, as appropriate.

(5) Prescription drugs.

(6) Rehabilitative and habilitative services.

(7) Mental health and substance use disorder services.

(8) Preventive services, including those services recommended with a grade of A or B by the Task Force on Clinical Preventive Services and those vaccines recommended for use by the Director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

(9) Maternity care.

(10) Well baby and well child care and oral health, vision, and hearing services, equipment, and supplies at least for children under 21 years of age.

MY NOTE: I was shocked to see maternity care covered under the essential plan.  In my own family, this item would have saved us countless thousands of dollars.  My wife pointed out that the list didn't include birth control pills, which I suppose could result in a new baby boom.  :)

 

SEC. 123. HEALTH BENEFITS ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
 
This will automatically includes Surgeon General, and up to 17 people appointed by the President, along with 9 people appointed by the Comptroller General. 

MY NOTE: Why is the President (no matter which party) given this much control over this committee?  If the President is able to appoint 17 of the 27 members, it seems like an inordinate amount of control.  Perhaps this should be spread out a bit more.

 


SEC. 141. HEALTH CHOICES ADMINISTRATION; HEALTH CHOICES COMMISSIONER.

(a) In General- There is hereby established, as an independent agency in the executive branch of the Government, a Health Choices Administration (in this division referred to as the `Administration').

NOTE: Is it really necessary to set up an entirely new agency?  This seems like the type of thing that could be maintained through the Dept. of Health and Human Services, in my humble opinion. 

 

(2) FLEXIBILITY IN PLAN ENROLLMENT AUTHORIZED- Beginning with Y3, the Commissioner shall establish a process to allow an affordability credit to be used for enrollees in enhanced or premium plans. In the case of an affordable credit eligible individual who enrolls in an enhanced or premium plan, the individual shall be responsible for any difference between the premium for such plan and the affordable credit amount otherwise applicable if the individual had enrolled in a basic plan. 

NOTE: I understand the principle at play here, but I don't understand why the affordability credits can be used to defray the cost of "premium" plans.  It would seem more fair to simply provide the basic plan to those who can't afford it, rather than allowing them to choose the most expensive plan and pay very little for this.


 
(B) FOR UNAFFORDABLE EMPLOYER COVERAGE- Beginning in Y2, in the case of full-time employees for which the cost of the employee premium for coverage under a group health plan would exceed 11 percent of current family income (determined by the Commissioner on the basis of verifiable documentation and without regard to section 245), paragraph (1) shall not apply. 

NOTE: I certainly hope the costs are supremely low if this is the definition that they plan to use.  I would love for my own insurance cost to be under 11% of my income.  The section also refers to modified adjusted gross income, which would make it an even lower figure.  This seems like a low threshold for what constitutes "unaffordable", but I must admit that this would benefit me directly.


 
Sec. 1137A. (D) enable the real-time (or near real-time) determination of an individual's financial responsibility at the point of service and, to the extent possible, prior to service, including whether the individual is eligible for a specific service with a specific physician at a specific facility, which may include utilization of a machine-readable health plan beneficiary identification card.

NOTE: This section is actually modifying the Social Security Act, which is why the numbering is different.  This could result in some interesting debates.  Does this information go to the newly-created Health Choices Administration, or is it simply meant to make payment and approvals faster? 

 

SEC. 164. REINSURANCE PROGRAM FOR RETIREES.   (d) Retiree Reserve Trust Fund-  (B) FUNDING- There are hereby appropriated to the Trust Fund, out of any moneys in the Treasury not otherwise appropriated, an amount requested by the Secretary as necessary to carry out this section, except that the total of all such amounts requested shall not exceed $10,000,000,000.

NOTE: This section is intended to provide reimbursement for employers who provide health care for their retirees.  This particular figure ($10 Billion) seems to have been thrown out without a lot of supporting research for setting the limit there.

 

Overall, it seems as though the Health Choices Commissioner (new position created by the Act if it is passed) is given a LOT of power to determine things under this bill.  This will be a Presidential appointee.  In one section, it states that the duties include "ADDITIONAL FUNCTIONS- Such additional functions as may be specified in this division."  Later, the bill gives the Commissioner the power to provide for the development of standards for the definitions of terms used in health insurance coverage, including insurance-related terms.  This seems like an exceptional amount of power to me to vest in one person.

 

If you have any questions or want to disagree with me, I welcome that.  Just make sure that you bring your documentation.  I brought mine, after all.  :)

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TYPOS/MISTAKES

I realize that this version hasn't been finalized in any way, but I did find a few errors, for what it's worth.  I suppose I included these items just to prove that I am reading every word of this thing:

Subtitle B, Sec. 221, part (a) - should read "compromising", not "comprimising"

Sec. 114 (b)  - the provisions of section 2705 (other than subsections (a)(1), (a)(2), and (c)) of section 2705 of the Public Health Service Act  - REPEATED PHRASE

Under Sec. 123 (d) Publication- The Secretary shall provide for publication in the Federal Register and the posting on the Internet website of the Department of Health and Human Services of all recommendations made by the Health Benefits Advisory Committee under this section.

In the next section, Sec. 124. (a) (4) Add "and the posting on the Internet website of the Department of Health and Human Services " to make these sections consistent.

Sec. 154  - SHOULD SAY "or" instead of "of". 

 

      

 

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175 Comments on A Layman's View of the Proposed Health Care Bill (HR 3200) - I am reading through the whole thing....slowly

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Jason, I applaud you for reading the bill.  You are doing a whole lot more than almost all  of the members of congress, who rely on the kids on their staff to read it for them and tell them what's in the thing. 

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Jason

Kudos to you for taking this on.  I had insurance of one kind of another for most of my life  - and then I didn't.  We simply have to start somewhere and everyone, Democrat and Republican, has to give a little to nake national health care work.

I'll be interested in what they say about preventive care - an area that never gets enough attention.

Michael

2:15pm • #2
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Looking forward to your synopsis. If a Real Estate Broker from Austin can take the time to read the Bill, shouldn't those who have been elected (meaning whose job it is to READ the bill) do the same?

2:18pm • #3
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I don't know what to say just yet.  Kudos to you for reading it.  I'm inte process myself doing the same thing.  Frankly, what I've read so far has a lot of mumbo jumbo in it and some "lack of clarity."  I appreciate what you have to say.  I do think that the politicians need to test drive it first for two terms b/4 rolling it out to the public.  Just my .02 cents.

2:20pm • #4
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Jason, great work.  I think it's funny that you are worried about making the blog posts too long!  You are doing what the great majority of us won't do, and selflessly giving your work to the rest of us.  Thank you.

2:43pm • #5
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Jason, I too applaud your efforts and comments on this so very important issue.  I tried to read the bill and got thru the first 100 pages  and realized I was like the southern senator, I needed 2 lawyers to sit with me and interupt it.  :)  

  I did not like the vagueness of what the bill is not saying/doing ... as you pointed out there is way too much power given to a limited personel, is that asking for trouble?  Like the old saying "money buys power, money corrupts and power absolutely corrupts" . (or something close to that). 

2:54pm • #6
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Jason, I applaud you for taking the time and commitment to understand. I really cant say much because I didn't do my own homework and I'm not sure if I want to, I really could not form an opinion to say Yay or Nay.

4:08pm • #7
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Pat - Thanks!  I just wanted to educate myself.  :)

Michael - That is an interesting topic indeed.  I wonder if the bill includes anything on that at all.  Time will tell...

Colleen - I have seen a big movement about that very issue.  I agree with you - it's not actually MY job to do this, but I want to see if the arguments on either side have merit.  It reminds of the old "telephone" game (aka "whisper down the lane"), where one person whispers something in another person's ear, then they tell the next person, and so on.  By the time it gets around the room, it has a different meaning altogether.  I am curious to see how many of the facts have been distorted by the media.

Larry - I agree with you - it seems as though a lot of it is left open to interpretation.  Perhaps some of those loopholes will be closed as it works its way through the committees?

Steve - Thanks, man.  That's a solid point - I won't worry about it anymore.  My version will be substantially shorter.  :)

Gail - I think it's something like "Power corrupts, but absolute power corrupts absolutely."  Thanks for your great comments.

Loreena - Thanks!  I will report back with more soon.

4:35pm • #8
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Jason --where did you find a copy of the proposed bill????  I think what you are doing is great.. this is the type of debate we should be having... not a bunch of scare tactics.  Thanks for taking the time to go through this... we should look item by item and not simple make judgments based on a lot of scare tactics.

4:37pm • #9
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Jason - I've read portions of the bill, but since it's not finalized yet, wasn't willing to devote too much time trying to understand something that might not make it into the final version. I applaud you for your efforts towards a total reading. If only our elected leaders were forced to read any bill before voting, we gain much shorter bills with dramatically more clarity.  Thanks for your input.

5:10pm • #10
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Wow.. so you werent kidding about reading 3200 and sharing your thoughts with us.

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Hi Jason-  I saw the link to your blog on Twitter.  I didn't realize you had written this on AR.  As my tweet said, this is a huge undertaking and you're doing a great job of summarizing it, so far.  Whether you're for or against any given item, at least it will be based on what's written in the bill instead of distorted "facts" and talking points.

7:38pm • #12
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Jason--Ditto to Patricia's comment above. My concerns in a 1100 page bill is that many changes and edits will also be made to what you are currently reading. Hopefully several hundred elected officials are reading the 1100 pages as closely as you are before voting.

8:17pm • #13
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WOW I really commend you for taking on such a daunting task
and I look forward to your updates on it
Best of Luck

8:48pm • #14
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Joan - You can just Google "hr 3200" and find many online copies to choose from.  I agree with your take on this.  I want to base my opinions and debates on the facts/source.  :)

John M - I guess it's too much to ask that our elected officials take time to read this stuff?  I find it unacceptable, but that's just me.  I realize that it will be changing over time, but I want to understand the changes (and the stuff that stays the same) as time goes by.

John C - Nope.  Not kidding.  :)

Marilyn - Thanks so much for your supportive words.  I like the challenge, and I am learning a lot already. 

Teri - I have no doubt that things will be changing, but this stuff is being debated NOW, so I want to be well-versed on what is actually contained in the original version.

Daniel - Thanks so much.  Keep an eye out for more updates!

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Jason...

I just think such a big step needs a lot of discussion, and I don't want to see it rushed through for political expediency.

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Jason, I don't agree or disagree with you.  I also don't support or not support the bill for affordable healthcare.  What I do disagree with is the lying that has been going around telling people how bad the Canadian healthcare system is.  It's not the best, but people get basic health care taken care of and basic preventative medicine and therefore most Canadians are healthier than other countries.  In the United States if you can't afford to go to the doctor you don't go and you don't get preventative healthcare.  Yes, in Canada you might have to wait for non-emergency healthcare, but at least everyone gets what they need.  And, how many Americans go to Canada for cheaper prescription drugs?  There has to be something better than what we currently have, that much I do agree.  But, this current bill is not it. 

9:23pm • #17
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Richard - That is exactly how I feel, my friend.  It's a big deal! 

June - It sounds like you have already read the bill?  I agree that we need real change in the health care system.  I can't speak to the Canadian experience, because I have never even visited Canada, much less lived there.  I know that a lot of people get their prescription drugs from Canada, which does say something.  Our costs are crazy-high here.

9:26pm • #18

Pre-existing conditions are a huge concern, what good is health-care coverage without it? Looking forward to getting some insight into the bill through your efforts, thanks!

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When I had my second/last child in 1998, I was told by the doctor's office , "we already have socialized medicine; they're just not calling it that."  My OB/Gyn stopped delivering babies soon afterwards...tired of paying the high malpractice insurance along with all of the red-tape involved with insurance companies. It is sad that "the system" is making good doctors want "out". I am thankful for the wonderful health care we have in the USA currently. I am concerned that the changes coming down the pike will alter the quality and affordability of health care. I suppose preventative maintenance is key!!  A cheerful heart is good medicine!! Prov. 17:22

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Sara - Do you mean that coverage is only helpful if it includes any pre-existing conditions?  If so, I agree 100%.  Thanks for reading!

Sonja - I haven't seen anything that would alter the affordability of our health care, and I guess with our annual family bills reaching astronomical proportions, it's difficult to imagine it going even higher, but I could be wrong. 

10:39pm • #21

That is pretty intense. We need more people like you that will take the time to invest in the future. How do you feel about the bill now?

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Jason - I have bookmarked this post and I will dig into it tomorrow when I have more time, thanks for the information and post.

                          

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James - So far, I think it vests an awful lot of power in the to-be-created role of Health Commissioner.  I am almost 100 pages into it as of tonight.  I have notes from Title II that I will share sometime soon.  There are some odd passages that make me wonder why this particular Act is exempt from the normal rules that govern federal agency behavior.

11:44pm • #24
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Bob - You are welcome!  Let me know if you have any questions as you read this.  I will have more to share soon.

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Are you sharing your thoughts with your Representative and Senator? Even more importantly, are they listening?

12:22am • #26

I read it and dissected it as soon as it was available on the Internet, which was a lot earlier than a lot of people realize. One just has to know where to go to get materials. The Internet is a big world.

In the interest of disclosure, I'm of no religion since they all are man-made. I simply am. I'm socially and politically liberal, believing as Mr. Spock from Star Trek does, that the needs of the many must outweigh the needs of the few.

I also have pre-existing conditions, and when my current-husband-but-then-domestic-partner quit Borders Books & Music to become a Realtor in August 2005, we had COBRA for 18 months, but the cost was over $800 a month for the two of us. Fortunately Borders is a progressive company that provides insurance to the domestic partners and spouses of its employees. During the 18 months that we were covered by COBRA, we were trying to get insurance, but the lowest quote we got was $1,187, and after applying, they all turned us down anyway because of my pre-existing condition. We finally decided that if the opportunity presented itself, Jim should go back to work at Borders while still working as a Realtor. He now works full time at Borders as an Operations Manager while also working full time as a Realtor. I also have several full time jobs, two of which are represented here at ActiveRain. Our health insurance through Borders for both of us, including dental and vision, is $124 a month, and co-pays and caps are extremely reasonable.

I think the problem with health insurance is that someone somewhere decided that everyday health maintenance should be paid by insurance companies. Health insurance should be for catastrophic events, not the everyday "I have a cold can you prescribe me something?" visits. If we did away with those costs, we'd all have better heatlh insurance because we as a buying public wouldn't be nickle and diming the insurance companies. To put it in perspective, I don't expect my auto insurance to pay for oil changes or new tires when the old ones wear out. I don't expect my home insurance to pay for a new door hinge, a new door, a kitchen remodel, or whatever. We need to take responsibility for our own actions or lack of actions and save the insurance for the catastrophe over which we have no control -- Hurricanes, wildfires, earthquakes, etc.

Nothing in the bill caused me great consternation. What caused me great consteration is how the Palins of the world can distort something so badly. Did they not go to school and learn not only how to read English but how to comprehend what they read?

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Jason -- thanks so much for working your way through this bill!  I managed to get through part of it and than gave up as sooooooo much appreared to be goobly-gook and of a strange language!

As an independent voter/citizen the bottom line for me is that the country needs health care reform but not a one-payer system run by the government.  I feel this country and all it means to us was founded on free enterprise and freedom of religion.  It seems to me that now the govt is trying to change the whole concept of the Constitution and the intent of the founding fathers.

Re health fare the govt could make rules that would enable tort reforms so dr's and insurers didn't have to protect against unreasonable law suits; insurers should operate across states for pricing and on and on -- but NOT a one payer system run by the government!

Sue of Robin and Sue

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Jason:  The cost of this bill and progam may seem high, but doing nothing regarding the current state of health care, its management, and accessibility for all americans costs us more so ... a cost in dollars and in health.  My wife and I, as you, have health concerns that cause nightmarish insurance and monetary realities for us.  We are obviously not alone. 

Our general practitioner recently gave up his practice because he no longer found practicing medicine a pleasurable (or profitable) occupation.  His days simply had become bogged down in endless paperwork ... and he suffered increasingly high insurance premiums to protect him from litigous patients.  We know of 3 other doctors that have recently taken the same route and opted out of practicing medicine, as well.  Obviously there is a real problem .. one that needs to be addressed.

I agree with Richard though.  Politics needs to be set aside.  

We must take the time, whatever is needed and called for, to make sure that the changes enacted are made for the right reasons and truly aid and mend the problems that exist within the current health care system.  I heartily applaud you for the undertaking of your monumental task of reading this entire bill.  I will watch for your further updates regarding your understanding of it.  Thank you for your efforts on all of our behalfs.

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Jason, Kudos for reading this bill. I hope that Congress will proceed slowly on this bill and not ram it down the American citizens throats. Tenncare (a similar program) almost bankrupted Tennessee. Thankfully, the Governor had the kahoonas to step in and heavily modify the program and take 2/3's of the wenchers off the program. A bill like this this allows for a lot of abuse and corruption...

Helping you live your American dream...

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Jason, What a monumental task!  Thanks for doing this.  I lived in Canada for twenty years and their system is good.  There are some instances where chemo and surgery are more difficult to get immediately but over all it works well.  My mother in law, who was also my friend, was a bit of a hypochondriac.  She had so many MRI's that I told her we were going to put her on a "frequent flyer program".  Thanks again, Jason.

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First, Jason, kudos for taking this on!!!  I've not read it, but certainly do believe that something needs to be done.  For those concerned about the "government getting between you and your doctor", the fact is the INSURANCE COMPANIES already do that!  Ever have your doctor say you need a certain procedure, or you need to remain in the hospital for a certain period of time and have your insurance company say NO!"  How many people who currently have coverage are winding up in situations where their insurance company squeezed through a loophole and denied payment.  This is obscene! 

And for those who say "we don't want socialism"!  All I can say is take a look at our educational system!!!  Taxpayers pay so ALL children can attend. 

Despite the claims of what change will cost in terms of dollars and lives, the cost of doing nothing is much higher.  Time for politicians to stop "running for office" and START DOING WHAT THEY WERE ELECTED TO DO...for the good of THE COUNTRY...not just their political careers! 

5:32am • #32

Good article, thanks for doing this work for us.  Im working full time and doing real estate full time, so I dont have the time to get into the details of politics like I used to, so I certainly appreciate your work.  Looking forward to future posts.  Thanks again!

Anthony Trevino
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Jason, that is a huge task you have undertaken, I applaud and appreciate your efforts.

There are great comments here, we all have a vested interest in this, and very different opinions I am sure.

I heard Sen. Kennedy quoted so many times over the weekend, "health care is a right, not a privilege", and we would all do well to remember that. But right now it seems to be a privilege.

And as I was typing this an attorney commercial was on the TV, talking about medical malpractice....

Judi Bryan has made a fantastic point, the insurance companies ARE getting between us and our doctors. And how about this, (I wrote this before in another comment section of a post). Years ago my job at a hospital was to work with uninsured or under-insured patients. Burn out tough, heartbreaking job. I attended a seminar, the guest speaker had worked for a large insurance company. They followed the 3 inch rule. They measured the piles of claims that came in, then throw out what was over the allowed measurement for the stack.

Ponder that, these are the companies that make YOUR health decisions.... I realize that was a "few" years ago, but if you think that is not still happening, perhaps not in that exact fashion, but trust me, it is still happening. (I think the banking industry recently adopted the "one inch rule" if you ask me, but that is a different post).

Jason, thank you for undertaking such a noble task!

6:00am • #34

You are AWESOME Jason!  We should all take the time to read this bill, including elected officials.

Although you've just begun reading it, you have lots of questions about definitions and clarification of many items so it says we're not there yet.  For Example:  define pre-exisiting

  •     is that a condition inherited that you don't have yet such as heart disease that runs in your family?  Are we going to be forced to go through genetic testing to determine pre-existing conditions?
  •     is it because you take a prescription to prevent a condition (for example, I take synthroid, a very   mild dose just to align my thyroid level) yet it is defined as a pre-existing condition?

Like so many of the policies that have already been passed in a short amount of time from this administration before they're ready to be used (loan modification program, cash for clunkers), we're not prepared to address the main issues in the mainstream. 

While I believe in being proactive to do something to help Americans, we need to be ready to address many of the valid points you brought up and not just pass a bill for someone's political career.  We do need reform but not increased government control.

 

6:05am • #36

Jason,

I too commend you on this monumental task! You are taking on more than the politicians who will sign it will do.

I strongly believe no matter how good this Bill is, we cannot afford it. Our Trillions of dollars of current debt should put this Bill on the shelf. I want to go spend a month on the beach in Hawaii but I'm not there because I can't afford it!. Why is this health care bill even a topic of conversation?????

Another point about Government sponsored health care.... it is not a Right to have health care, or prescriptions, or food, or homes. There are programs in existence which provide all of these things for those in need and I am all for them. Improve the programs without nationalizing (socializing) them. Our current crop of politicians are too selfish and/or lazy to do the hard work and the complicit media is too partisan to hold the politicians feet to the fire.

These are challenging times for many of us. I pray that reason and logic will overcome emotions and propaganda.

6:09am • #37

We all need to invest the time to inform ourselves... too many rumors and half-truths are being told and endorsed as fact.

6:27am • #38
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Monumental job.  Thanks for all the hard work.

6:34am • #39

Jason,

I'm sure Knoble House, this is not!  Way to go in getting educated regarding this subject, but be careful what you wish for.  I have found in my few years on this earth that the more I educated myself as to the legislation in this country, the crazier I got.  Having lived in Canada 26 years before I came to the US, I can tell you first hand what I saw.  For the young, the Canadian system is great! No bills, free check ups, (maybe a cast here or there), everything you generally need under the age of 35. HOWEVER, do not be fooled.  I watched many of my friend's Grandparents (and one parent), pass while waiting in line for treatment that was unavailable.  Those that were lucky enough to get treated immediately, went where do you suppose??  That's right, the UNITED STATES.  The Canadian system was almost bankrupted by fraud and over billing (mostly), that could not be kept in check due to the massive amount of paperwork they were receiving.  Also, another factor that we should consider.  My friend's parents were mainly immigrants coming to the country from overseas, and like most, they worked like crazy to bring over both sets of elderly parents to live with them as they could afford to do so.  Here's the problem.   Those two sets of parents, (who had never put one dime into the system) then immediately went on OHIP (Ontario Health Insurance Plan) because they were at the age where they needed services.  All this while neglecting to contribute to the economy.  Make no mistake that this will happen in the US, as once Health care is passed, amnesty is sure to follow.  Canada's system is on the brink of collapse, and they only have about 30 million people!  Try 350 Million and counting.  We need reform (mainly tort) which is why so many Physicians are leaving the business.  They have to order 10 unnecessary tests to avoid being sued, and malpractice insurance is astronomical.  Let's get to the real issues, and make it better for all of us.  We have the best Health Care system in the world, it just needs tweaking (I use that loosely).

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Jason, my congratulations to you. 1100 pages is a lot to slog through. Wish you were a Congressman, since I doubt most of our Congress persons will do what you are doing!

I have one concern, though. Why should insurance companies make a big profit on the sickness of its policyholders? Do fire stations make a profit on our houses burning down? Do police departments make a profit on keeping us safe? Why should our personal health, and the health of our nation, be any different?

Some health insurance companies propose to make a 35% profit on sickness as opposed to the current 20-25% profit they currently enjoy. That means that when we get sick, we'll have to pay more out of our pockets. Many companies (healthcare or not) used to be happy with single-digit profits, and profits over 10% were considered fantastic. Times have indeed changed when diabetes or heart disease becomes a profit center.

Thanks so much for your thoughtful critique. I'll be looking for more of your articles!

6:49am • #41
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Jason!  What a Tour de force to actually read every word in the bill.  One of the issues it seems to point up is that it is very hard to insure people in a for-profit model.  That has been my arugment against managed care for years.  When I was in my former field,  we knew it was unworkable - we knew that from the late 1990s - but no one listened. Tort reform would help, as would more competition in the private sector but NEITHER is going to be the magic bullet that many of the proponents promise.  Increasing access is paramount and given the trajectory that prices are taking, SOMETHING must be done - and soon.

I did post a blog yesterday - inviting people to share experiences - positive, negative about healthcare - here and elsewhere.  If people are interested in commenting - here is the link.  The idea is to build a compendium of experiences in differenet health care systems.

Jason, if you don't want the link, let me know and I'll remove it.

6:52am • #42

Jason, How can we agree or disagree with a person who is actually reading the bill. We need some type of reform. I just get tired of all the political jockeying that is happening with this issue. I say to all the politicians hammer out a health care reform or go home and shut up, but their ego's are too big for them shut up. 

6:57am • #43
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Jason, congratulations on your herculean efforts.  I wish more people would do it, and now I am inspired to do it myself.

 

However, my inspiration comes from hearing an older colleague in my office say "I had to move up my hip replacement surgery before "ObamaCare" ruins everything...Did you know that Obama wants to take all of the Medicare money and give it to the illegal aliens?  There won't be anything left for people like me!"  I was dumbfounded.  When I asked her where she heard this, she said that it's all over the Internet and Fox News.  Geez....

 

What concerns me are rumors started with fear tactics that grow and change just like that "telephone" game we used to play as kids.  Many people who are opposed to health care reform use fear to generate opposition, and I'm just so tired of it.

 

I can't believe that anyone would not support some kind of health care reform.  Our system is totally out of hand, and is so unfair to many people who don't have insurance.  During this recent recession, I have 3 friends who were laid off and lost health insurance.  Talk about anxiety.  I have another friend who has had to declare bankruptcy because of medical bills - these are all middle class, educated, hard working folks.  I tutor low-income kids and see the effects of lack of medical and dental care every week.  

 

These experiences all make me more open-minded about health care reform.  I'm glad they're trying to tackle this issue, and I think they are brave to do it.  People who are happy with their health care plan don't want any change.  But so many people are not happy with the system and it's so out of control, that I believe we need to make changes.

 

Thank you Jason for sharing the info with us!

7:03am • #44
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I wonder how many of the people who are knocking the health care systems in Europe and Canada have ever lived or worked in these places, paid taxes there and reaped the benefits. I lived in the UK for a while as a (very) young adult and ended up being hit by a car (as a pedestrian and no, I was not looking the wrong way). I went to the ER and had lots of tests, xray's etc. As I was leaving they asked for my postal code - not even my address, just my postal code. And that's the last I heard about it.

My western European friends are often aghast at the work hours and taxes paid by Americans without many of the social & health care programs that they enjoy. The way things work in Denmark perhaps would not work in the US but just because a program is government sponsored or mandated doesn't mean it's from the fifth circle of hell.

Well done, you on reading a making sense of this proposal. My hat is off.

7:18am • #45

Jason, I think we all need to understand, this PROPOSED health care bill is NOT the final bill.  We can all sit around and get our panties in a wad over this section or that section, but in the end, I think there is going to be a lot of expended energy for absolutely nothing.  I'm taking a wait and see position.  I'll wait till the final bill hits the news stands, then try to take it apart bit by bit.  While I wait, I'm putting no stock in other people's "opinions" or interpretations of the current bill as it stands.

7:19am • #46

Thanks so much for doing this and more importantly for your objectivity which is refreshing. I want to see a bill that makes sense for all of us.  I look forward to your continued posts. I really appreciate your taking this on. 

Gayle Fleming
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Jason,

Wow...impressive undertaking.  There are two immediate 'red flags' for me when it comes to any kind of legistlation. 

  1. The first is when it is pushed through so quickly (the used sale car tactic...if you don't buy it now it will be gone) that no one really has a chance to critique it
  2. The second is when it is so lengthy and involved that no one is ABLE to critique it.

This bill feels like too big of an undertaking at once.  It's such a huge task that it seems like they need to accomplish it in steps.  I don't send my child to kindergarten expecting her to come home doing mulitplication after a few weeks...you task analyize and break things up to managable pieces, one building on the other.  She must learn as she goes.  We have never done anykind of universal healthcare before and I think we are trying to mulitply before we have learned to read possibly.  Just my hunch....I hope I am wrong.

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Hi Jason, you certainly sparked some interesting discussion with your post.  I too commend you for reading the entire bill.  Obviously, there is a lot of misunderstanding in what it actually says.  And there is a lot of personal feeling and prejudice both ways.  It will be interesting to see what you discover.

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I downloaded a copy from the Library of Congress a few weeks ago wanting to see for myself the language about "senior consultations" on medical / end-of-life care and was appalled at the language. At that time it was not a voluntary consultation, the word "mandatory" was the adjective in the language. SINCE THEN, I understand the language (particularly in that section and presumably others) has been "tweaked".  Its hard to keep up with the changes as it is continually morphing.  Good luck to you, it is very DRY reading (to say the least).

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Jason - good for you, I have a copy that I have downloaded and I have studied all of it also. One thing I will say, in it's ponderous form it is very difficult to understand really what they are proposing. Whatever senator who said he would need two lawyers to interpret it was correct. There are a few things you and I interpret differently about it, but, they have been hashed out in different posts, so, I will just say

excellent job to have read it yourself and formed you own opinion rather than a) let other's provide the "talking points" for us or 2) wait around because this is not the final bill.

HB3200 is the only bill available for review right now, and, it is the basis for what is most likely to come out of the house of representatives. We should follow the process and let our comments be noted all the way through.

7:36am • #53
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Thank you for taking on the responsibility of educating us.

7:41am • #54

Just a few thoughts, Jason:

1) We need health insurance reform, not health reform. Healthcare in the US is the best in the world. That's why the President of Italy came here for his major surgery instead of getting treated under his own country's social system of healthcare.  It is also why every year I have several Canadians in their 60's coming here to buy houses to live out their retirement.

2) Insurance companies have already agreed to cover pre-existing conditions in the interest of reform.  Drug companies have also agreed to make their drugs more accessible and afforable in the interest of reform.  These were back room deals made with the Obama adminstration. (Politico)

3) Why did Congress vote down an ammendment that would require them to get their insurance on the public option outlined in HR 3200? (C Span)

4) Why does the administration not make tort reform a part of the reform package so that doctors don't have to order more tests than needed in order to protect them from lawsuits? (Howard Dean)

5) Why doesn't the administration allow insurance companies to sell health insurance policies across state lines in order to spread the risk to them and reduce insurance costs for us? (Wall Street Journal)

6) Since no one in Congress has told us how we are going to pay for this massive program, why don't they just give tax credits to allow us to buy our own insurance, and just pay for the truly poor citizens who aren't able to work and buy insurance?  (Congressional Budget Office report on Health Reform Costs)

Kathy Barkulis
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Hi Jason,

Thank you for taking the time to go through this bill one line @ a time. I applaud you for forming your own opinion on this propsal. I look forward to your further posts on this topic. GREAT JOB!!!

7:51am • #56
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About 9 years ago, my family purchased our insurance from Wisconsin (we live in MN.)  We paid app. $250.00 per month.  For some unknown reason, the cross border competition was ended by a bill which made it illegal for insurance companies to sell  across state lines.  We now pay $1200.00 per month for much higher deductables etc.   The initial jump was over $500.00.  There are simple tweaks to a great system, tort reform, open up borders, allow groups to be formed such as NAR etc.

Not to make you a full time watchdog Jason, you are doing more than many of our elected reps, but I would suggest reading the Cap and Trade Bill also.  After reading both, the similarities in the power grab, (more czars, more control to the White House, layer after layer of bureaucracy) become frightening.  After reading them, I become more sure that this is not about healthcare, but more about power, and not power for the people.

Cash for Clunkers should be a wake up call.  My local, small town car dealer is dismayed that he can no longer purchase the low end used cars at auction that he has sold for over 30 years to young familes and singles.  I started out with him, as have many of our community.  He also sells new, and saw the danger in accepting C for C, declining to sign up.  The competition at auction now is driving up the cost of all older vehicles so high, as the metro dealers try to replenish stock they do not need to crush, that he can't get cars for his "young kids".  Instead of helping the poor, they are again punished.  These kids did not qualify for a new vehicle, had nothing to trade, and their they sit.  It seems to be a sign of this administration, if you have something to trade, come to the table.

The administration says that the insurance companies are helping to craft this bill, do you think they are not going to protect themselves? Open competition for two years and see what happens, organizations such as NAR, with huge memberships will be courted..

8:00am • #57
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Jason - Thank you so much for presenting this blog on this vitally important topic.  Many folks are trying to digest the massive amount of legal verbiage contained within the hundreds of pages making up the "plan" while having their minds turned to anger and mush by a PR industry machine fueled by the pharmaseudcial and health insurance giants.

My own political views are Centrist.  I'm an Independent, who generally votes for individuals of both parties,  It depends on whether I am having a conservative response to a liberal idea - or a liberal response to a conservative plan.

Regarding our present state of Health Care in this country, it is beyond need of fixing.  Folks don't realize that we already have Universal Health Care; BUT we have it in its most expensive and unmanageable form.  Currently, the uninsured use hospital emergency rooms as their primary care facility.  This doesn't come cheaply, and hospitals simply pass the costs associated with the non-paying public, by charging more for care and billing those that are insured.  This results in higher premiums.  The downside to using Emergency Rooms as primary care facilities is also the loss of efficiency in the emergency environment, as health providers grapple with triaging multitudes of patients that vary from extreme emergency and trauma, to the common cold.

I also believe we need a single payer system in order to contain costs.  There is a reason prescription medications are available in Canada for less than half what they are in this country.  It's because their single payer system has the clout to negotiate those prices downward.

Having a single payer system does not mean folks have to give up their current coverage.  In the case of Medicare, the majority of seniors have a health provider or medical group to implement their health needs.  These include Kaiser's Senior Advantage. AARP uses United Health Care.  Blue Cross and other groups also present plans to lockstep with Medicare to implement care.

With all this being said however.  I am 100% against covering non-documented aliens.  Its bad enough that we have individuals who break our laws to come into this country.  Its quite another to reward them for doing so!

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If you look at the statistics on the percentage of our GNP that goes for healthcare, and then compare it to the countries that have the "single payor" system (national health care) you will find that our percentage is way higher than theirs. And still there are too many of us that do not get any healthcare.  I know of some Canadians that live in the USA that appreciate the healthcare opportunities here, but that still maintain their Canadian citizenship just so they can take advantage of the Canadian system should they ever need to.

Something needs to be done, and soon.  There more of us that get informed about this, the more we can hold the politians feet to the fire. This means that they will have to become better informed so that they can respond to our concerns, which means that the special interests -- that is, those whose interests are not the same as mine -- will have a tougher time inserting their pet provisions into the final bills.

Enough about Socialized medicine already! Lets talk about the benefits and advantages rather than the rhetoric. Labels can and do confuse the real issues, eg: "pro Life". Is there anyone out there who is "anti life"? But I digress.

Thank you Jason, for your efforts here.

8:02am • #59

Jason, Thanks, I glad someone is doing this. I commend you for taking the time out from your broker duties to take on such a great task. I will be following your reports.

Thanks

~Captain Wayne~

Wayne Rowlett, Rowlett Career School
8:11am • #60

I will be interested in seeing the comments on the public health insurance option.  Frankly, I think we need this as it is the only way of driving the existing insurance costs down.  If it becomes a national system, then so be it.  The 30 odd developed countries that have better heath systems that the USA no doubt have relied on public financing to make their systems affordable.  I lived in Hong Kong for 4 years and had blue cross coverage there for a fraction of the cost for the same policy in the USA.  We need a major change. 

Bob Venard
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Just a few insights to Kathy B's post:

It seems logical to me that as long as the only option that we afford Amerian citizens for health insurance is provided by private insurers who are required to turn a profit for shareholders, the inherent conflict of interest (i.e. profits vs. care) will always swing to the side of profits. And can you really blame them?

Aside from the rare news headline of the philanthropic business owner who is willing to keep all of his/her staff on payroll while their company loses money year after year, virtually all business HAVE to turn a profit. That's kind of the point of most businesses in the first place.

The problem in this case is that we aren't talking about socks or vegetables or cars. We're talking about peoples' lives. I can live with that fact that the company who makes the cereal I like cares more about making money than whether I get healthier from eating their cereal. However, I don't accept the premise that all Americans are subject to the rule that profit matters more than their health.

It just seems to me that if ANY human or social services are provided to a people by its government, it should be health care. We are all fine with our tax dollars paying for education, roads, and emergency services. And rarely does anyone cry foul that these are socialist tactics. Sure, in many cases they are far from perfect. But by and large, the accessibility to these services serves the greater good quite well.

As for as how to pay for health care, there's clearly no mystery there. Where does the government get money to pay for anything? Tax revenue, spending cuts, or borrowing (or some combination thereof). Now, I firmly agree that we need to balance our budget and stop the bleeding. However, I don't agree that because it will cost money that we should leave health care privatized.

I'd agree in a heartbeat to pull 100% of our troops (including the expensive private security forces like Blackwater) out of Iraq and Afghanistan tomorrow. The money spend on the wars alone would make a pretty nice dent in the cost of publicly-funded health care.

As for why Congress won't agree to take the public option health insurance for themselves, I can see both sides of that argument. On the one hand, it would be nice to think of our Congressmen and women as salt-of-the-earth, "just like you and me" Americans. The reality though is that many of them come from wealthy backgrounds and just like I don't think any other American should be denied any form of health care that they are willing to pay for, I think that our Senators and Representatives should be allowed to buy any type of health care that they want.

Whether we have to PROVIDE the type of insurance they currently receive (thanks to our tax dollars) is definitely a fair topic for debate. I'd be quite happy to give them all a monthly credit equal to the cost of family health care via the public option. Then they could either opt for the public plan or go out and buy the private policy of their choosing (of course covering any overage out of their own pocket).

Jason...hats off to you for taking your civic responsibility so seriously. How about if we make it a prerequisite that before anyone is allowed to complain about any proposed legislation, they have to read it for themselves? We obviously can't just trust elected officials to be honest about what's in there. Maybe someday, constituents will make it clear (through their voting choices) that honesty matters. I know...wishful thinking.

8:16am • #62

Jason,
Thanks for taking the time to read this bill and present a synopsis to us.  Your perspective will be valuable.  I have 2 concerns, though....1) the inevitable amendments and 2) the future consequences and costs.

I look forward to your next installment.

8:17am • #63

THANK YOU Jason for taking this on...  I must admit I would never have the time to do this, but I found your synopsis VERY informative and thought provoking.  I too have had crummy insurance under the Virginia "Standard" Plan by Blue Cross, basically $5,000 deductible HSA - before that I was stuck in an HMO and being stuck in the corner was no fun - they ran my premiums up from $269 10 years ago over $1,100 in 2008 - finally I had had enough and switched so it's been a struggle since Pre-Existing is my major issue, given back surgery.  No regular insurer will touch me.  So I have until 10/15/2009 to get past that restriction on my new plan, but after that I'm still paying $600 a month for insurance that doesn't kick in until the deductible is satisfied... six in one, half dozen in the other... when you do the math.

But again, thanks for taking this on... I plan to follow you with the updates as you progress through the bill.   Hopefully there will be some level of bi-partisn  compromise in the final bill that HOPEFULLY makes it to the President's desk.   I am most interested in the public option, since that is where the field will be leveled for all the players - as it stands, with no public option, it will continue to tilt in favor of the insurance companies who are just slaughtering us, financially. 

Again, thank you for taking this on.

 

Bob

 

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Good discussion to get started here at AR.  With all the talented minds we have here, we ought to be able to solve this health care issue if we put our minds to it.  We'll send our findings to congress, get our bill enacted and then we will get the Pulitzer Prize or something like that!

I believe the goodness of a nation should be measured, to some extent, on how well that nation takes care of those who cannot take care of themselves. 

We as a nation have been lacking in that area and I don't see the harm in trying to find a way to help those in need of health care and can't get it.  I do not have the solution; I have left it to the congress and the private insurance industry to battle it out.  As yet they have done nothing.

If some sort of health care system was adopted by the government, I believe we would still have private insurance and could choose between the two.  That is what they do in countries like Great Britain I believe.  Correct?

8:22am • #65

It is good to hear that there are many rational folk in the USA that realize that your health care system needs reform.  I am a Canadian and my husband and I are in our 60's, not 30's, (re: Mark Hansen's comment) and have never been denied or had to wait longer than appropriate for all our health care needs.  I watched 20/20 on Friday evening and was shocked at how they presented proprosed change in your system.  Fox news is even worse. Kudos to those of you who realize that much reform is needed in your country in this area and taking the time to check out what really is proposed.  It is unfortunate that so many like Suddendeath9 who commented can see reform only as Communism!

8:24am • #66

Great Job!  I'll be watching this post.  You've inspired me!

Jamie Harrington
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Jason - This bill scares some, and give hope to others. But as someone who has seen this in real life, I will tell you that if it passes, the cost estimate will not be even close to what really happens. I know that because it was implemented in Tennessee during the Clinton administation. The convinced democrats controlling government in Tennessee decided to implement the Plan (Tenncare), and I'm sure if it succeeded, it would have been all over the news as a model of how this system works. Instead the cost excalated to double it's orignal estimate, and put Tennesse as a state on the edge of bankruptcy.

Now that Tenncare has been dismantled, you never hear about it. But the damage it did to the hospitals that failed, and doctors who moved to other states so they could get paid, is still lingering. As far as the big profits that insurance and healthcare companies make, I don't see it. I live in Nashville, where healthcare management companies are almost all based. The profits of these companies (if they have any), are usually less than 4 percent if they are having a good year.

To think that government can run these companies better than private industry would be ignoring history.

 So far we have no cases where government is more efficent than private industry. Period.

8:33am • #68

Jason: Thank you for your frankness in your own background and also for being level headed enough to approach the bill with an open mind.  I am also a strong christian. I am a democrat but believe strongly in the need for people of all points of view to do exactly what you are doing and be willing to have an honest and open discussion and be willing to compromise.  I find that the best legislation using happens when level headed legislators get together to find common ground.  I think Congress and Americans tend to think that it has to be all or nothing.  I look forward to reading more about your take on the bill....

Cheri Kuhn
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Let me throw this in. Whatever is not specifically excluded in most insurances policies is automatically included.

That would include abortions which are not excluded even though they're also not mentioned.

8:38am • #70

Maybe if taxpayers did not pay for government employee's health care, something more would be done about this issue.

Thanks for your post and I look forward to reading more from you!

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Jason  You are one "brave"  soul to read the bill, but it doesn't surprise me.  We certainly will benefit from your efforts and I for one am extermely grateful.  The advisory pane really concerns me as their powers seem limitless - not recommended for democracy  Karen

8:50am • #74

Jason,

Amazing venture that you are taking on!  Thanks for the synopsis and comments so far.  My biggest question in all this is how are they going to pay for something like this?  They have as yet to manage Social Security at a good enough level to actually have it when I retire.  I already know not to expect it to be there when I retire. 

However, like you, I have faced high premiums due to pre-existing conditions.  If they could address some of that and not treat "individual" policies different from "group" plans, I think it would solve a lot of the problems out there.  With small businesses making up such a great portion of businesses out there, if they would allow pools of insurance groups versus just individual policies, I think it would solve more than trying to not put caps on things and allow "everyone" the ability to get into an insurance policy.  From a functioning standpoint, I don't see how they can legislate that or police that if they put it in place.  It would put most insurance companies out of business because they couldn't stay in business at all with the overwhelming expenses.  (Not that I'm a proponent of insurance groups - I just know they are a necessary evil.) 

But I do believe the debate on this bill is because there is so much generalities and not really defined areas.  That's the scary part.  They all want to get caught up in debate on it, but it doesn't seem like they are doing what you are doing and really READING the full thing trying to understand the impact of it all.  Keep it coming.  I'd like to see what your other commentaries are.  It does impact all of us, maybe in a good way and maybe in a bad.  Time will tell.

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Well done Jason!

You're probably reading this more in depth than some of our elected officials.

While I've not read it, I'm hoping that the country can find some even ground and help those who are truly in need of it.

 

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Jason, I really admire your undertaking, and I look forward to the many thorns in this bill you will uncover. Even if there are some good provisions, they are buried in the rhetoric of the bill, and there are so many words without a clear definition that no one will really know what everything means. In your opening you cite "Sec. 246. No Federal payment for undocumented aliens" and " Sec. 401. Tax on individuals without acceptable health care."

It's easy enough to give amnesty and therefore remove the "undocumented" status. As far as "acceptable" - who decides? This is what I mean.

I will never support a broad sweeping bill like this. In the first place, Congress does not have the Constitutional authority to act, but that won't stop them. In the second place, it is intentionally and verbose and ambiguous. :)

Steve

9:08am • #79
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For or against....it is what is is (or will be) and that's that!

Patricia Aulson/portsmouth nh homes

9:08am • #80
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I wish our PAID legislators would read this thing.  Obviously even the editors/spell checkers were rushed.  I certainly hope the next time an election rolls around a whole lot of people are tossed out on their guaranteed retirement butts.  Better to pay them for doing nothing than pay them for screwing up the whole system. 

Even if we don't watch the news much, our clients certainly do and this is the sort of thing that stops many dead in their tracks before they even consider investing in real estate.  And, I can't say that I blame them.  More and more we're finding ourselves in a communist state.  Now we even have a card carrying communist advising the president.  Google Van Jones and check out the latest thug.

 

9:16am • #81
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I applaud you for taking the step to read through the bill and have your own opinion. I wonder what the benefit would be in creating another "czar" other than to give the executive branch more power. 

On another note, Have you read Voddie Bauchum's Family Driven Faith? 

9:33am • #83

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Thank you, Jason, for your diligent homework and good luck in understanding jargon that can be interpreted differently by many. Michael, however, had an excellent question regarding Preventive Care Medicine. My father lived to see 97; recovered from Cancer of the Bladder in his 60's, took long walks, ate healthy breakfasts all his life and was a preventive care advocate.  For many years, after my mother passed away, he visited a preventive care doctor and when he was too old to remember when to take his pills his girlfriend assisted him. Dad never had longer than a two week stay in a hospital, for pneumonia, when he was 95.  As a young man he had tuberculosis and his doctor said he would probably not live past 50, if he did not quit smoking so he quit.  Not to say that we would all have the discipline my Dad had, or possibly good genes, however, why not save tax dollars by including Preventive Care and, of course, if health care wasn't such a money maker, we would not be encouraged to visit the doctor as much as we are practiced in doing. Thank you for taking the initial steps of posting your thoughts, based on difficult to understand facts. Our voices need to be heard.

Linda Alverzo-Wheeler, Better Homes and Gardens Rand Realty, Ora
9:37am • #84

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Thank you, Jason, for your diligent homework and good luck in understanding jargon that can be interpreted differently by many. Michael, however, had an excellent question regarding Preventive Care Medicine. My father lived to see 97; recovered from Cancer of the Bladder in his 60's, took long walks, ate healthy breakfasts all his life and was a preventive care advocate.  For many years, after my mother passed away, he visited a preventive care doctor and when he was too old to remember when to take his pills his girlfriend assisted him. Dad never had longer than a two week stay in a hospital, for pneumonia, when he was 95.  As a young man he had tuberculosis and his doctor said he would probably not live past 50, if he did not quit smoking so he quit.  Not to say that we would all have the discipline my Dad had, or possibly good genes, however, why not save tax dollars by including Preventive Care and, of course, if health care wasn't such a money maker, we would not be encouraged to visit the doctor as much as we are practiced in doing. Thank you for taking the initial steps of posting your thoughts, based on difficult to understand facts. Our voices need to be heard.

Linda Alverzo-Wheeler, Better Homes and Gardens Rand Realty, Ora
9:37am • #85
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I wish more people would read the documents before forming an opinion, like you have.  I have held back forming an opinion because I personally have not read them.  I do know from past experience the simpler the solution the better, with control of the program balanced.

I get emails from family and friends that are nothing but distractions and everyone I have researched has been false information.  These are forwarded by the followers (sheep).  I choose to form my own opinion and I will once I have evaluation all the factual information I will form an opinion.

Jason keep up the good work.

9:39am • #86
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Thanks Jason !   you comment that the proposed bill would provide money for abortions.  Not so as the " Hyde Amendment " expressly forbids federal money for abortions.  Well done.

9:44am • #87
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Jason - You are a God for attacking this project.  The comments you have received are illuminating as well.  Just the sheer volume of this bill creates too many possible interpretations which will dilute its intent, no matter what that intent is.  Thanks for your hard work and I will be watching for the next update.

9:50am • #88

Jason, thanks for taking on this very challenging debate.  My husband and I are both self-employed and in 2007, I was diagnosed with a very serious disease.  Trying to get health insurance has been a circus act every since.  

Being neither a Democrat or Republican and generally finding fault with them all.  I applaud the Obama administration for raising this issue and taking on this battle.  This bill is not perfect (and non are), but this country has watched a health insurance/medical industry burn carelessly out of control with seemingly no end insight for many years.  So with the good points, bad points and even confusing points to the bill, I simply applaud this administration for stepping up to the plate and bringing this issue front and center.  

Progress must have a starting point and now that we've started let's continue to make our voices heard to the end.

Kuddos to you for starting the reading process...I too have spent several hours reviewing the passages in the bill and I too will continue to make my voice heard on this issue.    

9:52am • #89

such arrogance from  the current administration as they wedge the federal government into yet another place they have no rightful role.  banking, autos, insurance and brokerages were first.    there is no "right" to health care anymore than theres a "right" to a comfy bed.

here's a great treatment of the issue and a few very well considerded suggestions from a guy who is knee deep in it daily.  i don't shop at whole foods but might start after reading this guys proposal...please cut and paste

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204251404574342170072865070.html

only the government could screw up bill so bad they needed 1100 pages.  here's a suggestion...and it can be on one page.  let anyone who wants to pay for medicare style insurance do so.  problem solved.

dear mr. obama, no thank you!  and shouldn't you be continuing your bailout of goldman sachs?

9:53am • #90

Jason,  Thank you for taking this on...and simplifying it for us.  The USA needs a health care system reform and it is beyond  fixing. My hope is that we can find the answers for the ones that truly need it. I am looking forward to your updates. Again thank you.

9:54am • #91

Jason:  Thanks for your comments.  It certainly should open more discussion.  It would be nice if more that commented offered suggestions on how to change the system instead of just criticizing what has been proposed.  I look forward to seeing the rest of your analysis.  Trace Ergle Lakeside Realty Cumming Georgia

Trace Ergle
9:56am • #92

Thank you for devoting the time. I wish we were all so busy earning a living that we did not have the time! I agree that our Congress should be reading this and ALL the on air pundits (left AND right), must quote directly from it, not make up names of sections and to scare or incite the public.

I did work in the medical field before becoming a Realtor. It is very hard work for those in the trenches, even doctors!! We do need some reform of our system, the insurance companies, medical manufacturing, drug companies and hospital systems make tons of money and their upper management get paid extremely well. I am not impressed by them, most of those high up administrators are over paid and only care about the bottom line, not sick people and employees. 

10:06am • #93
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Jason - Thanks for taking on such a task.  Reading 1,100 pages of legalese is not an easy chore, and why I am not reading it myself.  I will check back as you make progress to read your notes.  Something tells me you are reading this much more closely than those legislators who will be voting on the bill

10:08am • #94
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Jason, good for you.....I wonder how many Americans have taken the time to read and then digest the bill as it stands now. With all of the legalese, etc. I suspect, not many. I shall enjoy following your ongoing insights. I really feel something needs to be done - would like something that more clearly and succinctly spells out optional proposals - in ten pages or less.  Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

10:10am • #95
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Jason - your post wasn't long at all compared to reading all the comments it invoked!  You sure have forced a lot of us to actually stop and take notice of what is actually being said instead of the political bantering we hear on the evening new.  I think it's a shame though that ..bills put forth aren't in plain English.  Thanks for taking the time to keep us informed.  I'm off to see if I can't find a copy myself.

10:16am • #97
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Jason, I have not attempted to read this bill, But applaud, you for taking on this task and providing the AR members your synopsis.  Look forward to more posts on this subject.

10:28am • #99

I am so glad to see that someone other than me has try to read through this stuff. I find myself at an awh with all the information that is contained in this bill and really wonder if our elected officials have taken as much time to read this.

Ed Aquino
10:30am • #100
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TO ALL:  Wow!  I was happy to log in today to find so many interesting comments.  I will respond to each of you individually, although I know that it will take some time, just like reading this bill.  I am working my way through the second "Title" of the bill right now. 

THANK YOU to everyone who took the time to read this post and to leave your remarks.  I hope to learn a lot from this experience, and to engage in a productive conversation about this topic.

10:33am • #101

I commend you for taking on such a task!  I am a senior citizen so am on Medicare.  I have the best coverage I have ever had all my life.  Both my husband and I have been self employed for the majority of our working lives so have never had an employer paid insurance available.  We have been lucky that when we needed it we have been covered, but there have been many years when we had no health insurance as we could not afford to pay the premiums.

I look forward to further blogs from you on this subject as I would never be able to get through all those pages of legalese.

10:38am • #102
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Jason, great job reading through this HUGE bill!  But it is SO important and great that you took the time to actually read it instead of listening to so much of thepropaganda going around, just designed to scare people about this bill.  Bottom line, we need insurance reform, the present system is broken and breaks too many people's lives trying to pay astronomical medical bills.   We will continue to see people facing foreclosure even after the current market stabilizes if we do not have affordable health care for the citizens of this country.

10:42am • #103

Jason,

I would be interested to know your views on the following.

Why not fix whats wrong and keep whats right? Are you comfortable with having a government employee determining your health care course of action or your doctor? Do you believe health care will have to be rationed based on the increased participants and the available health care practitioner's? I am not sure one would incure the high cost, debt and time to go to medical school if their income will be determined by a "Health Czar". Will health care for eldearly be based on a "cost benefit analysis"? Will an operation be approved for your 83 year old father who may die in 7 years anyway or will that money be better spent for a 34 year old man? Do you believe these are valid question?

I ask these questions because you are takeing the time to actually read the bill and perhaps you will be able formulate your opion on the above topics.

11:04am • #105

Thanks so much for reading and summarizing for us Jason.  I bet you are an incredibly service oriented REALTOR who does a great business because you are thorough and generous!

One thing - you mentioned that your wife noticed no mention of birth control.  My assumption is that BC would be covered under prescription drugs.  I know - it's dangerous to assume anything!  And I remember a time when birth control pills were specifically excluded from prescription drugs (in the early 80's) - which made absolutely no sense then or now.  But I think we got over that through court cases and they would probably be included there.

Fabulous job, Jasson! 

Monica Mullholand
11:04am • #106
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Jason... do you sleep at all? Thanks for the insights. I still opt for none thanks. Our forefathers didn't need it... neither do I. You are amazing brother!

 

11:05am • #107
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Bless you for reading one of the versions of the controversy.  It appears the public is very tired of the last two presidents shoving down items without reasonable discussion in a reasonable time.  This naturally causes friction.  Thus, here we are.  We all want a fix and the smart understand that a government run system will not be efficient due to the lack of profit.  We all understand that there will be a lack of physicians; but, as long as there is an option not to use a government system in whatever proposal is passed, I am game.  I had the option of choosing public schools or private schools.  Why do the public colleges work so well? Competition. 

11:21am • #109
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Jason,

Good job wading through this stuff.  I am sure there are some appealing aspects of this bill to even the most conservative person like my self. I do not claim to have a full understanding of every nuance of the bill.

My concern is not only the parts I might disagree with, but how the parts fit together, what is written between the lines (and I think you hit on that some), and the unintended consequences or any piece of legislation.  Worse yet is the intended consequences we are not told about.

I do not want a health plan that I have to wade through 1300 pages of crap and fight with a government board over for every medical issue.  At least when I have a fight with a health insure I might have the government on my side.  If the government is the health insurer, no one will be on my side.

My wife and I just signed up for a health saving account.  Our premiums (with 5 kids) is still about $500.00 a month with dental and vision.  We stick another $5,000.00 in a tax deductible account to pay very large co-pays and deductibles.  But those max out before the Health Savings Account does, so if we do not use our coverage a lot we actual save some money, but if we need it our cost are capped.

I do think some reform is needed, but it should not be the government running the program.  Private market solutions would be the best way.

11:24am • #110

I too applaud your methodical method and your commitment to reading the bill.  I am most certain that many of us will check back from time to time to see what you have found.  Many opinions will be formed by your work.  May God give you wisdom and insight and the where-with-all to finish the work.

Lonnie Good
11:25am • #111

Thanks Jason.  I've reposted this.  And copied and pasted it onto my facebook, with your name at top.  If more people could do this... more of us would actually be READING the Bill.  What a concept!  To read something before taking a position?   I join all the others in praising you for sharing the fruits of your efforts.  Bravo!  (also sent you a friend request on facebook... )   Thank you again.

http://mccoyreo.com

A Broker and property manager near Sacramento, CA

11:27am • #112
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Wow - you're setting out to do what no member of Congress is doing - try to understand the health care bill. I applaud you. I also applaud you for saying that you're reading it with regard to how it affects you personally. I don't think most people would admit that - and of course Congress doesn't need to consider that because they already have good health care.

I agree that this appears to put too much power in one person - and it's scary that the person is an appointee rather than someone "We the people" can fire.

I wonder how they will define "health care professionals?" Since services such as chiropractic and acupuncture are far more beneficial to many than are prescription drugs, will their services be covered?

I for one will be looking forward to future posts. Thanks for taking on this huge task!

11:28am • #113
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I haven’t read your blog yet... I want to say first, without any bias opinion formed from the blog’s content, I admire your fantastic initiative to self educate.

11:28am • #114

Thank you for sharing Jason.  I really appreciate your honest commentary.  I will be looking forward to reading further blogs of yours. 

Best,

Sandy Reid

11:30am • #115

I have started too, but haven't gotten as far as you have.  I'm going to subscribe to your blog to encourage me to keep on reading this bill.

11:43am • #116
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Wow...that is a daunting task you've taken on, to say the least!  I did read your whole post and am looking forward to further updates from you on this bill.  Thanks, Jason!

11:47am • #117
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Do they have Cliff's Notes on this???  :o)))  Thank you for taking the time to read through this proposed plan and more so to comment on your findings.  I too, am in your boat.  I am a single mom and because of pre-existing conditions, my son and I are uninsurable...for an affordable amount of money.  When my health insurance outpaced my car payment and then my mortgage, I was forced to drop it.  Funny thing is, in paying cash, I am now spending less than I spent on those premiums all those years.  Of course that is for everyday stuff, not catastrophic illnesses or accidents.  I am looking for a solution myself.  Keep reading and sharing!

Jeani Thomas Richie, REALTOR

11:49am • #118
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Jason,

Besides adding my voice of admiration on a task that you put on yourself, I want to only add, that I have huge reservations, and little trust in reading and making an informed opinion.

The problem with any bill that it is the intent to do good. So many times in history the intent to do good brought the unexpected side effects (using medical terminology), that may the whole thing more of a destruction, then a benefit.

It is too tightly woven in the social, economical, demographic, political, and whatever-else-we-can-think-of structure.

If I remember correctly, when there was instituted Social Security and women with children where women had no income, were eligible for help, this very well intended move has resulted in the destruction of strong black families, as economically in many many cases the best thing men could do was to leave. And now we have families where women have no spouses and they are bringing up kids, and neither these women nor their kids ever saw their parents working.

We all have tons of examoles of that. Any radical movement has a high risk of this. And our President is the most radical ever in the history.

11:51am • #119
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Looking forward to reading more!  Thank you so much for putting forth the effort to help your community understand this topic. It's inspiring.

12:19pm • #120

I'm so tired of hearing so many things taken out of context from this bill.  I can't imagine setting down and trying to understand all of the legal jargin of this bill.  You must have a lot of time on your hands or don't need much sleep!

 

I look forward to future posts as you plod your way through these 1300 pages!  I too have prexistings conditions and have been very lucky for a husband who receives excellent insurance through his employer.  Only problem is he has been very unhappy with his job and we would be in a financial mess without it.  He will also someday retire.  Then what?

Amy Sorensen
12:39pm • #123

I appreciate your neutral approach to this issue since so many people have already formed an opinion. However, I wonder why you are spending so much time reading the House version while the Senate has yet to mark up and vote on a bill. As I am sure you know, the Senate version will differ widely from the House and (if) both pass, then it will go to conference for a final bill.  That is what you should be spending your time on, the version that will be enacted (maybe) into law.

 

12:40pm • #124
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'A bit off topic here...  However, I would really like to see NAR provide something affordable for its members.  If we are one of the largest trade organizations (2million) I don't understand why this has not been done.  The limited coverage they offered this year is wholly inadequate. 

12:44pm • #125

Jason,

Great work ... the responses your have received show the interest that your topic generated.

Keep at it ... you have already provided a great service to the readers.

ChuckO'

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12:45pm • #126
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Val,

Yes, LIVES ARE AT STAKE.  There are over 20,000 preventable deaths a year due to our current insurance system and the fact that so many people are excluded from coverage.  For profit models work for somethings, but NOT for health care. Shareholder interests are in direct conflict with the public good and the needs of patients. i worked in a medical field for 15 years - and the private sector will not work for this.

The reason we aren't paying attention to you is that you aren't offering any concrete reasons WHY this bill is bad.  It's all religious and free-market blather.  But we see in front of our eyes how terrible the current system really is.

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It would be a wonderful thing to see congress have to use the plan for their insurance.  I am certain they would then read the whole thing as carefully as you are.  Hey, we can dream can't we.

 

Hercel Spears

1:11pm • #131
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Hi Jason ~ As you now have over 130 comments I would say you've struck a chord with this post. It's nice to see we're actually getting down to discussing the real issues with health reform now. Too much of whats been reported has been little more than a distortion of the facts and scare mongering. I hope many, many more people see your post and appreciate the well-balanced way you've approached the subject.

Denise

1:30pm • #132
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I have read the bill and oppose every paragraph.  In my opinion, the bill takes aways too many of our rights and choices. Val, I believe that insurance companies will be driven out of business.

2:20pm • #135
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Jason. You are "The Man" for taking on this hefty task...if ONLY our Administration would. :-(

I'm a Conservative and proud of it. The bottom line for me is I DON'T WANT THE GOVERNMENT CONTROLLING anymore of MY LIFE than they do now because as we all KNOW, they really can "mess up things." 

I have several friends from Canada and Europe and they are NOT in favor of "socialized" medicine or whatever folks what to call this "plan."

Does the health care in this country need adjusting? You "betcha!" (as Palin would say). Do we want the GOV' to CONTROL it.  NOT for a nano SECOND! 

BUT, all this said, peeps wanting the FREEBIE plan aren't going to change their minds, anymore than peeps NOT wanting it are. 

2:41pm • #136
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4,000 British women had to have their babies in hallways, bathrooms, and elevators due to lack of beds and doctors  -  Read the article in the UK's Dailymail newspaper.

How's that Hope and Change working for you now?

 

2:59pm • #139
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Jason, great work and I thank you. I know that it is hard to find the time to do what you did, but this is important, and I know this affects you are your family because of your pre-existing condition. I wish all discussions about the health care bill were done with the same intelligence and direct commenting you did and you never once told me how I should think.

3:18pm • #140
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Jason:  By reading the entire bill... and making the appropriate commentary... you are offering the rest of us a wonderful and caring service.  So far... you seem to be very honest and non-judgmental about what you are saying... with no "axe" to grind.  Keep up the great work.  I might even like this post of yours more than the two-pound donut one !

3:38pm • #142

Jason you are our Ombudsman. After reading your post and the reponses, I see HR3200 as a sure way for each and every american to relinquish their medical destiny to the state. This is an insidious form of bondage and is very dangerous. And would it not be ironic that it occurred during the watch of America's first African-American president.    

3:56pm • #143
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Wow!  Thanks for taking the time to share all of this with us!  I tried to SUBSCRIBE- AR at the end of your blog and the link is broken..fyi.  Let me know when you get the the health care benefits for the elderly.  I really want to know what will happen to me and my parents.  oh, and where did you get your cool badge at the end of your blog??  Really like that!

3:57pm • #144

Thank you Daniel for sharing the real facts!   Hopefully, this bill will never pass!!

4:05pm • #146
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At least someones reading the bill.  The problem with most of the legislation is that it is to cumbersome to read. 

4:14pm • #147
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Jason,

I would like to add my thanks to you for taking the time to read and write your synopsis on this very important bill.

 

4:34pm • #148
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Jason,

When will you be running for office??? You have my vote already.

David

4:37pm • #149

Hi Jason,

Thanks for doing this.  I just subscribed.  Looking forward to seeing more.

 

Jennifer
4:54pm • #150

Go Bill!

Your comments are straight on.  For the rest of the Canadians commenting (of which I am one) please wake up to our own country's situation. You have to be living under a rock to have not heard the comments of Dr. Anne Doig the incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association!? Perhaps this might jog your memory...Dr. Anne Doig, the incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association, said her country's health care system is "sick" and "imploding," the Canadian Press reported

Full article http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5jbjzPEY0Y3bvRD335rGu_Z3KXoQw

I speak regularly with friends that are world class Oncologists in the Toronto area, that tell me that they consistently refer patients to the US for treatment.  Bill is right that tort reform is one of the most nessesary reforms needed.  I moved to the United States to take advantage of the business atmosphere that rewards those that work hard, and I feel each year that I am paying more and more for people that are becoming more dependant on the Government by the day.  This health care bill is the biggest scam since social seciruty!

I actually had a conversation with a gentleman that was going to tell me that the social security "fund" was alive and well.  Are you kidding me!  Newsflash it is the 20 to 40 somethings that will shoulder the brunt of this financially. (And maybe our children depending on where they want to take this) When SSI started there were 40 workers for every one recipient, and soon it will be the reverse.  This will ring true for health care as well.  Great topic none the less.

4:59pm • #151
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Hi Jason, Thank you so much for taking the time to share all this. It is an inordinate amount of reading and trying to interpret. The saddest thing to me is the our elected representatives don't actually read the entirety of these bills. What this has come to is that the elected representatives become the mouth piece and the vote casters but all too often , they are not fully acquainted with the content and ramifications of bills, even when well intended.I think this fact has come to light and is a major concern for voters and candidates that fill these positions. Perhaps a commitment from candidates that will agree to read and be responsible for what they vote for might useful in future elections.

The bills should be vetted better and this goes for all bills before the chambers and people need to be more involved with understanding better what is actually called for n legislation.

Thanks again Jason, I am so impressed with what you have undertaken and you deserve a lot of credit and our sincere thanks for bringing the essence as well as the actual particulars to light.

5:14pm • #152
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Jason: Thanks for the research. I appreciate it. The one thing I don't think is clear is how much this is going to cost. In other countries, the tax rate is much higher to pay for government run programs. I don't think anyone wants that here. Thanks again!

5:17pm • #153
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Mark, These people must be mighty wealthy....because my father is undergoing treatment for cancer.  His latest round of treatment ran nearly $350k for the year.  World -class oncologists from Canada that are disgusted with the system?  If they are so world-class, and they hate Canada, why are they practicing there?  The could practice here - we have a lot of physicians from other countries.

Oh btw, my father was on a for-profit HMO (Medicare HMO)  I wasn't up agains a government bureaucrat...I was up against an entire insurance company that was bent on having NATURE TAKE ITS COURSE.  They were hoping to stall on basic treatment just long enough for my father to die. Now, REGULAR medicare - no problems - works like a charm he gets what his doctor orders....HMMMMMM.

5:20pm • #154
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Ruthmarie,

But Medicare is failing, and can't sustain the costs. So how yu propose to increase it many times over, when it is a financially troubled system tight now?

All you good intention will stay, the money won't and the result will be severe rationing. And as someone who worked in this field, you sure understand that rationing is not only what you give patients, it is also what doctors learn, as they go not with the science, but with its practical applications, and it is incredibly obvious when you talk even with the best doctors in countries with severe rationing.

You would be fine with a flu and cold (and you will find doctors that would confuse one for another, and I am not kidding). Same thing with pharmaceutical industry, If generic would be the king, you would see the brand, which is simply generic called the brand.

Yes, HC should be better. SO, why not start with what we know is hurting - tort reform? See how much this could save.

Just changing the course, and run the country into the socialism (even if you think that it is not) is a radical thing, that has far more reaching implications that just health care.

In the end result you may easily not get the Health component, but you will be stuck with the government control part.

If England is any sign of things, think about the fact that Britain's health care is the 3rd biggest employer in the world after the Chinese army and Indian Railroads. And Britain is far from being the 3rd largest country in the world.

We unfortunately fail to see that health care is used as Trojan Horse, it moves in quickly, and we do not know who's inside

6:02pm • #155

Jason, Thank you for the work you have put into this bill. I tried to read.. got to about the 20th page.. After reading this post, I am going to go back and give it another try. I also believe this bill is a bad idea.

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I cannot believe you're reading it all Jason! You're an inspiration... we should all educate ourselves about this topic. Thanks for the notes.

6:10pm • #157

I also read the entire bill and some of my concerns matched with yours. I honestly don't understand why the yelling and myths that were spread around this proposed bill which still needs to go under negotiation in order to be approved and become law. Great job!

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Thank you for reading the bill.  Perhaps you can read it to the President and his Wife & children as a bedtime story.  They will be in Camp David for the holiday weekend. 

I am disgusted with our elected officials for voting on something many of them have not read.  How can this even be happening?

I commend you for being bold enough to state your views and post this blog. 

We need more Americans like you on both sides of the argument to get things done & have a reasonable bill passed. 

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Hi Jason,  thanks for reading the bill for us! I am sure that most of the congress, and senate do not even do this.. Hats off to you for this. 

7:19pm • #160

You know, our health providers are the only ones that are for profit. The rest of the insurance Co. in the industrial nations are non profit. Just a thought.

7:27pm • #161

I want a public option plan! I would love to pay my premiums to the government run health care option.  I think that it will run efficiently.  The government already runs our fire departments,  our police departments and gives us clean water.  Yes there are glitches but generally speaking the services are good.   With a government option it does not remove my personal obligation to save money to pay for a rainey day.  Nor to seek health care by directly paying for it if I can not get it from the public options.  Yes I might experience rationing and this rationing is already happening with our current health insurance system.  I believe that by removing the profit motive we will be able to cover more folks and streamline the systems and save money.

This is the only time we will get the opportunity to have sweeping changes.  I say bring it on or it will never happen 

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More Americans should actually read the proposed bill that may be voted in. I have read through parts and have been researching much of it.  The public option will include tax payer funded abortion. The Capps ammendment actually guarantees this.  My husband and I have no health insurance but I would rather not have any than be forced into the public option which is what would be available to us. The way I understand the proposed healthcare reform, if we do not sign up for the public option we will be forced to pay a 2% tax on our income for being uninsured. I think it is very unfair to force something on someone who has moral objections to it or tax them if they don't participate. The Government is getting too involved in peoples personal lives.

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the problem with the bill is that even with over 1000 pages, it is vague.  In effect, the "Advisory Panel" could remove treatments from the approved list... based on cost, and then say that you are allowed any treatment on the list and cost isn't a factor... 

Of course there are hundreds of other items...

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OMG, I simply cannot believe all the panic and hatred and scare tactics being posted here in these comments.  In my years working on Capitol Hill I learned that the different sides believe what they want to believe and always denigrate opposing views.  Why not just discuss the issues intelligently and respectfully?

 

I would wager that everyone knows at least one person/family who has suffered under the current system.  Most people know many.  Why are so many people opposed to the idea of health care reform, or insurance reform, or whatever you want to call it?  What's wrong with looking into the issue and making improvements?

 

I agree with previous posters who believe that we should be judged by how we care for people who can't take care of themselves. Call me a bleeding heart - doesn't bother me.  I'm all for health care reform because what we've got now is a broken system that encourages defensive medicine, unnecessary office/hospital visits and lab tests, and doesn't put enough emphasis on preventative medicine and healthy life styles.  Just check out any city hospital emergency room.

9:46pm • #166

Jason, you make me feel like a congressman with a staff by going through the proposed bill and filling me in on it when I don't have the time to read it all myself (which I really feel guilty about, as important and divisive as this issue has become).  Thank you for doing this and posting your thoughts about it.  Like you, I am very curious to see how many of the facts have been distorted by both the left and the right fear mongers before I form any real opinions about it one way or the other.  There were a couple of things that bothered me in your post (not from you, but in the bill).

Without being too much of a naysayer, Sec. 1137A. (D) seems to provide for the government to do something in "real-time (or near real-time)", possibly "to make payments and approvals faster".  If history &/or the study of government bureaucracies teaches us anything about how the government actually works for the common citizen, "near real-time" would probably be a best-case scenario.  But that would probably be only if the government was the entity defining "near real-time".

Sec. 164. - What happens if the Treasury has little or no money "not otherwise appropriated"?  I didn't really understand the language.

Howard Tennyson made some good points about the affordability of this proposed program and his position on what are and are not basic rights (I tend to agree with him, but I'm still very open to the debate), but I've also read some interesting information about where we stand against the other top industrialized nations in the world and it's eye-opening.  I will e-mail it to you if I can still find it.

I rarely read the comments sections under posts, even though I frequently get on my own soap box in them, but I have read quite a few of the comments for this post.  I also tend to agree with most of what Mark Hansen had to say.  But I'm not convinced yet that we DO "have the best Health Care system in the world" (although I've been pretty happy with it).  I'd like to believe that, but I think that's a whole 'nother series of posts, comments, and debates.  Victoria Frieberg also makes some great points about the 'power grab' issue and implies the impeding Socialism that I fear, as does Jon Zolsky, and I also tend to agree with Myrl Jeffcoat's views (being Centrist myself), as well as taking heed of D Scott's opinions.

Reading and posting on this bill is a massive undertaking that I personally greatly appreciate.  There are so many succinct, detailed comments that I think just reading and replying (debating?) to those is a massive undertaking in itself.  I'm looking forward to following your posts on this, so I tried to subscribe to your blog, but unlike the few other blogs I've subscribed to on ActiveRain, I couldn't figure out how on this page.  I'll check out your other pages and see what I can find.  I'd also like to see your response to Daniel O. Boor's comments.  Since it is not a "Members Only" blog, I will pass it on to my personal e-mail list as well.

Thanks, again.

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John - In fact, I AM going to share this with my Senators and Representatives.  I hope it makes a difference.  Time will tell...

Russel - Thanks for your detailed comment.  This is an interesting perspective about only requiring insurance companies to cover the "important" stuff.  This might work well, although I think everyone is already conditioned to use health insurance for everything health-related.  Perhaps if it brought premiums down enough, it would make an impact.  As for Palin, I will reserve any judgment on this topic until I have completed my initial read of the bill.

Robin and Sue - Thanks for reading!  From the stuff that I have read (mainly lots of studies and articles about the topic), tort reform would make a very small dent in health care costs.  Every estimate that I have seen indicates that it would in fact reduce some costs, but it would likely be a single digit number (4-8%).  One estimate stated that it might reduce future premiums by as much as 13%.  However, it does this at a very questionable cost - namely, by protecting doctors and insurance companies from actual malpractice. 

Gene - Thanks for your great comment.  I agree that changes need to be made, but I am not convinced that this bill offers a solution.  I will continue to share my thoughts over the upcoming weeks. 

Michael - It's interesting that you used the term "abuse", because my next post (about Title II of the bill) uses that very term.  I also hope that they are careful about what makes it into the final version.  I sincerely hope that my small efforts here will make people think, and perhaps even take the time to contact those people who can make a real difference.

Marcia - You're welcome!  Having never lived in (or even visited) Canada, I can't speak of their system with authority, but it does scare me to think about having to wait for any essential treatment.  My mother-in-law survived cancer three times over a 30-year period.  I'm not sure how long she could have waited. 

Judi - Thanks very much for the encouragement.  I agree with you that changes need to be made, but this bill seems a bit over-the-top to me so far.  With regard to the public school system, I don't enjoy paying for it with my taxes, frankly.  As a homeschooling father, I sincerely wish that we could get some type of break from paying exorbitant property taxes for the local district. 

9:55pm • #168
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Anthony - You're welcome!  Glad to be of service. :)

Andrea - Thanks for your passionate comment.  The 3-inch rule is a vivid mental image that will probably stick with me for some time to come.  I think one of the biggest fears (which may well be founded in reality in this case) is that we would be shifting away from insurance companies denying care to the government denying care.  Thus far, it would appear that the Health Commissioner would have a ludicrous amount of power in determining definitions, plans, etc.

Suddendeath9 - Thanks for your comment.  I probably should re-read the Constitution - it's been awhile.

 

10:06pm • #169
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Jason, this is s huge undertaking and as you said on he phone today you are doing this with an open mind and no preconceived agenda. That's something the rest of us should take to heart and especially when listening to radio and TV personalities  who often have neither!

10:35pm • #170

Wow!  Run for office Jason!  You're doing what a lot of elected officials never do!

10:48pm • #171

Wow!  Run for office Jason!  You're doing what a lot of elected officials never do!

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You are to be commended for caring enough to read the bill and then making judgements.  I do regret that some of the commenters have chosen to completely misrepresent parts of the bill for some reason (likely political).  I would wish that some commenters would stop bemoaning the length of the bill (1000 pages) - if people read legislation, they would find that bills are printed in large font, double spaced, with wide margins. By my estimate, if it was written like books are, it would take up about 300 pages - still hefty.  But no different from any major piece of legislation written by Congress.  

I agree that there is plenty in the bill to like and dislike - we shall see there can be an improved version when reconciled with the Senate.

10:51pm • #173
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Jason,

    I am more and more impressed with you each day. It seems to make sense that you almost went dark on twitter :)

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You must not sleep at all.  How can you?  I don't even think the politicians are taking the time to read this thing.  They are sectioning it off to the aides and interns, and then they'll get a summary (a briefing).  WOW -- great job!  And thanks!  We'll call it "Jason's Cliff Notes"

11:38pm • #176
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1100 pages of legalese.  That will keep you busy.  I did 3 years in the law school texts, and I know it would keep me busy.

 

This is such an important topic.  I appreciate you going through it and providing us with the Cliff notes.

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Brenda - Based on what I have read so far (which is less than 10% of the total bill), I agree with you that this piece of proposed legislation would put too much control in the hands of this agency.  As for "pre-exisiting", I always thought it meant a condition for which you had been treated previously, which might include BOTH of the definitions you provided.  That being said, the Commissioner under this bill is given the power to define specific medical terms under this program, which makes me squeamish, frankly.

Howard - Thanks for your comment.  I agree that this would be exceptionally expensive to implement, especially since it would involve creating an entire new agency under the Executive branch of the federal government.  With regard to what constitutes a "right" in our country, I am torn on that one, since the Declaration of Independence called for this:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

With that phrase in mind, perhaps health care is one of the few things that we are all entitled to receive.  You can't easily have life with no medical care, right?  I'm not trying to be difficult here - just pointing out both sides.

Gulf Atlantic - Right you are.

Kenneth - Simply put, thank you.

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Mark - Thanks for bringing your unique perspective and knowledge here.  I appreciate that.  I have heard similar stories from others about the Canadian system.  It would seem as though it is an exceptional system if you have certain problems, and a death sentence in other cases, although I certainly can't claim to have experienced it firsthand. 

With regard to tort reform, Texas passed a big tort reform bill for this purpose back in 2003, yet our costs have gone up steadily and without fail every 6 months or so for our health insurance premiums.  I have also seen that tort reform tends to devalue some human lives, since you can't really hope to get any financial compensation for medical negligence unless the person who dies is a "productive" family member.  If my wife (who is a stay-at-home mom) or one of my four children were to die because of a medical error, I doubt that I could get an attorney to even take my case now. 

Judy - Thanks for the compliment - much appreciated.  With regard to profit, I think that any company is entitled to make a reasonable profit.  That is the essence of our economy.  If you compare a private company to a public service, that's sort of the base issue here - should these companies be considered services provided by the government (like police, fire, etc.)?  I hadn't heard that they were pushing to be that profitable (35%), but nothing would completely surprise me either. 

Ruthmarie - I don't mind the link there.  I will check out your post sometime soon.  I don't think tort reform is a magic bullet either, primarily because we already implemented this in Texas about 5-6 years ago, yet our costs continue to skyrocket.  Please see my comment to Mark above about this issue. 

 

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HI Jason,

Please...get some rest! I don't think there will EVER be enough time for you to reply to all of this...Fabulous job reading all of this.  Also, I'm sorry that you have a pre-exisitng.  In NY (Blue State) they can't throw you off for a pre-existing.  I have one. We pay more for our healthcare.  Apart from that pre-exisiting (asthma and a tendency towards pneumonia) I am healthy.  But the average insurance for a single person of 40-something is a scary $740/month.  Which - given my background - I can't afford to be without. 

My bottom line:  Yes, taxes will go up.  But they will probably be more than offset by increasing the insurance risk pool with healthy people. 
Will there be rationing?  We have it now for God's sake.  Care is rationed all the time.  Those who have the best of the best are the ones that are afraid. However, a compassionate society has certain obligations.  Treating large portions of our population as "disposible" do to pr-exisitng conditions and/or a lower income is not acceptable.  People aren't kleenex. We have to provide a basic floor of care for all.  But make no mistake, care is rationed and those who think they are totally covered are only one illness away from discovering otherwise.

10:16am • #182

the issue comes up frequently as to tort reform...while i hate lawyers as much as the next guy i ABSOLUTELY DO NOT AGREE TO FOREGO MY DAY IN COURT IF I GET CRIPPLED BY A  HACK DOCTOR.  and it would be douybly offensive to be if the hack  was a government hack.

tort reform is one of those things that defendants (crummy practitioners) like and trot out as a red herring to divert attention from their inept service provision.  getting an award against a doctor is very hard...i will retain my right and ability to do so.

good point Joan #125...i looked into the NAR offerings as regard health insurance just this month.  what i was offered was not even close to what other brokers had for me and the service was truly pathetic.  the more i see the less i like at the NAR.

the bill  that is currently up for consideration is a pure nod to  the special interest groups that wrote it for the staffers...that no one voting on it has read it should be embarrassing to them...but isn't.  they have no shame.  fortunately for the representatives and senators from austin texas, jason crouch has done their job for them.

1100 pages of favors for the campaign contributors.  nice!

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Donna - I want to respond to you now, even though it's "out of turn".  Did you see any place in my post that I asked for you to pay part or all of my insurance premium?  It is clear to me that you didn't even bother to read what I wrote, so I hesitated to give you the respect of responding to your nonsensical comment.  If you can find a place where I came out in favor of this bill, let me know.  In the future, I would highly recommend reading the entire post before you blast the author. 

 

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John - Thanks for your kind comment. 

Melissa - That is one of the most reasonable comments that I have read lately.  Thanks for your views.  I do agree that there are a lot of scary statements being thrown around lately on both sides of this issue.  I am tired of hearing the same arguments regurgitated over and over again.  Based on what I have read so far, I get the sense that most of the pundits and politicians who are the most vocal haven't read it at all.  I agree that we need to change the system somehow, but I have a feeling that this bill needs to be a lot smaller for it to work.

Julia - Since I have lived in Texas my entire life, I can't say whether or not I would enjoy the health care in other countries.  Based on Mark's comment above and other similar stories I have heard, it seems like true socialized care would be terrific IF you have certain medical problems, and tragic if you have others.  I agree that government-run health care could be good health care, but I am concerned about the leeway and power given under this particular bill to the President (whoever that may be) and the Commissioner.

 

10:47am • #185

Jason

Really enjoyed reading all the posts here, including yours.  I believe that even though this topic strays from Real Estate, it speaks to the direction in which we do not want to follow. 

Everyday, I read posts of Realtors and related professionals, who are free to run their own businesses in which ever way they see fit.  It is the creative minds, and uninhibited freedom that allows all of us to make decisions that most properly suit our businesses.  My business is controlled by ME and not the Government (at least for now) and I would not give that up for the world.

Less Government + eyes wide open + personal responsibility = Great Business

 

Thank you all

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Terry - I'm sorry that you don't agree with my decision to educate myself on this topic right now, before it gets further into the process.  I hope to impact some of the discussions and ultimately, some of the decision makers involved.  As the bill progresses, I will understand the issues at play.  I guess I feel like I am as entitled to my opinion as anyone else in the country.

Gayle - Thanks very much for your kind remarks.  I will do my best.

Tiffany - I don't think you are wrong.  In fact, I think you may have hit the nail squarely on the head.  Time will tell, I suppose.

Bob - Thanks for joining me on this "journey".  :)

Judith - Right you are.  It is some dry reading, and I realize that it will continue to morph over time.  I feel like I need to start somewhere. 

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Jason... I have to commend you for what you're doing.  Like you, I had enough of the ridiculously bad information being spouted by both proponents and opponents, so I'm reading the whole thing too.  It's not a fun read.  It's going slowly, and there is much I don't understand from both a health services and legal standpoint.  However, I think it's worth plodding through.

My biggest problem with the whole process is that the American public is not getting accurate information upon which to base their decisions from either side of the aisle.  All we get from the media is "spin."  Of course there are no "transparency" concerns in the Hope and Change administration, or the president wouldn't try to push the bill through immediately without time for reading and discussion.  Neither Medicare nor Medicaid nor any part of our current health care system is in imminent danger of becoming immediately insolvent and unworkable.  And, of course, there is no mention of "death panels" in the bill.  But spin like that seems to be the primary way of getting our attention through today's media.

Quite possibly, our system needs some reform.  But let's take time to get it right.

I agree with you totally that the current bill gives the President way too much power in appointing a person who will have way too much power over our lives and well-being.  And I also agree that the costs are going to be astronomical.  Just the costs of another governmental bureaucracy (Health Choices Administration) will costs billions even before any funds whatsoever are directed toward healthcare reform.

I look forwaqrd to following your progress.

 

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Jason I am amazed at the most critical comments and how they are anonymous posters.  Please reveal your identity.

I am a Libertarian.  I have been disgusted with politics, spending and the Republican/Democrat boogeyman arguments that I have heard my ENTIRE ADULT LIFE! 

I reject the mainstream media (from local to national) because THEY ALL HAVE AGENDAS and are brainwashing the masses.  It's funny how so many people in the industry here reject the media when it comes to real estate because of all the falsehoods about our industry that are spouted in the media..........yet they tow the line perfectly.

I COMMEND YOU FOR READING THIS BILL.  When I have concerns, I go straight to the source so I can have an intelligible argument and figure out "the real story" instead of someone telling me what THEIR interpretation of the "real story" is and then me running around spouting loads of crap.

I am extremely concerned about the amount of power we have been giving to the executive branch also.  I am concerned about costs.  I am concerned about tort.  I am concerned about health care.

I AM IN AWE ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF CANADIANS WHO RESPONDED TO THIS TO CLARIFY.  See, the boogeyman may not be so right about the quality of care there.  Quite frankly, ours sucks!

Here are some of the things we need to do to "fix" it.

Tort reform:  We had a mass exodus of OB/GYNs and other types of doctors out of LV around the turn of the decade DUE TO THE COST OF MALPRACTICE INSURANCE.  It wasn't that they sucked, they just couldn't make a living and they lived in fear of getting sued.  I am FINALLY having a surgical procedure done on Thursday that I have needed done for years but couldn't find the RIGHT DOCTOR to do it.  We do have the bottom of the barrel now due to the cost of malpractice insurance in our state.  I bet I could have flown to Canada and received better care.  (I don't sue and I have incredible insurance people and I AM BEING PENALIZED!)

Health Insurance Lobby:  If you don't think they are all up in this bill (they own both Dems and Repubs) you have your head buried pretty far in the sand.

Cost:  When I had my first child in 89, I had no insurance.  I made pre-payment arrangements and stayed off the public dole.  I paid just a little under $2000 from my efforts to pre-pay.  When I had my second child in 91, I had insurance.  Both were NORMAL births resulting in NORMAL HEALTHY babies.  I paid over $2500 out of pocket for said insured child.

LET ME JUST SAY, health care is stupid here and from what the line-towers say about Canda, it is that times ten in Las Vegas.  I spent 4 hours in pre-op yesterday just getting pre-admitted with about 3 other people waiting.  ME THINKS WE ARE SOCIALIZED ALREADY.

Doctors and hospitals CANNOT afford staff due to mounting malpractice suits, costs from being cheaped out by HMOs (HMOs are making money kiddie kats, not medical workers,) AND all the flipping staff they have to hire to manage insurance claims and fight for the little measely amount they are owed.  Case in point, I visit a holistic practitioner and true MD WHO DOES NOT ACCEPT insurance claims.  My office visits are almost the same amount in cash that I paid in 89 when I didn't have insurance.  They are also the same amount as MY COPAY FOR MY INSURANCE to see a NETWORK SPECIALIST.

Hello?!?!?!??!?!  The whole system is broke and until we go and fix some of the problems I mentioned above, socialized meds ain't going to fix a rootin tootin thing and it will CONTINUE to get worse while the insurance lobby CONTINUES to dominate our politicians (both sides of the aisle.)

NOW some great benefits to passing universal health care:

Could reduce loss within emergency rooms, urgent care centers, doctor visits, etc from uninsured patients.  Many large health issues cause people to go to collections and/or bankrupt in the end.  This could alleviate and help contain costs (just like a shoplifter who steals from a retail store) and lower health costs in the end.  Lower premiums (through our employers - my husband's employer PAYS for our insurance, get it?  It still ain't free kiddie kats!) could result in higher wages.

I feel like EVERY uninsured American MUST have to pay for this on a sliding scale of their gross income.  Even if Donald Trump can afford $350K for procedures in the event of a catastrophic illness and he chooses to NOT be insured.  Catch what I am saying?  For the above to work, all uninsured must participate.  It will just be taken out of their taxes like our "health care benefit" is taken out of my husband's salary and other worker's wages.  Even if we chose not to be in the employer plan, we still lose out with wage loss because other people choose the "benefit".  In the end, this could result in natural wage rises (due to loss prevention in the health care industry.) No one seems to mention that!  Then again, I think the insurance industry would still pocket the difference.

Who knows.  All I know is it is broke and I don't see anyone trying to proactively fix it.  We get what we vote for and since the two major parties sleep with each other behind our backs (we think that ours is so loyal to us but they aren't!)  we will get more of the same and the big lobbies will always dominate us.

Hopefully more people will learn from Jason's experience of GOING TO THE SOURCE and we will wake up and put new parties in office.  That's the only way we will get change.

Poor Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Rachel Maddow and all the liberal and conservative party line peeps who make such a living on trying to find a dividing line (when one doesn't exist) will be out of a job.

Also, talk about "south of the border" for health care.  I have heard plenty of people state that they go "south of OUR border" for health care, mostly dental work.  I shudder to think of it and don't do it but I hear it a LOT in the sunny southwest.  Yea, people are going to Mexico to get dentistry work done, imagine that.  Don't forget the senior busses to Mexico to get cheap prescription drugs.  They aren't subsidized by the government but rather have PRICE CONTROLS.  Hmmm our pharm industry can supply the world cheaper drugs but not us.  Funny.  Bet Rush, Glen, Sean or any of the Republican lackeys didn't tell you about that one! 

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Hi Jason ~ I am all for universal health care and believe that profit making companies have no place between people and the provision of health care. It's indefensible in my book.  "Health care is a right - not a privilege".

If you have any time left to read something else I highly suggest The Healing of America: A Global Quest for Better, Cheaper, and Fairer Health Care. I heard the author, T.R. Reid, on NPR. He looked at universal health care systems in several countries around the world.  The US does NOT rank well in health care when compared with other countries with national health care.  The book is a very interesting discussion of how health care works (well!) in other countries.

Our system is broken and it has been mind boggling to watch how corporate sponsored misinformation and scare tactics have been so effective with so many.  I find that very frightening on many levels.  Good luck to us.

Liz

 

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TO ALL: Thank you again for all of your comments to this point.  Even if I don't agree with every issue that was raised here, I appreciate the passion that I have seen, since health care is clearly one of the few topics that affects everyone in this country.

I don't think that I will have time to respond to all 192 comments that are here, but I am hoping to post "part two" of this intended series tomorrow sometime.  I have completed reading about 10% of the bill to this point (100+ pages).

I was a little surprised at some of the emails I received, although I guess I need to get used to that, if I want to make a difference on anything of importance.  My skin is thicker than it used to be.  :)

Thank you to everyone who took the time to encourage my efforts.  I am not getting paid for this, as you know - I just think it's important and I want to educate myself and know the issues to the best of my ability.  I know for a fact that this post has already been forwarded to one Congressman, one TV personality, a large email blast (outside of ActiveRain), and a link will be included in a newspaper article in a city up north.  That is powerful stuff.  If you don't think blogging makes a difference, watch and see where this could lead.

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You are the second man I know that has started this project. It must be something like the hunt. The hunt for the key to health care. I can say that you should be commended for your staying power.

2:16am • #194

Your huge effort is not alone.   The bill essentially says:

Insurnance companies must cover everything and and everyone plus keep rates low.  Including illegal workers and abortions.  (Doctors MUST do abortions).

The government option will do the same.

If you change plans you automatically go to the government option.

Companies must have insurance for all workers or pay more tax. 

You are subject to your health and family information shared with the government and other companies.

What is does not specifically say but is a natural by product:

Insurance companies will go away.

You will have not privacy and be subject to physical government control.

You will pay and not be able to sue, go to a higher authority to complain.

Mandatory immunizations, and loss of parental rights.  

What could happen:

Private sector solutions.

Bill of rights for patients to medical and insurance companies.

Accountability.  Competition. 

Doing nothing is better than doing something that cannot be undone and logically is socialist.

I hope this helps.

Tony

8:35am • #195
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WOW, spirited debate. Both sides are always going to want what they want. i don't agree with this health plan the way that it is written either. I haven't read the whole thing, but I've read enough to know that it is seriously flawed, extrememly expensive, and I DO NOT want to pay for abortions when I have to pay SO MUCH out of pocket to try to have treatments to get pregnant. That I WILL NOT DO. Abortion isn't birth control and shouldn't be treated as such. Wear a condom or keep your legs closed.

3:31pm • #196
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It's great that you're so diligent when forming your beliefs. I see a lot of hyperbole on AR that's just red-faced billowing. You however, are an open minded exception. Thanks for representing Austin so well!

3:45pm • #197
SEP
05
2009
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Jason, Wow.  Good for you.  I'm fortunate enough to be fully covered under my husband's plan.  I can't imagine not being insurable.  I'm for any health plan reform that provides options to those that don't have any or are limited due to income.

1:43am • #199
SEP
08
2009
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Steve - Actually, almost every story I have read about this topic indicates the opposite is true, and I am not focusing on traditional conservative outlets.  The Open Congress site shows that the numbers are running 78% against this bill at present.

I think most people want some form of change in the health care system, but I haven't seen a lot of public support for this bill in its current form from those who have taken the time to read it.  By "public support", I mean support from members of the public at large.

I think the bill contains some great ideas, but I also think it needs to be trimmed/tweaked considerably by committees in order to make it palatable. 

I agree with you that insurance companies are too profitable, based on the numbers I have seen.  That being said, I am not convinced that the government will be able to institute a workable alternative.  Additionally, I have been surprised at how many people think that this bill will make health care essentially free for all Americans.  The best that I can tell, it will require a monthly premium from anyone who wants to enroll, in addition to extra taxes, some of which are created by the bill itself to alter the Federal Tax Code.  Lastly, I was surprised to see that they will tax those who don't have "acceptable" coverage. 

9:40am • #201
SEP
10
2009
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Steve - I really am not opposed to anything sensible.  If you read the other three posts on this topic that I have written, as I get into the "meat" of the bill, there are a lot of things that just don't make a lot of sense to me.  I watched the President's speech last night, and I noticed that much of what he said was on topics that everyone agrees on, such as mandating insurance companies to accept those with pre-existing conditions.  This bill has a LOT of potential for good.

One man made an interesting comment on the site I am using as a repository for these posts.  He said that putting so much power in the hands of one person (the Commissioner) is a CYA move by Congress, so that they can blame him/her later if it doesn't go well.  Just some interesting food for thought...

I don't know if a government-run health plan will be a mess or not, because I don't know the future, but I do know that most things that are placed in the hands of the federal government don't go as well as intended, such as the post office.  I found it interesting that President Obama used state-run universities to make his point last night about how public schools can exist alongside private universities.  Perhaps it would work better to set up a government-run system at the state level?

I am a level-headed person, and I am happy to give credit where credit is due.  If someone solves this crisis and can keep my medical and insurance costs from continuing to spiral out of control, I will be happy to acknowledge that. 

 

9:58am • #203
OCT
01
2009

It's very odd to hear Federal Employees and many of those those on Medicare, Medicaid and even some of those with Veterans health care, among other Gov subsidized Health Plans, say they do not want a National Health Care Option.  They don't seem to realize they are already using their Gov Health Care Option, subsidized by many of those who are not yet allowed the same option.

1:15pm • #204
OCT
03
2009
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Actually, I had the same thought recently.  Thanks for your input!

4:26pm • #205
MAR
17
2010

The City Engineer came to my house to do any energy audit yesterday. He said this Government subsidized health care bill is communism!  I asked who pays his health insurance premium? He said the city pays 85% of his premium.
A man from church said they are strongly opposed to the health care bill. I asked who pays his insurance premiums? He said he is on Medicare.
A Republican said he is against government subsidized health care. When asked who pays his insurance premiums, he said the Government. When asked if he is happy with his program, he said very happy!
Most of these people seem to think their insurance premiums would increase, even though all Independent studies show the cost of health care will go down and also help reduce the deficit.  

Why are all these people who currently use a form of Government Subsidized Health care so much against their own Insurance?  Are they just uneducated about the issue? Would they prefer to pay the premiums out of their own pocket and allow the Insurance companies free control?

If you are a self employed Realtor, even if your spouse currently provides health insurance for your family, until they get sick and get cut, you really need to be urging your politicians to vote for this bill!

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