A friend of mine from San Diego confided in me that they are in serious trouble with their mortgage.  My friend earns good money - and with his wife's income they are way above the medium level for San Diego County - which is high to start with.  I'll call my friend Able - because he has always been more than able to see through different schemes and come out smelling like a rose.  This time, I think he is in trouble.

Able is a 63 year old professional that refinanced his modest home for $618,000, at the peak of the market with an Option Adjustable Rate Mortgage (Option ARM).  This loan program allowed Able to decide monthly which of four optional mortgage plans he would pay, each month.  Since getting the loan, Able always chose the lowest payment - which was actually less than the interest he accrued.

The plan Able and his wife had been to sell their home when he reached 65 and retired - planning on relocating to Palm Springs.  Did I mention that Able thought he knew what he was doing? 

Well, the $2200 monthly mortgage jumped to $2700 with another jump to over $4000 looming in the not too distant future.

The problem is that despite what appears to be a path of recovery for the housing industry there are still more than a half million option ARMs that are scheduled to reset in the next four years! 

Since many of the Sub Prime mortgages have already failed more and more of the Option ARMs are failing and since February, the Option ARMS have exceeded the default rate on the Sub Prime mortgages.

The sad news for Able is that the home is now only worth approximately $400,000, or less, and the balance of his mortgage has risen to over $680,000; since he only made the minimum payments...his principal balance went up every month.

Between 2004 and 2007 over $750 Billion in Option ARMs were made and remain at risk.  The real kicker is that despite the perfect payment history of many borrowers they still cannot refinance their way out of this mess, as their homes are worth so much less today than when they borrowed the money.  About one third of all Option ARMs are currently in default, according to industry analysts.

In comparison to the Sub Prime Mortgages, the borrower of an Option ARM typically had much higher credit scores, better jobs and more to lose than the masses of Sub Prime borrowers who literally walked away from their homes and neighborhoods, in droves.  The Option ARMs tend to have higher balances and when they reset have been known to double the initial monthly payment.

The industry is expecting to see 600,000 or more Option ARMs reset in the next 4 years.  The four payment plans that Able and other borrowers were offered included the interest only, less than the interest (where the difference would be added onto the principal - OK, when you are accumulating equity every month - but really bites in a declining market), fully amortized over both a 15 year and a 30 year fixed-rate-mortgage.

Over 75% of all borrowers never paid more than the minimal payment - less than the current interest rate plan.  This plan was set to reset at either 5 years or when the new principal balance reached a pre-determined level somewhere between 110% and 125% of the original loan.  Then once the ‘cap' is reached, borrowers have to pay down a higher balance at a higher interest rate in a shorter time period.

Like so many other exotic loans, they were great products if used properly.  Unfortunately industry experts expect 81% of the Option ARMs that originated in 2007 to default with many of them ending in foreclosure.

The problem is that the loans were not only offered to those for whom they were designed but to just about everyone with a decent credit score.  People were not taking on these loans because they believed their income would grow over time - they were used by homeowners who believed the equity in their house would increase and that they could refinance out of the teaser rates.

The losses from Option ARMs promises to be staggering.  Another industry expert is projecting at least $112 Billion will be lost by the banks as a result of Option ARMs written between 2005 and 2007.

The good news, if there is any, is that interest rates remain low - so loans are taking longer to reach their cap and will not rest at the higher interest rate until they do reach the cap.

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116 Comments on The Next Wave of Bad Loans - Option Arms

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On the bright side, Able would have still been upside down in his loan even if he had chosen the more expensive options. With a 30%+ drop in value, his 3 to 4 years worth of payments didn't stand a chance.

You are correct about the next wave of short sale / foreclosures getting ready to hit. There is still a huge inventory of these types of loans out there that haven't adjusted yet. It is just a matter of time.

5:29pm • #1
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Hi John, I am dealing with a Short Sale now that is an option ARM and you are right, they did a similiar thing. They had payed very little. Now the home is worth 150K less.

Hopeing the bank will take the offer submitted to them, haven't dealt with them before.

75% only paid the minimum. I wonder if that was planned or they just didn't get it? We are going to see many of these adjust in the next few years. Scary....the fun continues.

6:44am • #2
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Evaporating Equity. Miscalculations. What a fine mess....

7:43am • #3
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I am only taking out 20 yr. loans on my rental properties so that worse case senerio they'll at least be F & C by retirement !

8:06am • #4
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Option arms don't peak until 2011 so plenty of misery is coming. It is estimated that at that time the payments will accelerate to 80% increases on the average. Looks like I am staying in the short sale business for a few more years.

8:11am • #5
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Estimates show that the option ARM resets will be just a bad as the subprime mess.  2010-11 look to be the worst.

9:13am • #6
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It looks like one more issue in the housing recovery. I don't think things will improve dramatically for years to come and this is just one more example.

9:14am • #7
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Great info and reality check John.  The potential outcome is most alarming. I was an unyeilding optimist during the past 2yr fall, now I'm a pessimist as others see a light at the end of the tunnel. 

In some of our NorCal markets you can rent a home for about 50-75% of what the monthly payment would be if a buyer put 20% down.  Hard to make an argument to purchase if the numbers point to current prices still running 10-20% above realistic levels. 

We will have another wave of loan defaults and with incomes not expected to increase in the next couple years these owners will not be in the position to reset their loans. 

Add in the likely possibility that the Fed will need to raise more bailout money by reducing home ownership tax deductions and we lose another bullet.  Why buy?

I post this devil-advocacy to ask you all to sprinkle some sunshine on my inherent fears.

 

9:43am • #8
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I went on a listing presentation and the folks owed over $300,000 on a home that at most would be worth $220,000. Never paid a penny in principal in five years, refinanced and took a bunch of cash out...poof! gone!

He was an accountant !!!

9:51am • #9
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My hand is going to be so tired from writing contracts I will need to get a hand jacuzzi to keep it relaxed!  

10:00am • #10

Option ARMs are miserable. We would hope the lender would rewrite this loan as a fixed mortgage to avoid a huge loss on this house.

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10:57am • #12

I too agree that we are not through this yet and more pain for homeowners is on the horizon and may well extend into at least 2011 especially if job losses continue.  ~Sigh~ :-(

11:04am • #13
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Sad for Able and others like him out there...there are so many intelligent people who thought they knew just what they were doing, playing the numbers game and buying their time...and then the floor dropped out.  I hope your friend lands on his feet somehow.

11:23am • #14
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I use to work for World Savings, the father of the Option ARM. It was products like these that kept home prices increasing artificially. It put teachers and janitors with $35,000/year salaries in $500,000 homes. It was based on the idea that home prices would increase forever. Worst idea ever!

11:27am • #15

I only hope that the light at the end of the tunnel is not another train!

I remember wondering what I was doing "wrong" in 2005 & 2006 when I could not logically afford any of these homes. People earning less than me were buying. It reminded me of the "Internet bubble" where start-ups were getting cash from (so called) savvy investors for their business model that made no money! It was crazy. This is crazy! I wonder what is coming next?

 

11:30am • #16
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I'm just amazed that the government, NAR, Realtors, Mortgage professionals, etc. are telling the public that the housing market has stablized & hit bottom...who are they kidding.  It's just another boat load of lies that will cause pain for those they think they have to get in before it's too late. 

11:41am • #17
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There are many Able's out there...it is a sad state of affairs.  However, hard times will also bring about new opportunities....eventually.

12:03pm • #18

Hi John,  What a timely blog topic.  My husband and I just put together the paper work last night for a negotiator to try to get our loan modified.  I'm wrapping my mind around the idea of just walking away from the home ... and, where in the past, that to me was something irresponsible people did, now it seems like it might be our only option.  Just before we got married, about three years ago, we both got into the "pick a pay" loan.  I left my job and house in Los Angeles to moved into my husband's house in Hemet.  We bought some land and were planing to build a straw bale house on it - with money from selling one or both of our houses. Then, like musical chairs, the music stopped and we sat where we could.  Now this option feels like stepping off of a sinking boat onto dry land.

Denise from LeTip
12:23pm • #19

I agree with Tara.  Absolute joke that our news sources including NAR are saying that we have bottomed out and on way to recovery.  I played golf with the head of faculty at Florida State the other day.  They have one of the top MBA real estate programs in the country.  I won't depress all of you by repeating what is being said by the people at FSU.  Bottom line we have a long way to go.

For some real news on the market check out http://realtycheck.cnbc.com

It is quite good.  If you read through their material the synopsis is transactions have bottomed out, but prices aren't even close.

 

Mike Russo
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@ Tara #17:  If buyer demand stays high to absorb the distressed property we may quite possibly be at the bottom.  OTW:  The short sales/foreclosures will NOT stop any time soon BUT as long as buyer demand is there to absorb, we may just be OK in the values department (as far as stabilizing.)  HVCC will prevent quick appreciation.  No promises this could happen.

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The sad news for Able is that the home is now only worth approximately $400,000, or less, and the balance of his mortgage has risen to over $680,000; since he only made the minimum payments...his principal balance went up every month.

Was it the option ARM that hurt him or the fact that he borrowed more than the home is worth?  I don't know all the facts but you lead us to believe that Able harvested equity in preparation for retirement in the desert.  Is he able to withdraw that money from the side account to pay down the mortgage, John?

12:39pm • #22

I remember going to a lender run course about this loan product.  Seemed to good to be true then, and apparently it's biting people now. it's all about how you use it though. 

I wish Able the best of luck, it sounds like he'll need it.

12:47pm • #23
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I feel for these people that are getting up there in years. Many have worked most of their life to have a little bit of a retirement and a home that is paid off. This last cycle has caught so many seniors and those close to retirement holding such a large bag that many will never recover. It is hard to watch sometimes.

1:16pm • #24
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@ Renee - Hi Renee, buyer demand is inflated for a few reasons -

  1. 1st time home buyer tax credit
  2. folks think the worst is over - due to the fact foreclosure moretoriums have created the illusion of low inventory
  3. Seasonal buying

The "bottom" of prices just keeps getting lower in my area.  The bottom today isn't what it was 1 month ago, and I can't imagine that with the influx of REO's that are about to hit the market that they are all going to be priced at FMV...thus creating the new bottom. 

 

1:21pm • #25

I guess I need to take of my rose-colored glasses. I was believing the press that we had reached the bottom and started the recovery. NOT!

1:28pm • #26
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When the banks got into the business of buying homes and renting it to you at a loss(option arm) they got drunk on the front end profits.

Time to pay the piper.

 

2:02pm • #27
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@ Renee

You are in a volatile market and I agree with your analysis of buyer demand.  Another element for demand is that, for the most part, new home construction was stagnant until this last spring.   What are you seeing as the prime demand factor in Vegas?  A couple years ago you had a lot of failed condo conversions flood the rental market, are rental rates still low or climbing?  Vegas is one of those markets that the rest of us should keep our eye on. 

Thanks,  Joe

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I too wonder how deep the impact will be when the Option ARMs and Alt-As adjust.  The next wave of short sales and foreclosures is coming and we're still working through an eight to ten month supply of houses.  According to S&P/Case-Shiller figures, prices continue on the decline, although not as deep as they were last year.

2:55pm • #29
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There is still that WAVE but it seems that the amount of listings are still low.  So in MN the market is feeling fine.

3:34pm • #30
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Wow - that's really what you want to hear (NOT!) - that is so sad and I know that SO MANY Americans are facing this issue.  It is going to take a LONG time to recover fully from this...  Thanks for sharing the story.

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It is too bad that our governing bodies didn't stop those predatory lenders back in the day when they were fooling people.  Check out my blog: Buyer was unaware that the loan was a negative amoritization loan. 

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Hi John,  A friend of mine looked at this program and loved the flexibility it provided.  He was able to get in and out before things went south but many buyers were not !

4:05pm • #33
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We work so hard for so long, and now we cannot retire. This is so very sad.

4:16pm • #34
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Sounds like this person would be in trouble regardless just because he owes more than his home is worth.  Would it really matter the type of mortgage he had?  With a mortgage amount of $618,000 at a 6.00% rate his monthly payment would have been $3,705, not including taxes and insurance.  The Option ARM's I have on my homes are currently at 4.125% or lower. 

The real kicker is that despite the perfect payment history of many borrowers they still cannot refinance their way out of this mess, as their homes are worth so much less today than when they borrowed the money.  I don't understand how refinancing out of this loan would help the borrowers right now.  What type of loan would Able, or others refinance to? 

Most Option ARM loans are in default because the people are in negative equity situations.  If the home was worth $1,000,000 do you think Able would still default?  People were not taking on these loans because they believed their income would grow over time - they were used by homeowners who believed the equity in their house would increase and that they could refinance out of the teaser rates.  

"Life is like a box of chocolates.... you never know what your going to get." - Forrest Gump

Good post John and very timely. 

4:27pm • #35

Negative amortization, falling home values and no rebound before the end.  Instead of giving the bailout money to the banks our government should have written a check to the millions of affected mortgagors.

5:09pm • #36

A sad story, that is being told all over the country. 

The option ARM is a great loan, if people know how to use it correctly.  I wish I could get an Option ARM on my new home.  There is part of this that goes back to the mortgage professional who did not fully explain how to use the ARM.  I never had the chance to give my clients one of these loans, because I knew which clients would want it, but my advice would have been, pay the principle and interest payment each and every month.  However, if you need the cash for an emergency, that paying the lower option would be possible.  Even if I was showing a client this loan option, I would qualify them on the fully amortized payment, and make sure they understood what it all meant....

 

Anyways, sad story all around, and I wish him, and all the others that do not have equity in their home now, the best of luck.............

Jake Planton
5:53pm • #37
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John, I completely agree that we are in for a huge wave of new short sales and foreclosures related to ARMs and "strategic foreclosures". 2010 is going to be ugly. Profitable....but ugly.

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It really is terrible for many of the borrowers who are about to enter retirement.  I'm gearing up for the increase in foreclosures and short sales over the next few years.

7:09pm • #39

There ain't nothing free but so many people followed the pied piper. Unfortunately, it has to get worse before it gets better.

7:31pm • #40
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Hi John - Ouch, that is one bad example, and I'm sure the industry is in for a whole world of hurt before these risky programs wind down.

8:10pm • #41

Those are disasters. I used to be a mortgage broker and never did sell any of those. I guess the reason I never sold them is because I was 1 of 2, out of 30, loan officers who actually understood them. Everyone else was selling the snot out of them and making huge money in doing so. I actually explained them and never sold even one person on an option arm.

8:15pm • #42
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I think that the higher priced areas and resort vacation properties will have reason to be concerned next year.  We will see.

11:30pm • #43
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I didn't realize the numbers for default on options arms were so high. 1/3?  That's an incredible number.

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It is amazing how many people who thought they knew what they were doing -- professionals -- still screwed up when it comes to mortgages (including realtors).

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So sad that they didn't think ahead when choosing this mortgage.  While making the minimum payments, where was the rest of their money going?  Option ARM's were tossed out to consumers like candy, now they are paying the consequences for not making good decisions.  Very sad.

Tina in Virginia

8:26am • #46
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I agree that we're likely to see much more pain due to the Option ARM loans resetting. I'm told that 58% of all Option ARMs written were sold in California, many in this high-cost area. I expect our San Francisco Peninsula and Silicon Valley areas will be hit hard.

8:30am • #47

I am still trying to figure out why we don't see class action lawsuits against the lenders for predatory lending.

Lisa Mancha
8:31am • #48

I read a very similar article a few weeks ago by another user that read "foreclosures" instead of "bad Loans."  The big thing I thought about was time frame.  I truly believe by the dates reported in these articles (2010 and 2011) seem to me where I would see the reposessions of the people buying new cars who can't or wouldn't normally want/afford them will be.  I believe that is all the "Cash for Clunkers" program was, but we'll see I guess. 

8:32am • #49

It's ridiculous to think that loan officers would even consider selling that product to senior citizens or anyone approaching later years in their life. It's a tossup between Option ARM's, 100% Investment & 100% 2nd Home Loans of years past.  People are paying for greed!

8:34am • #50
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@ 5YEARS AGO, WE USED TO GET INUNDATED WITH WHOLESALE MORTGAGE A/E'S COMING BY THE OFFICE WHERE I USED TO WORK, PUSHING THESE LOANS & THE INCREDIBLE 3% COMMISSION THE LENDERS WOULD PAY.  THEN THEY'D TELL YOU YOU COULD ALSO CHARGE YOUR BORROWERS ANOTHER POINT, BECUASE IT WAS SUCH A GOOD DEAL NOBODY WOULD SAY NO.

WORLD SAVINGS HELD MONTHLY TRAINING MEETINGS ON THEIR PRODUCT, & IT WAS PURPORTED TO BE A GREAT LOAN FOR ALMOST ANYONE. 

THESE LOANS ARE TICKING TIME BOMBS & WILL BE GOING OFF SOON.

I FEEL BAD FOR ANYONE WHO IS IN ONE, GOOD LUCK.

8:46am • #51
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This is an extremely timely article. Everyone (media, NAR, etc.) have been saying how much the market is turning around, but no one is sounding the alarm about this new wave. So sad. I guess short sales are going to be around for some time to come.

8:52am • #52

I am curious about anyone who is that close to retirement taking on a $600,000 debt. If you are close to retirement you should be debt free. Sounds like Able got drunk on this product too not just the banks. Now a young professinal who plans to live there for years and years that type of loan may not be that bad. I can tell you anyone who is 2 years from retiring and is actually buying a home with a $600,000 loan is an idiot. If you want to retire how does taking on 600,000 in debt accomplish that. If their plan was to live there only 2 years why would he not rent. It sounds like he thought he could live there for 2 years and profit big so he was not concerned about the rest. Foolish...especially for 2007. In 2005 maybe I could say he should have seen it coming but in 2007 foreclosures and dropping real estate values was all over the news everywhere. Why did he think he little corner of the world was exempt. He needs to listen to Dave Ramsey...I have been listening to him for years and he always has preached about the only mortgage to take out is a 15yr fixed. If you can't afford that then you can't afford that home. If everyone had 15yr mortgages then the bubble would have never been created and thus could never have bust. These type of loans allowed for the bubble in housing values because these buyers could never really afford the homes they were buying.

Time for many to become renters again. Those that have money--great time to be buying rentals. 15yr mortgages or cash only though. A

Al
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Over the past few months I've photographed and done video tours for about $75M in homes.....  almost all were purchased within the past 4 years.  Almost all are owned by 30-somethings....   almost all are in the $1.5M-7M price range.  

You just KNOW 1)  They bought WAY more house than they could afford, thanks to these exotic loans, 2) They figured the market would go nowhere but UP, 3) much of it was based on their $80K annual bonus, which disappeared.... and 4) Many are unsure of their job future (if they even still HAVE one).

Definitely trouble down the road.  I tell people I'm photographing the next wave of foreclosures, because I really think many of these people will be in big trouble very soon....

And of course, some of these homes were purchased and/ or built in locations that were marginal at best, because at that time, "location" really didn't matter.  People bought anything ....anywhere ....  assuming it would just keep going up and up.....!  I'm shooting a $800K across the street from a notorious homeless shelter this week... talk about "location, location, location....."  But 3 years ago, nobody bothered to take that into consideration.....

It IS going to get ugly.

8:58am • #54

We have to remember that option ARM's and other exotic loans ground to halt in August 2007 - therefore, possibly the vast majority could be upcoming in 2010 - more inventory to work out of the system.

But, one has to wonder if the banks/lender will be more willing to do a loan modification, rather than foreclosing on the property?

9:00am • #55

i say way to go able!! you did the right thing. you repaid as little as possible. like mark said, he would have lost regardless of what type of loan he was in. at least this way, he is losing the banks money, not his. as for the loans adjusting, most optin arms adjust on a monthly basis, and they have been adjusting down, because the index(s) they are tied to have ben falling for a couple of years now. the real kicker is the margin that was sold to them. a lot of them are btwenn 3-4%. in addtion, once the loans reach the neg am cap, principal reduction will now be required and that is gonna drive up payments. i would suggest that able try to modify his loan, as i have seen banks reduce principal in modifications, usually by the amount of interest that has accrued due to neg am.

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John:  I have not read the above comments, because I do not want my "first blush" opinion affected by them.

First of all... there is nobody at fault here but your friend Able.  He chose to opt each month for the "negative am" option in his payment.  He chose to not even pay the interest that was do, but took the cash money that he would have used, and bought or did something else with it.  Now... he finds himself owing $62,000 more on his home than he originally did.

So... if he loses his home to either a short sale, or a foreclosure... WE, the public,  end up being the ones he "borrowed" these funds (the 62K) from... then spent them, and now cannot repay them.  I am sorry for him and his family.  I feel badly for anyone in such a "crunch" spot as this.  But... your friend Able... knew what he was doing, or supposedly he did.  Many of those who are upside down on their homes now did not benefit in any way by the poor choice they made.

I am by no means an uncaring person.  But... the choice was his, and he benefited by $62,000 in cash from it... and now is stuck with the results of that choice.  There are thousands of homeowners who are now upside down in their homes after choosing bad loans.  I bet they would love to have that $62,000.

9:05am • #57
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This is really scary stuff.  I for one am so very tired of negotiating with banks -- rather, trying to get them to "review" the file which has been complete for months.  I suppose dealing with these option ARMs will be just another way for me to stay in business.

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Yep, the good ole market went up like a rocket and is coming down lika a rock.

9:06am • #59

I know some borrowers who took these loans out and had money to make the regular payment or to apply money to their principle but DID NOT DO IT!!!!!!!! When these loans start to adjust and the foreclosures start to mount AGAIN, the blame will be laid at the lenders and mortgage brokers feet and there will come more STATE and GOVERNMENT regulations for mortgage brokers and lenders and more government money for borrowers to bail them out, BUT until someone holds the BORROWERS responsible for THEIR ACTIONS and hold them LIABLE for whatever loan they sign up for, this CYCLE or PROCESS will continue for MANY YEARS TO COME!!!!

9:07am • #60

John, great post in addressing one of many 'issues' in our economy that many in the media and real estate world are choosing to ignore.  The reality of this topic is very sickening!  Of course, the general public has no clue what this means.  We've seen this snowball rolling downhill, causing an avalanche, for 3 years and it's just beginning to hit.  You would think by now that some of these banks would 'get it' and the government would 'get it' - face reality and figure out a way to proactively work with upside down home owners to either stay in their homes or work out a deal with homeowner to short sell.  Proactive and lender 'asset management' just don't belong in the same sentance. Instead, these banks seem to be fighting all the way to close - whether it's short sale, foreclosure, even simple transactions are complicated these days.

Then the government gets in the way and puts band aids here and there to 'stimulate' activity and give the general public false hope.  I'm afraid we've only seen the start of that avalanche and we're in for a long haul of a shifting market of short sales and foreclosures.   Hold on for the ride, it is what it is, keep a shovel handy so we can dig out as necessary.  It's obvious we all have a passion for this business - enjoy the ride!

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One more thought.  If Able DOES have that $62,000 saved or put aside... or if he still HAS what he purchased with it... maybe a car or an RV... then he is in a much better position that the poor folks who are simple upside down in their homes.  At least he can walk away from it and actually "have" something to show for it.  Again... I know many "upside-downers" who would love to be in that position rather than the one they are in.  Just my two cents, here.

9:08am • #62

John:

When you say

"refinanced his modest home for $618,000, at the peak of the market with an Option Adjustable Rate Mortgage (Option ARM)."

what is implicit in this statement is that Able took cash out of his home at that time (turning paper profits into debt), since this was a refinance and not a purchase.  If he was a long time homeowner, Able probably walked away with a large check at closing.  I'm curious as to where THAT money went - vacations, renovations, new cars, etc., or were there extenuating circumstances such as medical bills, job loss, etc.?  If it was for the former, as it was in many cases like Able's, I'm sorry, but I find it difficult to be empathetic.  If it was the latter, you're probably talking about someone who would be bankrupt regardless.

9:12am • #63

Unfortunate  for Able.   At the time when home prices were double digit appreciation and everything looked bright he made a dumb decision.  When you think about it where did he get the idea of an option arm anyway.  Possibly the media or a mortgage broker who knows, the physic here replicates the term of "taking the kid  to a candy store".   Should he have known better, sure.  If everyone knew better there would not have been major losses in the stock market, casinos etc. (goodbye Las Vegas). The future short sale/ foreclosure rates are going to continue on the rise for years  to come.  It's not to late to join the Foreclosure Real Estate professionpear

Jerry Clifford RE/MAX Results
9:26am • #64
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Exactly the reason why we need transparency in the mortgage industry.

9:29am • #65

Your complete accurate in your assesment.  Question really is, why should us as tax payers have to pay for the consumers and bankers stupidity.

Clearly is a place for option ARMS in the market place, but it's not for everyone.

9:40am • #66

I remember when a friend (maybe that's to giving) was trying to get another friend of ours into a neg am loan...when my friend who is a successful broker btw asked him questions he would say things like....don't worry about it..just sign it. Values are going up and we will refi you later...just sign it. Luckily he did not sign it :)

9:59am • #67
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So what is wrong with people that seek to pay less than the interest on their loans?  Do they have a problem with math, or is it that they are dreaming?  I have NO experience with Option ARMS, but I know full well that if I don't pay at least the interest, there will come a time to 'pay the piper' so to speak.

Shame on these either sadly stupid or ignorant buyers that either do not listen to the lender, or their realtor agent, but just want to believe something is too good to believe, and it's happening to them - NOT!

Years ago when I bought my first house in 1980, the market was pretty terrible, and one of my neighbors bought a home with a similar mortgage.  However they were smart enough to understand that after 15 or 20 years, they may be owing more than the house was worth.  They offsett this by selling the home after only about 6 or 7 years, so they came out from under before the debt became unmanageable.

Maybe I'm too hard on these people, but both the lenders and the borrowers are getting just what they deserve.

I do hope I don't really offend anyone, but I do believe in 'pay-as-you-go' - primarily because it works.

10:01am • #68
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Marc in # 66:  Paying for "stupidity ?"  Perhaps them being naive is a better word.  Or trusting the loan officer too much.  But... they have already paid for their mistake... and will continue to pay for it.

10:03am • #69

Hi John--fantastic post; I can't tell you how much I'd love to talk you into making it repost-"able" so that I can more easily get what you've said here out!  Thanks for the great example just the same...yep, rocket to rock, we're all in this together...

10:15am • #70
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John

I belong to professional networking group that meets weekly. Since the begining of this year I have been warning them about this and every week they give me a perplexed look because as we all know the media is reporting a rosy picture in the housing industry. It's going to get down right nasty and I believe values will tumble at least 25% maybe more. I will forward this posts to all my followers, thanks again. Great post.

10:15am • #71

The unfortunate part is that we are all paying as a society for that 'stupidity' or 'naivety'.  Regardless of who's fault it is we will continue to pay for many years to come.   Those who took the option mortgages have already used the money - HELLO, but because their home value has gone down they don't feel they should be obligated and many can't afford to pay back what they already spent.  Those of us who actually put our money into our home as our investment...COLD HARD DOLLARS AS IN 20% DOWN, have now lost that money, because we chose invest rather than a spend it now pay later type loan.  Our houses have gone down in value as well.  It is not fair, it is sad for everyone - but it is a reality that we are all faced with.  The damage has been done - how do we best pick up the pieces and move on?

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I try not to predict what will happen anymore.  There are too many variables, the big one being the government. 

10:35am • #73
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Yes, these option arms are just about to increase and cause a awhole lot of trouble for these homeowners.  It is a shame to see all these homeowners in this dilema

10:39am • #74
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Hi John,

Don't know if someone mentioned this little tid-bit already...

Current national inventory of homes for sale = 4,000,000

Current bank 'shadow inventory' and foreclosures that are now moving forward = 5,000,000

Its projected that the bank (REO) inventory is coming on the market over the next

90 days. Thats what several reports (articles, videos) have stated. I don't think

that is possible...more likely we will see all of those bank owned homes coming for sale

over the next 180 days. Regardless, that number of homes hitting the market

will be a total rule changer.

ADD to this what you are blogging about...ALT-As...we are in this market for a long time.

Depressing news for some....exciting for others.

Here is a link to the CNBC video that references the looming REOs.

Hope all of this helps!

Tim

10:45am • #75

I'm just wondering when banks are going to realize that they need to respond to people who are NOT behind on their mortgages but do need to refinance in order to prevent falling behind.  Right now, banks are still shortsighted in not responding to people like Able who are willing to pay a fair price on their monthly mortgage.

Dianne Bartlett
10:57am • #76
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Negative Amortization is a bad thing?  

What ever happened to commonsense?  I know it was replaced by GREED!! 

I remember the World Savings rep coming into my office trying to sell this crazy loan but I never offered it to any of my clients and I'm sooo glad I didn't.     

11:07am • #77

Excellent post!  I believe Joe Pryor from OK on an early comment said Option ARMs aren't peaking until 2011.  AGREED!!!  Read the charts on resent on all ARMs.  The wave won't be over until 2012, so yes, stop drinking the NAR Kool-Aid and keep your current business plan of a distressed market in place.  I started on the loan side (on the back end) and saw this coming back in 2003.  We have not reached THE bottom, maybe A bottom.

As Sam Zell said, "Stayin' clean 'til 2013!"

11:14am • #78
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This product unfortunately was sold by too many greedy people and used with a no income qualifying option. As stated in comment 51 Jeff Coon, these loans were paying top dollar to take low interest rates with high margins. Many with 110% cap. The loan was not explained to the consumer, as dollar signs clouded the vision of those selling the product.

I know, buyer beware! However, as the professionals, there was also the responsibility of explaining the product so it was understood. It is actually a fantastic product for an investor with equity to maximize cash flow. Unfortunately, the majority who were placed in these loans were at maximum loan to values and would not have even qualified for the mortgage at the P&I payment.

Too many of these loans were sold.....we are in for a looooonnnnggggg ride....

11:19am • #79
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If he had gotten a $618,000 loan at say 6% the payment would have been $3,705 plus taxes and insurance.  The payment on $680,000 (110% of the original loan resetting) for 25 years at 6% is $4,381 is it that he can't afford that additional $676 payment (18% higher)?  Or is it that the only way he could have afforded to get a $618k loan in the first place was to do an Option ARM at the lowest payment? Also did he take money out? If so where is that cash?

Too many in the real estate industry (consumers too) turned a blind eye to how someone could afford that much of a house payment.  Assuming taxes and insurance was $775 per month the payment would be $4,480 even if we stretched to 35% DTI that would take a $153,600 income to "qualify" for that much of a house payment.  I realize this is a refinance, but how many Real Estate Agents discussed this factor with their clients? (I'm not absolving mortgage providers they were the driving force behind this fiasco.)

If the real estate agent didn't discuss this with their clients, shouldn't they have?  I hear terms like "ethics", or "fiduciary" or "doing right by the client" being thrown around within the real estate industry, is that just because it sounds good or is it something that is truly believed and practiced in the real estate community?

In 2005 I spoke with a LO with WAMU that lived in the San Francisco area, I asked her how she was able to get people loans because the median house price was close to $700k and median incomes were well below $100k.   She said they did stated Option ARM's and qualified them at the neg am payment.  I asked her "you have that many self employed borrowers" and she said "no they did then on all borrowers". I asked her how the income figure was decided, she said "she would calculate what they "needed" to qualify and used a number close to that". Apparently this was ok because her boss and his boss said it was "okay" to do it that way. 

Ok, there's a lot of responsibility on the LO and the lender here, that is obvious, the next question I would ask is "Who was selling people these houses?"  This practice artificially drove up values and now people who put a lot if not all of their money into a down payment and a "safe" 30 year fixed rate loan are getting hammered by plummeting home values.

My point is this, we all need to be more responsible for our actions in this business.  Mortgage people need to be a true fiduciary and really help people decide how much house they can SAFELY afford, how much of a down payment should be used so they can still have enough money to make it thru any financial difficulties they may encounter, and put people in suitable loans.  The Real Estate Community needs to be more involved and be a safety valve for the client and make sure they know enough about them and their situation to better understand if the client is buying too much house or if they should be buying at all.

Just my thoughts. 

11:21am • #80

Taking the easy way out still hurts in the long run when what you THOUGHT would happen to help you never materializes.... so these people are going to have damaged credit scores and possibly bankruptcies in the future.... at the very least they will have a foreclosure on their credit score if they cannot do anything about the situation they are in.

OUCH.......

11:29am • #81

Liza #48   you have hit the nail on the head. The numbers are there for a class action suit for sure. But the Government's culpability in both subprime and option arm loans muddies the water. If you buy a new car and the product fails, you go after the seller. The banks are on the top of the list for their irresponsibility in making these loans that an irresponsible Fed encouraged it. This has turned our entire economy and the rest of the worlds upside down. Now we face the prospect of an irresponsible congress imposing more pain on our children and grandchildren. Vote them all out when they come up for reelection. Every one of them. Send a message that the American people are going to hold their feet to the fire. We have to face up to this huge debt that is being forced onto our young families. We also need to change the way politicians come to office. The present system and for years, they have had to be indebted to the money folks (special Interests, lobbyists, etc) Things will never change if we don't figure out a way to solve this problem. Freedom in America is at stake.... I will get off my soap box but one last thing. We are fortunate in life if we learn to understand what hundreds of thousands of dollars are. Billions of dollars are for Bill Gates, Warren Buffet and you guessed it, the Government. But I was shocked to learn that 1 trillion dollars is a stack of $1000 dollar bills 57.9 miles high. Trillions are the word of the month in Washington. Think about it!

11:37am • #82

Interesting Blog.  Although while reading it, it sounded strangely familiar. 

I don't Blog, but I do enjoy reading some of the Active Rain blogs.  I'm not sure of the rules of blogging, but common sense tells me that you should give credit where credit is due when blogging.

Your friend "Able" sounds a lot like Harvey Clavon and your blog is almost identical to an article I read last week on cnbc.com.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/32580537/site/14081545

It's great information that you provided and I appreciate it, but I think John Leland from the New Times would appreciate if you give him credit for your blog.

Bud
11:39am • #83

The Banks want to paint a picture of recovery in sight - however, there are many more trouble homes on the horizons as those 5-7 year ARMS come to their adjustments in 2010 - 2012. This is something I have been concerned about for some time now. One of the main reasons people obtained these loans were that lenders were assuring them, "Not to worry, rates will continue to decline, and we will refinance you into another loan in a couple of years."  None of the  lenders wanted to take into consideration, or maybe they just ignored the fact that  these "no-qualifying loans would disappear".   Even in cases where some of my clients have put down significant down payments on the home - they still can not qualify due to the disappearance of "no income documentation loans".  They simply don't qualify for a $600,000 home today.

Thus, there is a new flood of defaults to come and we will be doing short sales for quite sometime.

Yes, we are definately in a mess!

LeAndra Shepherd, Trademark Realtors, Riverside, CA    leandrasells@yahoo.com

LeAndra Shepherd
11:45am • #84
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I'm just waiting for the "other shoe to drop." The Option ARM loans failures will make more homes available for people wanting to buy, but mostly these clients don't have the 20% down to actually get a conventional loan and buy a nice home. And on the other side is the sorrow of people losing their homes.

Wow...bailing out banks, insurance companies...this is a huge mess. Imagine a huge cartoon snowball rolling downhill with arms and legs sticking out of it. That's the housing market "readjustment." Who is holding the net to catch this "snowball?"

12:09pm • #85

The problem with modifying these loans is that the lender must go down to a 3% interest only payment in order to reduce the borrower's monthly payment because the minimum payment was calculated on 1% to 2% Principal and interest on the loan balance.    Wamu (Chase) has done that with what is called a stepped-up modification that gradually rises over time and ends in a balloon payment at the very end of the term.  That is the only thing that will allow these folks to stay in their homes.  Wachovia is starting to do balance reductions and stepped up modifications too.

Mary Anne Daly
12:37pm • #86

This is a huge problem in my area too.  We had a new development built here in Alameda CA where most homes were priced around 1.2 many borrowers bought with a 75/10 option arm and the homes are now in the 8's or lower. Sad. 

1:02pm • #87

Oh yeah and great post! 

1:03pm • #88

Option ARMS are good loans for 0.5% of all borrowers.  They work great for those people but unfortunately inexperienced, uneducated loan officers were selling the product to the other 99.5% of the people who had no business in that type of loan.  Personally I never sold an Option ARM and I sleep well at night but it is a shame that people are really getting screwed and losing their homes.  On the other hand there is a certain amount of homeowner responsibility that was not excercised in the whole process.  A previous post mentioned that 1/3 of all Option ARMS are in default and that is far less than the latest predictions for 77% of those loans being in default by the beginning of 2010!  I was recently on Fox News Channel with Greta Van Susteren speaking about this very topic and I think that we are definitely going to see a new wave of foreclosures.  If you want to see the video go to www.mortgagedigest.com and click on the Fox News Archive and see 'Drowning in Debt'.

Bill Burnett
President
Virginia Assn. of Mortgage Brokers

1:03pm • #89

New wave of Option Arms ?  We are already experiencing the new wave of Alt A and now Prime loan defaults. I have had several clients tell me they were behind almost 2 years now and the lenders have not foreclosed yet.

Guess what, the lenders are just sitting on a whole pile of defaults, many are vacant, just ask your local Realtor. When Realtors go out to preview a listing you see other properties right next door vacant and not on the market yet.

The question is why are the lenders holding so many foreclosures and preforeclosures off the market ?  The answer is that if they were to foreclose on all of the defaults they would not be able to maintain their capital asset ratios and the FDIC would have to take them over. So, they are holding off as long as they can to try to make enough money to work there way out. However, with the defaulting Commercial loans now happening and throught 2010, 2011, they will eventually have to succumb to the inevitable. Look for a massive wave of small and medium size bank take overs in 2010, 2011.

Moreover, interest rates must rise in 2010 and 2011 because of the falling dollar and the massive printing of money by the Fed.  Investors and private equity funds are buying up these foreclosures at a rapid pace and have reduced the current supply on the market in many places to under 4 months with prices taking a slight upturn because of the shortened supply.  However, many of these investors are finding out that rents are falling. What could have been rented at $1850 is now $1600 and in many condo projects there are some many rentals on the market that nothing is being rented. Then the question becomes how long can you hold on to your investment property if it does not rent at any price.

Read the article on shadow inventory at http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2009/04/08/MNL516UG90.DTL

 

 Warren K. Hoppke, SRPA, ASA
 Senior Real Property Analyst
 www.AppraiserValues.com

 

Warren Hoppke, SRPA, ASA
1:48pm • #90

The Option ARM in this story is NOT the culprit.  In fact, Able at-this-moment is LUCKY to be on an Option ARM!

RateAble's rate is probably in the vicinity of 3.40% AND FALLING EACH MONTH!  Many Option ARMs were based on an index called MTA, or Monthly Treasury Average.  The MTA itself is derived from the CMT, or Constant Maturity Treasury (often referred to as the "Short term T-bill.")  Here's a link to the CMT:  http://www.moneycafe.com/library/cmt.htm  Take the last 12 months, add it up and divide by 12, and you get an index rate of 0.90%.  Add a typical 2.5% margin, and Able's rate should be about 3.40%.  The CMT a year ago was 2.18%, but today is 0.48%.  If the Fed keeps short term rates low (I think they'll have to for a while,) the MTA will approach 0.48%, and Able's rate could fall to under 3.0%!  Prevailing 30-year fixed conforming rates are in the low-5's, and jumbo rates are in the 6's for fixed rates, and 4.25% to 5.5% for a 5/1 ARM, depending on the lender.  Even if Able's loan is based on COFI or Libor, the story is similar.  So, for the foreseeable future, Able is making out like a bandit on interest rate!

PaymentAble, even if he could refinance, might have chosen his Option ARM "reset" anyway!  If Able's current balance is $680,000, and if he COULD refinance, what would he choose?

  • New loan $680,000
  • Fixed Jumbo full amort at 6.25% -- $4,187
  • 5/1 ARM Jumbo full amort at 4.25% -- $3,345
  • 5/1 ARM Interest Only at 4.5% -- $2,550
  • Option ARM Reset to 3.40%, 25 year amort remaining -- $3,016, which includes principal and interest!

Only a new interest-only loan would give Able any help on his monthly payment, and obviously being so severely under water, Able's only ability to refinance will involve a hefty principal reduction. 

What if:  What if Able had taken a fixed rate full-amortization loan?  His principal at the end of 5 years might be around $576,000 but he's still hosed as far as being under water.  Here's what he passed up:

  • A fixed rate possibly in the 6.25% range
  • A fixed payment of roughly $3,805 per month
  • He'd have written $75,412 more in checks to pay his mortgage
  • He'd have $105,000 more equity
  • He'd have been "ahead" by only about $30,000
  • He'd still be "under water"

So, what's the culprit here?  Not the Option ARM itself, but rather the USE of the Option ARM by those who couldn't have afforded the mortgage in any other way.   The real irony here is that while Option ARMs have been implicated in helping to cause the recession, those who have "A-Paper" Option ARMs at the moment have the best possible loan for their situation.  Their rate is super-low, going lower, and their payment, even at "reset" is likely to be lower than any payment on any program other than an interest-only refinance.

It is true that the $35,000 per year janitors who bought half million dollar homes hoping to roll the Option ARM every five years will soon be toast.  That is to say, the Option ARM was abused by loan officers and borrowers alike.

It's also true that even a slight up-tick in short term interest rates will put enormous pressure on all ARM borrowers, whether they're on Option ARMs or on conventional 3, 5, 7, or 10 year ARMs.  That's why I feel the economy is so trapped -- if the Fed senses inflation and cranks the Fed Funds rate up to 2-3-4, all of the ARM borrowers watch their rates & payments spike upwards, and a whole new round of foreclosures ensue.

But, right now, for the time being, I wish I had an Option ARM!

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I saw an economist on 60 minutes who predicted that by 2011, 70% of all option ARM loans would be in default.  Scary stuff.

2:42pm • #92

Hey Robert too many facts (all true) for people who aren't in the biz to follow but great analysis.  The problem is these people do have good rates today but before they can get their mortgage balances at least 10% below the home value (good luck in the next ten years) rates will be going up for one of two reasons or both.  The Fed will stop buying mortgage backed securities, which is already rumored by the end of this year, which has kept a cap on rising interest rates and rates will begin to climb because the MBS will be competing with the treasuries.  The market for MBS will diminish and they will need to raise the yields, thus rising rates.  The other scenario is that we see some inflation due to the masive amounts of bonds that the government is floating to cover all of this ridiculous debt.  The only way that the Fed can slow down the economy and inflation is to raise the rates as you stated.

Watch out for the ultimate bad scenario - no to slow growth and inflation together with high unemployment.  For those of us who are old enough to vividly remember the late 70's the word for that is STAGFLATION.  We are in for some very tough times and the Fed will have some very tough decisions to make in the very near future. 

2:45pm • #93

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2:53pm • #94

Great post John and great responses.  I agree that the culprit is not the loan but the use of the funds.  At my company I don't recall ever doing a wage earner stated option arm.  However I did plenty of option arms for the self employed.  Cash flow is important when one owns a business.  The idea was the small or micro business owner could work through the monthly fluctuations in income by choosing payments.

I believed in this loan enough to take one for myself and have my parents in one.  My parents have donw well and now have a 30yr fixed rate during retirement.  They have lost more in the 401 in stock then they have ever lost in real estate or any type of real estate loan.  I did not fare so well.  Many of of opened our companies on the backs of our equity. 

I know the banks are holding back the foreclosures.  It's difficult in that a steady flow if inventory helps keep all of us going.  Of course banks have made qualifying ridiculous.  This is killing the business.  There are buyers and people still want the American Dream of owning a home.  Many forget that the banks charged up for many of the exotic loan offerings they had.  The reason was simply to cover losses.  Well, what happened to all that extra money?

4:00pm • #95

It really remains to be seen if this euphoric time of home buying will keep its momentum as December 1 draws nearer. My buyers have been under the gun to get their offers accepted by a lender,(short sales, or REOS) to close in time to be eligible for the $8,000. Lots of games being played by agents, as well as, lenders. right now!  

I beleive this is happening because of the tax credit. We have diminishing numbers of newcomers coming  to our area, very little, if any , movement in home purchases by those who want to trend upward, and very little 55 and older retirees migrating to the sunny Florida climes. The bloom is off of the rose. Too many contributing factors on all fronts to be optimistic at this time. And yes, I agree that NAR is pushing its own agenda by touting the return of Happy Days Are Here Again!

 

5:43pm • #96

jhg It is incredible to even phantom what a mess we are in! What were the a responsible actors thinking?????????????

peterwjust.com

6:06pm • #97

I've been reading many of your posts and as always, many opinions.  I truly believe that a blending of all is probably the most accurate.  However, I must say that I find it interesting that the very people (realtors) that sold these homes to people and made good commissions, are now complaining at how "bad" the market is.  Let's face it we all know the financial capability of our clients if we're doing our job.  Part of representing our client is doing due diligence on their behalf, not just to negotiate a good deal regardless of what their capability is.  In other words, I believe that to complain about the consequences that every person from the buyer to the lender (including the realtor AND mortgage broker) is a cop out.  This market is here to stay.  We are NOT going to see a "rebound" as everyone hopes.  Instead of looking for all the bad, accept it for what it is....learn to operate in it and help people as much as possible.

If these people had been smart (c'mon....pay LESS than the accruing interest?...now where's the common sense in that??) they would have lived w/in their means, etc.  Pulling equity, believing that the sky will never fall is just not good business sense, which there is a lack of.... so....sounds more like "keepng up w/ the Joneses" syndrome.

1)I don't agree w/ all the methods out there to get the housing market moving, but I can't control that right now, so I do the best I can to help people move these houses; get new buyers in them and get inventory off the market.  2)Quit bemoaning the fact that we deal w/ short sales and foreclosures all day long.  It is what it is and this is the market.  We can't afford to live in the world of "yesterday" or "when is it gonna get better?".  This is reality ....it's like living in a new world and here we are.

Sorry for the soap box, but we are professionals and our job is to do our best for our clients from all aspects of the transaction.  We do not operate in la la land and we are going to be doing business in short sales; REO's and probably a lot more of the same for the next years.  But, speaking "declining"; "more foreclosures"; just isn't going to help the comfort of the client.  teach them the realities, help them look at their life plan and what is going to be a good fit for them.  Then, do the best we can and move on!  The more we focus on all the wrongs, the longer it will seem to be "bad".

 

Deanne Nelson
6:21pm • #98
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there is still a lot of distress to come with the Option Arms and regular Arms that are about to adjust. I think we are stabalizing a bit, but the forecast with all of these Arms out there still that it has the potential to be bad again with a lot more foreclosures.

7:21pm • #99

Thanks for this great post.  It's so unfortunate, but it's the new reality.

7:56pm • #100

I agree with someone who said that the Lenders will just have to roll over these loans into a "fixed rate" mortgage. I mean, how difficult could this be in view of the alternative to foreclose? It is  simply some paperwork and a signature.

For me, this is a "no-brainer".

Deborah A. Stone/Realty Source San Diego,CA
8:21pm • #101

Really good explanation of this mess.  You should send  it to the press and get some PR out of it.  Thank you.

11:34pm • #102
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Wow John. This is a ticking time bomb. It is sad to see people lose their homes though.

12:56am • #103

I may have read your friend's story earlier here: http://www.cnbc.com/id/32580537/site/14081545

Obviously we don't know the whole story, but from what I've read in the two stories it appears "Able"  didn't help the situation by making only the lowest possible payment. 

He'll have to pursue a loan mod, explore deed in lieu options or sell short along with many other homeowners in this market.

The lucky or savvy homeowners in his neighborhood who are not in trouble will share in his misery with reduced property values, and so the snowball rolls down hill. 

 

2:32am • #104

Able misused the Option Arm from Day 1Option Arms are useful for people whose income comes in chunks instead of spaced evenly through the year.  The only time one should use the lowest payment is in months where income was way down and then catch up or get ahead when a big income chunk comes in. Option Arms can be very useful tools if used correctly.

The problem is that just about anything can be misused. So the question is where to draw the line between regulation and protecting us from ourselves and the freedom to choose.Many successful businesses have been started using credit cards which is not what credit cards were meant for. If the person is successful they are a hero and if they fail they were stupid. But what if they never have a chance? I don't know what the answer is.

6:36am • #105
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I agree with Brett above, it's the other owners in the neighborhood who aren't in trouble today, but will want or need to sell in the next few years who are going to the most affected.  They will be short sales also and the banks will have to address them just like consumers who are behind in the mortgages today.

1:46pm • #106

I am a lender and had a rental property of mine in one of these option arms based on the MTA-monthly treasurey average. At that time back in 2003-2005 my payment was actually paying all the interest because the index on the MTA was so low so my actual fully amortized rate was around 4.0%. It was a great loan at that time and I always advised my clients to view it as a Short Term loan (2-3 Years) because when rates go up it may not make sense for them but when they were really low it was good for cash flow.

The problem is this loan was sold to way to many people and for all the wrong reasons. If the lenders were just strict on who could qualify and made sure they had a high credit score and low debt to income ratio and at least 20% equitin the property it may have worked but I suspect we won't every see that loan program again and really we should not as the banks have lost billions because of it.

 

Dan

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John, thanks for the information.  I would like to know where you get most of it and the various projections.  I hardly dispute any of it, but it would be helpful for me if you could share your sources, or whichever ones you're comfortable sharing.  Thanks.

2:15am • #108

The sub prime fallout was just the tip of the iceberg. Under the water - all those Option-Arms! We have had several businesses (large employers) fail here in the last year. Now all the execs that made "good money" can't afford to keep their homes but no one else can afford to buy them either. I agree the next year looks to be even sadder where foreclosures are concerned.

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To the post from Dan above, have you ever heard of the new world order?  The banks may have lost a bit for now, or at least that is what they want us to think, as are so called interest only loan options come due and more money comes out of our pockets into the banks hands.  And that wonderful bailout option:)  I heard of one bank that excepted a bailout and charged some 33 million dollars in fees to except that money.  Basically, we all get screwed and they get our money.  Then when all these lenders we offering all these programs like sub-prime and arm options, and of course ethical brokers put people like Able into these programs.  Who came out on top?  The banks did!!!  And who fell from the empire state building?  Us the consumer, the home-owner, real estate agents, mortgage brokers, and construction company owners:(  Scary stuff.  But, i just think to myself positive thoughts, and good energy is flowing my way.

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Ahhh yes, David:  The New World Order.  I believe the first New World Order President, or Dictator, is all set !  Chicken Little !  And the first Minister of Defense is going to be Turkey Lurkey !  Uh huh.  Scary Stuff Indeed !  LOL.  Yeah... I can see you're all about thinking positive thoughts.  Uh huh.

6:38am • #111

Hi John,
What a great post!  I just wish we could have informed the public a little more about these types of loans before it happened.  Now that all hell is busting loose they want to start asking questions.  I am currently working with a seller (husband died a little over a year ago) that had a fixed rate mortgage for 5 years and now it is coming to the end when it automatically reverts to an ARM.  She is already strapped financially and, to put it quite mildly: in a "Mell of a Hess".  We're working on it, but it looks pretty bleak at this point.

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John,

What an interesting article!  I have not those loans explained so well. You've made it all come together for me.

Thank you,

DeeDee

DeeDee Riley
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Thanks for addressing the details of the Option ARM and the type of people -- those with good income and great credit -- these loans were given to...I have two of them on homes in the Phoenix area myself and am doing a short sale on each. I would never do an Option ARM agan. I was not in the RE industry at the time, and to honest, the mortgage broker never explained Negative amortization to me, like most people, I just focused on the monthly payment. I think this will hit our industry at least the next two years, if not longer. It's an unfortunated situation for friends like your friend Able, and the who knows how many other thousands of Americans who got stuck with one of these loans. BUt the more unfortunate turn of events is the decline in market values. Like another person said herein, your friend would've been in trouble either way due to declining market values. I guess we're all getting tested as Americans. In the long run, I think we will all be better for it but that does not take away the pain that so many are experiencing because of it.

Lynn Behlendorf
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I am sorry, and I do feel badly for you... in comment # 114... but how in the would were you not suspicious when you were told you could get way more house, for a really little payment ?  It's like buying a brand new Mercedes, and being told the payments were $79 a month.  Something has got to be wrong. 

5:15pm • #115
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Option ARMS are dangerous. Agreed. Thanks for the info.

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