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This is a two part blog post:

Part one: Is the Great Housing Bust Finally Over?.

Part two: When will homes be worth what they were in 2006-2007?

Part one: Is the Great Housing Bust Finally Over.....?

Expect many conflicting news reports over the next few months about this topic.

What you need to know now....

THE most important issue facing housing is the simple fact that the banks are ‘holding onto’ 5,000,000 homes. Thats 5 million...check the zeros. The so-called 'Shadow Inventory' is coming for sale now. Expect to see the the number of homes for sale more than double between now and late spring 2010...

Allow me to put this into perspective...

NATIONALLY, right now...today.... there are roughly 4,000,000 homes for sale. Once the banks release all of their listings...the national inventory of homes for sale will be...9,000,000 homes! (Yes, you read that correctly...)

Some expect the banks to release all of their inventory between now and the end of the year...to 'get the toxic-asset' homes off their books'. Here is a video from CNBC, what is happening next in housing

Next, adding to the confusion are the expected rising defaults due to the ALT-A mortgages resetting….that means upper-end homes will be going into foreclosures at higher rates than we experienced even with the sub-prime mess. These new distressed listings are not accounted for in the estimates of homes coming for sale. In other words....its going to be more than 9,000,000...

And the big one…Commercial Real Estate. Have you noticed all those commercial vacancies? When these loans start going bad expect to see many more bank failures...

The FDIC has 100’s of banks on their ‘Watch List’. Recently Shiela Biard the chair of the FDIC said she is expecting to see a huge increase in the number of commercial loan defaults.  Our commercial broker coaching clients have been telling us that the commercial problem is going to be far bigger…far more significant than what is being reported.

Bottom line, be prepared. Please don't hide your head in the sand and ignore the actions needed to not just survive this market...but, thrive in this market.

Not sure what to do now? (you aren't alone)

If you know that the market is headed towards more foreclosures (and more REO listings as a result) it simply makes sense that you would do whatever it takes to become an REO listing agent as soon as possible.

We have made it easy for you.

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Now, let me share with you a little good news...

Home starts have risen for five straight months, while sales of new homes recently hit their highest level since last September. Prices are up as well: the Case-Shiller index of national house prices rose 2.9% in the second quarter, ending a three-year decline.

These signs — as well as anecdotal reports about house shoppers growing more willing to write a deposit check — have executives at homebuilding firms declaring the worst is over.

“We believe declining cancellations and more solid demand indicate that the housing market is stabilizing,” Toll Brothers chief executive officer Bob Toll said this month in a conference call with investors and analysts.

Haven't we heard all of this before?........

Housing boosters have forecast turnarounds repeatedly since the market peaked in 2006, only to be proven wrong by plunging prices. And skeptics say they’re wrong again now.

They argue that a deeply indebted consumer, a weak job market, expiring incentives and rising foreclosures spell a quick end to any housing rebound.

“We’re entering the phase where the homeowner has to earn his way out of this mess,” said Mark Hanson, who runs a California real estate research firm. “This summer is shaping up as the gateway into the next move down.”

Realtors, did you read that last section? There is a massive…5,000,000 home strong….foreclosure wave coming NOW. Its NOT too late for you to become an REO Listing Agent. Do this, watch the Agent REO Secrets video…next, download the free how-to list REOs book

Part 2:

When Will Homes Be Worth 2006-2007 Values?

Every week we receive literally hundreds of questions from HREU Students…(and future students). We welcome all questions and are happy to help.

(Would you like to schedule a FREE Coaching Call with a Harris Real Estate University coach? Go here now.)

Here is the Question Of The Week:

“Dear Tim and Julie,

In my real estate market homes have depreciated more than 20%….in some markets homes are worth 30%+ less than they were worth only a few years ago! Matter of fact my own home is now worth far less than I paid for it in 2006. Everyday I come across sellers who are in the same position as me. Just today, I met with a seller who was $200,000 upside down in their home. The seller asked me if it made any sense for them to simply..’wait it out’ for the market to come back…

So, my question is..how long will it take for homes to be worth what they were in 2006-2007?….in other words…when will home values truly recover?”

Tim and Julie’s response:

The simple answers are…. years (and never).

As in 10-20 years depending on your market. In some markets the homes will never be worth what they were in 2006-2007. The idea that homes don’t appreciate is a new concept for most of the country. But, the reality is in many parts of the country….there will never be a housing recovery in the true sense of the words. Homes were artificially valued based on once in a lifetime circumstances.

Lets use this recent article from the Orange County Register…using Southern California as an example:

An economist at the Moody’s credit-rating agency has a new report out saying that you better not hold your breath waiting for a quick return to peak pricing for housing in California.
Economist Celia Chen thinks California pricing won’t regain its old peak before 2030. We decided to try to put that into perspective with the help of our trusty spreadsheet and some DataQuick data.

If annual gains were: New peak In months
3% Oct 2027 226
4% Mar 2023 170
5% May 2020 137
6% July 2018 114
7% Mar 2017 99
8% Mar 2016 87
9% Jun 2015 77
10% Nov 2014 70
15% Dec 2012 48
20% Jan 2012 37
25% July 2011 30

Let’s look at Chen’s call in Orange County terms. If she nails that 2030 prediction, that will mean that local housing will average annual gains of 2.7% percent for the next 21 years from January’s cyclical median-price low of $370,000. Let’s say those are slim profits. Compare that to other historic upticks for Orange County’s median selling price …

  • 3.6% — Annualized gain made in the 20 years ended in July. Curiously, price have exactly doubled since July 1989, amid another great buying frenzy that ended badly.
  • 8.5% — Annualized gain from the bounce from last cycle’s bottom (January 1996) to new peak (April 1998.)
  • 11.7% — Annualized gains generated from the 1996 bottom of the last housing downturn to the June 2007 peak of $645,000!
  • 17.6% — Highest average annual return in a 5-year period in DataQuick’s records. (60 months ended March ‘06)
  • 20.8% — Highest average annual return in a 3-year period in DataQuick’s records. (36 months ended Feb. ‘05)

Want to make your own prediction, based on expected yearly profits going forward? See the chart at right that mixes annual rates of housing gains and when they rate would bring Orange County back to its June 2007’s peak of $645,000!

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41 Comments on I Am Honestly Worried About You..(Agents, PLEASE Wake-Up!)

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Agents must listen to all the news with the thought there may be an agenda behind it. It is difficult to count the 'news' that was fabricated to help certain people / parties in elections in recent years. Add those that 'bend' the news to sell something to the public or specific groups like Realtors. Everyone does it to an extent, but there are always those that take it to extremes.

6:32pm • #1
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An excellent post, indeed.   Hope everyone reads this.   Very thoughtfully presented, and "clear".

6:55pm • #2
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Hi John,

Not that the NAR needs me to defend them.....

I think they are doing an excellent 'behind the scenese' job. As agents we give the NAR virtually no credit for all the work they must be doing to keep our industry alive. In this day and age..with what is going on in D.C....we must have someone (NAR) to stand up for us. I am no paid shill for the NAR. However, hats off.

Bottom line, we do need to stay focused on what opportunities are in front of us..and what is on the horizon.

Tim

7:16pm • #4
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Thanks Seat to Sky...took me over an hour to string together!

Tim

7:17pm • #5
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Good post and facts everyone needs to face -- thanks for taking the time to put it together.

1:25am • #6

Great post.  One of the best I've read to help seller's understand the worst is not yet behind us.  It is a great way to let them know that if they wait, they could lose additional equity.

As a "type A" personality, I have resisted the temptation to learn the foreclosure and short sale market, as a 6 month turn around on an answer for a buyer does not fit my impatient personality! Clearly, I need to slow down, educate myself, my buyers, my sellers and my buyers agents. 

Really great information.  Thanks for the push I needed!

Diane

Diane
4:53am • #7
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I stopped reading when you said banks can get their toxic inventory off their books by year end by merely listing them for sale. Banks would still own them, and since they would be carried at the same value basis as just before llisting them, there is no economic gain for the bank to hold them and then list them later. 

 

 

5:54am • #8
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If your were to look at my most recent blog post you would see a graph of the Case-Shiller Index for Portland, OR over the last 22 years.

If you took the trend line in Portland prices from 1987 through 2004 and extended it straight through to today...disregarding the recent housing boom and bust...you'd see that Portland's prices for May and June of this year are right on track for that 2% per year appreciation pace.

At that pace, it will truly be years before most markets get any where near 2007 values.

 

But you'll find a zillion sellers out there who think prices will swiftly get back to those levels ...just as soon as "things get back to normal".

There was nothing normal about either the boom or the bust.

6:43am • #9
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I have been saying all along . .equity gains above 3-5% per year may not occur for at least 10 years or more. . if a mortgage is underwater for over $100,000 

That homeowner has been sentenced to  prison. . . on their own homes.

10 years

That's why if you qualify. .a short sale is a sensible solution.

6:57am • #10
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When will homes retrieve their 2006-2007 values is not the question.  When (if ever) will the dollar itself regain its former value, after being decimated by government overspending for decades?

6:59am • #11
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Good post and interesting facts.  I'd like to see you include more than one media source than just CNBC for balance.  However, I couldn't tell if this was a call to wake up and know what is going on or a promotion for your coaching class?

7:45am • #12
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I'm afraid that you're right on with your forecast.  The real estate bubble in some areas was very much like the dot.com stock boom and bust.  Many of those stocks will NEVER be worth what they once traded for.  I see too many properties in our area bought by speculators with the idea that they'd be flipping them...still coming on the market for 1/2 to 1/3 of what they sold for a few years ago.  

10:05am • #14

This is why our recovery will not happen for decades. 

http://www.ireport.com/ir-topic-stories.jspa?start=0&topicId=11470

 

10:25am • #15
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While your post does spell out some scary facts, I don't ever worry about this stuff.  I am comfortable with foreclosures and short sales, though they are frustrating.  I know that I will be ok because of a few factors:  1.  I will NEVER completely depend on real estate for my income - I learned that as the daughter of a realtor 2.  I spend a lot of time on educating myself and I ask lots of questions - always willing to learn  3.  A LOT of real estate is in the attitude and stress level of the realtor - if I have a bad attitude or come across as way stressed out, then my customers and clients will also feel that way.  If I project positivity and a "can do" attitude, then I will attract those who look at things the same way.

12:09pm • #16

Hi Emily,

You 'get it'

You are the kind of agent who will absolutely kick rear in a market like this one.

That post was designed to 'wake up' agents who don't think like you.....and give further fuel to agents

who are on the right track already (like you, again).

Bottom line, great job.

Tim

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12:15pm • #17
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Tim and Julie, so much info packed into this post, I loved it all. I smiled with the part II, cause what we hear in Texas is when will values come back to 2000 levels? We were knocked off that horse a long time before the rest of the nation. Can you imagine trying to get back to values from ten years ago? It is truly amazing around here.

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That is shocking prediction of that many foreclosure will hit on the market.

Grace Keng, Silicon Valley realtor, www.gracekeng.com

1:20pm • #19

I know...it is a tad shocking.

I am hoping the banks don't do as many predict....dump the homes too fast on the market.

But, I wouldn't be surprised if there were to do just that.

If you are doing BPOs....expect a massive increase in orders. REO agents are about to be in hog-heaven.

Tim

Tim and Julie Harris
1:34pm • #20
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Fear of loss is more motivating than promise of future gains.  This is an apparently effective scare tactic to convince weak agents to pay you money so they can have a future income.  II am not impressed.

1:50pm • #21

Hi Vicky,

I understand why you said what you did....and being that I too am a skeptic...my first reaction would be the same.

It just plain smart to actually stop and think about what you are reading etc. I 100% agree with you. If I offended you in anyway, I apologize.

The fact is, this stuff is scary....if you are not prepared.

"Prepared" comes in many different forms:

1) Adjusting the prices of your existing listings downward.

2) Getting personal finances in line.

3) (and yes) learning how to compete in this sort of market.

It would be vastly easier for me to only tell agents what they wanted to hear....

'The market has hit bottom.....boom times are here again' would get far more interest vs telling agents the truth about what is coming next. If my goal was merely to enrich myself I assure you that telling agents rosey stuff would 'work' far better than telling them things they don't want to hear.

When I am thinking about what to present on any blog my prominent though is...

"what is best for agents...what do they need to hear...how can I help them".

Also, if you look at the blog post..much of the info is not from me...its from outside sources: Moodys, CNBC etc.

Hope this helps!

Tim

Tim and Julie Harris
2:05pm • #22

Great Job Tim! I otally agree with what you are saying. As an Agent for 22 years, you have given me the strength and the courage to move past my fears of "This Market" and make the best out of it. Thanks for all you do!!

Christy

Orange County

Christy
2:18pm • #23

I believe that there are a large number of folks that have done something about their situation already and we may not see the number of resets that they are predicting.  They are probably getting their numbers from originations in the past, and are not aware if the loan has already been refinanced or the property sold or foreclosed.

Speaking of head in the sand, if a consuner has not realized that they are in trouble, or headed for trouble, by now and has not done something about it to prepare, they are burying their head.  How long has the news told us things are bad?

Nice commercial for your services.

2:18pm • #24
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Vince,

I would suggest that most agents have absolutely not prepared for this market....that most have ignored what is coming next/ now.

Just like you, I am ready for new-news. I am ready for the markets to actually reach bottom....and then turn around.

The ramifications of this market are far reaching. Beyond just our industry. Millions of people/ families are experiencing more hardships now than at any time in their lives. Like it or not, most of this has started with our industry.

I read tons of blogs per day. In the last 30 days I have seen many agents starting to actually believe that the markets have reached bottom. Every time I make a post like this I do so knowing that some agents will react negatively.

That's OK.

I would rather agents be offended (and skeptic) now vs failing later/ soon. In other words, I will gladly take the heat if is means agents prepare themselves.

Hope this helps!

Tim

 

2:32pm • #25
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Hi Dave...

Didn't respond to your comment...

I DON'T think the banks will dump their listings. I am in the minority with this thinking. I was on the phone with a Portfolio Manager and she told me that the banks are going to 'race to put their homes for sale before interest rates increase...'.

My opinion (maybe my hope) is that the banks are smart and release their inventory slowly over the next 6-12 months.

We shall see.

Tim

2:39pm • #27

Getting training in ANY market is smart, man.  Especially where the game is changing....who knows what happens next, but books/training/etc...it keeps you from being complacent.  You gotta keep learning, period.  

Chris Johnson
2:42pm • #28

Tim,

You nailed it!  These are words to live by.

Kim and I agree whole hearted. We blog about these concerns all the time.

Banks are holding back inventory and trickling it out to market thinking they are protecting the housing market and there shareholders...our concern:

The banks have their finger in the "dike".  What the banks aren't considering is the 5MM homes their holding on to is outpaced by the # of defaults backing up behind them.

My belief is that we need to place these banks on trial. Eliminate the "Mark to Market" accounting of "fair value" that landed us in this trouble. If a bank is failing...then so be it.  I understand that we would face a devastating losses, however, we could begin rebuilding immediately rather than prolonging the inevitable.

Projections by banking experts project that the US will see upwards of 1000 bank failures. We have only realised 84 to date...what do we do to limit the effects? have the feds take over assign new leadership and sell it off to  he highest bidder...with an effective plan to rebuild.

I could go on forever.

Great blog Tim!

Best,

 

Kris

 

Kris Darney
2:44pm • #29
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Kris....great info...thanks for contributing!

Tim

2:51pm • #30
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Tim:

You are going to get a negative response from REALTORS not merely because they want to believe the best and are sick of hearing the worst.

You are going to get a negative response because most of the posts like yours here on AR are currently from folks like yourself who are in a position to gain from continued negative "news".

I don't think people are evil simply because they have an axe to grind.  I just make a mental note to always consider the source.

We have one RAINER here in Oregon who offers instruction along the same lines as you. (Probably not as good; certainly not with as polished a promotional effort as yours.)  The only posts he ever makes all say the sky is falling.

Case-Shiller says home prices have now started up in 18 or 20 metro markets.  Perhaps your view of the world is different because you operate from Las Vegas...one of the two markets where that "trend" is not in evidence.

In Vegas, REO and short sales are still the overwhelming share of the market. That's simply not true in most of the country.  In Vegas, much of what has been "happening" appears (from a distance) to be the result of investors from all over the country buying up what they think are going to be sure quick gainers when "things get back to normal".

I can well imagine Clark County going in the tank again when those folks finally realize the quick gain is very unlikely.

Anybody who thinks the boom is coming back is treading on dangerous ground.  But don't expect those of us who have a clear idea of what "normal" looks like to stop working on bringing it to pass....or to stop hoping it happens sooner than later.

 

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Hi Jim,

I Appreciate your candor and your intention....

"Anybody who thinks the boom is coming back is treading on dangerous ground.  But don't expect those of us who have a clear idea of what "normal" looks like to stop working on bringing it to pass....or to stop hoping it happens sooner than later."

Tim

3:13pm • #32
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A little too much gloom and doom for me.  I'm too old and seasoned to believe the boom will come back in my career lifetime, but if I know for sure that today is the only day I have for sure and I'm going to make the best of it and then repeat that every day I get.

3:56pm • #33
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i like that Marian.....Wash, Rise...Repeat....

5:40pm • #34

Hi, Tim and Julie

I just posted a blog "50% of Sacramento Area Mortgages are Underwater" if you are interested in some statistics about our region.  "Hard reset" is a good description.

Thanks for your interest, Richard

 

Hi,

I agree with most of what you say in your two part blog.  I have felt for quite a few months now that the problem is much deeper than people are willing to admit and to express.  I did some research here in Sacramento based on an article in our local newspaper that I will post as a blog shortly.  The numbers are astounding but accurate as they come from reliable sources such as the US Census Bureau.  It is very important that people understand that they only time you can have sustained appreciation is with a growing job market and increased income.  Here in Sacramento and California that does not seem to be in our immediate future.  Housing used to be a wonderful long term investment, long term being 20 to 30 years.  People actually paid off the mortgage on their home.  Imagine that!!  I am not sure about the increase in national inventory of 5,000,000 homes but I am certain that the problem of delinquencies is huge and will not mitigate until the unemployment situation is remedied and stablized.  Where people are working with confidence in the future and are saving again.  Big changes are taking place and will continue to take place.  This is very positive in my mind.

5:52pm • #35
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Hi Richard,

Please do create that blog post about your market. Let me know about it and I will re-blog it.

As far as the big changes...I agree. Clearly a hard reset to what the very definition of 'The American Dream' was..and will be.

Tim

6:33pm • #36

Tim and Julie

Seems like you do your research...........lot's to absorb in what you wrote.

While I don't consider myself as one who hides his head in the sand, for our nations sake, I hope you are wrong with the potential next wave of foreclosures and commercial issues.

Thanks for the insight.

7:41pm • #37
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Hi,

I hope I am wrong as well....

Tim

7:51pm • #38
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Another excellent, informative blog! Thanks Tim and Julie!

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The agents read your great post or else they will miss the next bus stop.

3:58pm • #41
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or.....get hit by the bus!

 

Tim

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