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I decided to spice things up a bit here with the addition of "The Reckoning".  I will leave it up to you to see if this constitutes a tongue-in-cheek reference to 80's sequels, or the reality of this bill.  :)

As I mentioned in the last segment/post, I started a Wordpress blog to keep all of these posts in one place:

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Here are my observations from pages 143 to page 204 of HR 3200:

SEC. 301. INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITY.

For an individual's responsibility to obtain acceptable coverage, see section 59B of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (as added by section 401 of this Act).

MY NOTE: What you see above is the entirety of Section 301, which may be the shortest in the entire bill.  As you can see this refers to a new tax that is created on those who don't have "acceptable" coverage.  If the goal of this bill as stated in its primary title is "affordable health choices", doesn't it seem counterintuitive to tax those who don't have coverage?

I sincerely thought that the goal here was to widen the options available, including a public health option.  Instead, this bill seeks to punish (tax) those who don't have acceptable plans.  Why?  I am certain that the newly appointed Health Commissioner would be the person in charge of determining what constitutes acceptable coverage.  I don't like the idea of the government telling me if my insurance plan is acceptable or not.

Section 401 needs to be addressed out of order, since that's the one that creates a new section within the tax code.  Here is the portion referenced there if you can figure it out: http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode26/usc_sec_26_00006012----000-.html - I am not a CPA, but it looks like you will be paying a 2.5% tax on the vast majority of your income if you don't have coverage.  So, for anyone who is currently saving money by going without any health insurance, your costs WILL increase under this plan. 

You must either pay a premium, or pay a newly-created tax. Period.

 

SEC. 312. EMPLOYER RESPONSIBILITY TO CONTRIBUTE TOWARDS EMPLOYEE AND DEPENDENT COVERAGE. (a)(3) MINIMUM EMPLOYER CONTRIBUTION FOR EMPLOYEES OTHER THAN FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES  In the case of coverage for an employee who is not a full-time employee, the amount of the minimum employer contribution under this subsection shall be a proportion (as determined in accordance with rules of the Health Choices Commissioner, the Secretary of Labor, the Secretary of Health and Human Services, and the Secretary of the Treasury, as applicable) of the minimum employer contribution under this subsection with respect to a full-time employee that reflects the proportion of--

(A) the average weekly hours of employment of the employee by the employer, to

(B) the minimum weekly hours specified by the Commissioner for an employee to be a full-time employee.

MY NOTE: This comes back to what I said in a previous post about the Commissioner's level of authority in defining the term "full-time employee".  Is this the type of thing that needs to be left up in the air?  If the Commissioner determines that "full-time" is now 20 hours (or 60), that would dramatically affect the cost to employers.

 

SEC. 313. EMPLOYER CONTRIBUTIONS IN LIEU OF COVERAGE.

MY NOTE: This section allows employers to pay 8% of an employee's wages instead of covering them under a plan.  Small employers (defined as employers with total payroll of under $400,000) can pay less.  If the total payroll is under $250,000, employers are not required to pay anything at all on behalf of their employees with regard to health coverage. 

My reading indicates that all employers must provide coverage, or pay an excise tax.  I tried to research this, and I don't think that this is a current requirement.

 

SEC. 401. TAX ON INDIVIDUALS WITHOUT ACCEPTABLE HEALTH CARE COVERAGE.
`(a) Tax Imposed- In the case of any individual who does not meet the requirements of subsection (d) at any time during the taxable year, there is hereby imposed a tax equal to 2.5 percent of the excess of--

`(1) the taxpayer's modified adjusted gross income for the taxable year, over

`(2) the amount of gross income specified in section 6012(a)(1) with respect to the taxpayer.

MY NOTE: I read the entirety of Section 401 multiple times and very carefully.  Basically, if you are not paying a premium, then you will be taxed for an amount not to exceed the national average premium for "self-only" coverage.  The assumption here is that the government wants everyone to pay for acceptable coverage.  Considering that the alternative is to pay taxes, it would seem like this bill makes it pretty much compulsory.

 


(5) RELIGIOUS CONSCIENCE EXEMPTION-

`(A) IN GENERAL- Subsection (a) shall not apply to any individual (and any qualifying child residing with such individual) for any period if such individual has in effect an exemption which certifies that such individual is a member of a recognized religious sect or division thereof described in section 1402(g)(1) and an adherent of established tenets or teachings of such sect or division as described in such section.

`(B) EXEMPTION- An application for the exemption described in subparagraph (A) shall be filed with the Secretary at such time and in such form and manner as the Secretary may prescribe. Any such exemption granted by the Secretary shall be effective for such period as the Secretary determines appropriate.

MY NOTE: Who knew?  Apparently, under the current tax code, members of certain religious sects can avoid paying taxes for Social Security because their faith doesn't allow them to collect benefits under those types of programs.  The tax code doesn't name these specifically, but before you decide to start your own religion, it does specify that the sect must have been in existence "at all times since December 31, 1950".  I had no idea!

 

SEC. 412. RESPONSIBILITIES OF NONELECTING EMPLOYERS.

`(1) IN GENERAL- In addition to other taxes, there is hereby imposed on every nonelecting employer an excise tax, with respect to having individuals in his employ, equal to 8 percent of the wages

MY NOTE: This is a tax created on large employers only, since employers with payrolls under $400,000 don't have to pay as much (if under $250K, nothing at all).  I'm not sure how I feel about this part - I can see the reason behind it, but I'm not sure if taxing companies that decide not to provide coverage is the way to go.  I welcome your commentary on this.

 

SEC. 441. SURCHARGE ON HIGH INCOME INDIVIDUALS.

`(a) General Rule- In the case of a taxpayer other than a corporation, there is hereby imposed (in addition to any other tax imposed by this subtitle) a tax equal to--  

`(1) 1 percent of so much of the modified adjusted gross income of the taxpayer as exceeds $350,000 but does not exceed $500,000,

`(2) 1.5 percent of so much of the modified adjusted gross income of the taxpayer as exceeds $500,000 but does not exceed $1,000,000, and

`(3) 5.4 percent of so much of the modified adjusted gross income of the taxpayer as exceeds $1,000,000.

MY NOTES: This entire section is kind of a bombshell.  After this part, it states that the percentages in (1) and (2) above are going to be 2% and 3% respectively, unless the EXCESS FEDERAL HEALTH REFORM SAVINGS is over $150,000,000,000 (yes, that's billions).  The "excess" here is anything over $525,000,000,000.  Health reform savings is defined as "the aggregate reductions in Federal expenditures which have been achieved as a result of the provisions of, and amendments made by, division B of the America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009".  If the savings reaches $700 billion, they will not tax the first two groups listed above.

Let me get this straight - you won't tax rich people IF you manage to save three-quarters of a TRILLION DOLLARS from this program?!?  This is the ultimate empty gesture, in my humble opinion.  I think it seems even more ludicrous to include this provision, since it seems as though no one has any intention of doing away with this tax at any point. 

This reminds me of toll roads and other local taxing entities that are put in place "until the bond is paid off", but somehow new bonds are always necessary.  Does anyone really expect the bookkeeping to reflect a surplus/savings at this level? 

 

SUMMARY: Under these two titles both Employee Retirement Income Security Act (ERISA) and the Internal Revenue Code are modified.  New taxes are created in many ways. 

If you have actually read all four of these posts, I applaud you, because I think you are ahead of most people, including many of our elected representatives.

 


TYPOS/MISTAKES

Sec. 312. (c)(1) Should read "such" not "suchs"

Sec. 324 (a)(2) is an incomplete thought.  It appears to be missing the words "there is a" in front of the word "coordination".  Otherwise, this is not a complete sentence.

SEC. 806. REGULATIONS. There is no part (a) - starts with part (b).

 

     

 

 

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17 Comments on Continuing my Layman's Read Through of HR 3200 (Proposed Health Care Bill) - Part Four: The Reckoning

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Jason,

Again, it comes down to definitions. What is "acceptable" and who decides? It won't be us, that's for sure. I can see employers creating part-time and contract workers to avoid the tax. :)

Steve

2:53pm • #1
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Steve- I agree that we won't be the ones deciding. Employers can't avoid paying the tax unless their aggregage payroll is very small. They must provide coverage, or pay an 8% excise tax under this bill.
3:00pm • #2
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Jason -  to echo a great American, Frank Barone, Holy Crap! I missed the second and third installments. Almost every section of this bill is a tit for tat, we will give you this, but you will lose that. And we have to allow them access to our bank accounts and tax returns.

5:54pm • #3

Jason, I too have read all of HR3200.  It looks like we have come to the same conclusion.  The devil is in the details.  This shell leaves open so many possibilities, I don't even know why Congress held Town Hall Meetings at all.  They couldn't answer anything anyway because most of the reform will be written by the commissioners and their staffs.

Who says there will be no rationing, death panels, etc.,etc?  No matter what todays intentions are, unless they are covered in the bill, then sometime in the future they may be put in by the commissioners.  This bill or shell of a bill has some serious holes in it and I can understand all the confusion and anger.  Who says this bill can't be a socialized health bill?  Depends on the commissioners unless it is forbidden in the final bill.

So we will have to keep giving our opinions to our Congress and hope whatever comes out says exactly what they say it will.

6:02pm • #4
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Mike - I haven't seen anything that would allow them to have access to our bank accounts or tax returns, unless you are applying for an "affordability credit".

Ron - I agree that the Commissioner seems to have been vested with a ridiculous amount of power and leeway under this bill.

6:24pm • #5
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Jason - regarding bank accounts, I am referring to section 163 which amends the soc. sec. act section 1173, which allows for direct access to the information in bank accounts, not just to make deposits but to actually access the account

‘‘(D) enable the real-time (or near real

6 time) determination of an individual’s financial

7 responsibility at the point of service and, to the

8 extent possible, prior to service, including

9 whether the individual is eligible for a specific

10 service with a specific physician at a specific fa

11 cility, which may include utilization of a ma

12 chine-readable health plan beneficiary identi

13 fication card;

14 ‘‘(E) enable, where feasible, near real-time

15 adjudication of claims;

16 ‘‘(F) provide for timely acknowledgment,

17 response, and status reporting applicable to any

18 electronic transaction deemed appropriate by

19 the Secretary;

 

It is broad, it is unbounded, and the words "any electronic transaction deemed appropriate" are license for abuse. As far as I can tell, this is not for those applying for "affordability credit" which come much later in the document and do not refer back to here.

In other sections it makes our federal income tax returns available to many more regulatory and other bodies than is currently allowed under law.

6:52pm • #6
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Mike - Believe me, I am not in favor of anything that would affect our privacy, but I read this section differently.  It talks about determining an individual's responsibility (i.e. how much they must pay) but I still don't see how this allows them to access our accounts.  On the second point, however, I agree that it is nebulous and this language needs to be altered.

6:59pm • #7
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I love voluntary mandatories, or is it mandatory volunteerism, or is it.....

 

Oi Vey I was hoping your persistence would take away concerns. But than again, there are allegedly numerous version, and varying differences, 

 

INteresting times, to say the least

7:27pm • #8
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Jason- With the punishment of paying a tax if you don't get 'acceptable' insurance; how is this going to affect those who choose the Medical savings plan?

8:35pm • #9
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Jason, Before I was in Real Estate, I was in full time ministry.  In reference to your point regarding opting out of Social Security.  This is true.  When you go into ministry, you can opt out.  This means you don't have to pay any social security taxes.  However, it also means that you can never collect, which might not be a big deal soon anyway.  When we were young, I opted to stay in just in case anything happened to me.  That way, my wife and kids would be covered.  Of course, if you jump out of ministry into a job, then you start paying in at that point. 

Anyway, it does exist.  Many ministers choose to opt out and to save their own money for retirement.

8:35pm • #10
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Daniel - Yes, there are a lot of compulsory parts to this bill, based on the version I am reading (which seems to be the only readily available version online). 

Katerina - That's a great question, and it's not something that appears to be addressed in the bill.  I would love to see that as part of any final legislation that comes from this.

Bob - That is interesting to hear.  I had no idea about that.  As you may already know, we are in the midst of starting a church here, and I am familiar with some of the non-profit rules, but that wasn't one that I knew about.  Thanks for commenting - I learned something new today!

9:18pm • #11
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You took on quite a daunting task to read through all this and critique it, too.   And thank you so much for doing it    All I can say is that this plan has the potential to bankrupt the country, destroy businesses and fail the people it is supposed to help because of widespread fraud and corruption.   It's the government for heaven's sake.  Wake up!

10:02pm • #12
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Jason,

God bless you for taking the time to bury yourself into this massive undertaking.  Of course you are doing what some in the legislature is not willing to do.  There seems to be so much gray area that will allow them to determine later after the bill has passed. 

10:02pm • #13
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Hi Jason,  I admire your tenacity in getting through all of this--something ALL Americans should do and be aware as to what the bill ACTUALLY states.  I'm so fearful that we're heading for socialism and unfortunately, I don't know what we, as citizens, can do about this other than scream from the highest mountain! 

One of my dear friends moved here from Canada and told me following my surgery last week that had I lived there, I would have had to go out of the country for health care because the second opinion would have been out of the question--muchless the required surgery.  Had I not sought a second opinion, I would have been disabled for life.  That was the real eye-opener for me and I am completely against this bill.  Why would we support a system that can't manage social security, medicare or medicaid as it is? 

After listening to the president's speech this evening, I realized after the second lie about the acne and the breast cancer patient that the speech was going to be a bunch of bunk that will persuade less astute listeners/citizens and it is such a shame. 

This is one of the things that is at the top of my prayer list--I WANT those from other countries to come to America for our healthcare and this is definitely going to squelch that luxury that we have. 

Thank you so much for taking the time to do our due diligence regarding this proposed bill and I look forward to the continuing series--depressing as it may be, I'm enjoying being more informed because of you.

Debe in Charlotte

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That 8% excise tax in section 412 looks pretty steep. And we need to remember that most of the additional tax burden placed on businesses will eventually find its way to consumers in the form of higher prices or limited choices.

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Jason,

I echo Larry's comment "God bless you for taking th time to bury yourself into this massive undertaking!" You are doing what those in the legislature are not doing!! I am so proud of you for tackling this and I am grateful to be able to read you posts and stay informed. Thank you Jason!

10:10am • #16
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wow Jason, I'm going to have to read all your posts on this issue.  My biggest objection to the bill is Section 301.  Bills like this that fine people for non-compliance take away free choice and hurt the very people that the bill was intended to help in the first place.

Maybe you should send your briefs to every member of congress!

12:14pm • #17

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