Two of my favorite mortgage bloggers wrote some great articles that I want First Time Buyers in our area to check out and weigh their options:

Outsmart the Crowd: Skip the $8000 Tax Credit and Wait to Buy by Janet Guilbault

And the rebuttal:

So you think you outsmarted the crowd because you skipped the $8,000 first time homebuyers tax credit by Jeff Belonger

Who do I feel is right?  They both are to a degree.

I feel there is a bit of a sense of urgency because we DON'T know nor can we predict where rates are going to be in December.  We also don't know where underwriting guidelines are going to take us (Read Lenn Harley, one of my favorite AR Agents on FHA LOANS IN TROUBLE?)  One thing that caused this mess is every time banks see a new foreclosure risk, guidelines for underwriting a mortgage loan get tighter and therefore only special people can get financed, therefore prices fell.

Prices fell so low in Las Vegas that it spurred a FLURRY OF ALL CASH INVESTOR PURCHASE ACTIVITY.  In July, cash accounted for 38% of ALL SOLD properties.  I pull numbers for my market reports around the 15th of the month and I took a sneek peek for August.  That number jumped to 42% of all purchases were CASH.  This number has continued to rise on a monthly basis since the Las Vegas Area QUICKLY turned into a SELLER'S MARKET in APRIL

The REO market is in DIRE NEED of inventory with less than one month inventory for the last several months (6 months is considered stable!)  REO Asset Managers would rather pick an ALL CASH offer over an FHA offer (read Lenn Harley's post again if you don't get it) because they have less contingencies and quicker closes than financed offers (and also less appraisal, lender required repair issues that can call for a lower net than that lower cash offer!)

The concession stand (seller paying buyer's closing costs) is CLOSED as far as I am concerned.  Close to 70% of buyers are getting $500 or less towards their closing costs.  That gets them a choice between a home warranty or an appraisal getting paid. 

Appraisals are coming in low.  Many sellers are asking for buyers to waive the appraisal contingency and pay for the difference between the contracted price and appraisal price (on top of your normal down payment.)

So Las Vegas Area First Time Buyers who have their eye on that $8000 prize have to ask themselves (with these challenges):

  • Are you prepared to fall in love with (in some cases) 20+ homes and write offers on them?
  • Are you prepared to pay your closing costs (anywhere between 3-6% of loan price depending on lender)?
  • Are you prepared to pay the difference between contract price and appraisal price if your appraisal comes in low?  (FHA down payment is 3.5% of contracted purchase price.)

Homes must be contracted prior to November 1 and close by December 1.  With no inventory in the REO market you may have to go to the short sale market (with a dismal AND LONG close history ) or pray for a new construction fallout (but those prices just ain't as attractive!)

Now my crystal ball has been broken for quite sometime:

Where will prices go?  I don't know but they are stabilizing and going up currently (note:  I said currently)

Where will rates go?  I don't know

Where will inventory go?  I don't know but the moratorium inventory has been entering the market since May and 13-14% of trustee's sales (the foreclosure sale) is going to private parties.  This is up from 1-2% last year.

Where will underwriting guidelines go?  I don't know but I certainly haven't seen them get "looser" in the last three years.  They have only got more ridiculous and tight.  And just when you don't think it can get any crazier, believe me it does.

You may actually end up paying more out of pocket (for extra down payment and closing costs) JUST in the name of winning the $8000 prize.  Economic conditions, willing, of course!

Weigh all of your options, do not participate in irrational buying activity, which got us into this position in the first place.  Read Comment #75 on Jeff's Post.

 

 

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12 Comments on Las Vegas Area First Time Home Buyers: How Far Will You Go For $8000?

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Renee, well said.  This appraisal thing is beginning to show it's ugly head in our area too.

Hey, was I supposed to call you or where you going to call me?  I'm on floor duty in the morning.  We can talk then, if you wish.

8:37pm • #1
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Renee, great points!!  We don't have the Crystal Ball as to what Congress will or will not do when it concerns the tax credit.  You did an awesome job at pointing out all the details.  Yet another reason I read your blog and love it!

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Renee, Great blog.  I love the "out smart the crowd ...."  'Who knows' is anyone guess?  but we know THE TAX CREDIT IS AVAILABLE NOW. If only we could talk to each and every potential buyer, let's hope our blogs get to many of them.   I call and send post cards out as I know most of us do so here is hoping. 

9:47pm • #3
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Now one has a crystal ball.. all we know is that things are unpredictable... and there are always pluses and minuses to every market.

9:47pm • #4
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Renee, That's a great looking post, full info and interpretation of data too. You have inspired me for my next report.

10:07pm • #5
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Both were thought provoking - Just like everything in real estate, it is a personal situation that varies for everybody. I lean towards "If it makes good sense now, go for it" A bird in hand is better than two in bush right?

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Another view and a well written report that will stir up momentum as the deadline closes in. . it's all about timing. .great post!

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Renee - This blog post stirs us a controversial argument as to the future of loans.  As a mortgage broker I see underwriting guidelines getting more strict.  I also predict that interest rates aer more likely to rise due to the fact that at some point the federal government will stop buying mortgage backed securities aka MBS (mortgages packaged and sold as bonds to investors from Fannie Mae, Freddie and Ginne Mae).  If there is no appetite for these MBS then rates will rise.  Funny thing is that these are probably the safest MBS ever being sold because the underwriting guidelines are so strict!  So many pension funds, foreign investors and fund companies lost when the previous MBS were sold to them as AAA rated bonds when in fact they were riddled with junk loans that defaulted.  Because of the apprehension to buy these by investors worldwider I think the rates will go higher.  I hope these investors will realize how solid these MBS are because if they do and they buy them rates will remain low.  Watch the bond market to see how things will play out.  Oh and as far as the 8,000, It really is more than 8,000 because there is no income tax being paid (that i am aware of anyway) so 8,000 net is more like 11,000 gross.

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Bob:  I will give you a holler in a minute (barring any interruptions!)

Ray:  THANKS! 

Debbie:  :wink:

Joan:  And they must be weighed for the right reasons, you are correct!

Rich:  Can't wait to see it!

Steve:  True, but if it is barely attainable I don't want to give buyers false expectations if deadlines cannot be met!

Fernando:  THANKS!

Nevin:  That's why I avoided too much mortgage insight - I am not a true mortgage expert (although I must carry some knowledge these days to work as an agent).  I really appreciate your long comment and the value you added to this post!

10:52am • #9
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Hey Renee -- I read Janet's blog, missed Jeff's but what a good call and good comparison.  Can't say you play favorites!!  Thanks for putting the two together . . .

I've had to write cover letters, presented with my offer package that the buyer is NOT getting the $8,000 . . . they owned a home within the past 3 years, or they earn too much.  A lot of sellers know that the buyer will get this, but not all of them.  When it comes down to the concessions, I try to get them, and if sellers think the buyers will be getting $8,000 -- they can press a hard bargain, and there goes seller's contribution to buyers' closing costs. 

6:16pm • #10
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Carla:  Exactly, everything needs to be weighed for each different situation!  When I present these days I feel like I am an attorney trying to paint a picture that my client is the best client and the only client that can close on the property these days!  I never thought of presenting it sans tax credit, beautiful!

7:21pm • #11
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Hi Renee ~ I'm glad you talk about the Las Vegas market in your post. The thing that bothers me about both the posts you make reference to is that they are generalizing the entire market and not taking into account local market conditions.

Right now the $8000 tax credit is money in the bank for first time home buyers here in Iowa City. Sellers still have wiggle room and buyer incentives are still par for the course. Home prices are not falling to any significant degree and the chances of them falling $20,000 on a starter home this winter are slim to none.

What I'm saying that anyone in the market to buy a home should figure out what their local market is doing and make their decisions based on that. Real estate at the end of the day is local!

 

Denise

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