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30 Comments on The Press is on...
Lane... very well done and very well said... From day one, I have been mostly against this, because of the short term and long term ramifications, that so many, even our gov't, have ignored. Yes, it has helped... but we need to allow this to happen naturally. You mentioned several reasons what got us in this mess, and I think one of the biggest was the gov't forcing Fannie and Freddie's hands to extend financing to more people than it should... with no money down and much higher income ratios.
Overall, most of my buyers this year where planning on buying anyhow... it was just nice to get the $8,000 on top of this... would I like to see this continued? Yes, but no... and I agree, it just needs to stop. Now, what would really tick me off is if they continued it, but by raising the limit to $15,000. If this happened, how about all politicians giving up their lifetime health care and pensions? Okay, maybe not give it up, but have to sacrifice a certain percentage. We will suffer, they won't, because they are protected... that really ticks me off.
I'm torn about this. It has been good for business, and I also see the flip side of potentially extending the agony of the recovery.
PS... Jessica... why aren't there as many comments on Lane's post, as opposed to Loreena Yeo's post? Because many realtors look at their pay check.. yes, many loan officers do also... but they look at now, not the future. This will hurt us in some time period... aren't we in debt enough? Is this helping the true recovery? Many experts say no, as I have said also. But we are Americans... we need that quick fix now, not later... even if later will be worse.
Here is my overall problem and I might lose some fans or supporters... but I have found many on AR to comment on those blogs that sound warm and fuzzy, without truly thinking out the repercussions. I could name one blogger on here that writes that kind of stuff, in more cases to get comments and to be popular... yet if you really pick apart the blogs, a lot of it is fluff and this author has even admitted this to me on several occasions. Sad, but true. We need to think things out, and not just do it because it sounds good or feels good now. Just my .02.
From the desk of David Dee,
Lane,
That is a different perspective. I believe that the 8k Tax Credit has helped stimulate the economy as it provided the kick to get buyers off the fence. However, there comes a time when things will have to happen naturally.
Lane,
I agree, it's a stalling tactic, just a band-aid. Natural supply and demand is what a "market" is.
Also so far how is the government doing with social security, medicare, the post office, the war on poverty, etc, etc.
Linda Metallo, Re/max Impact, Lockport, Il.
Lane, I agree. First time home buyers in my market were going to buy anyway. First time homebuyers have always dominated the market. Did it get some buyers off the fence? Yes it did. But, if it had not been offerered in the first place it most First Time Buyers would have bought anyway. Bravo!
Lane - I just wish someone would make up their mind about it and stop saying "we're talking about..." and that "we might do..." The speculation over all of this has been way too much. NAR should have been pushing (if they wanted to push) long before now (and I'm sure they were, but just not as publicly) to make this a reality in order to avoid what I feel is going to be people hanging on for the hope over the next month and a half. If it doesn't happen, there will be a lot of regret, if it does, there will be a lot of "I told you so" passed around. Will be interesting to see the outcome.
This tax credit needs to end. I also don't like it how NAR is "representing" us by telling everyone that we want the credit extended.
Hi, Lane:
I agree with you, which is why I reblogged your post immediately. I hope other people will see it and think twice about jumping on NAR's bandwagon. It is self-serving.
Cheers,
Robin
boy this is really going to start to be a hot topic but I am full agreement it needs to end you had your chance I want business to recover all the handouts need to eventually stop
Lane: Thanks for the post. Eventually the credit will probably end. I expect it to be extended in some form past December 1 but I think you're right. We will soon get to a more normal market. It may not be until Summer 2010 at the earliest but we will welcome it nonetheless. It's been a rough ride for a lot of us. Thanks again!
My business does not target people who do the tax credit. It is geared to investors, and my short sale team. It would be in my best interest to see no new tax credits. If prices and demand go down especially as we approach 10% unemployment nationwide, I will benefit. So I am torn. Do I care that I believe that the housing industry is still fragile and needs stimulus? Or should i take a self-interest point of view? Stay tuned.
There have been a lot of interesting and varying opinions about the tax credit on AR today. Lot's of food for thought.
Kathy
Cash for Clunkers remorse anyone? They were so happy for their rebate program- now look at the mess they are in. We need long term solutions. Not short.
So the market is stll fragile... fine.
So the market could go down... fine.
So the market could .... FINE.
I agree with you 100%. We just had our company meeting with a hearty applause when they announced that the new bill should be going through. Yes, it is good for the current paycheck status, but people never look at the bigger picture. No government stimulus is needed. All it does is float todays economy part time while flipping the bill to future generations (like me). Just let the bubble burst!!! Let it correct itself. Let people actually LEARN that things just are not so rosy and peachy keen. The sooner we remove these excess programs from our ever bulging tax bills, the sooner we can move forward.
Also.... think on this - Would a first time buyer be better served buying a 100k house and getting a 8k credit, or being able to buy that same house for 85k? Sooooo many MORE buyers would be able to get a house at more realistic prices.
Thank you all for the comments. Remember that agreement is NOT a requirement on my blog. I welcome dissenting opinions.
Matt - I don't know that prices are out of line in my market... but there may be people thinking that a better deal might come along with respect to freebies from our Uncle...
Joe - The tax credit IS helping some of my segment... but I still think that it needs to end.
Hi Lane -- I totally agree, just like the cash for clunkers program. Let the market right itself, no matter how painful (for all of us).
I agree as well, it will be interesting to see what happens.
Good Post Lane. I actually believe the credit should be extended for all Home Buyers. We have always heard the sky is falling, were leaving all this debt for our children. It's simply an economic cycle, just as we had a budget surplus at the end of the 90's and went in to a massive deficit. It's simply a cycle and the Tax Credit provides a band-aid to get us through this cycle.
Eric - Actually... no we didn't. Clinton never actually produced a surplus, unless you don't count all of his spending. Furthermore, we were IN a recession at the end of the clinton Presidency. But at the end of the Clinton Presidency, we were almost $6T in debt. Now we are almost $12T in debt ($10T last year). Just like with your household debt, at some point the intrest gets unsupportable... and we are just about there.
Trying to fool the market doesn't work. And we are about to have a reality check... but even if we continue the credit, it will cease to help the housing market. There is no immediacy if the credit continues.