RANDOM THOUGHTS ABOUT COPYRIGHT, INFRINGEMENT, ACTIVE RAIN POSTS, ATTRIBUTION, LINKS AND SNIPPETS.   

It appears that a RAINER got a post deleted because 99% of the post was not written by the member. 

This is a gray area to many, but copyright is really simple.  The creator or writer of an article is the ONLY person who has the right to any benefit derived from publication or distribution of an article, movie or book.  Unless you have purchased and paid for the right to publish or distribute content written by someone else, you do not have permission to publish that material as content on your web site or blog post. 

WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE???   AN ACTIVE RAIN POST GIVES BENEFITS.  THE BENEFITS GO TO THE ACTIVE RAIN MEMBER THAT PUBLISHED THE CONTENT ON THEIR BLOG. 

IF YOU WROTE THE ARTICLE, you are the author and own the copyright on that content.  You can print and distribute AND you can PUBLISH the content. 

IF YOU DIDN'T WRITE THE ARTICLE, you do not own the content and cannot publish it - EVEN WITH ATTRIBUTION.

If you ask an author for permission to "REPRINT" and receive that permission, you may PRINT the article and distribute, perhaps in mailings or hand-outs in a relocation package.  The author's name will be on the article.  You are merely distributing the article and will benefit only by the limited number of copies distributed.  the author benefits by having their writing distributed. 

PERMISSION TO REPRINT IS NOT PERMISSION TO PUBLISH

By publishing an article written by someone else, you used the writing of another as bait to YOUR web site because there is a link on your post to your profile which has a link to your web site.  This may not have been intended, but the benefit is real.  Content is content and you can't use content created/written by another for your own benefit.  The synergy of the Internet is complicated, but ANY content contains keywords, keyword phrases and they are SEARCH ENGINE BAIT.  Content on Active Rain that is published also has a link back to the blogger's profile and the profile may have a link to the blogger's web site or sites. 

LINKS FROM AN ACTIVE RAIN POST HAVE INTERNET SYNERGY

 

Internet LinksThe original Active Rain post links to your Active Rain Profile

Your Active Rain Profile links to any "LINKS" you have added to your profile. 

Your Active Rain post links to any outgoing links to web page(s) you include in the post. 

Your web sites offer your services to the public and include your e-mail, contact information, name, affiliations.

Web links or blogrolls link to other pages on the Internet.

 

 

USE SNIPPETS AND LINK - THAT'S "FAIR USE"

The proper way to get the information to the reader would have been to publish an "introduction" or "snippet", three or four lines of the original material and then LINK to the article on the author's web site.  The "Fair Use" exclusion under copyright law was intended for reviewers of original material, critics of books, movies, etc. to use "SNIPPETS"or short excerpts of original material and then publish the review of the original, not the original.  When one publishes an entire article, they have violated the copyright of the author, even if you give attribution and include the author's name in the article.

Use Snippets and then LINK.  LINKS make the Internet go round and round. 

We don't even have to get into duplicate content.  That's another post. 

 

118 Comments on YOU CANNOT "REPRINT" ON ACTIVE RAIN. IT IS COPYRGHT INFRINGEMENT

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18
2007
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Thank you Lenn for posting this. It has been a hot topic on AR this past week.
8:30am • #1
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Lenn,

Thanks for the info, but you know that no matter how many times we bring up this issue, people will still copy/paste, steal, use, etc.  I very much appreciate your dedication in trying to keep things on the up and up with copyright law.  Keep it up.

8:34am • #2
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Such a simple thing, but I never thought of it as "permission to rePRINT".  Thanks for clearing that up!  (Not that I do that anyway, but it's good to know!)
8:37am • #3
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Lenn, you... probably more than anyone else on AR, know about the do's and don'ts of copyrighted material.  You simplified this in such a way that, hopefully, more will understand it as well and maybe, just maybe, actually do it the right way!  I can hope, can't I?  :-)
8:38am • #4
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You are correct, and even if somehow you get away with it. Google will see and not give you any SEO benefit for it.

 

Jim

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Lenn, thanks for the clear explanation.  Seems a lot of Rainers have trouble with this concept.  Link, link, link......  (Waiting for your duplicate content post (LOL - that'll be a good one!)
8:40am • #6
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Stephanie.  I didn't realize it was a "hot topic" until this morning when I read about the post edited or edited out. 

Jason.  Copy/paste is a very helpful tool when you're moving your own content around.  Copyright law isn't complicated.  One simply needs to understand that if you didn't create it, it isn't yours and if it isn't yours, you can't use it.  That's a concept learned at our Mama's knee.  I'm a bit of a hard liner about  copyright matters because I've had folks stealing content from my web sites for about 4 years now.  I don't buy the "I didn't know" excuse. 

 

 

8:41am • #7
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There are many posts on here & other places that are simply copies of an article. Some of them are so blatant (i.e. they don't even add their own opinion to it). I really do think that SOME people don't realize that reposting someone else's work is a copyright infringement. I think they get confused & think it's just like saying "hey, did you see this great article written by so & so". They believe they are bringing good content to their fellow real estate agent or consumer. It's sad. Great post, as usual Lenn.
8:48am • #8
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Lenn,   I thought that the lady had written the author and asked for permission to put the post up on her blog at ActiveRain.  The author gave that permission.  Are you saying that even with that specific permission that it was a violation?
8:51am • #9
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Lenn, I don't want to hijack your post, but I discovered just last night that someone was using content from my blog.

Actually it's not such a grey area the way you describe it. It's very clear. I just wish that, if they are going to crack down on copyright infringement, then do it across the board.  I know of a person who has amassed over 12,000 points. And not a single word in any of his posts are his own words. It's all cut and paste.

 

 

8:52am • #10
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Didn't KK highlight a product that sounds an alert when duplicate content is published on the web?  Wonder if there is a version on steroids that AR could use to keep things as they should be....
8:56am • #11
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Lenn -- great topic!   Thanks for posting it! 

Leon -- The moderators do their best to identify the cut/paste article.  Members can do their part.  See that red FLAG at the bottom of each post?  Click on it and report the person.  If every member did their part to police it and not leave it up to the moderators we would catch violators quicker.   

 

 

 

8:58am • #12
Lenn, thanks for the educational lesson. I am sure most folks know what they are doing is wrong and hopefully they read this and stop! and then there are the ones that just didn't know and you have enlightened them.
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5 stars for this one, Lenn.  I didn't realize that permission to reprint did not include permission to republish.  I'll bet there are a lot of folks out there in the same boat as me.  That being said, I think a lot better use of someone else's material in a blog is to quote a sentence or two and attribute it to the author.  Surely we have some original thoughts of our own!
9:07am • #14
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Great post, Lenn, as always. The frequent reminder to all about copyright, plagiarism, etc. is important, although there will still probably be some folks who are either so dense they don't get it, too lazy to write their own stuff, or figure they will not get caught. Colleen - sright - the fed flag is there for a reason.

Jeff

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Lenn.... Yes, I agree.... great post. I actually did a search for something on AR the other night and came across  two of the same posts by different members. So I flagged the one with the latest date. And I agree with what Jason said, we can talk about this so often and people still don't listen.  But thanks for mentioning this again.

                                                                                                             jeff belonger 

9:16am • #16
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Lenn - you are the queen on this info, that's for sure!  Why this doesn't come across as black and white to those who do it baffles me to no end.  I know the moderators are busy with various things on AR, including this, but if others would let the moderators know when they see a post like this, I bet those who continue to do this would soon stop, or just leave the network.  A little bit of policing our own I bet would go a long way, just read what Colleen wrote above.

Great info in this post, Lenn!
Ann

9:18am • #17
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This should be mandatory reading for all new bloggers here on Active Rain.   Lenn, your explanation is very good, easy to understand and clear. 
9:18am • #18
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Soo, you're telling me if I use your maps to link to my website, BUT on my website I give credit to you for the maps...I am still in the wrong?!?!? 

The copy and paste bandits drive me nuts.  I pay for Copyscape to check for copyright material.  I don't need it yet for my own creations but use it occassionally to check material on here.

And by the way, Lenn...your post is clear no other posting yet, except for the disclaimer below, it was found on 4 other sites.

9:22am • #19
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Colleen, I actually did that. And he continues. Every week it's the same thing. 10 quick articles and 2,000 easy points. I wonder if the people at AR have too much to do to try to catch every violator?  I'll give it another try. Thanks anyway for the reminder.

 

 

9:23am • #20
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Such a simple thing, but I never thought of it as "permission to rePRINT".  Thanks for clearing that up!  (Not that I do that anyway, but it's good to know!)
Sarah.  One of the problems is that persons don't always know for what they are giving permission.  They are flattered and say "of course", when they
don't really know how the content is going to be used. 

Lenn, you... probably more than anyone else on AR, know about the do's and don'ts of copyrighted material.  You simplified this in such a way that, hopefully, more will understand it as well and maybe, just maybe, actually do it the right way!  I can hope, can't I?  :-)
Leanne- We can hope, we can hope.

You are correct, and even if somehow you get away with it. Google will see and not give you any SEO benefit for it.
James - THAT is a very real possibility.  One of the most egregious copyright infringement cases that I won was most infuriating because the thief
not only took my maps, but copied the content of demographic information directly from my page.  I was as much concerned about the duplicate content
as I was infuriated that they stole about 10 of my maps. 

Lenn, thanks for the clear explanation.  Seems a lot of Rainers have trouble with this concept.  Link, link, link......  (Waiting for your duplicate content post (LOL - that'll be a good one!) 
Peggy.  We do, indeed, want links, but we want them honestly.  If one is going to use information written by others, they can write a snippet and then LINK.

There are many posts on here & other places that are simply copies of an article. Some of them are so blatant (i.e. they don't even add their own opinion to it). I really do think that SOME people don't realize that reposting someone else's work is a copyright infringement. I think they get confused & think it's just like saying "hey, did you see this great article written by so & so". They believe they are bringing good content to their fellow real estate agent or consumer. It's sad. Great post, as usual Lenn.
Susan - Maybe this event is an indication that the Active Rain folks are going to start deleting copyright protected material.  I have always believed that Active Rain is at risk for publishing this clearly copyright protected content.  Although, there are some recent decisions that do not hold the "host" liable.

Lenn,   I thought that the lady had written the author and asked for permission to put the post up on her blog at ActiveRain.  The author gave that permission.  Are you saying that even with that specific permission that it was a violation?
Tim.  I don't know what transpired in this matter.  I don't know what type of permission was given.  I do know that I read the post before it was deleted and I thought at the time, OUCH, I wonder if the writer knows how this article was going to be published.  I just moved on because I'm not the copyright police.  I also thought that the blogger was using content not their own to benefit by the article.  The blogger got points, links to their profile, links to their web site, etc., etc. and yet they created nothing of their own intellectual property.  They merely copied someone else's intellectual property and gained the benefits. 

Lenn, I don't want to hijack your post, but I discovered just last night that someone was using content from my blog.
Actually it's not such a grey area the way you describe it. It's very clear. I just wish that, if they are going to crack down on copyright infringement, then do it across the board.  I know of a person who has amassed over 12,000 points. And not a single word in any of his posts are his own words. It's all cut and paste.
Leon - All I can say is that stinks.   But,, but perhaps if the Active Rain folks look at them they will dump those copied articles.  It really ads insult to injury when a RAINER not only steals content but also gets points for it.  We've got one of them in MD too. 
The rules discourage OUTING plagiarizers and that's probably a good rule in a civilized social network.
9:25am • #21

Lenn,

Awesome blog, and a long time coming!

I have a question that I am hoping to get some help with.
What is your feeling of another AR putting in your listing. The listing blog itself appears above my listing, using my photos, my verbage, even including my comments made on the town the home is located in!
I asked the agent to remove it, he told me he was only "helping" my seller and I was ignorant if I didn't think so! ( I am listed as the Listing Agent)

I don't think this is at all acceptable. The only person he is helping is himsself by playing the points game.
There are numerous listings put in the system that do not belong to this agent. I don't understand how this sort of thing can go on. I find it rather MADDENING!!

9:26am • #22
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I was reprinted last week without my permission - and I didn't even know it was a problem until another Active Rainer pointed it out to me. The article I wrote was published in Realty Times, and they were way more upset about it than I was. But they took care of it, so that was cool!

As always, good to know the details. Thanks!!

9:35am • #23
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this irks me so much... I spend a lot of time flagging these because I spend a lot of time coming up with original content and I just don't get how people will just cut and paste and act like it doesn't matter.

I also see people who subscribe to services for ghost writers... get real!!

9:40am • #24
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Lenn thank you for this excellent explanation - loved the diagram at the bottom. I've never seen my stuff reprinted but it's always funny after someone writes on a theme that's featured you see bunches of "similar" posts - coincidence? Always learning something new here - thanks oh wise one! :-) 
9:42am • #25
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Didn't KK highlight a product that sounds an alert when duplicate content is published on the web?  Wonder if there is a version on steroids that AR could use to keep things as they should be....
Suzanne.  Copyscape is very popular.  I don't use it because there are too many false positives when it finds words and phrases.  Serious copyright infringement is in the theft of entire articles, not words, phrases and snippets, although any use of someone else's content should be identified. I'm more interested in theft of my images and in particular my maps.  But, I know how to handle that.  I have a $5,000 check sitting in my P.O. Box now waiting for me to get there to pick it up. 

The agent that stole two maps from my web site also copied an article from another MD agent and put it on his web site.  It's gone now.  I understand that matter is going to be handled through the broker, which is, IMO, a serious serious mistake.  But, shucks, I don't tell folks how to defend themselves when they steal content.

Lenn -- great topic!   Thanks for posting it!
Leon -- The moderators do their best to identify the cut/paste article.  Members can do their part.  See that red FLAG at the bottom of each post?  Click on it and report the person.  If every member did their part to police it and not leave it up to the moderators we would catch violators quicker.  
Colleen.  I don't believe the moderators can keep up with it.  It appears to be lower on the list of priorities than other tasks.

Lenn, thanks for the educational lesson. I am sure most folks know what they are doing is wrong and hopefully they read this and stop! and then there are the ones that just didn't know and you have enlightened them.
Caroline.  Lots of folks don't know.  However, lots do know and publish anyway and figure they'll never get caught.  Or in the case of my content, think that nothing will happen if they DO get caught and take it down that nothing will happen.  WRONG  ! ! ! !    They WILL pay damages for the use of my property. 

5 stars for this one, Lenn.  I didn't realize that permission to reprint did not include permission to republish.  I'll bet there are a lot of folks out there in the same boat as me.  That being said, I think a lot better use of someone else's material in a blog is to quote a sentence or two and attribute it to the author.  Surely we have some original thoughts of our own!
Margaret.  Lots of folks don't know.  Lots know and do it anyway.  Those are the ones we need to watch out for. 

Great post, Lenn, as always. The frequent reminder to all about copyright, plagiarism, etc. is important, although there will still probably be some folks who are either so dense they don't get it, too lazy to write their own stuff, or figure they will not get caught. Colleen - sright - the fed flag is there for a reason.
Jeff.  I don't believe that the red flag works.

Lenn.... Yes, I agree.... great post. I actually did a search for something on AR the other night and came across  two of the same posts by different members. So I flagged the one with the latest date. And I agree with what Jason said, we can talk about this so often and people still don't listen.  But thanks for mentioning this again.
Jeff.  And again, and again, and again. 
                                                                                                           
Lenn - you are the queen on this info, that's for sure!  Why this doesn't come across as black and white to those who do it baffles me to no end.  I know the moderators are busy with various things on AR, including this, but if others would let the moderators know when they see a post like this, I bet those who continue to do this would soon stop, or just leave the network.  A little bit of policing our own I bet would go a long way, just read what Colleen wrote above.
Great info in this post, Lenn!
Ann.  Thanks.  I don't believe that the red flag works.  I've flagged many articles that were clear copyright violations.  They are still up.

This should be mandatory reading for all new bloggers here on Active Rain.   Lenn, your explanation is very good, easy to understand and clear. 
Deborah.  Thanks.  That was my goal. 

Soo, you're telling me if I use your maps to link to my website, BUT on my website I give credit to you for the maps...I am still in the wrong?!?!? 
The copy and paste bandits drive me nuts.  I pay for Copyscape to check for copyright material.  I don't need it yet for my own creations but use it occassionally to check material on here.
And by the way, Lenn...your post is clear no other posting yet, except for the disclaimer below, it was found on 4 other sites.
Bob.  I didn't understand all that you wrote.  However, there is no way that you're going to get a legal link from one of my maps to YOUR web site.  You can link from your web site to my map.  In fact, I believe that is a great idea. 

Colleen
, I actually did that. And he continues. Every week it's the same thing. 10 quick articles and 2,000 easy points. I wonder if the people at AR have too much to do to try to catch every violator?  I'll give it another try. Thanks anyway for the reminder.
Leon:  I know the folks at AR are busy.  They dumped about 2,000 points worth of my photos this week.  Oh well, I'm used to it.  I just work harder, smarter, or I'll outlast them.
9:46am • #26
Since it's so easy to copy and paste many people don't think about copyright laws, I know I didn't, but thanks to helpful posts, such as this, I am more aware and on my toes to not break any laws. 
9:49am • #27

Good Morning Lenn, Great Post I love Your BlogFlow  Next time can you add how it feeds Google

 

Blog ---> Feeds Google 

 

 

 

10:01am • #28
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Recently an otherwise informed/intelligent person in another field told me that if it is online, it is there to be used -- writing, pictures, anything.  He was not some smarty-pants thinking he was getting away with something, he was discussing a resource.  That is the misguided direction many people are operating from.
10:08am • #29
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Before I use the information I always get permission, very specific permission, from the source before using it on any of my blogs. 99% of my postings are original from me. However, there is also good stuff out there from other authors. As long as they give permission for use on a blog, there should be no legal problem. Also, news releases are used on our association blogs/webpages and these are put out with the intent that they will be published elsewhere. In addition, government documents and releases are not copyrighted.

As I mentioned, nearly everything I put out is original, but once in a while there is some very useful or important information that needs to be given exposure and if it can be done LEGALLY, I see no problem with it. Blantantly stealing someone else's work is a completely different matter.

10:18am • #30

Hi Lenn,

Great post!

I'm an engineer who does home inspections, so I spend some time reading web pages related to home inspections.  I have read numerous articles on the National Association of Certified Home Inspectors (NACHI) web site that explicitly give their members permission to reprint the articles without credit. 

I'm not a member of NACHI, and I wouldn't reprint anything without giving credit--even if I had permission to do so.   As you might expect, the NACHI articles have been pasted into many blogs on Active Rain--sometimes with attribution, and sometimes without.   Even though this is probably perfectly legal, I find it distasteful.  It is intellectually dishonest to represent someone else's work as your own even if you have permission to do so.  We owe a duty not only to the writer, but to the reader as well; and readers haven't given us permission to misrepresent material as our own, even if the writer has.  (I'm not bashing NACHI here.  Overall, my impression of that organization is positive, but they shouldn't encourage use of their material without credit.) 

It's not OK to be unethical, even if someone gives you permission.

David Harkness, P.E.

Consulting Engineer / Inspector

http://homeanalytical.com

10:22am • #31
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JudyAnn.

That was the same statement made by the former PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES - JIMMY CARTER after he used maps and content from Dennis Ross's book about the Middle East.  It will probably go nowhere because Saint Jimmy is privileged.  However, his statement made me believe that he did take the content.  He said, "they were on the Internet.  If it's on the Internet. . . . ."

I've litigated and settled claims of over $100K from folks who thought my maps were fair game because they were "on the Internet".

 

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Lenn- thanks for the post- rewording the question.  If I loved the post that should have been featured but wasn't- the one re. buyers and buyer agents making offers, are you saying that, in the context of my own opinion about this on our website (not in process- just asking) I should link to you for the content?  I'm confused, and the notion of copying someone else's thoughts is not an option.  So what I guess I'm asking is, is there any problem with beginning an article by saying (example) "I read an amazing bit of advice regarding buyers and their agents", and then linking to your article?  What is the protocol for this?  There are a number of great messages here, but linking hasn't been considered by us, due to infringement.  We do it with national publications occasionally, but not yet AR info.
10:35am • #33
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Lenn,

Thank you.  This makes it pretty clear.  :)

This post should be added to the AR Community Resources, if it hasn't already.  (I haven't read the comments yet) 

 

10:40am • #34
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Another great post Lenn.  Keep at it.  Someday, people will think twice about the cut & paste point run-up.

I snag someone  almost each week either copying anothers blog or just copying material from another source. 

 

Red flags are a good tool to help AR keep the trash where it belongs.

10:58am • #35
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Laurie - THAT is precisely the way it is supposed to be done.  That is the "snippet" that is permitted under the Fair Use section of the Copyright laws.

You can comment about, use a short excerpt from the publication and then link to it. 

I've had folks say that they PRINTED articles from Active Rain.  That means reprinting and distributing.  I have no problem with that AS LONG AS THEY DON'T CUT MY NAME OFF AND PUT THEIR OWN ON the article. 

However, if it's online, the snippet should be used and link.  Otherwise everyone runs the risk of duplicate content.  That is a risk that content thieves don't seem to consider but it can be very serious.

 

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Quite a few things happened this last week. An AR member used three (maybe more ...who knows ..I only saw three with my own eyes) posts from different AR members and posted on his website. Another literally copied and pasted it into his post....and then says it was a joke.

I tried copyscape and I was on some loan calculator site. Weird.

11:07am • #37
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How about people that steal your site design - 

Most of these lazy people - still consider themselves as ethical. You know, the white lie syndrome...  

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I think this should go in the "Newbies" group!

All great points and it is so hard to surf AR when you see this stuff happening.  Couldn't imagine how the original authors feel and the damage it causes! 

11:13am • #39
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Cheryl:  IMO, the copying and printing of a listing without the listing broker's permission is a clear violation of the COE.  Using your listing to collect points is another matter.  It's clearly a violation of the guidelines of AR, IMO.  But, I'm not the AR police.

I believe that if I found someone using my listing as Link Bait or Google Bait, I'd notice their broker. 

BROKERS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR AGENT ADVERTISING.

 

 

11:14am • #40
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Lenn- got it.  Believe it or not, some of us don't fully comprehend "snippet", so your post makes it 100% clear.  Thank you.
11:16am • #41
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Maybe AR should establish a "Hall of Shame" for those repeat offenders who copy without permission!  Or just kick them out completely.  If you don't or can't write original content, why bother?
11:17am • #42
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I don't think people understand the 'cost' of duplicate content.  It costs going both ways of course, being expensive to the originator who had Google recognition for the material, then costing the 'copier' because now Google will 'Tank' all of it.

Meanwhile, Google will warm up to those snippet links.  

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good info. really seems like common sense to me. but thanks for clarifying.
11:20am • #44
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I was reprinted last week without my permission - and I didn't even know it was a problem until another Active Rainer pointed it out to me. The article I wrote was published in Realty Times, and they were way more upset about it than I was. But they took care of it, so that was cool!
As always, good to know the details. Thanks!!
Jennifer:  Realty Times is VERY protective of their copyright.  I had written permission from an author to publish one of their articles but took it off line when duplicate content became a problem.  Better safe than dumped by Google.

this irks me so much... I spend a lot of time flagging these because I spend a lot of time coming up with original content and I just don't get how people will just cut and paste and act like it doesn't matter.
I also see people who subscribe to services for ghost writers... get real!!
David:  They do it.  Ghost writers are a different matter.  I don't believe that anyone should put their name to something written by another. But, I'm sure it's done.

Lenn thank you for this excellent explanation - loved the diagram at the bottom. I've never seen my stuff reprinted but it's always funny after someone writes on a theme that's featured you see bunches of "similar" posts - coincidence? Always learning something new here - thanks oh wise one! :-) 
Cyndee.  Similar posts don't bother me.  In fact, if some one has some additional input to a post, shucks, write it.  I am often inspired by other posts to write something on the subject because I know that the likelihood of folks reading a comment is slim to none. 



Since it's so easy to copy and paste many people don't think about copyright laws, I know I didn't, but thanks to helpful posts, such as this, I am more aware and on my toes to not break any laws. 

LaShon
Before I use the information I always get permission, very specific permission, from the source before using it on any of my blogs. 99% of my postings is original from me. However, there is also good stuff out there from other authors. As long as they give permission for use on a blog, there should be no legal problem. Also, news releases are used on our association blogs/webpages and these are put out with the intent that they will be published elsewhere. In addition, government documents and releases are not copyrighted.

As I mentioned, nearly everything I put out is original, but once in a while there is some very useful or important information that needs to be given exposure and if it can be done LEGALLY, I see no problem with it. Blantantly stealing someone else's work is a completely different matter.
John:  You are quite correct that you can use a document in a way that the owner give permission.  However, most content owners don't and most users don't ask.

I'm an engineer who does home inspections, so I spend some time reading web pages related to home inspections.  I have read numerous articles on the National Association of Certified Home Inspectors (NACHI) web site that explicitly give their members permission to reprint the articles without credit. 
I'm not a member of NACHI, and I wouldn't reprint anything without giving credit--even if I had permission to do so.   As you might expect, the NACHI articles have been pasted into many blogs on Active Rain--sometimes with attribution, and sometimes without.   Even though this is probably perfectly legal, I find it distasteful.  It is intellectually dishonest to represent someone else's work as your own even if you have permission to do so.  We owe a duty not only to the writer, but to the reader as well; and readers haven't given us permission to misrepresent material as our own, even if the writer has.  (I'm not bashing NACHI here.  Overall, my impression of that organization is positive, but they shouldn't encourage use of their material without credit.) 
David:  You are right that the associations often give permission without realizing the ramifications of duplicate content.  What I see is members publishing content and not attribution or credit. 

Thank you.  This makes it pretty clear.  :)
This post should be added to the AR Community Resources, if it hasn't already.  (I haven't read the comments yet) 

Doreen:  Thanks.  It's really not that complicted.  Another great post Lenn.  Keep at it.  Someday, people will think twice about the cut & paste point run-up.
I snag someone  almost each week either copying anothers blog or just copying material from another source. 
Red flags are a good tool to help AR keep the trash where it belongs.
Rob.  I don't believe the red flags work. 

Quite a few things happened this last week. An AR member used three (maybe more ...who knows ..I only saw three with my own eyes) posts from different AR members and posted on his website. Another literally copied and pasted it into his post....and then says it was a joke.
I tried copyscape and I was on some loan calculator site. Weird.
Celeste:  That is NOT a joke. 

How about people that steal your site design -
Most of these lazy people - still consider themselves as ethical. You know, the white lie syndrome... 
The Harper Team:  Site design is copyright protected. 

I think this should go in the "Newbies" group!
All great points and it is so hard to surf AR when you see this stuff happening.  Couldn't imagine how the original authors feel and the damage it causes!
Renee.  Agreed.  I'm not a member of the "Newbies" group.
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Lenn- got it.  Believe it or not, some of us don't fully comprehend "snippet", so your post makes it 100% clear.  Thank you.
Laurie - Snippets are fine and linking to the original writer's article is the only way to give the author the benefit of their efforts in writing the content in the first place. 

Maybe AR should establish a "Hall of Shame" for those repeat offenders who copy without permission!  Or just kick them out completely.  If you don't or can't write original content, why bother?
Vicki:  I don't think it would happen.  Not great public relations.

I don't think people understand the 'cost' of duplicate content.  It costs going both ways of course, being expensive to the originator who had Google recognition for the material, then costing the 'copier' because now Google will 'Tank' all of it.
Meanwhile, Google will warm up to those snippet links.  
JudyAnn - I hear folks pooh-pooh the duplicate content risk everyday.  They are the same ones who pooh-poohed the warnings about reciprocal links.  Huh huh.

good info. really seems like common sense to me. but thanks for clarifying.
John.  My pleasure. 
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Great post!  One of the things I hate most here on AR are the people that blatantly copy and paste an article from thier local paper with the words "This is great . . . read on" as the only addition to the post.  Just for some blogging points.  If I cite something written by another, I'll simply provide a link to the article, but always try to add something meaningful to the conversation and would NEVER copy an article and paste it into my blog, newsletter, or whatever without permission.  And I always put "used with permission of John Doe" if I do.  On the web it's way too easy to plagerize other's work.

Probably for another post, but the other points grabbing techniques I hate are:  1) comments on my listing saying "looks like a nice house, priced right, good luck" AND 2) Posting a dozen pictures of the same thing.

Thanks for the great post and for contributing to the AR community.

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Tried to email you...did not go through.

Also, do you know about free share picture sites? It says go ahead and download and stuff like that.

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Lenn: This is really good info. I have wondered exactly what to do when another person calls asking to reprint one of my posts, which has happend to me several times. Thanks for helping me understand.
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" I know of a person who has amassed over 12,000 points. And not a single word in any of his posts are his own words. It's all cut and paste."

Leon, We only know about these situations when members write us about them.  We now regularly are in checking flagged posts.  So if you know someone who's got 12,000 points this way then please let us know.

Thank you, 

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Interesting discussion...thanks for posting it Lenn! Seems like there is always something exciting going on in memberland.
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Oops, forgot to rate this....you know what I gave you, right??? 
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Off topic:

Peggy mentioned "rating the post."  I never even noticed that feature before.  However, I'm not sure whether "1" is the highest rating (as in 1st place), or "5" is the highest rating (as in 5 stars).

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Lenn, you are one of the smartest people on the web and I value your opinions.  I'm glad to see "in print" that the use of snippets is ok.  I sometimes want to talk about an article and will use a snippet to get the essence of what I'm talking about then link off to the original article.  I always "assumed" that was ok, glad to hear that is a fair use. Of course, I should know by now what happens when you assume.  But I've seen many blogs that just don't seem that writers style and I wonder... how do you know if it is a duplicate or a copy of someone else's work? Do you search in google ?

 

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Caleb - I'll be flagging one today.  Thks for your support and the support of the entire AR team.
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Oh Interesting.. there is someone I've suspected for a while ... and is amassing lots and lots of points... and when I went to www.copyscape.com to check it said there were already more than 20 searches for that website!  Since this isn't my website, does that mean that others have already been searching for this website? Perhaps for the same reason I was?  I never saw the copyscape message I saw today saying you can only search 20 times for your website or you must buy premium.... hmmmm.
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Lenn-- Plagiarism, Copy and Paste was posted about several times last week.  Sorry, I should have clarified.  Your post was great.  If someone doesn't understand it now, they probably never will. :)  Thanks again for a great post.
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David, think "five star"  the more the better.

Thanks Rob. 

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Lenn, It's very simple for me. Everything ever posted on my blog was written by me. No grey areas.
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thank you for bringing up this important issue.  I personally have spent hours trying to formulate articles and cringe at the thought that someone is just copy/pasting someone elses article and taking credit for it.

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Awesome Quote Scott, can I use It? 

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Lenn,

I flag posts that I see as copyright violations/ cut and paste/ I think We really meed to monitor this for the sake of AR. I have seen folks amass over 40.000 points. Most of their blogs are Realty Times reprints. They are now giving credit to the author. From what you say this does not meet the test.

 Ginger

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Great post!  One of the things I hate most here on AR are the people that blatantly copy and paste an article from thier local paper with the words "This is great . . . read on" as the only addition to the post.  Just for some blogging points.  If I cite something written by another, I'll simply provide a link to the article, but always try to add something meaningful to the conversation and would NEVER copy an article and paste it into my blog, newsletter, or whatever without permission.  And I always put "used with permission of John Doe" if I do.  On the web it's way too easy to plagerize other's work.
Probably for another post, but the other points grabbing techniques I hate are:  1) comments on my listing saying "looks like a nice house, priced right, good luck" AND 2) Posting a dozen pictures of the same thing.
Thanks for the great post and for contributing to the AR community.
John:  Thanks for commenting.  Here's the question.  If the article is on line, why not just a sentence and then LINK to it??  Even WITH permission, it's still benefitting from someone else's content.  I suspect that some folks don't know how that permission benefits only the person using the content and not the writer. 

Tried to email you...did not go through.
Also, do you know about free share picture sites? It says go ahead and download and stuff like that.
Sally: I got your mail and mailed back. 

Lenn: This is really good info. I have wondered exactly what to do when another person calls asking to reprint one of my posts, which has happend to me several times. Thanks for helping me understand.
Janet.  Sadly, I would have to say no.  If they wanted to PRINT AND DISTRIBUTE, I might say yes.  But, to copy content on the Internet, Nope.

" I know of a person who has amassed over 12,000 points. And not a single word in any of his posts are his own words. It's all cut and paste."

Leon, We only know about these situations when members write us about them.  We now regularly are in checking flagged posts.  So if you know someone who's got 12,000 points this way then please let us know.
Thank you,
CALEB - THANKS FOR DROPPING BY.   This is very encouraging news.  I can send you a dozen plagiarized posts.   One is enough.

Interesting discussion...thanks for posting it Lenn! Seems like there is always something exciting going on in memberland.
Neal.  Yep.  We have a very wonderful group of bloggers.  Some folks just need to know the guidelines.  Some, sadly, substitute expediency for hard work. 

Oops, forgot to rate this....you know what I gave you, right??? 
Peggy:  A Gold Star puts a smile on this old face.

Off topic:
Peggy mentioned "rating the post."  I never even noticed that feature before.  However, I'm not sure whether "1" is the highest rating (as in 1st place), or "5" is the highest rating (as in 5 stars). 
David.  Now you've confused me.  I though the "5" was the highest rating.

Caleb - I'll be flagging one today.  Thks for your support and the support of the entire AR team.
Rob -  Thanks for stopping by.

Oh Interesting.. there is someone I've suspected for a while ... and is amassing lots and lots of points... and when I went to http://www.copyscape.com/ to check it said there were already more than 20 searches for that website!  Since this isn't my website, does that mean that others have already been searching for this website? Perhaps for the same reason I was?  I never saw the copyscape message I saw today saying you can only search 20 times for your website or you must buy premium.... hmmmm.
Catherine.  I don't use Copyscape.  I'm sure it's helpful.  However, I'm not interested in tracking small amounts of content.  I'm interested in images.  I've got agents all over sending those violators to me.  I just picked up a check for $5,000 and one for $1,600 from violators.

Lenn-- Plagiarism, Copy and Paste was posted about several times last week.  Sorry, I should have clarified.  Your post was great.  If someone doesn't understand it now, they probably never will. :)  Thanks again for a great post.
Stephanie.  Thanks.  I wasn't necessarily talking about "copy andn paste" as much as "Fair Use".

David, think "five star"  the more the better.
Thanks Rob.
THANKS AGAIN CALEB.  THAT SAYS IT ROB.  I've been giving 5 stars when I think a post is particularly good.  "It's a FIVER".

Lenn, It's very simple for me. Everything ever posted on my blog was written by me. No grey areas.
Bryant.  There you go.  That is such an easy rule to follow.

thank you for bringing up this important issue.  I personally have spent hours trying to formulate articles and cringe at the thought that someone is just copy/pasting someone elses article and taking credit for it.
Scott:  We all feel that way. 
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Lenn, you are one of the smartest people on the web and I value your opinions.  I'm glad to see "in print" that the use of snippets is ok.  I sometimes want to talk about an article and will use a snippet to get the essence of what I'm talking about then link off to the original article.  I always "assumed" that was ok, glad to hear that is a fair use. Of course, I should know by now what happens when you assume.  But I've seen many blogs that just don't seem that writers style and I wonder... how do you know if it is a duplicate or a copy of someone else's work? Do you search in google ?

CATHERINE:  THE LOCATION OF THE PAGE FOR THE COPYRIGHT OFFICE ABOUT "FAIR USE" CAN BE FOUND AT:

http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html

It's a limitation of the copyright act, but not a very significant one. 

 

06/18/2007 by Catherine Myers, CRS, GRI, ABR, SRES, QSC Delete Report as Spam

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Just for grins, search the AR blogs for the string "3 Deadly Mistakes" .

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Thanks Lynn.We've had an issue for 10 days where a moderator flagged 4 of our posts as "plagerism", where they in fact were not, but the moderator did not read what was there before flagging it. A mistake was made and it has been realized, but since then, there has been a continuing folly of tech glitches to overcome and correct it. 

Very much agree with all you write here. Thanks. 

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My goodness!!!!! The posts that you have listed that are identical are from home inspectors. I actually spoke with one of these guys a couple of months ago about this. His explanation was that they all belong to an association that puts out materials for their use. By being members they have permission to reprint it, use it on their web sites and distribute the info. So wouldn't that be all right? 
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Thanks for clearing that all up!
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Hi Lenn

I want to share something that happened to me this morning.  I received an email from a political blogger asking for permission to reprint one of my posts with full credits.   The key points being permission asked and full credits given. 

There is decorum in this world, legal and otherwise, that must be adhered to if we hope to advance to new levels.   There's nothing wrong about building on the ideas of others.  It just has to be done correctly.

Great post.

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Bryant.  I believe it's a mistake for the Home Inspection assn to offer these articles for inclusion on their members' web sites. Reprints in their brochures and reports is one thing, but the Internet is a different world. 

Unless, of course, each member that posts one of these articles uses a "no follow" instruction to the spiders.  Otherwise, it could be trouble. 

 

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Ed.  Thanks for the comment.  However, in my opinion, it's very risky for a site owner to post articles that are also included on other web sites EVEN WITH PERMISSION AND FULL CREDITS. 

IMO, the key points are NOT permission and credit.  That works fine for the print media and hard copy reprints.  The Internet is different. 

I'm not saying it's WRONG to publish articles from other sources with permission and attribution.  I just don't believe it's very smart. 

The dynamics are incompatible.  If you publish with "no follow" tags, you're safe with Google and readers will get the information.  If you publish with spiders crawling, you run serious risks of having the page/site dumped or demoted by Google.  Lots of folks Pooh-Pooh the risk.  I believe that as long as their IS risk, you don't do it.

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Lenn

Thank you.  I don't understand the SEO dynamic enough to properly consider the consequences of certain decisions.  I appreciate the education.  I see now that a blog post is indeed different than an article in the print media. 

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Lenn,

As usual, a commanding explanation of a somewhat complex topic.  Thanks for sharing.

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Thanks Ed.  The Internet is, indeed, different.

Diane.  Thanks.  Simple minded folk like me like simple minded explanations.

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This issue isnt limited to print....

We just had someone today approach us wanting to post some real estate videos taped from a popular local TV show.  I had to explain to them that the property for sale may be theirs but, in this case, the intellectual property isn't. Not so easy to explain to someone that sees TV programs posted to youtube all of the time, but still a necessary conversation

Tony

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Lenn, just stopping by,before bed to say thanks for a great explanation. Didn't we learn this in 4th grade?

I have bookmarked to study later and look up all the links.

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Bryant, I personally have no idea about whether they can reprint (post) as they want.  I THINK I saw a couple people 'claim' it as their own work.

My biggest beef, ,perhaps misguided - is not the fact that someone references (or does not) a link, but moreso just copies and paste's with NO personal input at all.  Not one opinion.  Not even a "WOW , this is great" (as sad as this sounds).

Lenn has the right idea from a legal standpoint.   I'm just annoyed that people are just copying and pasting articles....for the sake of copying and pasting articles...and because they do not care about comments and such, and the wonderful people at AR miss this bullsnot.

I've posted jokes just in the Comedy Group and LOST points....and I say...ok...so be it.  But I have a hard time finding the originator of a joke.

As an AR member, do you have any opinion if I, for example, just posted 10 times a week, a copy and paste of the same article?  And did it each week.  Obviously there is no personal harm.  Just asking your opinion as an AR member.

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Great post. It was definitely something that needs to be read! I am not up on all the copyright stuff. To make sure I don't, I just write about something I read in my own words. It's sometimes good to add a different perspective to the story.

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The only time I have been at all concerned about this, as I write my own material, is with photos. I post my own but, with old historical photos for certain blogs, I have erred on the side of safety and just put links to the site that is hosting the picture.
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Such a easy thing to do. No need to copyright stuff. Be creative and blog. Great post.

 

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Lenn - At this point, to avoid any confusion regarding the legalities of it all, I keep it simple.  I write what's on my mind, in my heart, and stirring around in my soul.  Good or bad, I remain true to myself.  This way I know I'll fly or die on my own merits...not somebody else's.
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This issue isnt limited to print....
We just had someone today approach us wanting to post some real estate videos taped from a popular local TV show.  I had to explain to them that the property for sale may be theirs but, in this case, the intellectual property isn't. Not so easy to explain to someone that sees TV programs posted to youtube all of the time, but still a necessary conversation
Tony:  THAT is a big business, bootlegged movies.  I believe it might account for about 20% of the Chinese GNP.

Lenn, just stopping by,before bed to say thanks for a great explanation. Didn't we learn this in 4th grade?
I have bookmarked to study later and look up all the links.
Thanks Missy.  I recall this info in 5th grade.  But, it was so long ago, time fades.

Lenn has the right idea from a legal standpoint.   I'm just annoyed that people are just copying and pasting articles....for the sake of copying and pasting articles...and because they do not care about comments and such, and the wonderful people at AR miss this bullsnot.
Rob.  They do it BECAUSE THEY CAN.  Once AR starts reading the flagged posts, they should get dumped.

Great post. It was definitely something that needs to be read! I am not up on all the copyright stuff. To make sure I don't, I just write about something I read in my own words. It's sometimes good to add a different perspective to the story.
Christy:  Folks don't have to be up on copyright stuff to know that you don't publish content created by others.  What I tried to get
through here is that you can't publish content of others and get by with attribution. 
Of course, the other issue is bloggers benefitting from the points, links, etc. by using someone else's content.

The only time I have been at all concerned about this, as I write my own material, is with photos. I post my own but, with old historical photos for certain blogs, I have erred on the side of safety and just put links to the site that is hosting the picture.
Steven:  If one is concerned about the public usage of anything, they shouldn't use it.  Links are the way to do it.  Most of those old photos are probably public domain by now, but who knows?

Such a easy thing to do. No need to copyright stuff. Be creative and blog. Great post.
Julio.  You are right.  It's easy.

Lenn
- At this point, to avoid any confusion regarding the legalities of it all, I keep it simple.  I write what's on my mind, in my heart, and stirring around in my soul.  Good or bad, I remain true to myself.  This way I know I'll fly or die on my own merits...not somebody else's.
Jason:  That's the way to do it.  Folks looking for the easy way to points or links are being true to no one.
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Lenn, Thank you, thank you for taking the "TIME" to explain why our posts should be our own thoughts. I love your diagram too. I've recently noticed some newbies doing a lot of the wrong things in their posts. Like some before me, it takes me a couple hours to put together what I consider a good post and it just makes me grind my teeth when I see someone copy and paste. You can bet I hit that red flag when I see it!
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Lenn...I don't know how I missed this! This a very informative post on a very missunderstood topic. I always learn something when I read your posts. Thanks so much.

 

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Lisa.  HIT that red flag.  That's the only way.  Unfortunately, I've hit the red flag for many of these copyright infringements and they are still on line months later.  So, I suspect that the AR folks don't have the time or resources to follow all of the reports.

Minika.  Thanks for stopping by.  I got tired of reading advice from so many that it is O.K. to republish entire copyrighted articles as long as you give the writer and owner of the copyright credit.  Not so.  Hopefully, we'll see less of that now.  Or, will we????

We've got a guy in MD that has copied and pasted entire web pages from tourism copyright protected sites and made the content his post.  It's opportunistic and cynical.  But, nothing we can do about them. 

 

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Quite simply a post or publication of any kind is somebody else's intellectual property.  I don't like to copy and past if for no other reason that it means I cannot come up with my own intellectual property.  Which probably means I have no intellect.  Am I taking this too far?

Besides, when a reader reads my stuff he is getting a glimpse into who I am.  I don't want him getting a glimpse into who somebody else is.  Because when we work together he's going to be surprised.

Thanks, Lenn - how is Maryland today?

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Lenn,
I think all this was in response to my post yesterday "Active Rain Said It Is Plagiarism --But I Got Written Permission".  Well, thanks to you--I finally get.  Hope you will read my post today where I eat my humble pie.

Thank you for educating us in such an easy to understand and professional manner. 

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Chris.  Thanks.  I believe that folks would really be surprised at what they can write if they just try.  Writing is an acquired skill that isn't taught in public schools now.  Students learn how to fill in the Multiple Choice box where the answers are already written - by writers.  Too bad.  When I was in public school, we wrote and wrote and wrote.  Not as much with my children and hardly at all with their children.

CYNTHIA. You are correct that your post was the inspiration for my post.  It's a little understood distinction, but things are really different on the Internet than if it were in print.  You're a good sport and have a very professional view of what happened.

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Just found another irksome post this morning...

do people just think that it is OK to cut and paste someone else's work?? even if it is a paid service that does not mean you can republish... it is for sending to your clients...

and if your clients buy into YOU for CANNED material, then PT Barnum's theory was proven again

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Rob,

If there canned material is permissively posted all we will do is remove points.  We need an option that allows people to not post for points in these cases.

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Wow Lenn, 91 comments! I've been a bit absent for the past week so I guess I missed this round of the plagiarism controversy, but I doubt that I've missed much that I haven't seen before. This is an ongoing problem here and I'm sure will continue to be, but your efforts at bringing it to light are MUCH appreciated! Keep up the good work.
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Thanks Ryan.  The opportunity presented to cover the matter of "reprint vs. publish".

 

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Thanks Caleb.

I THINK I've flagged/posted enough examples.

Again...this is not easy on your end, and I think you 'guys' do a remarkable job.

 

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People argue this all the time.  If I site the source, it's ok.

NOT!

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Christina.  Thanks for commenting. 

I don't know if folks use that lame excuse for copyright infringement as a reflection of wishful thinking or if they are just ignorant of the law or figure that if they say a thing often enough it will come true.

NOT!  indeed. 

Ignorance is not excuse. 

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Very well said. Good point about Reprint vs Republish
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Very enlightening post and comments. I have to say, I personally enjoy writing my articles. I get ideas from many different sources, but I've always assumed the same rules apply here, that applied when I was in school, writing a research paper. You get your information from an encyclopedia and other articles, but you can't use their words or it's considered cheating.
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Thanks for commenting Lisa. 

You are right on the money.  Facts can be found anywhere, but ideas when committed to writing, should be original. 

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2007

Hi Lenn, I just publish a "rant" on plagiarism (it was triggered by a, very blatant, plagiarism. I brought it to the attention of AR and they took care of it). In the process of proving it, I did some research on plagiarism, and (as it was quick) I missed your excellent post.  Here is my post,

Let’s say NO to Plagiarism on Active Rain.

I would appreciate if you could comment on it. Do you think that it would make sense to create a "plagiarism oversight" group on AR? I asked for this post to be featured, but, I was told that there is recently a post on the subject – I am assuming yours. Do you think that my post is relevant and complementary to what you said? Please let me know.

Also, I would like to ask you a question regarding your post. Are you saying that posting link to someone's public post on Internet is plagiarism? I think that intellectual property, once publicized is in public domain. It cannot be copied, but it can be referred to and of course requires proper citation, etc. I would appreciate your comment.

 

4:25pm • #100
JUL
26
2007

WOW!! Lots of information for a new Active Rain member.  I think this should be a requirement for all new members to read.  Thank you for the lesson!!

Ana Molina
11:34am • #101
JUL
30
2007
6 Featured Posts
Lenn - You know your stuff.  Now I understand Carnac! Carnac! Carnac! Thanks for the info, I think you have a lot of knowledge and we can all benefit from it 
10:44am • #102
JUN
18
2008
403,423 Points 72 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Lenn...

I think it's fantastic that this particular post is in the emailed AR Newsletter. It needs to be. As the numbers grow what you have to say can't be said enough :)

TLW...ROAR!

1:53pm • #103
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Hey, what is with this ranking thing... I am unaware of how I can "rate" posts...

This one, if I knew how, would get a high score though...

Another fine post from Lenn Harley...

2:01pm • #104
243,567 Points 2 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Great post - I think this is something the newer members do not realize.   All copying is illegal, but if you are going to copy, at least tell us where the darn article came from!   THanks for the info on the snippets, glad to hear it's legal to lead into another article.

2:07pm • #105
166,780 Points 15 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Snippets are the way to go. After all, you want people who read your blog to know what YOU think about a topic, not to read what someone else thinks. Snip and link. Comment. Write your own take on the topic. Cut and paste doesn't help you, the person who originally wrote the article, or potential prospects.

2:36pm • #106
414,834 Points 59 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog

Lenn:  WOW!  This is a HOT topic, isn't it?!  I've started copyrighting my work b/c there was someone using my articles and posting it as theirs!  I didn't create a stink at all about it but, I was pretty upset b/c it takes me quite awhile to write one and to use mine and re-title it really urks me. 

I have no idea what was going on that someone's post was deleted--missed that one but, thanks for sharing the rules--I'm glad it was featured so that hopefully you'll have a LARGE readership!

Debe in Charlotte

3:02pm • #107

I'm not signed in, but did want to say that as I am reading more and more blogs, I know just today I have seen some pretty obvious cut and paste.....and apparently it will be an ongoing issue.  Thanks once again for the lesson.

Kathy McGraw
3:23pm • #108

I totally agree with Lenn's thought about people that copy/paste or steal other people thoughts. In my case I post a blog or let's say a paste to my blog an email sent by our FAMB President to all Florida Mortgage Brokers not with any intention of  getting any points or steal somebody else words or thoughts but to bring to the AR Realtor community our FAMB President point of view about such a complicated market and situation that we are living nowadays. And here a comment I just got:

There's a new comment on the blog entry D. Ritch Workman, FAMB President's Message

Comment:

Thank you for posting this.  Ritch is my brother and I am very proud of the work he has done for all of us in this industry.  Did you know he is running for the Florida House?  His website is www.RitchWorkman.com.  Again, thanks for getting the word out.

Please follow this link to respond: http://activerain.com/blogsview/492388/D-Ritch-Workman-FAMB

Cesar Martinez
4:16pm • #109

Thanks for all the great info. I am completely new to the whole "blogging" thing. Truthfully I don't really know where to begin. I know many other RE agents have found them useful in driving traffic to their website. I'm still investigating exactly how that works.  I appreciate the tutorial, very much.

Cindy Greenwald
4:19pm • #110
123,432 Points

Thanks, Lenn. I didn't read all the comments above but agree. It seems to me there's some outright plaigiarism all in the interest of accumulating points. Shame on those who do that. The good news is we don't tend to read those blogs anyway; rather we would hope to be entertained with insightful opinions, hopefully about real estate which is the craft we're in! Take care.

 

Paul

5:51pm • #111

You have great info here. Did not know these things. With blogging becoming more and more, it is very good FYI.

sherri Winton
5:54pm • #112

Len, thanks for the info.  Seems like good content for MCE!

Joyce Godwin
6:16pm • #113
JUN
19
2008
Outside Blog

Every once in awhile I will run across a post that I either read before some where elso or is written so good I know it had to be copied.

11:51am • #114
JUN
20
2008
567,787 Points 95 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router

Lenn, this came out in the newsletter this AM so I looked and said, I don't remember this article on snippets, then I read all the comments and about 3/4 way down I see Caleb commenting and think, oh good, Caleb is back. Then I look at the year and go on no it was done in June 2007, not June 2008.

Worth repeating, obviously....

5:28am • #115
JUN
24
2008

Thank you for this very valuable information!

Mona LaCovey RE/MAX Experts Annapolis, Md.
2:19pm • #116
NOV
08
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My comment on this topic is late is coming.  This is two years after the fact, but we are talking about a timeless topic here.  There is no excuse for plagiarism.  There is an accepted format to cite other people's work.  The internet, blogging, whatever the forum, should not change this.  What I have heard, is that there are those who would try to copyright words, with the intention of cashing in on it.  Let's take for example the case of McDonald filing a lawsuit against a company in Singapore, I believe it was, for infringement on its trade name.  The court ruled against McDonald, because it did not believe that there was any evidense of infringement.  The company was selleng some kind of chicken cuisine.  As it relates to the writings of an individual, if it's in the public domain one should be able to cite it without any problem.

8:09pm • #117
NOV
09
832,146 Points 213 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog Hit Router

C. Lloyd.  I look forward to your comment.  That said. , , , ,

Of course, there are perfectly legal ways to "cite" published works.  However, far too many simply "copy and paste" parts or all of published works that are copyright protected property of others without using the legal "fair use" standard.  Their intent is for readers to believe that they are the originators of the content that they stole.

4:39am • #118

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