Although the market I work is NOT a big short-sale market, I'm hearing some pretty scary stories from agents who have taken on these properties...It's just another reason why we need to say "NO!" to Big-Box Bankmarts.  They are playing a lot of games with taxpayer monies and homeowners who are truly in distressed circumstances.  They are large, have connections in Washington that make ....er....regulating them while nigh impossible.  It gets back to the influence peddling and corruption that has deep tenticles in our government.  The only way to fight back is NOT TO USE THESE LENDERS.  The same holds for many of the large banks. They are toying with the public on their own dollar.

Via Bob Hertzog (Summit Home Consultants):

GUESS WHAT?  INDYMAC (NOW ONE WEST BANK) & BOFA  WOULD RATHER FORECLOSE!

For the past several months, we, as agents who have taken on short sale listings, have been able to tell potential clients, "Your lender doesn't want your home back. They would much rather work with you on a short sale".

Well folks, I'm here today to tell you that you should pause before making this assertion.

Fellow CDPE (and AR Member) Sidney Jimenez has written several blogs lately about the strong-arm tactics that lenders have been taking in recent weeks/months.  I would highly recommend you read them here, and you will get an even better idea of what these two particular lenders are doing to homeowners (the same ones that bailed them out with their hard-earned tax dollars).

Case In Point:

I took on a listing in May/2009 for a couple who were going through a divorce, with 3 children.  The husband, after suffering a serious accident, had been unemployed for the past two years, and the wife's income was cut almost in half at her job of 10+ years.  First, they tried to do a Loan Modification.  Up to the point of missing their first payment June 1st, they had exhausted everything they had (savings, 401(k), etc.) in order to keep making their house payments.  Their backs against the wall, going through a divorce, they finally could not make their payment.  Instead of just walking away, they thought they would try to salvage their credit and increase the bottom line to the lender by proceeding with a short sale.

IndyMac was in 1st position with a loan amount of $478,000.00

BofA was in 2nd position with a loan amount of $41,000.00

After 30 days of having it listed on MLS, we received an offer of $275,000.  The BPO came in a week later (ordered by IndyMac) at the purchase price of $275,000.  I found this out yesterday from the "supervisor" at IndyMac.

On the HUD 1, we instructed the Title Company to give BofA $13,000, and the remaining balance to IndyMac (after closing costs and commissions).  So, IndyMac would net $241,000 on the deal (slightly more than half of what was owed).

BofA said they would take the $13,000, but only if my client agreed to pay the remaining deficiency of $28,000 through a promissory note.  Note, in AZ, BofA can obtain a judgement at a later date, as this was a HELOC.

IndyMac, on the other hand, came back with the following:

They would accept the $241,000, but only if my client signed a promissory note for $75,000, payable over 10 years, at 0% interest.  Plus, they would only accept a payment to BofA of $3,000, not $13,000.

Here is the funny part...Well, not funny, but....

Arizona has what is called the Arizona Anti-Deficiency Judgement Statute, which does not allow a lender in 1st position to obtain a judgement for a deficiency on a first mortgage, or a second mortgage if it is "purchase money".  Obviously, the HELOC doesn't fall under this statute, but the 1st mortgage does.  I explained this in detail, on more than one occasion to the IndyMac "supervisor" that this case was escalated to.

After talking to her "VP", this is the response I received today:

Bob,

"I have spoke with upper management and we are not going to wave the promissory note as a condition of the approval.  If the borrower is not willing to sign that then we will proceed with foreclosure.  Thank You".

So, IndyMac now gets the house back, and my client becomes yet another foreclosure statistic.  The home has decreased in value (now worth about $260,000), and will continue to decrease until they finally sell it.  IndyMac still has not filed a Notice of Trustee Sale.  Once they decide to do this, my client will have 3 months to stay in the home until the sale takes place.

So, let's say they file the notice at the end of September (he as until then to respond to their "offer").  That means he gets to stay in the home until January 1st, 2010.

Then, let's say they put the home on the market February 1, 2010 as an REO Listing, and it takes 90 days to market and close the transaction.  

Getting the picture now?  Instead of getting their $1,200/month mortgage payment ($14,400) over the course of the year that they should have been getting, they get NOTHING.  Tack on another $800 per month for general maintenance, taxes, and utilities, and that number now climbs to $24,000.  

On top of all that, the house is worth about $260,000 today.  They will be lucky to get it sold for $240,000 as an REO in February 2010.  

The bottom line is this:

If IndyMac takes the short sale today, they net $241,000

By foreclosing, they are LUCKY to net $200,000

But then again, do you think IndyMac (now One West Bank) or BofA cares? 

Do you think that if they take back enough homes that they will finally learn their lesson?

Heck No!  After all, when they go bankrupt again, they simply have to pick up the phone and call THE MESSIAH for another BAILOUT!

So folks, the purpose of this post....

Before taking on a BofA or IndyMac short sale, THINK AGAIN!  While we all love to help homeowners who are distressed, WE CAN'T WASTE OUR TIME WORKING WITH LENDERS WHO WOULD RATHER FORECLOSE ON HOMES THAN WORK THROUGH THE SHORT SALE PROCESS.

One question to all of the AR Members...AM I THE ONLY ONE EXPERIENCING THIS IN THE LAST 4-6 WEEKS?

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8 Comments on Guess What? IndyMac (now One West Bank) & BofA WOULD RATHER FORECLOSE!

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288,141 Points 2 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Interesting and probably not uncommon.  These banks do not care because the government will/has bailed them out. Boycott the whole industry...go cash!

10:08am • #1
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This is not news to me.....I have seen this. I have a short sale right now where B of A is making it very difficult for us to buy the home. First and second are both with B of A and we are offering $7000 over market and appraisal. And they still want more.

10:11am • #2
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Gary, most people can't go all cash....In any event - working the market with trusted mortgage brokers as well as using smaller banks that seem to be able to actually "get the job done" is the answer when you have  a buyer.  I am heavily discouraging my buyers from going to the big banks because they are PLAYING GAMES. You can play games all you want if you aren't using taxpayer monies...while wrecking havoc with the lives of millions of homeowners.  But I have been sensing a more dangerous game beling played out. 

My main issues have been with "regular loans."  The banks are wrecking havoc with those as well.  In my previous post I mention talking to the higher ups in one such bank and getting precious little except "but we are very well capitalized..." read "we are the ONLY  (or near only) game in town.  These guys are playing for keeps. They may not be the only game YET - but they are doing everything in their power to be just that. Sadly, Americans are very gullible.   When big banks use a big bullhorn the public is drawn in.  This could easily become a massive anti-trust issue if consolidation continues on its present course.  I am concerned.

10:24am • #3
Outside Blog

Hello Ruthmarie,

Thanks for doing your part to spread the word!

Bob

1:50pm • #4
162,639 Points 10 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog

It deserved more commentary than it got.  I'm hoping it will lead people to your blog because you have several excellent posts on the subject.  As you can see in my previous blog, tht I have been seeing the arrogance with respect to "normal transactions."  We don't have the short sales to talk about that you do.

2:44pm • #5
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"We don't have the short sales to talk about that you do"...YET. I'm reading as much as I can about them (like you are, Ruthmarie) because there is no question but that we will be dealing with this with a whole lot more frequency.  Amazing, the insight to be gained on AR.

6:24pm • #6
OCT
06

Funny it takes a smaller non bailed out bank to get the job done.

 

tweedle
10:40am • #7
OCT
25

Heres something i read and made me sick to my stomach regarding indymac/one west bank.

The link to the page is attached at the bottom. something or someone needs to get this company to change their business practices.

When it comes to being inflexible and unresponsive to homeowners in need of a loan modification, IndyMac Bank, which has just been renamed "One West Bank," is legendary.

This is the bank that failed spectacularly in July 2008, was taken over by the FDIC, and ended up costing taxpayers something like $11 billion... give or take... I can't keep track of billions anymore... I've moved on to tracking trillions.  And the new buyers of this fire sale financial institution that's deservedly become the poster child for stupid lending tricks, includes billionaire George Soros.

Soros, along with billionaire Michael Dell and others, agreed to purchase the bank for $20.7 billion.  As of Jan. 31, 2009, IndyMac's assets totaled $23.5 billion and deposits were $6.4 billion, roughly half the cash and assets the bank had at the time of its failure.  The new buyers also got a handy-dandy "loss sharing agreement" from the FDIC, whereby after shouldering the first 20% of any future losses, the FDIC gets stuck with most of the rest.  So, I guess you could say they got a deal.  A sweetheart of a deal... not to put too fine a point on it.

 HERES THE LINK:

http://mandelman.ml-implode.com/2009/09/liberal-billionaire-george-soros%e2%80%a6-major-shareholder-in-indymacone-west-bank/

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