In the first part of this article, I discussed "The Good" Short sales and double closings - the good, the bad, and the ugly - Part 1 things about short sale double closings.  In the second part, I discussed the questionably "Bad" things Short sales and double closings - the good, the bad, and the ugly - Part 2 about these type of transactions.  Well this last article is the really ugly, possibly criminal stuff.  I am not going to re-iterate points I have made in the previous articles. So if you don't understand short sale double closings, then I urge you to go back and re-read the previous articles.

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The ugly -

The short sale double closing transaction can get even juicier.  I've attended multiple meetings, classes, and seminars over the last year or so where the topic of short sales and double closings came up.

The first time I heard anybody questioning them was in an article by a local real estate attorney about 1 ½ years ago.  Then I read about Stewart Title curtailing these transactions.  In Fall 2008 I heard it discussed by our local Orlando Regional Realtor Association's attorney at a broker breakfast.  Then I heard about it at a small group meeting with the Florida Attorney General's office this Spring. In August  I hear about it yet again at the Florida Association of Realtor's convention - both FAR's attorney as well as the State of Florida Division of Real Estate's attorney spent about 30 minutes each discussing the topic.  When the State's enforcing officers start discussing a topic repeatedly that typically means it is only a matter of time before criminal crackdowns begin.

The constant theme I heard from all these people is defrauding either the lender or the borrower as part of the transaction.  Not only is fraud a violation of state law, but it is a violation of federal banking laws and could possibly fall into mail fraud, wire fraud, and RICO.  We are talking major criminal penalties here. It could also result in the lender unwinding the whole short sale transaction and pursuing additional deficiency judgments against the borrowers.

At the FAR convention, the attorneys both stressed on multiple occasions that if the buyer, their Realtor, the title company, or anyone else is trying to convince the lender that the property is worth one amount when they know for a fact that it can immediately sell for higher that this is FRAUD.  Especially if there is a higher offer that is already signed and agreed to behind the scenes and waiting for the closing from seller A to buyer B to happen.  That does not mean that the second buyer C's name, contact information, price, or terms have to be revealed. 

Some so-called gurus will go so far as to instruct you to send the lender low comparable sales or write up a low Broker Price Opinion (BPO) in order to influence the lender.  I've even heard some investor-buyers meeting with BPO agents to influence them about the "terrible" condition of the house. Some people will remove the hot water heater or air-conditioner; some will shake a coke can and spray it on the ceiling to look like a roof leak.  Some people will intentionally borrow a beat up car and wear shabby clothes when they meet the Realtor performing the BPO in order to somehow influence that person into feeling sorry for all the parties involved.  

Certainly I can understand why someone would want to influence the BPO to be a lower price.  And if the buyer was planning on buying the home live in it or keep it as a rental, then I don't see any big problem at all.  But if the investor is trying to convince the BPO Realtor and/or the short saling lender that the property is worth only $150,000 when they know for a fact that they can immediately sell it for $160,000, then that is most likely fraud if they don't disclose their intent.  The fraud is influencing the lender to accept the lower dollar amount via trickery, strategy, or whatever tactics.  This is very similar to some of the tactics that were done in the boom times to convince appraisers to over-inflate the value of the property. Well as the State's attorney said, the mortgage fraud law works both ways - on both over-inflated values and under-inflated values.

So here is my advice from everything I have heard, read, or discussed thus far. If an investor wants to do these short sale double closings then they either (1) need to stay far far away from the valuation and BPO process by the lender, or (2) they need to disclose in writing exactly what they are doing. This includes sending the lender a copy of the second contract (even if the C buyer's name and contact info is crossed out).

Since most investors don't want to do #2 (obviously), then stick with #1. Because if you are doing everything in your power to influence the lender that the property is worth a low value and you know for a fact that you can immediately re-sell it for more, YOU ARE COMMITTING FRAUD plain and simple.  I am not going to sugarcoat it. Do not attempt to influence the lender as to the property's value on a short sale double closing.  Let the lender come up with the value on their own and let the chips fall where they may.

Here is a link to the federal criminal code.  In particular check out sections 1006, 1011, 1012, and 1014.  The State attorneys at the FAR convention said that these laws are written liberally for a reason. And remember that nearly all 1st mortgage loans right now are either regulated by, insured by, or owned by the federal government (i.e. Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, VA, FHA, USDA, FDIC, etc.).

In fact I am not quite sure how attempting to buy a property gives you the right to negotiate a short sale agreement between 3rd parties - the borrower and lender are 3rd parties.  As far as I know in all 50 states, only attorneys are allowed to negotiate contracts and agreements between 3rd parties.  However there are typically 3 exceptions to this law - real estate brokers, mortgage brokers, and certain governmental or non-profit agencies. 

Florida Statute 475.01 provides what constitutes acting as a real estate broker. 

Florida Statue 494.001 and 494.00296 provide the law regarding mortgage brokers.

And obviously a real estate investor is not a government agency or a non-profit entity. 

In Florida practicing law without a license is a 3rd degree felony. Some investors/buyers will argue that the owner gave them "written permission" to negotiate on their behalf.  Sorry, that bird won't fly.  An owner cannot sign a paper and make you a licensed attorney.  Just like an owner cannot sign a document allowing some unlicensed person to install a roof on their house.  Because if that was the case, then every wannabe attorney in town would simply have their clients sign a power of attorney or land trust document and thus avoid the hassle and expense of going to 3 years of law school and passing the bar exam. Duh!

I was still a little skeptical about all this actually being true fraud because I couldn't find anyone who had come flat out and put all this in writing.  But then I found this memo from Fannie Mae in July 2009.

If you notice on the Fannie Mae website, they don't talk about disclosure at all.  The title of their article is simply "Mortgage Fraud News: July 2009."  The whole article discusses how title companies and lenders can detect and avoid a short sale double closing. Read that any way you want. Again, this article is on Fannie Mae's website.

Now that I have scared the hell out of you, I want to make two upbeat and positive points on short sales and double closings. 

(1) In September 2009, Florida's largest title insurer The Fund issued a much more liberal"clarification" memo on this topic. Fund short sale memo. The Fund is not requiring that the "true sales price/value" be disclosed to the short saling lender, but they are requiring that the "right to sell for a profit" be disclosed in the contract paperwork.  However they are also requiring that "no misrepresentations as to the value or ownership of the property" which again goes back to influencing the lender. 

(2) Secondly the Fannie Mae memo does not mention an out and out ban on short sale double closings. If it did then lenders, Fannie, Freddie, and a few others would simply not allow a re-sale the property within 30 days or whatever timeframe after the A to B closing.  I do see some lenders like Countrywide/Bank of America actually stating this in their closing instruction letters. 

Lastly, I have been asked several times by sellers, Realtors, and investors, about doing A to B to A transactions.  Basically doing the short sale and then immediately re-conveying or renting the property back to the original owner or a family member at a discounted price.  I won't even go there.  Lenders make all parties sign an "Arm's Length Affidavit" at the closing.  They know about this type of nonsense.  So, enough said about it.  Don't do it!

My point in writing this whole series is not to bash any gurus or scare any investor/buyers out of the marketplace.  However before you take anyone else's word on doing short sale double closings or any other "creative" technique, you need to make absolutely sure that you are comfortable with what you are doing.  Just because a guru or their attorney claims that their way of doing things is perfectly legal doesn't make it so.  Plenty of attorneys, real estate brokers, mortgage brokers, and so-called investors have been prosecuted over the years for just about anything you could imagine.  In fact just Googling the words "short sale double closing fraud" brings up over 1 Million results. 

The good news is that I have yet to hear or read about anyone being prosecuted for any of this.  Follow the Fannie Mae memo and the Fund memo to the letter and you should be doing just fine. At least until they change the rules again.

I've said it before, and I will say it again.  The whole real estate and mortgage industry is under a giant microscope right now and will be for quite a while into the future.  Be very careful where you tread. 

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36 Comments on Short sales and double closings – the good, the bad, and the ugly – Part 3

OCT
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I've heard of way to many schemes and scams in this market around short sales.  Having just closed one today I can't imagine how agents and their buyers are pulling these off.  Everytime I do one the lender puts us through the wringer on values and "arms length" transactions.  I'm a notary and couldn't even verify my clients signature on a form!

4:58pm • #1
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Way to pull it all together Rob.  You put a lot of work in this and it should help AR members to be able to spot "perps".

I have received a number of phone calls from folks who wanted to short sale their property to a family member etc.. . . . . .  well, you know.

 

5:01pm • #2
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good stuff. it looks like it took a lot of work.

thanks for the effort.

sometimes we're just better off to walk away just because it doesn't feel right.

that way we get to live and play another day.

to quote richie havens

freedom! freedom!

5:41pm • #3
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Rob - Yours is exactly the article, including references, that I needed  to forward to one of my sellers.  Thank you!

5:47pm • #4
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Rob - This was a great series on what I believe IS criminal activity in the marketplace. I'm sure it took a lot of time and effort and I appreciated reading them.

We're seeing a lot of this stuff in Northern Nevada but I had not heard of the shenanigans of coke on the ceiling or anything else you described.

I am literally speechless.

5:49pm • #5

Wow Rob.  I have not yet done a short sale. I did just close on 2 listings one came with $35,000 to the table because they could and the other was $24,000 in arrears but the house was worth much more than they owed.  What goes on is unbelievable.

6:02pm • #6

Hi Rob:

I am not an attorney so everything I am writing below must not be taken as legal advice or as a legal opinion.

I read all 3 of your short sale double closing posts and overall I thought they were excellent.  However, I have a problem with the following statement:

"Certainly I can understand why someone would want to influence the BPO to be a lower price. And if the buyer was planning on buying the home live in it or keep it as a rental, then I don't see any big problem at all. But if the investor is trying to convince the BPO Realtor and/or the short saling lender that the property is worth only $150,000 when they know for a fact that they can immediately sell it for $160,000, then that is most likely fraud if they don't disclose their intent."

The problem I have is that influencing the BPO value is either fraud or it isn't.  It does not matter whether the buyer is planning to keep the property (i.e. owner occupant or rental investment) or flip it.  The only thing the flip does is show concretely that the property was indeed worth more than than it was purchased for when compared to the keeper situation.  To put it another way, if I buy a used riding mower on Craigslist and offer the seller quick cash and they take it and then I immediately re-list the mower on Craigslist for $200 more than I paid for the mower, is that fraud?

My view of influencing the BPO is that as long as I am not misrepresenting the information I provide it is OK.  For example, when I buy anything I am going to point out the flaws, short comings, etc.  When I sell I am going to point out all the great features.  I believe that good real estate brokers do this every day when they represent buyers who are later sellers of the same property.  It is the job of every salesperson.  How this applies to real estate is that when I try to influence the BPO agent I select the sale comparables that best support my position, provide market statistics that best support my position and point out the work that the property needs.  In no case do I falsify any information, or advocate using "special effects" (i.e. the soda can thing you mentioned) to make the property look worse.  As far as I am concerned if the information is accurate then it is OK.  If this was fraud then every lawyer in America needs to go to jail for fraud.  After all, don't they take opposing stands in court and select the facts which best support their case?  Only one side will win the case, so is the losing attorney guilty of fraud?

When it comes to short sale double closings there should be no problem if you do the following:

  • Disclose your status as an investor who intends to resell the property and that the resale may be shortly or even immediately after your purchase.
  • Take title to the property in the "A to B" transaction using your own money.
  • Disclose your role in the transaction to the end buyer "C".
Even after following the above you still have the problem of quickly selling the property for more than you paid.  So, the issue is how can that not be fraud?  The answer is that when you are buying a short sale you are buying a property that cannot be readily conveyed in the open market like the "sale comparables", therefore, it is not actually comparable to those properties.  The short sale property, is in fact, worth less than the sale comparables due to the financial issues surrounding the property which preclude a normal sale.  Therefore, you can indeed buy the property for $100,000 and resell it for $120,000 the very same day without committing fraud since the circumstances surrounding the property when you bought it are different from when you sold it.  In short, the investor worked to get the excessive debt removed and is now able to sell a property that is free of that problem.  Thus, the property is worth more.

The fact is that "beating up a property" and using market data that best supports your buying position is as old as selling real estate.  It is part of the normal process of investing in real estate and it always has been that way - and always will.

Sincerely,
Jim McCormack

 

6:29pm • #7
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Rob...

After reading Jim's comment I am speechless. Two sets of valuations for the same entity acting as both buyer and seller???

7:40pm • #8
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I wrote about this myself a little over a month ago and found this worthy of a re-blog!  I like this stuff on my blog because it keeps these "investors" away.  I don't have time to field their calls.

I do BPOs and I personally want to thank you about writing about influencing the agent who does them!

7:56pm • #9
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Very good series!  What a tangled web we weave!  But I don't see much difference with the banks NOT allowing a short sale to happen, not approving the short . . . only to have the property foreclose to them so they can put it up on the market, and sell if for more then the previous owner could have under a short sale agreement.

8:07pm • #10
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Rob, great stuff, I've bookmarked it for a later read, and your other posts also. Desperate times!

8:18pm • #11
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I feel its fraud too based on the fact you convince of a lower price and then sell it for higher.  But I am pretty sure a lot of people are still doing it and they feel its legit.

8:33pm • #12
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I have never heard of a double short sale closing happening here.    Though now that I read about it I wonder if my client was going to be involved in one last year.

8:51pm • #13
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This double closing process to be out and out fraud for the majority of cases and  I refuse to engage ANYONE who promotes double closings in this manner. Great post!!! I wish the people who are trying to do these things would read this.

9:25pm • #14
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Hi Rob -- It is amazing the lengths people will go to in order to commit fraud and risk their futures.

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Rob, this is an excellent post. Thanks for the research and references.

10:23pm • #16

Double closings are not illegal and certainly not immoral. What is immoral is the nonsense banks put people through during the short-sale process. Regarding the "influencing of BPO agents": Influencing people to help them make a decision that is favorable to another party is the essence of the business of real estate; as long as facts are not misrepresented, how can there be fraud? 

As far as I'm concerned, as long as an investor's offer comes in within the parameters of a lender's requirements -- and the buyer doesn't do anything illegal to influence a BPO -- then that same buyer should be able to sell their new asset for whatever they can get, whenever they can get it. It'd called good business. 

And how on earth are the sellers harmed? They are helped by the short-sale process. They are the ones getting off scott-free.

Aaron
11:26pm • #17
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Double closings are not illegal and certainly not immoral. What is immoral is the nonsense banks put people through during the short-sale process. Regarding the "influencing of BPO agents": Influencing people to help them make a decision that is favorable to another party is the essence of the business of real estate; as long as facts are not misrepresented, how can there be fraud? 

As far as I'm concerned, as long as an investor's offer comes in within the parameters of a lender's requirements -- and the buyer doesn't do anything illegal to influence a BPO -- then that same buyer should be able to sell their new asset for whatever they can get, whenever they can get it. It's called good business. 

And how on earth are the sellers harmed? They are helped by the short-sale process. They are the ones getting off scott-free.

11:27pm • #18

Where there are distressed situations there are always people that take advantage of the situation.

11:36pm • #19
OCT
02
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Having several short sale listings, I receive offers almost in a daily basis by amateur investors where they want me to give them control of my listing, negotiate the short sales directly with the bank and allow them to continue market the property so they can sell it for a higher amount. .and if they can't find a buyer willing to pay more. . they simply walk away.

and my client and I are left to begin the process again. . unless the bank loses patience  and accelerates the foreclosure proceeding. . 

Yep, I will allow my clients to accept such a deal. . when pigs fly!

4:11am • #20
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Rob,

Go ahead: Bash those guru's. You have my permission.

The lenders are wising up and we should expect more to procedurally resist loaning on the second half of such "double closings".  As soon as they all do that, this fraudulent practice will cease.  Hasten the day!

4:25am • #21
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I just say NO.

My title company in Ann Arbor says NO.

I will not participate in anyway. Interesting some of the Short Sale Experts haven't commented here yet.

I hope they do, I would like to see what their opinion is on this.

7:13am • #22
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You're a Florida guy, and these also seem to be super popular in Georgia. But, like Missy states, most title companies want to steer clear of these transactions.

9:59am • #23
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Rob, You did a fantastic, thorough job on this article.  Thanks for the excellent information. I am bookmarking this so I can use it in the future.  Have a great weekend!

10:47am • #24
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This series of articles is wonderful. Your last paragraph from this post says it best: Beware!

10:48am • #25
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Hi Rob,  Wow, terrific review of this dark side of the short sale market.  Surely the lawsuits will follow.

11:02am • #26
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I have completed several of these "evil" double closings and I can tell you there has not been a problem.  The reason is that I fully disclose exactly what I intend to do.  I tell the seller right up front that the sales contract gives me an option to walk away if I cannot find an end buyer.  The seller, his listing agent (if there is one) or his attorney can either agree to this procedure or tell me to go away.  I make absolutely sure everyone knows exactly what is going on.  I insisit the seller sign not only an option contract, but a memorandum of understanding that goes down point by point exactly what I intend to do. There is no confusion, I will only buy the property if I can get a short sale approval and I find a buyer to buy the property from me.  Everyone knows I intend to flip the property.

As far as influencing the BPO, there is nothing wrong with that.  I am not making any false statments or artificially lowering its value.  The comment from Jim McCormack (comment 7) lays it out perfectly.  In fact, when I meet BPO agent, I give them a copy of the contract.  When I submit the short sale package to the lender, I supply a copy of the option contract.  When I enter into the contract with the end buyer, the contract gives me the option to walk away if I cannot get a short sale approval that is satisfactory to me.  The end buyer can agree to this or refuse to buy the property from me.  In sum, everyone knows I am flipping the property.  That includes the seller, the short sale lender, the BPO agent, the end buyer and the end buyer's lender (if there is one).  Where is the fraud?  If everyone knows exactly what I am doing and how I am doing it, where is the harm?

 

Paul Warkow

2:12pm • #27
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GREAT POST good JOB!!!! definately reblogging

2:14pm • #28
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James - The only difference with your Craigslist lawnmower analogy is that there are specific federal laws in place that discuss influencing the lender and the appraisal. I referenced those sections of the federal banking laws in article 3. The federal government doesn't care if you influence the lawnmower sales price, but they care greatly about you influencing the appraisal / BPO.  I agree that with full disclosure to all parties that there should not be a problem.  The Fannie Mae memo and Fund memo appear to indicate that as well. The key is disclosure.  But you can't have it both ways.  You can't be telling the lender it is worth $150K when you know it is worth $160K.  If you stay out of the appraisal process, you should be OK as long as you don't do some other deceitful thing.  Criminal defense is different - the 5th amendment of the Constitution has specific prohibitions about self-incrimination, right to attorney, state has to prove its case, etc. 

2:45pm • #29
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Carla - The banks that jerk us around so much are jackasses. What more can I say?

Aaron - Read the federal statutes I referenced.  It is a serious crime to fraudulently influence the value on a federally backed mortgage transaction.  Double closings are not illegal if done with full disclosure and without commiting loan fraud in the process. Sellers are harmed only if the short saling lender comes back and renegs the transaction after the fact.  If the lender claims fraud, the seller is the one who gets screwed yet again.

Paul - If you read through all 3 of my articles, you will see that disclosure and avoiding all this funny business is the key.  Meeting the BPO agent and handing them a copy of the contract or option is one thing.  It is a totally different thing to also hand them a stack of lowball comps and tell them that we have been trying to sell this place for 6 months and the best we could do is $150,000 when you know that the true best you could do is $160,000.  Just don't even hint at anything untruthful. 

 

2:55pm • #30

From an agent's perspective, the problem with a double closing is if the agent is also the buyer/investor OR turns over the entire transaction to the buyer/investor to negotiate with the lien holder(s) on behalf of the agent's client (the seller). Not all states have agency, but in states that do (like Michigan where I'm at) I don't see how we would be working on behalf of our seller client to turn over the negotiating to the buyer. Listing agents need to remember who they work for- and that's not the bank or the buyer. Listing agents work for the seller and are supposed to look out for the sellers' best interests.

4:39pm • #31
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Rob...

I'm troubled by some of what I've been reading as I romp around the Rain.

I'm so glad you posted this. No matter how the truth gets twisted, fraud is FRAUD.

A RE license is not worth a few thousand dollars. Especially, for those who are in this business for the long haul.

TLW...ROAR!

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Good info Rob. This stuff is really not complicated. If you have to hide something from the lender to get the deal done then chances are pretty darn good it's fraud.

4:58pm • #33
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I just stay away from the folks who want to do this with my short sales even when they say all will be disclosed to everyone involved.

Should something not be dislosed it would be my butt who takes the hit as I have the RE license.

9:09pm • #34
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03
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There are a lot of crazy things happening out there right now.  I think I'm most comfortable not involved in the double closings at this point.  I need to do a whole lot more research before then.

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I am well educated on short sale and foreclosure flips before short sales were popular. As I stated before, I wanted to wait till you were done so I can comment and then tell you how to use this scenario without the investor.

First Off, Jim McCormack (comment #7) was absolutely correct. The lender is not party to the purchase contract and when they are trying to evaluate the value of the property, it is perfectly fine for me to show them the low comps. At that time, it is the BPO's job as to whether or not the BPO agent wants to use them. That's why I disagree with comments like:

"Because if you are doing everything in your power to influence the lender that the property is worth a low value and you know for a fact that you can immediately re-sell it for more, YOU ARE COMMITTING FRAUD plain and simple."

I've done BPOs where I have to meet someone because there is no lockbox or they meet me anyway. They give me their comps and I see if they are something I can or should use. If you look at a BPO form (you can download Fannie Mae from online) it does ask the BPO agent the low comps, mid comps and high comps and value if fixed up. It also asked if distressed properties were used and current market conditions. The bank is fully aware of what is going on and they will need to decide if they are willing to net what is on the HUD based on the values of the BPO. The lenders are not parties to the contract and they are not entitled to other offers, even if higher offers exists! Now that is both plain and simple and not fraud!

In regards to your response to Jim: "The federal government doesn't care if you influence the lawnmower sales price, but they care greatly about you influencing the appraisal / BPO."  You'll have to define "influencing". Giving actual low comps is not influencing (as stated above). Giving the BPO incentive, whether it be money or promises of future business, is influencing in my opinion.

Like I said, I was an investor before being licensed. I took the investor approach to short sales and applied it to the real estate agent approach and made my own system. OK...as promised, the new way of short sale flipping without the investor!:

You take a short sale listing. You list it at the high end of the comps and do a systematic price drop. You take the strongest buyer who was willing to pay the most for the property and have them re-write the purchase contract to a value in which you know you can pull off. For example an all cash buyer willing to pay 400k on a house which you know you can get for 360k. You have the buyer re-write the offer to 360k and negotiate from there with the bank. This allows and does the following:

1. Keeps the buyer in place. Usually the buyer leaves if they can find something better. Give them the better deal.

2. If expenses, such as deliquent HOA dues, reduced commissions, extra funds needed for 2nd lien holder, etc. come to play, then the buyer will be more than happy to pay for those expenses.

3. It protects against a declining market. So if it takes 4 months to negotiate a short sale and now the property is worth 380k, your buyer is still happy with the purchase.

4. The buyer will be more than happy to buy personal items and fixtures from the seller, which gives the seller some money legally to move.

There are more points, but these are the basics. So now you are doing the same thing the investor was doing, but to the seller's benefit. Also, investors in short sale flips do NOTHING to earn money. They use other people's money (called flash cash) or no money to do this deal while profiting. They also use the real estate agent's time and skill to find both the seller and the end buyer. I mean, what a time to be an investor and have these idiot agents make you rich!

Thanks for the blog.

 

 

 

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My thoughts on the real estate industry, real estate investing, rental properties, mortgages, listing houses in the MLS, government and legislative issues affecting real estate brokers and investors. Serving metro Orlando & most of Florida.

Rob Arnold - ABR, CPL, CRB, CSP, GRI - Managing real estate broker, Notary Public














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