Freedom of Speech is not the same as Freedom of the Press

This isn't an information war. This isn't a blog war. This is a freedom of speech issue. How much micro-management of your virtual tongue do you want to give away to any entity you have no say or control over? That entity may have governmental duties to regulate advertising (which is very cool and I have no problem with that) but how far should one have to go just to have a simple conversation about what one personally likes and dislikes without incurring what has the potential of being very expensive arbitrary and capricious fines?  

What triggers a FTC blog audit?Your competition b*tching about you? A disgruntled employee or independent contractor you let go? An enemy trolling for litigation? The guy across the street with the crappy restaurant you don't eat at and never mention in Localism? The jerk you kicked out of your ActiveRain group? Do you have the tiniest inkling of just how dangerous this document hypothetically may be? Where is the mechanism to fine the liar who makes a bogus complaint against your blog? Will there be damages imposed upon a naughty consumer in proportion to the fines advertised for bloggers or the hypothetical misconduct and/or malfeasance of a negligent investigator possibly overworked and underpaid who rubber stamps and imposes a writer's potential fines because bloggers have no idea what all of their material connections may or may not be to a business?

When I wrote this post I said what I wanted to say. The goal was to get you to look beyond the rant and read the document. Some of you didn't get it so I shall write seriously in the hopes that you will take the time to read the document for yourself. When something is important you should read the entire document for yourself. You should place it into the context of your life and try to figure out how it affects you and your blogging habits. I can only answer for my own actions, just as you can only answer for yours. We all have different reasons why we blog. We all have moments in life that inspire us to share our thoughts on a particular subject. Are you ready to go back and audit your own blog and edit yourself?

YOU should try to understand this document, not waste a single moment of your time trying to argue with or understand me. The post is about the document. Do not make the post about me. You are doing yourself a huge disservice if you do and you are missing your moment to get involved because you think this will all work itself out in the end. Well it wont if bloggers don't open their virtual mouths and ask the pertinent questions that need to be asked. 

I got quite a virtual earful about "Freedom of the Press" and how some of you are misinformed about a Constitutional protection you as a blogger do not have. Your e-mails have inspired me to point out a fact that needs to be stated quite emphatically: Freedom of Speech and Freedom of the Press are two very distinct and different things. For example: 

Here is a priceless 3 page PDF you need to read: http://www.freedomhouse.org/uploads/FOP2009_UnitedStates.pdf It provides some extremely important background information that you, as a writer, really need to know because knowledge is power. It helps you protect yourself.

"The First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." Findlaw has great links you need to explore here regarding this subject. Notice how the freedom of speech has a comma that separates it from or of the press? If you bother to check case law you'll notice the two diverge in very interesting rulings... they are not the same exact thing.

"Freedom of the Press consists of Constitutional or Statutory protections pertaining to the Media and published materials." In this case the media is the Mass Media. "The Universal Declaration of Human Rights states: "Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference, and impart information and ideas through any media regardless of frontiers." You can read the full Wikipedia article here.

"Freedom of Speech" is the freedom to speak freely without censorship or limitation. The synonymous term freedom of expression is sometimes used to indicate not only freedom of verbal speech but any act of seeking, receiving and imparting information or ideas, regardless of the medium used. In practice, the right to freedom of speech is not absolute in any country and the right is commonly subject to limitations, such as on "hate speech." Wikipedia also reports that "the right to freedom of speech is recognized as a human right under Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and recognized in international human rights law in the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR)." You can read the full Wikipedia article here.

 

 
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107 Comments on Wordy C: Freedom of Speech is not the same as Freedom of the Press

OCT
07
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C- I read the FTC paper.  I sent you the speech because I was not sure if you were predicting infringment on free speech.

I understand the FTC law,or at least I think I do.  It is to curbe outrageous and unfounded claims.  I beleive some of it may have come about after the deaths associated with a diet drug being advertised on the web.

9:58pm • #1
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Oh my!  I will have to explore your links and research all this crap!

10:04pm • #2
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Bonnie, I believe a number of tragic events have triggered this and I understand the need to protect the consumer. I am hoping as they revise this they tighten the language in such a way that it also protects the bloggers as well. The FTC takes each case on an individual basis. What if you are right but express yourself in a context they feel is wrong or you can't prove a hypothetical complainant's claim is bogus? People are assuming it covers the outrageous behavior, but small behaviors can potentially trigger an $11K fine.

10:07pm • #3
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OK - I'm heading over to read it now.... I'll be back.

10:07pm • #4
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C- I don't disagree with you.  Many laws are passed that are unenforceable.  The first test of the law will be a court case.

10:11pm • #5
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Hmmm . . . this is just the first step to take away the Internet's freedom.  "Net Neutrality" and the Internets regulation has begun.  Can we say "1984" boys and girls??  I knew you could!! 

10:13pm • #6
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do you have a web cam on your computer? Big Brother could be close than you realize.

10:14pm • #7
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Ann, I am sitting here with a couple of friends and we're having a very interesting discussion because my girlfriends are taking the document literally and not reading into it like I did. We all approach life from a point of our experiences. I used to be an investigator for a mayoral agency and having done investigations for the government I can assure you the potential is there to nail bloggers who are unaware of this document and the direction it appears to be going as they seek to finalize the rules December 1, 2009.

Patricia wrote a great post about her close personal friend pouring her a glass of wine while she waited for her food. I found myself thinking I know chefs, have chef in the family, eat at their homes while hanging out. If I go to their restaurant or chat about eating there in my blog do I have to disclose I eat at their home because we are friends and/or relatives? Will I have to disclose all of my personal relationships to be safe? Christmas gifts are customary pleasures. Will they be misconstrued as something else? I have concerns about that. I also give great birthday gifts... Hmm...

10:14pm • #8
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This is very interesting... Will have to readu up on this one.. Will be following to see what others have to say....

10:14pm • #9
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Georgina, looking forward to yor input. I am looking forward to hearing from all of you. :-)

10:16pm • #11
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C- I think the blog police are going to be more concerned with specific products and services you recommend if you receive a benefit and do not disclose it in the blog.  It's the same as we have with regard to a monetary interest in referring a real estate service if we are compensated for it.

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I believe a number of tragic events have triggered this and I understand the need to protect the consumer.

C - Sometimes there isn't enough laws to protect stupidity.  That's when they make more laws.  Next thing you know the laws are completely ridiculous.  You're exactly right!  Small behaviors will trigger an $11,000 or greater fine. 

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One example they used was rating a video game but not disclosing you had received the game for free from the manufacturer

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Bonnie, the sad thing about the potential court cases are the expenses involved to defend against being fined. One would be stressed to exhaust all of their administrative remedies before even getting to court. It may not be necessary for some but for the ones who have to spendmoney not to pay a potential fine, they are already out of pocket ad negatively impacted if the complaint is not resolved in their favor. What of the people who don't have the money to pay for the help they may need to answer and fight?

10:20pm • #15
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Carla, I am leaning more and more towards net neutrality. Then I find myself thinking I do not want to give the USA Internet to the U.N. (LOL).

Bonnie, every time I turn on my laptop I disable the webcam (LOL). I sometimes even put a piece of electrical tape over the camera lends (LMAO). Too much TV, eh? ;-)

10:23pm • #16
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C.,

I am going to have to get my lawyers to get with their lawyers and then they will get back to my people and I will have them get back to your people......lol.....

10:23pm • #17
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My eyes ae glazing over....I can't get past the fat lady losing all that weight.  Wouldn't it be easier to just teach kids in school that advertising isn't always truthful?  HELLO - does anyone believe everything they see in ads, or on TV?   I can hardly wait for the new and improved Extenz ads!

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Roland, my e-mail was so off the hook I had to write this and invite you guys to have a conversation. Sometimes it's best if I don'tanswer people in private (LOL).

Georgia, by the time I got to page 50 I was wondering if I needed a caffeine shot (LOL). Then the banter started with my girlfriends and the more we played devil's advocate the more we started to realize as drafted this could be weaponized by the right virtual nay-sayer looking to make a cottage industry of shutting down the competition. If they (the FTC) contact you you have have to answer them in  timely manner, which will always trigger stress and anger because a lot of people are not doing anything wrong and a few may not even realized they may not be able to do the small things that they used to or what they currently do without disclosing the material connection some never knew was a material connection.  

10:29pm • #19
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Georgina, Extenz now that's funny.  What about the his and her gels?

10:29pm • #20
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David, the stupidity factor always makes life interesting, eh? (LOL)
10:30pm • #21
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So if Jimmy Johnson doesn't really shop at Lowes, I'm devastated and will never go there again!  How ridiculous.  Do those race car drivers have to print disclaimers all over their clothing?

10:34pm • #22
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Bonnie, that is very understandable, especially with the tie-in issues we have to avoid in Real Estate. Some of it is great while other aspects I find myself going that's kinda vague and can include a host of stuff to trigger a fine.

LOL @ Julie. I am currently making my attorney girlfriends really crazy. That's what they get for tutoring me (LOL). I am sure there will be retaliation tomorrow for keeping them up so late. Just imagining the homework is making me smile (LMAO). ;-)

10:35pm • #23
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LOL @ Georgia. Now there's a very interesting thought (LOL).

10:36pm • #24

looks like i have some reading to do tomorrow, 

10:37pm • #25
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Crystal, take your time. I may have to read this a few time to get all my scenarios correct (LOL).
10:39pm • #26
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You know, if that tweep who told me about Orthowhite tooth whitening products had disclaimed that he was just a paid moron, and that Orthowhite was going to rip me off, and attempt to rip me off repeatedly, I probably wouldn't have taken the bait.  But then I wouldn't have had the pleasure of blogging about what a rip-off it was.  I'm sure not going to sue anyone's ass over it though.

10:39pm • #27
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I carefully read your post. And I read the 3-page document. I scanned the 81-page document; I just don't have time to read all 81 pages. (Besides, it'd put me to sleep.)

  • I found the Freedom House document to be rambling and didn't tie it's points together.
  • I am aware of the controversy between law enforcement officials and journalist. I am pulled sympathetic to both sides.
  • I am also aware that we, in these United States, have an unusual freedom that many people in other countries don't have. For that I am grateful.

I am also aware of "hate speech." Personally, I think it's done by irresponsible fear mongers. I believe that all this "hate free speech" is done by media personalities just to make money and they don't give a hoot about the fear they're causing. What is everyone so afraid of, anyway? The sun will still come up tomorrow morning, if the health bill is past, if you neighbor isn't foreclosed on.

Let's open the windows and let the fresh air in. It won't kill us!

10:45pm • #28
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I can't take it anymore!  Thanks for bringing this up.  Just what we need, more government rules and red tape, and more jobs for bureucrats (spell checker didn't work).

10:47pm • #29
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Ok, I think I've read something different than all the other posters here. What am I missing in this?

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Georgina, I have been disappointed after reading an opinion and deciding what someone thought was such a great product was not great and actually whomps, so I understand your position. The FTC may possibly see your experience as what if 1,000 people paid for it and it whomped for each hypothetical purchaser... I get what they do and support the premise but not the catch-all wording that makes it possible to hypothetically play whack-a-mole-blog-fines with anyone.
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we have become retainers ...and insurance  junkies...to protect us from ourselves.  Crap ,I am compelled have to read this.

10:51pm • #32
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 My fear is that every time we take a loss of freedom, for whatever positive reason, then someone takes it too far. This will probably turn into an excuse for a lawsuit. I do think it will end up at the Supreme Court and hopefully they will realize that people still have freedom of speech.

10:51pm • #33
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Marianne, some hate speech is simply a dissenting opinion while other hate speech is all that and a bag of chips (LOL).

The fun thing about blogging is engaging in interesting dialog on a daily basis. Being social encompasses so many facets. We may market ourselves and our businesses but we also cultivate relationships and may not realize what relationship results in a material connection. If you don't know I called a third party and told them I recommend your services then later brag about what a good job you did for my friend, will that trigger a blog audit if your competitor files a complaint and says you blogged about my artwork and didn't disclose I sent you a buyer? Does it look like quid pro quo? If you deny it because you never knew and I confirm it because I thought my friend told you I sent them to you, now what? Every Realtor doesn't ask for a referral fee you know. Sometimes friends do friends a kindness simply because we trust we are putting our loved ones in good hands (oh horror - LOL). :-)

10:58pm • #34
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Claude, this is going to make me read up on errors and ommission insurance. We have it for Realtors. We have it for Notries. Will we have it for bloggers? Will we need it?

11:01pm • #35
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There are already laws protecting people from liable and false advertising...so why do we need new laws? this is what makes me nuts! I hate new laws unless they are absolutely necessary.

11:03pm • #36
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Karen, my fear is that if we keep watching outside forces chip away at our Constitution we wont speak up or speak out because of being jaded... When people are tired they get passive and believe someone else will take care of it. We're bloggers... We should get involved and try to get as much clarification as possible because it affacts us. The changes are designed with us as a class of writers in mind. All bloggers are marketers? When did that happen? I missed the memo on that one (LOL).

11:07pm • #37
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Ah...thanks for the explanation. Now, I get it. Sorry, I missed the point. (I tried though.) Thanks. BTW, I believe, unfortunately, in the right of the hate mongers to speak. But, you're story presents a bit of a sticky wicket. We just have to hope that we're living our best lives, and fulfilling our highest potential...including those we recommend. (Keep your fingers crossed, just in case.)

11:09pm • #38
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Karen, regarding the new changes I do believe the fines are prominent in the re-write. :-)

11:09pm • #39
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Miss C Tann.....I think this is terrifying! I'm just sick to my stomach. We have the right to say anything we want. Now...if we are obviously selling something, then I'm OK with disclosing our interest....but we are only selling ourselves...and most blogging is expressing our opinions. There is no reason to curb this.

But here's a thought....if my blog runs via France....can I be fined? What control does Washington think it really have?

11:12pm • #40
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I'm sure you all have heard the story about the elephant with the chain around his ankle. Little by little the chain was changed into a rope. Why doesn't the elephant just break the rope and run? Because he tried it before and couldn't, and now doesn't believe with the rope that he could.

Little by little our constitution is being chip away at. When do you complain? After this one, oh well, maybe the next one. Then, one day, it's too late and all's lost? Maybe, maybe not.

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Marianne, the appearance of a conflict can trigger a substantial fine if the investigator assigned to the case believes there is evidence to warrant going forward. If I later try to explain it's all a horrible misunderstanding do I get accused of changing my story because of undue influence? Do you get accused of tampering with a witness? Do we both get spanked for obstructing an official investigation because I am your friend and the investigator now believes you have influenced me when you have not? Now we both hypothetically may get into trouble. Material connections can be a tricky issue because we both may not have expressed ourselves the best way from the start, with sufficient clarity, for the case file to be closed after the preliminary investigation into the hypothetical allegation. Small details that people do not realize are important may be the very thing that potentially gets  a blogger fined.

11:20pm • #42
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It's interesting...I'm in Santa Fe, New Mexico on vacation. The mayor of Albuquerque was just ousted in the election yesterday. The local news says that he was too much in favor of government over people...he was not expected to lose, but a businessman won. Interesting

11:20pm • #43
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and one more thought...if I think my hotel is dirty and the people aren't nice.....who can tell me I'm wrong?

11:25pm • #44
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C - perhaps in a down market there is a stimulus package that allows little Realtors(r) E&O grace on blogs. I think I'm little enough. I'm just a wee Realtor(r)

11:30pm • #45
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Karen, that's the rub. If you tell the truth about the dirty hotel room and they claim it was not accurate, how do you fight the subsequent he said she said? Sometimes photographs don't do a site justice and sometimes people are not prepared to take pictures.

That ouster is very interesting...  

11:35pm • #46
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C,

I think the bottom line is Government is out of control. I think that you are helping wake up the sleeping masses... Society has become complacent and those individuals with agendas are steam rolling what they want because we have been lulled to sleep with the good economy which has now taken a turn.

I opened the 81 page FTC document and was horrified by the number of comments they have based decisions on to change the 1980 Guides currently in effect. In January 2007 the Commission published a "Federal Register notice seeking comment on the overall cost, benefits and regulations and economic impact of the Guides."  Only 22 comments were filed.  In November 2008 the commission published a Federal Register notice 73 FR72374 which discussed the 22 comments and 17 comments were filed. 

Upon reading the comments there were several organizations which supported your position as stated in this post.  The National Association of Realtors (NAR) was among the groups who commented on the FTC Guides.  They were concerned about NAR as a group endorsing certain products so it would appear this is of great concern to NAR as well. 

We as agents have been required to disclose if we receive any renumeration for sending buyers or sellers to a particular insurance agent, inspector, lender etc. States have required disclosure forms or clauses in the contract to that effect.   

It might be a good idea to contact NAR and see who has been a player in this game and see where they stand at this point.  The system as you well know is the system... so to win the game you have to engage with the rules of conduct in place to work within the system. The mere numbers of NAR makes working with them a powerful force.  Combined with the numbers in activerain, it is the perfect mix to make a statement and effect a change.

So if the activerain members interested in voicing their opinions got together to form a plan, and then respectively went to their individual State Associations who then took the message to NAR I think you could have an impact on the legislation.  It could be a "call to action" is already in the works so some investigation at NAR can clear this up. The local Association Board may already be working on something too. The Government affairs committee at any local association SHOULD know what is going on with the State Association in reference to the new guides from the FTC.  

Many agents are not aware of how the  Realtor Association "system" works so this is the perfect time to see it in action and be a part of changing legislation.  Start at the local board level with the Board President who then takes the concerns to the State level which then gets shared at the National level at NAR.  Most Boards are thrilled when agents are willing to participate and help carry a torch for rights. Of course the same rules of conduct with respect and dignity apply to REAL time communication for a cause as to our virtual community.

The FTC document did have a name address and phone number.

Division of Advertising Practice

Bureau of Consumer Protection

FTC  Washington D.C.   20580

202-326-3116

 

 

11:36pm • #47
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LOL @ Claude. I am wondering if E & O insurance will be updated. Seems when ever the laws change the packages eventually conform..  

11:36pm • #48
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Carra, the cool thing about blogging is you can write an e-mail and embed links to great posts. Calling attention to specific responses within a post by comment number can be very effective too. I have picked a few legislators that answer their e-mail. I know because we talk back and forth and they have also sent me official letters in reply to my inquiries by e-mail. There is a method to my madness (LOL).

I did say I wanted to have a conversation here. We're real people. They need to hear from real people. I have concerns but it is so much better when other people have them as well. :-)

11:42pm • #49
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C - I'm hoping for a Public Option on my new E&O

11:45pm • #50
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ROTFLMAO @ Claude. Now that would definitely be ironic (LMAO). Too funny! ;-)

11:53pm • #51
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Wow. I have a lot of reading to do. I was wondering who pushed your buttons today. LOL. The comments shed some light on your post. Now I have to go read all this garbage. *great*  And I am VERY literal!  I even get stuck when listening to someone speak, if they use a word wrong. My brain just stops right there, trying to process it; meanwhile I'm getting lost while the speaker keeps going. I'm in big trouble if I have to read a bunch of legal mumbo jumbo.

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LOL @ Lisa. Take your time, sweetie pie. :-)

12:29am • #53
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You know me....just tiptoe-ing on eggshells so I don't have to look over my shoulder....  I was writing the other night and had my husband look it over.....just to make sure I wouldn't be 'caught' doing the naughtie.  :)  and you aren't mad.....just glad lol

12:30am • #54
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The problem I have with it is that, as many things the government attempts to do, there exists a vast chasm between intent and real world application.  While the intent is (giving the benefit of the doubt here) probably good, there are far too many ways in which the system could be abused in a vindictive and punitive manner. 

12:41am • #55

Yikes!!!  I like the wordy C.  Thanks for the heads up.  I am off to read the links...  I think I might be awhile.  If I get lost, pls send a search party.

3:51am • #56
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LOL @ C-Sally-C. I usually have poor Susana read 'em while we're in the car (LOL). By then it's too late. I posted (LMAO) ;-) When it's really important I tend to send it to the legal eagles and the ladies usually keep me out of trouble. Sometimes the girls are just too busy to babysit the left and right sides of my brain. (LOL) :-D

5:45am • #57
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Jesse, you have hit the nail on the noggin. Seriously so. I hope they receive more comments from the public than what they have previously received. This doc needs to be improved before it gets finalized.

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Margaret, will definitely be keeping a virtual eye out for you (LOL). Looking forward to having a conversation to hear your take on it. :-)

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C... I wonder how many freedoms will be forfeited in an attempt to protect the consumer? I have a blog that I will wwrite at a later time about a new real estate law in GA that you won't believe!
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Not off to read yet...came back to finish up this post. I have in the past, and would like to continue to, blogged about a vendor I used and was extremely pleased with...I paid him fully for his services and was extremely pleased. I wrote the post to recommend him to others. He deserves it. He linked to my post on his Facebook page so others could see how I felt about his work. As a Realtor I frequently recommend folks I have PERSONAL experience with when a client asks me who I would recommend. SO!?!?!

What if he appreciates the folks I send him and he actually returns the favor and recommends my services, even though I have never sold him a house? Have I now been 'compensated'?  Has he now falsely endorsed me? If one of us screws up, or worse, ends up as the victim of a disgruntled wacko looking for a lawsuit, can we be fined?  I have a headache... somehow I do not thinking doing all the homework on this issue is going to make it go away.

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C, Bloggers can get insurance.

The non-profit Media Bloggers Association has announced an insurance policy designed to protect bloggers who face threats of libel lawsuits, copyright claims, invasion of privacy accusations and other legal woes.

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As long as you maintain the ability to speak, there will be those who want to take away freedom of speech. If the world had more common sense, we wouldn't even need laws.

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9:04am • #64
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Richard, I shall be checking in looking for that post. There seems to be a lot of strange trends going on in the name of protecting the very people who sometimes go out of their way to make bad decisions. I don't mind consumer protections, I mind not having equal protection as a vendor. Who is trying to protect us from bogus complaints? Where are the consumer warnings for false reporting and what's our response sanction structure? We are going to fine you is their theme. Fine. Let the theme swing both ways for abuse of the system and filing false reports hiding behind the color of law.

9:38am • #65
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SarahGray, this is why I went off the first time. This is why I wrote about the subject again in public rather than answer my e-mail in private. We need to talk about this and we need to send our commentary to the FTC so it's part of the record. If we have concerns now is the time to try and get them addressed because once they finalize the document, those will be the rules. We need more clarification and we need them to have common friggin' sense.

9:42am • #66
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Mitchell, learned something new today. Thank you!

Everybody click the links on comment #62. :-)

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JL, very well said. Thank you for the feature. :-)

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WayWard Child...

I'm just gonna go ahead and get the insurance. It really is the only way to cover my companies bum :)

I know what I'm about to say will sound terrible. In my day I've fought more battles than I care to count. There comes a point in our lives where we realize some of these battles need to be fought by a younger generation. Remember the movie/book "Fried Green Tomatoes"? Pretend I'm Kathy Bates ramming the volkswagon on purpose. She's older and has more insurance :)

Okay. Well maybe, just maybe, that comment sounder better in my head :)

P.S. Yes. I read the document. Why do you think I'm getting the insurance? :)

TLW...ROAR!

10:07am • #69
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LIke Georgina, I started on page 50 and soon became mired in the double speak. I think this post should be featured as a companion piece to the one currently being featured today.

BTW...I am a little nervous thinking about TLW in that Volkswagen...

10:55am • #70
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I just watched a commercial. There were so many disclaimers that I forget what the product was.

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C-there is a lot to sift throug here but, I did follow the links in comment #62.  The one thing I was struck by mostly because it was the first thing I thought of when presented with the notion of insurance was that it provides a source of deeper pockets to go after.  Before I comment further I need to do more reading.  

I do agree with your statement that we need clarification of the rules and rules that make common sense.   

1:07pm • #72
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C - Thanks for putting this up and calling us all on the carpet. I discussed this with my Dad on the way to a new listing today. We have a handyman that does work for us. He's a friend of my Dad's. I told Dad - what if Kyle gives you a bottle of wine at the end of the year? Does this mean you'd better disclose it if you ever write a blog about how great he is? What about all the dinners you share and your annual hike through the Grand Canyon?

3:46pm • #73
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Well right on...glad to see more folks can now join this conversation!

4:22pm • #74
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C -- I agree with others -- wonder if we as bloggers will need E&O insurance to cover our behinds with all of this! WOW. SCARY SCARY stuff.

5:19pm • #75
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this is a great post and I completely agree with you. I will also be reading more on the topic to become more knowledgeable. thanks.

7:09pm • #76
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These are the kind of posts we need to see more of. As the blogging world continues to grow, we will inevitably see government attempt to exert their authority.  I understand the nature of this type of legislation, and that its passage will be couched in its intent to "protect us" from being taken advantage of, but at some point we need to stand up, and take responsibility for our own actions. 

Somewhere along the line, Americans began to believe we have a right to not be offended.  I have no idea how this has gained as much traction as it has, but in the end people cannot be protected from everything.  We all have the ability to "turn the channel" if we do not like what we see, but if we do not stand up for our right to do so, do not be surprised if we lose it.

While I may disagree with your opinions, arguments, and conclusions, I will fight to my death for your right to express it.  This should apply to both written, and oral speech.

BTW - I'll probably end up buying the insurance when all is said and done.  :(

7:48pm • #77
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I HAVE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THIS.  WHAT DO WE HAVE TO DO TO BE STRAIGHT.

8:16pm • #78
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C- as it is after 9pm now, I'm going to read the link tomorrow but the only winner in all of this (and at the risk of offending anyone and I mean no particular person ) is the legal community .  And, we have only ourselves to blame.  Read Philip K Howard's "The Death of Common Sense: How Law is Suffocating America".  Thank you for encouraging us to grow and think!

8:18pm • #79
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Hello Mama. TLW, I am trying to catch up on my reading and shall go visit with you and Papa some time tonight to see my bros and what you all have been up to. We're coming down for a visit in December or January. Still working out the dates so you can see your grand-minions (LOL). ;-)

LOL @ Russell. I am soooo downloading that movie in iTunes tonight. I have to see that scene. Seriously (LOL).

ROTFLMAO @ Options Realty. OMG - you have those moments too? I thought I was the only one (LMAO).

Nick, they really need to work more on this issue because the unintended consequences can be financially devastating to a writer. There are just too many ways to manipulate this into a potential cash cow or hypothetical cottage industry for new litigation. Remember after the OJ incident they formed a Domestic Violence portion of the court system? Will we eventually have a Bloggers Court? Think about it... This can get mad scary if we are not careful and fail to make our concerns known... :-)

Christianne, I eat at other peoples homes all the time and have shared so many dinners with so many people my mind shorted out and I had a major brain fart. I kept thinking OMG, have I inadvertently done something wrong just by having a busy social life? I don't even remember what half my friends do for a living because when we get together we concentrate on catching up personally and shop talk doesn't last long. We usually play video games to relax or watch movies. People also pose for my art projects all the time. I'm freaking out about that because I habitually give away sketches from my sketch books. I don't even remember who got what... Damn... My kids are also very well loved by my family and friends. They get gifts all of the time. Am I going to remember that last Christmas Ruben gave my kids specific toys and he's a carpenter I've known my whole life. Did I casually mention him somewhere in my blog this year? I have been back tracking trying to figure out if my casual ramblings have to be modified and new blog habits formed. Now is the time to take stock of how one writes because when the new rules go into effect you want to have good writing habits. I went to the gym with my gal pal Susana today. I know I mention her all the time in casual remarks. She is a small business owner. She has three Masters degrees. We take turns buying each other lunch almost every single week. We blog in the car together for crying out loud. My disclosure list on just this one friend alone will be mind boggling... I am talking friggin' amazing because she is an amazing person and we spend a lot of time together...  I almost feel this is a horrible invasion of my personal privacy because most of my friends are smarter than me and own businesses. I casually talk about them all the time. People across the globe know of our relationships. How do I tally lunch with a loved one? How about all those great dinners? What about those thinking of you presents? I have a lot of questions because the FTC is going to rule on a case by case basis... What does that mean to someone like me with really smart, talented and fun friends that I brag about all the time because I love them? What about all my fave Rainers? You guys have no idea how many road trips and sleep overs I've really done. I don't tell a lot although it seems I tell everything (LOL). OMG - do I have to disclose who gave me Victoria Secrets for my B-day? Oh my word... I am going shopping with the girls on Sunday because my Mom is coming for a visit. I am buying clothes with a Rainer... this should make for a very interesting blog post (LMAO).

 

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Russell, I am looking forward to having a very interesting discussion about this issue because it really is important. It affects the entire blogosphere. Bloggers are now a distinct and separate group being treated as marketers... We influence with our words. We capture news live and report it faster than the prime time news. We tweet when we are in an earthquake and will be talking about it in real time as opposed to the news which now plays catch up and data mines our conversations to create their reports. YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, all the social media forums provide instant access and the information come so fast and furious it really is impossible to control... I understand they have to try to police it and am curious to see what the results will be. I just don't want to get hurt simply because I am a quirky person and some idiot from the do-not-have-fun-police wants to close down my blog because I dared to say what most people only think and whisper. If I have the nerve to say it to your face or over the phone I should also have the nerve to say it over the Internet. :-)

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Marney, I am so very grateful that Mitchell posted those links. I am looking into getting more answers and more training as a blogger and hope to figure out the best E&O insurance packages to get. I need to update my E&O insurance for being a Notary as well. I am wondering what to do with the magazine I created... I may need to seriously consider working my butt off to get a press pass. I have had people ask me to write but I've been way too busy with the kids and work. Music and art take a lot of time. Real Estate rules approximately 10 hours of my day. I work in 20 minute intervals which is why I get a lot done (LOL). I sync my schedule with my family/friends first, clients second, then allocate blocks of time to cover my creative project requirements. I am taking off for some down time on Saturday because I have to recharge the mental batteries and figure out what this document will require of me because I obviously have to change my casual ways. :-)

9:23pm • #82
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Joshua, thank you for the kind words they are very much appreciated and I am glad you found the post useful. :-)

9:25pm • #83
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Ron, very well said. The right not to be offended has been marketed in so many politically correct ways it's a fallacy that has taken hold of people who have no idea the right isn't a right at all. It's an agenda trend...

9:27pm • #84
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Good grief.  That has to be the most boring 12 pages I have ever managed to get through...  At this rate i'll retire before I finish...

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Russ, I am hoping as we have this discussion enough great minds will opine and inspire people to get a game plan for commenting to the FTC. We should help them the best we can because helping them helps us all. If we don't help them, they will make mistakes that will have significant ramifications to a lot of people who don't understand material connections and are not even aware that this legislative event took place. What if some hypothetical Blogging Granny lost the roof over her head because she can't pay the fines and her stuff is liquidated due to potential judgments. I have seen the Sherrifs roll up on my neighbors and serve them, then five days later come back and clear them out. Don't know why. Only know it aint pretty and not having the money to pay the judgment was the only common denominator... Do you know if you don't pay your parking tickets in NYC and they get a judgment against you they roll up and take your car and sell it at auction? I gave a car to someone I love and they got $250 in tickets. Didn't pay them. Came home and the car was gone. Asked them about it and they thought it was stolen. Nope. It was confiscated and sold so the city to have its $250. I saw the new owner once and asked about the car. They brought it for less than $500. Was I pissed at my friend? You betcha. I worked hard to pay for that car. It was my first one. I gave it away because Hubby gave me a car. Sometimes people don't care about what they have because it's free and it didn't cost them much to keep it. Some Rainers here have the free blogs and wont upload a friggin' picture because it didn't cost them much. Well, it costs AR because they pay for the servers that host that bit of neglected virtual real estate. I want people to think about the cost of not opening their virtual mouths when this may be the only time frame we have to make a significant difference. Don't think someone else is going to do it and you will be okay. The FTC needs comments with a "s" on the end. Had my friend asked I would have given the money to pay the tickets. I would have taken the car back if he didn't want it. I found out later on he was expecting me to give him another car when Hubby upgraded to a new one. Never gave him one again but did give one to his ex-girlfriend. That disappointed him quite a bit... (LMAO). Does that make me wicked or someone who loves irony? It forced him to borrow money and buy a car. Guess what? Some uninsured motorist hit it and totaled his first car. It was only then that he understood how I felt that the vehicle I gave s a love gift was so shamelessly squandered. His car had value because he had to pay for it. He treated it with respect because it cost him something. Don't squander our free speech rights people simply because it's free and cost you nothing. Our ancestors died so we could have this right. It did cost you something... Seriously... ;-)

9:48pm • #87
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Kathy, I am looking into getting E&O for my blogging habits. Talking to the Hubby about it now, among other things (LOL). My version of thinking and growing may have a few unintended consequences (LMAO). I can be quite colorful sometimes with expressions... Are they accurate? Yup: relatively speaking (LOL). ;-)

 

9:55pm • #88
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Lane, I bet this gets interesting as it gets revised (LOL). I aim to get a positive revision (LMAO). So do a lot of other active virtual mouths in cyberspace. We can't keep talking to each other and fail to talk to the FTC. We have to get them to read us. We have to write them very careful letters that we want read into the record and maintained as part of the legislative file. If we as a virtual community fail to do this the potential future disasters based upon unintended consequences may hypothetically be our collective fault. Millions of sites yet less than one hundred comments in the record? Seriously? Can't afford a friggin' stamp? Hell, one group in AR could fatten up that FTC file in no time with all sorts of interesting commentary (LOL). Don't be bored. Get wordy (LMAO).  ;-)

10:01pm • #89
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I think this is an example of the government finally figuring out that the Internet carries weight. Bloggers who want to appear professional might want to adhere to professional standards other journalists abide by, and I don't see anything unusual or weird about it Disclose. That's all you need to do. Disclose.

Put yourself in the shoes of the consumer, even if the shoes don't fit and are smelly.

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10:13pm • #90
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C - Looks like this post has created alot of conversation. One thing for sure is we can't please everyone and there is always going to be that one who trys to create an issue out of nothing at all. This is a great post to get everyone thinking about this topic.

10:32pm • #91

Thanks for post #62.  I'm now following on Twitter and a fan on Facebook.  Lot of reading to do to get up to speed.  Thanks for the direction.

10:35pm • #92
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I have my attorney working on my blog disclosure now. 

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Elizabeth, very well said. However, I am worried about the extent of unfettered reach regarding disclosures. If I disclose seven points I am aware of but the FTC says there are ten points of order alleged so I shall fine you for the three you missed (because you had no idea about them, or some hypothetical person at the FTC does not believe that you didn't really know or remember), that possibility freaks me out.

Roland, David and Patty, I am playing with my gal pals right now. We are freaking each other out (as usual). :-)

What if a blogger jokes about something on my blog because it fits the stream of the conversational farce and everyone in on it (the joke) knows it to be parody and irony but a writer or two gets hit because it is added into evidence that the bloggers knew or should have known about something because of the nature of the information disclosed during the comments? The possible negative impacts of having to answer, then potentially having to spend money to continue to answer, defend, appeal this makes me want to caution people to think outside the box about what he or she thinks they understand...

If an investigator collects enough casual comments from social media streams and places them in chronological order about a single subject being discussed by a blog post writer, one may hypothetically allege the aggregate of the information posted by a single writer across accounts is possibly the FTC's, potential version of the sum total being equal to all of its conversational parts. Your own words may become a cash cow for the government...

We change our minds daily and everyone realizes that's a thinking person's prerogative. Does it make me or any other writer inaccurate or enlightened? We learn from each other daily. Does that make me or any other writer incompetent, learning or in training? How many people claim to be experts in a host of industry stuff but comment like idiots upon subjects they should know or write angry blog posts trashing a commenter that actually is correct but opposed to their version of the truth?

Collected in the aggregate and presented to be read into evidence after a blogger is being sworn in because questions will be asked of the writer and the adversary wants to refresh ones recollection about the particular subject one is being fined for is no fun. It doesn't have to be a joke. It can be a very professional and well written post that can bite one in the butt when the gray area of being specifically vague comes into play. What if you do a great short sale series then mess up an actual short sale in the mind of the buyer who didn't get the house or the mind of the seller who went into foreclosure. Consumer makes the allegations and prelims are in progress to investigate the matter.

Do you know how many people in the Rain claim they never do something and put another person down for it only to go into Facebook and basically admit that they did the very same something once but it was a long time ago, stating they were green and as a veteran agent it doesn't count? The newb in AR should have known better is their argument. Why? Double standard? False marketing? Bluster? Puffery? What is that? It's bad if the post names names and winds up being part of someone's case file as an example of the how negligent are you debate people engage in when they are angry. The newb has few designations. The vet has a two line stream of classes passed acronyms and waves that around to make other people feel bad. Now the FTC thinks the hypothetical rant naming names must be true and has some merit because we're supposed to be truthful in our blogs, right? The newb potentially gets fined by more than one agency. Bummer... The comments supporting the witch hunt help do people in.

Hypothetically, on the flip side because vets make mistakes too, if one has thirty designations behind their name then one is accountable for thirty claims of you should have known this. Fine may even be larger than the newb's financial hit because  your training makes you held to a higher standard dear hypothetical expert.

When I was an officer I went to the range and worked hard because I wanted to be a marksman. I shot a 98, 99 and a 100. My Captain pal was horrified. Know what he said? If you shoot someone in the street in self defense and they die their lawyer is going to pull your range card, put you on the stand and say you meant to kill his client because you are a marksman. Why did you shoot him or her in the heart when you could have shot him or her in the leg? Gee... I was aiming for center body mass because that is what we are taught to do. Aim for the large part of the body. The target is moving because the target is live, not a piece of paper. I can swear I never aimed for the heart but those stupid high scores have the potential for doing me in simply because the law says I am an expert shot and I have the stupid marksmen pen from the range to place on my badge holder back in the day. That was the last thing I expected to ever hear. Doing very well makes me more accountable? Can possibly place me in jail if I defend myself better than the person who is trying to kill me? Ever been shot at? I have. It is an indescribable feeling... It changes you. Trauma will do that. Even blog trauma.

I remember thinking how bad it freaked me out back then while I read this PDF. It ws my first serious lesson in everything is relative. For instance, it is possible that had I shot a 71 people may probably say it was a miracle I hit such a fast moving target while also ducking for cover to return defensive fire (LOL). It was my first lesson on be careful, be confident but don't ever be or pretend to be friggin' perfect. Even if you are perfect with a skill set. Let people speculate on your level of perfection and decide how flawless your execution was... Doesn't matter the industry. Rumor has it it is safer that way.

I am not a perfect person and I do have major issues which also is my fave thing to say (LOL). It's true too (LMAO). I think that's why the disclosure examples bothered me. Not that we have to disclose, but that mischief can be done with it.

Can any of us do a perfect disclosure about anything? I don't think so. Where is the leeway for forgiving mistakes or the feebleness of my mind as time makes me forget pertinent details? Case by case basis makes me happy but also very nervous. That implies in my tiny little periodically confused feeble mind the distinct possibility of a hypothetical PMS moment where a potential FTC prick personality, having a bad hair day, who hates Jesus may decide I am spreading inaccurate information because he or she opines that (a) there is no God, (b) this is a real estate network, (c) I am a Realtor and should be talking RE not GOD on a RE network and am therefore misleading the public because they are coming here to find real estate and not Jesus.

Hmm... Did we miss the part of the show where this is also a hosting site for actual websites (e.g. Team and Outside Blogs). AR has GoDaddy similarities in that you can register your domain and host it here. Since I pay for my blogging habits I am going to hypothetically state to P freedom of expression is my right. The hypothetical prick personality may hypothetically counter by sending me a form letter in sum and substance that establishes that fact that he or she is fining me $11K. I possibly must now prove that P, a hypothetical rep from PMS hell working at the FTC is now wrong because his or her possible anti-religious subjective opinion in the guise of political correctness now dictates I leave my worship and other quirks of personality out of my real estate blog posts. Hypothetically, I must now spend money to defend against and to prove that the FTC rep should not have imposed this fine because my constant talking about Christ is not some secret message to Christians to hire me or some secret code to send away non-Christians because P implies my specific God and His influence appear to be a possible Fair Housing Law violation since I work in real estate and said antics have raised some nebulous concerns. Seem silly to you? Think again. Read some of the interesting crap rolling around in cyberspace...

People (e.g. consumers) in all sorts of social media forums say generic things like: I am a Russian on a Russian social media website looking for a Russian agent/vendor/various types of professional who speak Russian. Seems neutral or harmless right because people focus on the speak language part as a defining characteristic? After all, this is the consumer making a voluntary statement of fact and expressing a specific need. Doesn't say buyer, seller, religion, race or anything other than nationality with a language need specific to that nationality.

Hypothetical Russian Activepeep gets wind of it because blogger routinely signs up for the Russian cultural sites. Says in the forum I am a Russian, I speak Russian, I sell real estate. Hypothetical Buyer finds the blurb in a conversation thread or is directed to a profile page and sends an e-mail stating I want to live in a Russian community and then picks a specific geographical place where friends and relatives currently  live. Also states find a home in this specific place only. One contact later turns out to be a large family relocating from the mother land. Competition eventually gets pissed because all of a sudden this newb non existent hypothetical agent Demitri is mysteriously closing 5 deals or more a month because D is into social media and D's clients happily share info about their progress and D's hyper-local blog. Pissed off agent can't read or speak Russian so he or she possibly makes a steering accusation to the state department and hints to the FTC a Fair Housing Law / FTC Bogging Social Media Law violation took place claiming something vague like D talks about being a Jew all the time and steers all the Russian Jews to the Russian Jewish neighborhood where their brokerage house is but they are not getting that segment of the booming business so D has to be doing something wrong. D is a newb, a rookie, has no designations and admits to making mistakes on-line while asking lots of questions about what to do.

Hubris can be a b*tch sometimes...

Now that hypothetical complaint is an unsubstantiated allegation that has nothing to do with the hypothetical facts of the matter, it is just an inference and impression made from a bitter or calculating rival working under the color of law. Competition knows nothing about the actual buyers, just remembers that D is Jewish because D blogs about it once in a while when sharing a host of other information as well. How many bloggers are just like this hypothetical Russian agent who simply went to a collection of social media sites and said here I am, here is my blog this is what I do. I speak these languages. I am interested in this list of stuff as a person. Feel free to get to know something personal and professional about me and call me anytime if you think I can service your professional needs...

The problem is the appearance of an allegation crafted in a plausible manner can cause a world of hurt if innocents have no idea how to begin to respond to it because that type of an attack is unsettling, confusing and draining. If there is nothing to disclose, was never anything to disclose, how does one battle being accused of not disclosing what someone else makes up about you?

Why do you think I am so bent out of shape about this current PDF? I have a lot of questions and no answers. Virtual worship being banned or messed with is one set of concerns. Having one group of people trying to impose what another group may or may not write the moment they decide to blog or dabble in social media forums makes me nervous because under color of law they can decide we are going to protect all R E bloggers from the appearance of engaging in possible Fair Housing shenanigans by removing our ability to talk about any form or religion because we don't want to potentially harm the dissenting atheist whose religion is there is no God from having to be offended by consumers subconscious identification of affinity with a writer who like, respects or believes in the consumers version of God. When I hear a peron opine you can hire the blogger if you both play golf but you can't hire the blogger if you both like Buddha, it irks me.  I have friends who do not believe in God and we love each other dearly. I don't shove Jesus down their throats and they don't piss on my faith.

There is an agenda to take God out of everything. Google the anti-religious yourself. Who gets to decide this potential blogging can write blogging can't write scenario because we certainly are not protected from it creeping in and being triggered by a vague statute that makes what isn't prohibited possibly permissible.

BTW, feel free to substitute my issues with the issues of your choice people.

Too many ways to shut other people down and make them fight for their lives, opinions, beliefs and jobs because consumers can pick and choose and write what ever they want while we start a tip toe through the mine field of words dance to avoid being fined. I should never have to worry about this but now I am because I do not feel protected. I feel targeted. I feel as if my rights are being chipped away at because bloggers can instantly create a global conversation and effect change in the most surprising of ways. 

Not a casual thing at all to ignore what is happening... Marketing regulations are necessary but where does the line get drawn?

The more we ask the FTC to explain the better. The more concerns we get into the record the better. New angle: How does one hypothetically disclose all of D's Russian buyers who found D on a Russian dating social site with a business section for profiles because D told them D is a Realtor. Does D have to give up his Soviet-date-secrets because D may have dated a few previous relatives of latter buyers before they referred business to D. What if D ate at their Mom and Pop shops, blogging about his day unaware he missed some disclosure rule because he had 100 dates and can't remember them all? Must disclose all material connections can get very tricky if someone doesn't like you and/or creates a bogus allegation one didn't tell something one may never be able to tell because it doesn't exist...

If you are in a group picture at a third party BBQ who are you really with? Who did you really know? Is that apple juice or liq? If someone leaves a Facebook comment that generically states "we all had fun and really got wasted that night," does that mean everyone in the picture engaged in drunk driving? What if it is alleged later because someone had a cold and their eyes are nose are red?

Does any one here remember everyone they ever dated, ate with, drank with, visited and who their relatives were and how many times you made use of their businesses? What if someone posts a do you remember when moment in Facebook and you haven't seen them in years so you say something politically correct and nice like, yeah I remember you and the crap we used to do but you really don't. Will a person feel stupid when it is used against them later on? How about the people who don't know you and write something stupid on your wall and your old friends respond thinking its true and it isn't and you miss it because you didn't log in for a few days and it drops off the roll because your Mafia Wars habit pushed all the links off the home page. The disclosure rule needs some serious tweaking because there are just too many ways to whack an innocent...

 

1:08am • #94
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Mitchell Hall is awesome. Comment # 62 is very important. Click the links, people. :-)

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I am not able to comment fully, because I haven't read all of the info - my weekend project  Karen

5:39am • #96

I came back to follow the conversation and appreciate the discussion, and yes, the link to insurance.  This does seem to go way overboard.  It just seems so contrary to free speech and the spirit of the internet - free discussion.  Virtual life is becoming so complicated.

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Karen, I hope your weekend project goes very well. :-)

Margaret, virtual life is becoming incredibly complicated, indeed. :-)

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Carolyn, I will read all the links this weekend. But, the comments are very helpful.

I looked at the Media Insurance Site and will go ahead and join after ready the guidelines and taking the test.

25.00 a year is not bad.

I have never taken any monetary gain or freebies from folks or business I blog about...but you can't be too careful.

Frankly the whole thing is alarming.

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C, I found out about the Bloggers Association and insurance over a year ago. I've been blogging for over 3 years. I'm a professional and i take my blog and my real estate license very serious. I go out of my way to adhere to every rule of DOS and avoid bad mouthing or even mentioning other brokers no matter how un ethical and un professional they may be. I usually receive very positive feedback from my blogs. i have been contacted by developers after I've written about one of their buildings requesting that I write about their other buildings. I receive tons of press releases and party invites. Unfortunately there are some jealous people out there.

About a year and a half ago i attended a broker's preview tour of a new development. I wrote a blog about it. A very positive piece. After it was posted for a while and already indexed by google the broker not the developer called me all upset that I must take down the post because I scooped the New York Times and they wanted the Times to give them a big publicity spread and the Times won't write about it if it has already been reported. The broker was with a division of the same firm I worked for at the time so i took it down. They also ran ads in the Times. i don't run advertising in my blog nor do I accept freebies or money in exchange for anyhing I write about. I've turned down ad offers but I may consider taking advertising in the future.

I rarely self-promote in my blog. My blogs provide information for consumers. Another broker now has that project.

8:30am • #100

I see it as a can of worms, another way for competitors to attack each other(wasting time and money) with bogus complaints. I'll read the document tonight after work and see what I need to do to protect myself.

So am I not aloud to mention on my blog the thai restaurant in town that serves the best food to ever touch my tongue? On occasion they give me free wontons and leftovers but I genuinely believe it is the best food ever. They have never asked for referrals but I send everyone I know there.

10:08am • #101
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C Tann- I have already commented on Patricia's and Judy's posts. I have also read the comments. While some commenters 'get it' -others still don't get it. We can talk about this until we are blue in the face and people who trust that government is the nanny will never get what these kinds of laws are really all about. You can read the document, you can try to figure out the implications, you can get insurance, you can do all these things to adhere to these and many other new laws but at the end of the day there is only real truth in all of this and that is that the government, no matter which party has control, is about control. Governments fear people having control and people should fear when the government has ALL the control especially when it comes to free speech and freedom of the press. We can see this in the history of our own country when past Presidents imprisoned those citizens who spoke out against their regimes. This is nothing new nor will the outcome and court decisions be new either.

The government has been trying to control the internet for decades now. The people have fought against that for decades. People say I read too much into it, well, just read your history books and study the white house documents left behind by each President. There are those who will continue to live with their heads in the sand.

If you think trolls are bad now and if you think Kumbaya bloggers don't snitch- ( not you C) there is going to be a rude wake up call. I can see it now, Craigslist ads- "Need a job? Troll the net for us, $7 an hour, to turn bloggers in that you think are violating FTC rules." Hmm, I wonder who would hire people like this to do that? It is not a far fetched notion as we have seen this with other freedom of speech activities already!

Those who HATE us who use the internet to make money will be laughing as they snitch on us. And you bring up the most important point- what is going to be their fine for snitching untruths and making stuff up about the rest of us? What about the competition! You see, the government will never come out and say that your freedom of speech is intended to be violated they will allow us to do it to each other because guess what- when you have threat of jail time and lawsuits most people just won't jump in and play, thus, indirectly their voice was just shut down.

This goes beyond real estate. This goes beyond bloggers. So many comments about "me, me, me" about," I don't endorse, I don't do this, I don't do that." but what about your friends, family members and even strangers who do? I feel I have a duty to stand up for all rights for all people- not just for my little self and world. Katerina

10:32am • #102
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C Tann- Oh my! I just read one of your responses and now I too, am in agreement with you about virtual worship. My church has huge websites with vast historic archives, scriptures, the list goes on and on! The anti religious movement is huge. We know where that comes from. The battle must be fought. I will stand by Buddhists, Christians, Muslims, Jews-even Wikas( I don't know how to spell that- not in dictionary) for their freedom of expression, missionary work, apostilizing, worshiping, writing, blogging, podcasting, etc. I believe that ALL Men are given the God given right to worship whom and what they please in the ways that they wish to do so and that no man has the right to take that away from them. This is scary stuff C! Regulating and more regulating. This stuff gets me going.....

I also like the comments about the right not to be offended. Since when did that right get put in our bill of rights? It is not there! The political correctness has really gone too far and guess who stands to get rich on all of this? Trial Lawyers. I bet they wrote this FTC ruling because vague is their M.O. so that they can make billions bringing cases to court! Katerina

10:43am • #103
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Katerina, there are so many issues and potential problems due to potential unintended consequences I find myself going hmm every other minute with every other thought...

EmMee I routinely send people to check out places that I have eaten when I really like the food.

Mitchell, I am going to learn more and join this organization. Still a newbie at so many things (LOL).

Missy, it is alarming...

2:19pm • #107
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One of the reasons I home school is because schools no longer actually teach kids about the constitution and each and everyone of the amendments to that Constitution and what it means to us as citizens. The FTC made these rules because people were buying products that they thought were good because of endorsements by people they trusted who have actually never used the product themselves. How many times have we seen actors on TV talking about products and at the end of the commercial in small print we see, this was a paid endorsement. (There is no difference people and that has been the law on TV for some 30+ years, it is actually about time that it came to the online world)

Todd Clark - www.LivingBeaverton.com

6:25am • #108
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Todd, oversight is definitely needed but when they do it they should do it in way that doesn't make it easy to weaponize it against a different type of minority category of speech. It's vague enough to affect any item that can be included simply by someone else in a politically correct clique is complaining your or my dissenting opinion is "inaccurate" and deserves to be fined because the majority of another group's belief should rule (or if a handful of people against the majority in power agrees otherwise because they feel the majority should be micromanaged into their way of thinking). Where are the checks and balances in the document for potential abuse of authority under color of law? That's one of my peeves...

9:31am • #109
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C - I am always amazed at what I learn as I read through your blog and the comments.. please don't ever leave Active Rain!

5:59pm • #110
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Judi, thank you for such a kind comment. I plan to grow old here. I have bay-bays to raise (LOL). ;-)

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