Range Pricing. “The Lovely Wife” wrote a great post yesterday explaining this technique and how it works for us, to sell properties. This seems to be a subject that some Realtors are just having a hard time getting their heads around. So, with that in mind, I am going to try and address one of the questions, in a different manner, to see if it will help. The biggest question seems to be Why would a Buyer offer and pay more than the bottom of the Range?” Now I agree this is a good question. So I am going to tell you a story about Little Bobby. Hopefully, this analogy will help shed some light on this. It helps to remember, that purchasing a home, is as much an emotional decision as it is a financial decision. People want what they want and in a lot of cases, people want what they can’t have. This is human nature and I hope everyone agrees with this. Ok, here goes.

  • The place: New York, NY
  • The characters: The shopkeeper- Mr. Sell A. Lot and The customer- Little Bobby

Mr. Sell A. Lot owns a shop, in NY, that specializes in selling used toy cars, on assignment. In his shop, he has many shelves of cars organized by price(MLS). He has a $1.95 shelf and the cars on this shelf are all very similar in size and style. He also has a shelf with cars that he wants $2.15 for. These are a little bit bigger and a little bit nicer. Very shiny. For some reason he is having difficulty getting the children to look at the cars priced at $2.15. They always seem to want the $1.95 cars instead. Mr. Sell A. Lot knows that if they would just look at these other cars they would love them. So he has an idea. Mr. Sell A. Lot takes one of the $2.15 cars and places it on the $1.95 shelf. He writes on the bottom of the car “This car is Range Priced. The Seller will consider offers between $1.95 and $2.25 with $2.25 being a full price offer.” When he steps back and looks at the $1.95 shelf he is really happy. The new “$1.95” car really stands out, it is so much better than the others. Very shiny.

Little Bobby’s birthday was yesterday. Uncle Broker Bryant sent him a nice card with $2.00 in it and told him to go buy something nice for himself. Little Bobby has always wanted a car. He has been looking in all the toy car magazines and has been searching Realcar.com. He remembers Mr. Sell A. Lot’s shop down the street and decides to pay him a visit. My Sell A. Lot seems like a nice guy. Little Bobby sees his picture on all the bus stop benches and gets an occasional post card from him. Once he even got a beautiful magnet with a car calendar attached. It was cool!

Anyway, Little Bobby goes into the toy car shop and immediately starts picking up and looking at all the cars on the $1.95 shelf. He can buy one of these and have a little money left over to maybe buy an accessory or two. They are all pretty nice. When he gets to the end of the line a glimmer catches his eye. Wow, look at that one! Man, that car is a lot nicer! It’s very shiny! Little Bobby has made up his mind. He must have that car. So he runs over picks it up and takes it up to Mr. Sell A. Lot and throws $1.95 on the counter. Mr. Sell A. Lot rings it up and says $2.25 please. Now, Little Bobby is a perplexed, so, Mr. Sell A. Lot shows him the bottom of the car and explains to Little Bobby that the car is “Range Priced”. Little Bobby is a little disappointed but still wants that car. It is so much nicer than the others. And very shiny!

So, Little Bobby, quickly getting over his disappointment, he really wants this car now that he has seen it, tells Mr. Sell A. Lot that he will give him $2.00, even, for it. Mr. Sell A. Lot explains to him that full price is $2.25 and he will not take $2.00 for it. Little Bobby thinks for a minute and decides that his Mom will give him a little more money because he has been such a nice boy and really does have a good score at school. Little Bobby says, “I really want that car Mr. Sell A. Lot, how about I give you $2.10 for it.” Mr. Sell A. Lot responds “Bobby, I know you really like that car, so here’s what I will do, I will sell it to you for $2.15.” Bobby exuberantly says, “Sold” and runs home to get another $.15. Bobby is real pleased, he got a better car than he had planned on getting and he was a shrewd negotiator and got Mr. Sell A. Lot to “reduce” the price to $2.15.

Mr. Sell A. Lot is so happy he takes all of his cars and “Range Prices” them. Business really picks up and Mr. Sell A. Lot, and his shop , are the talk of the town. Mr. Sell A. Lot changes his sign out front, it now reads: Best cars in town, Range Priced, make me an offer. Next!

So there you have it. My meager attempt at an analogy to hopefully shed light on why “Range Pricing” works. Never underestimate human nature.

Little Bobby may even have Mr. Sell A. Lot, sell his car for him when he is ready to upgrade. He was a really nice man! If he hadn’t placed this car on the $1.95 shelf, Little Bobby would have never seen it! And would have had to settle for less.

Why would a Buyer offer and pay more than the bottom of the Range? Because they do!

My last 10 sales are below. Notice DOM and list/sale price differential. Average DOM, in my market, is 98, right now. The proof is in the puddin’ as my Grandmother used to say.

 

109 Comments on "The proof is in the puddin'" Range Pricing part 1,275!

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We have also used this but not much lately, seemed early on the low end would also be low balled, but it can help get people on paper and a conversation started.
11:49am • #1
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Hi Teri, geting them on paper is the whole point. Offers are good. Some can be negotiated and some can't. But Sellers sure love getting them. Thanks for the comment.
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It's like when they advertise a car for $14,995 that is well worth $18,995 & when you get there THAT car is gone but you can have one for $18,995. You negotiate it down to $16,995 - still not a bad deal but had they offered it only at $18,995 OBO you would have said "yawn, same price everywhere else....next". But wait, isn't that example the old "bait & switch"? -- You know I like your idea & it will get action (people into the dealership)...
11:59am • #3

I hate to break it to you Bryant - but I may be so closed minded but .. What can I say.  IF that was my son (BUYER) and the shop (Listing agent/seller) had a price tag of 1.95 and wanted REALLY 2.15 - and "forced" this kid (buyer) to pay the mid range by dangling the car (house)  in the way you described then I would Beat the crap outta him..The way you described was an absolute baiting.  You are under pricing the home - to get shown but wont sell it at that price you listed it at?  Is that what I am seeing?    I KNOW what you are saying but in today's market - there is NO NO  NO way that ranging here in NY will work.  

So all I can say is me and my closed mind will wish you the best of luck - you wont see my reasoning and I see but refuse to agree with yours. 

Christine
12:13pm • #4
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The only difference is, Range Pricing is FULLY disclosed in the MLS. No bait and switch, just creative marketing. It's all in the presentation. Realtors try to make it much more complicated than it really is. The sides of "the box" are very high in Real Estate. You have to float to the top to be able to see over it. But you knew that:)

BTW did you like my little story?

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Thanks for explaining this Broker Bryant! I especially liked your analogy.. I still want that shiny car but can't afford it!
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If I am beginning to understand this, then the house price is not a range, the house's price falls within a range.  Up to the buyer to guess where in that range it falls.  Would your analogy have been better if the lower priced shelf read "Cars $1.95-$2.25".  That way the higher priced car would have been seen with the cheaper cars but definitely would have stood out.  Do I get it yet Bryant?  Lynda

12:31pm • #8
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Chirstine, I guess we can't agree on everything. I still love you though. Christine RP is fully disclosed there is no baiting at all. I assume the buyer can read and make his own decision.

Fran, when I am talking to my sellers, I explain to them that my only goal is to get buyers through the front door and to get offers so we can negotiate. I also remind them that they are never obligated to accept any offers on their house no matter how the house is priced. So lets Range Price it and throw it out there and see what happens. It also helps that I can show them in black and white that it works. See my example in my post. There is no extended expalnation needed. My sellers get it immediately. As for buyers just show them the comments on the MLS. It is very strraightforward. If they are having difficulty with it and and don't want to see the house then so be it. Send them up to NY to see Christine:). This is really a very simple technique. Realtors are the ones that complicate it. Buyers and sellers get it and like it.

Lynda, the seller is always wanting the middle of the range. My analogy is showing how my listing will stand out by being Range Priced. The lower shelf is all the other listings that are NOT range priced. My listing by being Ranged Priced will be bigger and better than everythiig else they have looked at. If they want it, which they will, they will have to pay the price.

12:50pm • #9
Hey B.B you didn't like my last blog? it was bouns blog!...
1:57pm • #10
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How does a "range priced" home go into the MLS? I mean what price is it listed at?
2:09pm • #11
I like your story Bryant, I'm still trying to get my mind around range pricing though I just don't see why you couldn't just put the asking price and then say seller says bring all offers or seller motivated, wouldn't that do the same thing bring buyers through the front door.
2:35pm • #12
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Great Post Bryant but like you said ultimatley all that matters is putting it on paper. Keep blogging!!!! I appreciate your insight and ideas.
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Sheri Ann, The list price is the low price. The range is disclosed in the comments.

Tyler, the difference is my listings are showiong up in the MLS search at the low price. More exposure.

3:12pm • #14
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I totally get it, we need new and creative ideas in our Miami Market and are willing to try it.  We're having difficulty with a listing on the Water in Miami Shores, and might be the thing to try.  Thanks for taking all that time to explain the concept and to simplify it.

Ines

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Ines, I bet it works for you. In this market we have to be willing to try diferent things. Please let me know if you ever have any questions. You can always e-mail me privately if you like.
3:41pm • #16
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Prudential Tried that up here in my neck of the woods about a year or so ago.  I don't see it as much now as I did before, they called it PVRM (Prudential Value Range Marketing).  I never really got it (don't get me wrong, I "get it").  If any of my buyers wanted the property, I would still have come in under the low.

I think one of the reasons I don't see it as much anymore is because sellers still don't have a good grasp of the market, and the low side was still overpriced. 

Good to see someones having some luck with it.  It sure makes your numbers look nice too.

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Range Pricing is all about using the MLS to it's fullest. Fact is most properties are sold through the MLS by other Realtors. Since I mostly work with Buyers my job is to get my listings to show up more often on an MLS search. I have made my living by getting other Realtors to show my listings. When using RP the low price is the list price in the MLS. So it only makes sense that the listing will show up more often and usually in the number one position. For example. A Realtor is searching for 4 bedroom homes over 1700 sq ft. In my market there may be 400 or 500 of these right now priced anywhere from $245,000 to $299,000.

If I have listed a 4 bedroom with 1750 sq ft that's market value is, let's say $250,000. Pricing it normally, you may list it at $255,000 to leave a little room for negotiating. If a Realtor pulled a search your listing will be buried in the pack with all the other homes that are priced "properly". Because of this it is just one of many and may or may not get shown. If I "Range Priced" the same listing from $239,000 to $259,000 with $259,000 being afull price offer, my listing will get entered into the MLS at $239,000. Because of this my listing will be first on the list and will definitely get shown. If a buyer is looking for a house that has 4 bedrooms and over 1700 sq ft, he will look at my listing. My house is priced right. Maybe he offers $239,000 maybe he offers less. The fact of the matter is none of the other homes will sell for less than $245-4250 either, so if this is the size of home he wants he will have to pay the price. The deal will negotiate in the $248-$250 price which is exactly what the sellers wants.   

The biggest difference is he saw my listing. And my listings are always clean, priced right and ready to be sold. 

When I list a home one of the things I go over with the seller is a printout of every active listing similar to his arranged by price. I print this out in a grid list(one line). There could be hundreds of them. Together we come up with a range where his house will be in the first 5 properties on the list. If you do this I gaurantee you you will get more showings on your listing.  

4:02pm • #18
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Jon, your statement "the low side was still overpriced" is exactly why a lot of Realtors do not use RP successfully. No matter how a home is listed, pricing properly is still paramount to getting a home sold. RP does not take the pressure off of pricing the home right. I am an expert on pricing and that teamed with RP is why my homes sell. Not one or the other, it must be both. Good observation Jon.
4:08pm • #19
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"A Few Observations"

Hubby: Broker Bryant this turned out EXCELLENT. Sorry...You did not mention we had a multiple. As you know I pay a lot more attention to the bank account than our multiples offers. It is that whole puddin' thing!

Do You Feel Like Your Banging Your Head Up Against That Wall Yet? I bet!

Let's go visit New York...Very pretty in the winter...Lots of lights...Very shiny!

Bait And Switch: I was waiting for that one...Yipee...Yup that's right bait and switch and then Blessed by The Florida Real Estate Commission...Hmmm! My Goodness.

Out of this group: Someone totally gets it. Yipee...Sell that house get paid...Go shopping...Pay bills...Start saving for Christmas. Have fun trying something different...Stock up on SOLD riders you're gonna need them. Yipee.

More Exposure: Oh yes! A Buyer can almost always come up with a little more money for  that nicer house. Everyone wins. Yipee.

Priced Within A Range: Now we're talking. All homes are priced within a Range from $1 to whatever it is worth. Sorry folks we do not...will not...never have...will never...as in forever...list overpriced homes. We pass them on to someone else six months later we get that listing! The Seller's are usually worn down by then...They have had only 3 showings in 6 months. And of course they are tired of looking at that Real Estate sign in their yard. Yipee...it is now time to get their home sold with Range Pricing combined with reality!   

Thoughts from "A Realtor Friendly Realtor" Company! Home on the Range at The Tutas Towne Empire.

TLW "The Lovely Wife"...Kum La Ka Lakka...ROAR!

5:14pm • #20
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okay okay okay.  I think I get it now.  I have a very thick head and know you are on the right track, just a little slow to understand:)  Thanks for the great information, I think I will go back to all my seller's and suggest the change... any advice on how to do that?
6:16pm • #21
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Marguerite, Why not print out this post and say let's try this? That may work. Remember you and your seller are a team, try someting new together.
6:21pm • #22
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OK, BB when is the book coming out? I'm still waiting! Please include this one when you start writing:)

The M&M's

6:30pm • #23
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"The Lovely Ladies"

Candy who wants M&M's? Yummy

Good to see you back. Yipee!

I will put you on the list of those who will get a discount on "The Book"

TLW "The Lovely Wife"...Kum La Ka Lakka...ROAR!

7:28pm • #24
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Coming to NY for the winter huh?  I would NY learn you guys and we could throw a debate or two around..
7:34pm • #25
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Christine, I have never been to NY. I bet we could have a good time though. I would have to protect you and TLW. If the two of you got together NY would be in big time trouble!
7:40pm • #26
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"The Lovely Christine"

Nothing more beautiful than NY at Christmas time...Lots of Lights...Very Shiny! I'll bring a list of topics that I know would p--s you off. That would be fun!

"Broker Bryant"

You are weird sometimes I am harmless...And aside from that Christine could kick my...ahem...Butt!

TLW "The Lovely Wife"...Kum La Ka Lakka...ROAR!

7:51pm • #27
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LOL - you might be right!
7:51pm • #28
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When you get numbers like this you can tell your clients you are worth your fee.
8:01pm • #29
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I just got two new listings today...they agreed to range price. These are both "higher end" though. Quick question... I noticed in a lot of your examples that you seem to RP the home 10K below and 10K above the "traditional market value". 

How does that range differ the higher or lower the home price is? For example: homes priced in the low 100s (we still have those here), range priced from $110K - $130K represents a little over an 8% difference from the middle of $120K. Whereas a home rp at $490K-$510K is only 2%.

What do you do or is it different for each property? 

10:39pm • #31
Another great post Bryant!  I really like your analogy.
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07
2006
Great analogy Bryant.  I bought one of your shiny $2.15 er's about 7 years ago.  Considering your range pricing I would guesstimate that now we would be range pricing it at $5.35 to $5.55  Tempting but maybe later!
Ron Withers
4:59am • #33
As a on to the above post.  That $1.95 toy car section was ok....featuring standard equipment. But look at this one setting next to it at $2.15, fully equipped with a few extra bells and whistles and my favorite color too!  Honey we can bite the bullet just a little can't we...huh, huh, pretty please with a little sugar on it?  Thanks honey, you are the greatest!
Ron Withers
5:22am • #34
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"Ron"

This is Broker Bryant's Wife. :> Don't tell these Guys my name okay...They like not knowing. A little Ghost Writing here.

Really good to read you! We hope all is going well!

Folks this is Ron Withers...He bought one of our Range Priced homes...As you can see he likes his house it was nicer than the ones he was looking at in the bottom of the Range. It was also a good investment!

We have a testimonial right here on a Range Priced Blog.

Ron, I am going to write a Blog about your closing...Remember all that. I do...I will give you the heads up when I wite it. It should be pretty interesting. Not to mention funny.

Keep well...As Always_______aka TLW, Misty and Barbie...Go figure!

TLW "The Lovely Wife"...Kum La Ka Lakka...ROAR!

5:39am • #35
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Hi Robert, Most of the homes in my market are very similar in price so I usualy just go 10 either way. I would adjust the range if the houss was close to 100, to someting like 95-105. There are some properties I do not RP price at all, if they are in a real hot area and don't need it. On a 500 house I would probably go 20 on each side. The biggest consideration for me is that he low figure will make to property show up in the top 5 lowest priced for similar homes. My goal is to get the #1 position if possible.

Good luck on your new listings

7:43am • #36

Bryant, I've read all your posts on this subject and gathered more from TLW's additional information. I'll admit I had a hard time wrapping my head around it at first. Oddly enough I woke up around 3:00 this morning and I finally 'got it'.

You and TLW are very generous sharing your knowledge and experience. I'm going to RP a new listing today. Whatever the result, it is always good to step out of one's comfort zone occasionally.

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Tracy, good morning. Good luck with your new listing. Give it try what the heck! Remember o put your target price in the middle and the low price is the list price. Prepare to be amazed out how quickly your new listing will start getting showings and offers. Let me know how it works out.
9:30am • #38

Hi there, TLW!

All is fairly well. I woke up this morning and my feet hit the floor, another amazing day here on God's Green Earth! Good to hear from you and read some of your posts.  Ah, I remember that day oh so well! I look forward to your story telling!

Folks, I am a mortgage broker and not a Realtor and Bryant's concept sinks in to the bone with me. I cannot comprehend any argument with it.....but that's me.

For those of you still trying to wrap your head around this Range Pricing Concept......a recommendation for something that really helps me.  I do some of my best thinking in my car travelling down the open road...no real distractions other than occassional crazy drivers.  Grab yourself a cup of coffee, tea or a cold soda and jump in your car and try to find a stretch of scencic road. Open your mind up and let it do its thing!

Ron Withers
10:15am • #39
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Thanks Byrant, that's about what I figured.
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"Ron"

That's right...Grab God's resources and drive...I Love It!

Really good to hear from you to. Thanks for being there when we need you! Glad you are enjoying my posts!

I am pleased to see I have your Blessing on the story about your Closing from Hell...Guys it was not our fault...Had some confused people involved. I will post about it soon!

Gotta wrap my head around "how in the world do I shorten this story down to a Blog"...I can do it...I know I can.

Ron please take care. Really nice "box chatting" with you! See you soon...

TLW "The Lovely Wife"...Kum La Ka Lakka...ROAR!

11:10am • #41
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"Tracy"

Good for you! Excellent It makes me very happy to see someone step out of the box!

Stock up on SOLD riders...You're going to need them! Yipee.

Remember we are just an e mail away if you need help!

TLW "The Lovely Wive"...Kum La Ka Lakka...ROAR!

11:17am • #42
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Broker Bryant...

Do you have any kind of hand out you give clients about Range Pricing?

1:33pm • #43
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Marguerite, I don't but you could probably make one with all the info I have posted recently. I don't spend more than a couple of minutes discussing RP with my sellers. I guess I'm just so use to using it I never have an issue with it.
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I love this idea!  Can you give us an example or two of how you describe the range in the MLS?  Would "Seller accepting offers between $150 and $200K on this oceanfront property in Arizona" suffice?  (You get my drift :)

I would also assume this would need to be approved by state correct?  Would hate to see anyone break any rules??!!

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Sue, the first line of comments must say:

This property is Range Priced. THe seller will consider all offers between $150,000 and $180,000 with $180,000 being a full price offer.

This wording is exact. The low price is the MLS list price. There is no reason why the State would have a problem with this. You might want to check with your MLS though. There are additional links in my post that will give you more information. Or put range price in the blog search window. I have written several posts about this. 

5:28pm • #46
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Thanks Bryant!  Will check with the two states I'd use as well as yoru additional posts.  Truly appreciate your help!!
7:26pm • #47
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Great analogy... but why did you send him only $2.00? If "range pricing" is so great- couldn't you afford to throw in a fiver??

jk... :) 

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Great post. Just getting a chance to read it since someone, who shall remain nameless, highjacked my laptop after his was stolen. I have a question though, have you ever run into any issues with the List Price/MLS? I know you said that you disclose this in the remarks section, but didn't know if it was ever an issue. There have been several AR blogs recently about misleading prices related to auctions that are listed in the MLS and the remarks note that it is an auction. I was just curious if this was something that you had run into?

I really like the concept. I think that it is something that we can use for clients that want their listings to standout and are willing to accept a true market price on their property but don't want to go the auction route.  Thanks for all the insight.

 

8:09pm • #49
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2006
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Melissa, Our MLS is set up for Range Pricing. The rules and regs state that any figure within the range can be used as the list price.

Tell Hubby to give you your computer back.

7:25am • #50
BB- In California, we have been using range pricing for years. Both buyers and sellers are so used to it that on that rare occassion I suggest a fixed list price would be a better strategy, they argue with me! Great post. I am going back to my blog to link. :)
Kris Berg
10:19am • #51
I heard about your blog through Kris Berg, she recently enlightened me about the whole bolg thing.  I spent most of yesterday reading hers and am convinced now that this is both educational and ENTERTAINING - as a marketer for the real estate industry, this has given me a new perspective on this profession.  Thanks - great story.
Lori Brookes
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Glad I read this post before linking to the Real Estate Carnival this week. Don't want to share this one with any of my fellow Central Ohio agents (that aren't AR readers of course)

 

12:17pm • #53
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another great post. You have mastered the art of pricing Bryant and sharing your thoughts is very helpful.
12:56pm • #54
Our MLS (in the Bay Area) only has one field for the price, so the only place to put in a price range (which is very uncommon in our area) is in the comments.  Does your MLS have specific fields for "minimum price considered" and "list price"?
Kevin
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Kevin, we have a place for list price and low price. However, since my list price is the low price the fields have the same number in them. The true range is in the comments.
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Congratulations on your big win with this one!  You earned it.
6:59pm • #57
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"The Lovely Wife Here"

Hey Hunnee...Where is our are Trophies?

I can't find them...I have looked everywhere!

TLW "The Lovely Wife"...Kum La Ka Lakka...ROAR!

7:38pm • #58
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2006
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 ferris wheel Congratualtions on the carnival.  Very good blog entry.  I have never seen range pricing explained so well.
12:42am • #59

i'm going shoot this range pricing thing to my sellers.. i'll let you know what comes from it. If the one that is stagnent sells before Christmas, you can expect a gift in the mail (like a box of chocolates).

by the way, i will be retiring this email account. maybe the NYer girl wants it? good for a boy and a girl..

and I liked the wife's comments on her blog, but couldnt comment cause i'm nota memeber of the club! :^O

BIG nick

nick
5:57pm • #60
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11
2006
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WOW, you must do some traing with the sellers to let them know how to do the negoations. I know you will do training anyway, but this sounds extra. I hope the inside of the home has been staged for the quick sale.
9:06am • #61
Okay Bryant... Terri Stuthers here. My broker shot down the price ranging way back when we first talked about it. I'm at my wits end in this market on some of my listings that should have sold by now. I just met with one seller and she agreed to let me try it. So, I am going to give it a whirl... I probably should have just done it from the beginning.... Your wife is a Beauty BTW!!
Terri Stuthers
11:33am • #62
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Hi Terri, Great  to hear from you. Hey go sell your listing and give your Broker a check that will change his mind! And yes TLW is lovely.
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Hear that hun...I'm a beauty...And you thought I was just Lovely...HA...Can I go shopping...Thank you Terri!:>

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12
2006

If you RP with the bottom priced house the "hook", and the buyer goes for the "hook" and wants and additional 10% off.  what do you say? Sorry, that's the "walk away price...but for 20% more we can look at the next house in line in the RP listed houses that I pulled up for you?

At that point the buyer may become your proctologist using your "list" as the "exploratory tool"!!

L. Raymond
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Hi L Raymond. RP is a proven technique that I have been using for years. My listings, even at the middle of the range price, are still the best value around and Buyers can see that. If not, I say "next". I work for Sellers not Buyers. In 12 years of doing this I have had very few Buyers that didn't get it. Buyers want a good house for a good price. If I can provide that, they will buy it.

In fact, in many cases, if the property was not RP, the Buyer would not have had the opportunity to even see the house and would have missed out on the perfect house for them. So in reality, it's all good.

Thanks for the comment. If you ever need to sell a house, give me a call. I will sell it quickly and for top dollar and then your perception of RPing will completely change.

  

6:51pm • #66
OCT
14
2006
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Hey Bryant, noticed this post even got a mention on Trulia's blog :)

http://www.truliablog.com/?p=51

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Hey Matt, I guess that's got to be a good thing! Thanks for pointing it out.
11:42am • #68

What a crock.  In the previous five years, anything would work to the advantage of the seller so the pudding-proof is meaningless.  This range-pricing nonsense will get you nowhere in the current market. Adults buying houses are not like kids wanting toy cars. Come back to earth.  

 

 

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I really hate it when people post with out a name. But thats OK. I use RP exclusively and sell 40-60 houses a year with no issues. So obviously it works. But hey, I'm not here to defend it, just explain it. To each his own. Thanks for reading.
7:47pm • #70
OCT
15
2006
I agree with the other comment about not working in NY and not seeing a worth comparison with the story.  Property should be priced in the correct price range.  It is up to the clients to see what they want and are willing to pay extra for.  The best staged home in a price range will in fact get the offer and will in fact be sold faster.  That's the Shiny car part of the story.  To con someone who puts in an offer at the asking price and then say,"Sorry, we are waiting to get more money than asking for this property"(which happens) is cruel and unusual. I have clients who that happened to and they had more than enough money to pay more, they walked away insulted.  In high end markets like NYC, clients do not mind overpaying, THEY want to be the one who says what the will overpayfor.  www.placeEasy.com , insider.readyg.com 
NYCJanet
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Hi NYCJanet,

Range pricing is fully disclosed prior to a buyer looking at a property. No one is bing "conned" into anything. I do agree every market is different. In my market, central Floirda, Range prcing is a very common and accepted way of pricing property. In Range Pricng the asking price is NOT the low figure in the Range the TOP price is full asking price. The bottom figure in the range is nothing more than a starting point. And again all of this is fully disclosed in writing BEFORE the buyer looks at the property. If the buyer is not comfortable with it, then very simply, he doesn't have to look at the property.

No matter how often people "don't get it" or argue that it doesn't work, bottom line is it does work. And works everyday. In fact now that the market has slowed it works even better. No tricks, no bait and switch, no conning just a different way of exposing a property to the consumer. It really is a very simple pricing strategy. It is not as complicated or difficult as people make it out to be.

Anyway, your comments are very much appreciated. And like I've always said, it's not for every body or every market. In my market it works great and I will continue to use it and get my sellers the highest amount of money in the least amount of time. After all thats what they pay me to do. The buyer's and the buyer's Realtor's misunderstanding or lack of wanting to understand are really just not my concern. 

After the comment below was posted, from someone unlike youself, who chose not to leave a name, I went back into my records and did al ittle more research, only to find out that my last 50 sales, have averaged 39 days on market in a market where the average is 89. So what can I say. The proof IS in the puddin". Here are his comments. 

What a crock.  In the previous five years, anything would work to the advantage of the seller so the pudding-proof is meaningless.  This range-pricing nonsense will get you nowhere in the current market. Adults buying houses are not like kids wanting toy cars. Come back to earth.

Fortunes are made from people thinking out of the box. Again, I appreciate you reading and commenting. If you have time, please feel free to read through my blog, it will give you a good idea of how I conduct my business. You will be able to clearly see that conning someone is the last thing I would ever do.

5:40pm • #72
OCT
22
2006

Bryant - thanks for all the info on RP in this blog. It's not used widely here in MA, and when it's used it is not consistent.  Your explanation is the first that has made sense to me.  Below is a recent experience with this technique:

I have buyers who saw a house they liked at an OH and wanted to make an offer.  It's listed in MLS at $369900, has been advertised at that price, and that was the price they were told at the OH.  The agent notes, however, show a range of $369900 to $399900.  OK, but the problem is that it doesn't comp even at the low end (an almost identical house in the same neighborhood sold in July for $325000, and the market has not improved since then. 

We made an offer - under the low end of the range based on comps, which I identified in the fax cover page; the seller came back with a counter of $399,000 and the agent tells me they're firm on that.  This house has been on the market for 5 months now and probably won't be going UAG this week.

In this case, I think the agent has used RP as a gimmick to get the listing and has not done any of the seller education you have mentioned (nor has she done a good job with this seller on pricing to sell!). 

My opinion - without an accepted framework that is followed by LAs,  RP marketing won't work  (good pricing also helps).  It can open negotiations, but when the seller won't budge it's a waste of time.

 

TaylorMA
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Taylor, Even if a property is RP it still must be priced right. An overpriced listing will never sell no matter how it is priced. It is important for this technique to work, that he middle of the range is the true market value of the property. If not, it is just another overpriced listing.

I took a listing 2 weeks ago that had been on the market for 6 months with another Realtor at $225,000. When I pulled comps it actually was priced OK. Since the market has slowed I suggested to the seller that a selling price of $219,000 would get it sold quicker. He agreed. We RP from $209,000 to $229,000. The Realtors have been knocking the doors down showing the property. After 7 days on the market we recieved an offer of $195,000. We countered at $220,000. The buuyers really wanted the house and countered at $208,000. We did the deal at $215,000.

In this case the buyers were looking to spend around $200,000. Their Realtor only searched up to $210,000. My listing would have never shown up priced normally. The buyers saw it, loved it and came up with another $15,000 that they were not planning on spending.  It was the best house they had seen by far and was exactly what they were looking for. The seller is happy  and the buyers are thrilled they are getting more house than they thought they would. After 6 months on the market with very few showings I was able to put it pending after 10 days at close to what the seller wanted.

I've accomplished this hundreds of times. But it must be priced right.

6:09pm • #74
NOV
27
2006

Bryant - I am a buyer in S.Cal and I am completely turned off by VRP.  It may make your job as a seller agent easier, but it leaves a bad taste in my mouth as a buyer.  I think most buyers know their ceiling and will search listings above their optimal price and up to their max price.  Its a buyers market and I expect to make an settle around or below the asking price.  In a sellers market, the opposite would be true. 

If the seller is not willing to consider an offer at the low price in their listing, then they are wasting my time and I do not appreciate it.  Its already hard enough to afford this area, being enticed with a VRP only to find that the actual asking price is too high adds insult to injury.  I will do my best to avoid VRP properties (Buyers have so many choices right now) and go for traditional price properties.  I will feel much better about the final sale price we negotiate and will feel better about the purchase overall.

John R.
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Hi John, Interesting comments. I think it's all about perspective and of course having the house priced properly to begin with. Correct me if I'm wrong, but as a buyer, if you were looking at homes that were same size and basically the same area, and they were priced from let's say $200,000 TO $225,000, and my listing was Range Priced from $185,000 to $205,000, would you not buy it at $195,000 if it were indeed worth every penny and maybe even a little nicer? Would you really pass on it just because of the way it was priced? Now remember the Range is fully disclosed prior to looking at the house.

I'm just curious. Obviously the Range Pricing may turn some folks off. But in reality it does work. I know in your area "Drama Pricing" was very common during the boom.  That's pricing a property well below market value in order to create a bidding war. Real Estate is a very local market and not all techniques would work in all areas. RP is quite common in my market and buyers really don't have a problem with it. But it really gets down to pricing. Most properties will sell at market value no  matter how they are priced. RP just gives the property a little more exposure in the MLS. More exposure creates more showings and a quicker selling time. For Sellers it's a great technique.

If you were working with me as a buyer. I would take the time to explain the RP and let you know that he Seller is probably looking for a selling price near the middle of the Range. That way you could make an informed decision about whether or not you would want to see the property. If handled this way by a Realtor, that knows what they are doing, your expectations for the property would be different and you may very well want to take a look at it. Its all about presentation.

Thanks for the comment and I really appreciate you visiting my blog.

5:04pm • #76
DEC
05
2006

Hello, I am not a real estate agent but after reading about your range pricing I wanted to comment. I use the MLS in my area to search for a new home so I may be able to offer a view from the other side.

The whole range price concept is very simple. You use the range so that the low end price will show up in the MLS searches as the list price, thereby giving you more exposure for a certain type of house at a lower price point. I have a problem with this, it is a deliberate DECEPTION. You may say that because of your disclaimer that it makes it all well and good, and I admit that when the disclaimor is read it does clear it up SOMEWHAT, but at that point you have already gained the benefit from your deception (the benefit being that your phony list price has put your house on more buyer agents MLS search lists for their clients).

Here is the other thing. Say I like one of the homes with your range pricing and I make an offer for the low price. You of course will not accept that offer, ok, say it happens again and again. The problem is, that offer will never be accepted. So, in fact, that low price range is a LIE. Plain and simple.

Now, with the disclaimer, and the fact that the seller reserves the right to accept or deny any offer, what you are doing is legal. Ok, but I ask you, just because it is legal does that make it ETHICAL? I don't think so.

It seems some of the agents are having trouble understanding your range pricing. Maybe I can explain it a little better for them, here goes:

Take your listing and submit it in the MLS with a listing price that is BELOW whatever the market is so that it will seem like a deal and be included in more search results (more search results, more traffic). Then throw a disclaimer in there on the actual listing stating what the real listing price is.

One last thing, have you thought about what would happen if all the real estate agents started using your range pricing? The integrity of the MLS would be destroyed. Whose to say that agents wouldn't start increasing the range in their range pricing so that they could beat eachother in the lists. Just because you limit your range to 5 or 10% either way doesn't make it right. Maybe somebody will come along and range it 20 or 30%. Search results would be become useless, see the problem here??

Ryan from California
4:36pm • #77
DEC
09
2006
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Bryant, Thanks for the post and taking the time to ensure that the concept is clearly understood. It is all about the marketing! On the other hand, the concept does not need defending. It is not new and as was stated Prudential used PVRM in the northeast some time ago in a similar type of market. You have to get out of the box, to be in the game!
6:54am • #78
DEC
12
2006

Wow...I've been in real estate for a year and no one has ever mentioned such.  I understand the principle, it's like reverse pricing.  This may work good in the buyers market we're in currently.  I keep dropping the price on this sweet shiny '91 ranch, it's priced $5.00 per sq ft less than the rest and I get 2 or 3 showings a week but no offers yet, but we currently have over a 7 month inventory of homes here in Clark County!  I really appreciate the info...good blog, I don't think it's bait and switch just good marketing!

 

10:49pm • #79
JAN
13
2007
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Bryant, thanks for the informative blog.  I've had my license for a year and a half and never understood RP because no one ever explained it to me that way.  In my head, it was just "HUH?"  Now I understand it and agree that the home must be priced right to begin with.  Your stats speak for themselves.  Thanks to you and your lovely wife for being so generous with the information you share with the rest of us.  I loved the Realcar.com bit!  I was truly laughing out loud with that one.

Like Ines, I am in Miami and have never seen RP in any of the searches I've ever done.  It's not used that frequently here.  If I were to attempt to use this technique and use it responsibly I'd need to know this:  If I use the Low Range Price as the List Price, is that the number that will show up on Realtor.com?  I've never seen anything about ranges mentioned on there.  Because I am targeting the consumer on Realtor.com and not fellow agents with access to all the MLS comments, I would have to think this one through.

Thanks for the great blogs.  It's like having my own mentor  :-)

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Hi Maggie, I'm not sure about Realtor.com. RP is really more of a MLS tool than anything else. I think Realcar I mean Realtor.com uses the list price which would be the low price but if the remarks are displayed it would show the range. Thanks for reading. I'm glad my posts are helping you, that's what it's all about.
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Hello Bryant and Maggie - Our local MLS has a section for Range Pricing and it does appear on the MLS, but the function has not been working property and although the board says they are working on it, it's been a couple of months and nothing has happened.  I use the lowest price on the List price and then do the remarks.  I was able to RP a condo property this week and sent the customer Bryant's post to explain it.  Thanks again Bryant.
8:32am • #82
FEB
26
2007
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Bryant,

You linked me here so I'm late to the party.  I was surprised to see that you didn't respond to Ryan from California.  Pretty strong language from that boy!

I think this idea is very interesting, hadn't heard of it before, not being used in Iowa that I'm aware of.  How has it been going with this since you wrote about it in October?  Has the slow down of the winter months and holidays impacted your stats?  Do you do anything differently now with RP?

Thanks,

Lucky :)

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Lucky, business in my area is way down BUT I have been doing very well. My listings and closing are up. I've always been pretty steady with my business, not to many ups and downs. RPing works great. I didn't respond to Ryan because really I have beat this topic to death. Ryan's a good guy. He responds on my posts occasionally. He actually does get RPing he just doesn't like it. His opinion would change if he were on the selling side. 
7:10am • #84
MAR
16
2007
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Thanks Bryant for your explanation.  I am getting to understand why and how price ranging is done and being curious I did a search in my MLS to find out what properties sold for that were marketed as range pricing.   I did find some that sold for under the lowest range so this and others could have been sitting while the price range changed lower.  I also think marketing a house with a price range of $50,000 if a lot of money for a buyer to come up with so the buyer can't afford the house because they are already looking at the higher priced homes.  Maybe a little kid can ask for his parents for 15 cents for a toy but how realistic is it to ask a buyer to come up with another $200 - $300 a month  to pay a mortgage when they are already maxed out.

This is something I am just learning about so I do appreciate your time.

Thanks again,

Suzanne  

 

1:25pm • #85
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Suzanne, RPing will definitely not work in every market. My market's average price is $225,000. Normally my range is $10,000 to $20,000. The advantage to my sellers is more exposure for the property. It's gets buyer through the door. Plus I have been doing it for so long that REALTORS(R) know my homes are RPed. Makes it easier. If I list a home at $190,000 to $210,000 trying to get $200,000 I will get much more traffic than a property listed at $205,000 trying to get $200,000. For me and my market it works great. 
1:37pm • #86
MAY
05
2007
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Very interesting analysis of a very important pricing strategy.

One thing you need to add to your "little Bobby" analogy is that "little Alvin" was given larger gift:  $2.50 for his birthday.  He is also interested in the same shiny car.  Little Alvin has been wanting that very model for a long time.  He is willing to pay more than Bobby, and will bid up the price, without Mr Sell A. Lot ever having to negotiate with Bobby as you desribed.

 

9:04pm • #87
MAY
09
2007

Little boys don't buy houses, adults do!  Also, if the proof was in the pudding every agent would be doing it.  In todays market, this strategy is horrible.  We tried it and every offer we had was 10% below the low end of the range.  Nobody wants to negotiate when there are literally a thousand other houses for sale in same city that are willing to drop their house prices to save their butt because of poor loan choices.  It's like asking a kid to pay five dollars for their favorite vanilla ice cream, but they can also have their second favorite strawberry ice cream for one dollar.  Try that analogy...

Seller
6:31pm • #88
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Hey Seller, Thanks for stopping by. It really depends on your market and whether or not the pricing strategy is being used properly. In my market it certainly works. I have about 400 sellers who will vouch for that. BUT markets ARE very local, so what works in Poinciana Fl may not work in your area.. But I disagree that if it worked every agent would be doing it. That is certainly not true. Most folks are in a box and choose to remain there. Thanks for stopping by and reading. Your comments are appreciated.

 

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Bryant,

I don't know how you do it!  You must have the patience of a saint!  When will you run out of cheeks to turn?

Lucky :)

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Hey Bryant,

    I haven't responded to this in a while, but just wanted to reiterate your comments that Real Estate is LOCAL. As you may remember I asked a ton of questions about RP and I implemented it in my area with all of our listings. I searched our entire MLS database for solds, Xpireds etc to see a history of RPing and there were only 3 properties attempted to be sold that way back in 1998 or so...and they didn't sell.

    At first I thought we were getting a few more visits, however long story short, after 6 months of trying to use it I had to abandon it. I still think it's a fantastic idea, but I don't have the time to educate all the agents in the area on it. So when it came down to it, I was told from some friends with other agencies that they had heard around their office that they wouldn't even show the property because they felt we'd be difficult to deal with since we had some "newfangled" selling method.

    But that's what AR is about. Sharing ideas and testing out some stuff to see what works & what doesn't. If it doesn't, move on to the next idea until the niche is found. That seller sounds disgruntled, as if it's RPing fault his house didn't sell. Besides if everyone were doing it then the top agents would find something else to do that'd work, and in some areas seller can't "...drop their house prices to save their butts..." even if they wanted to, so thinking outside the box is the only way to sell these types sometimes.  

10:13pm • #91
MAY
28
2007
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Hi Bryant -

Just wondering if you know of anyone else using VRP successfully?

Interesting concept - thanks for sharing.

7:41pm • #92
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Debbie there are a few other Brokers in my area that use Range Pricing. One owns a very large Coldwell Banker office. It is a very successful technique but rare.
8:09pm • #93
DEC
12
2007

your analogy is really not analogous.  the shop owner had no intention of ever selling the car for the low price, it was purely bait and switch, mainly because there is no way to differentiate an "offer" on the toy car other than with price (as you did not state that there were other factors such as cash vs. credit, pay now vs. layaway, etc., that could differentiate an "offer" for the toy car.  the shop owner never said anything to the boy about how he could have had the car at a lower price, and the boy never mentioned other terms that might get him the car for the low end of the range.  With real estate it may be that a seller will actually accept something at the low end of the range if the other elements of the offer are favorable for the seller, like all cash, quick close, long close, or other elements that the seller really values.

having said that, if the buyer's agent is worth his salt (and many, many are not in my experience), range pricing should not matter, buyer's agent should advise on market value regardless of fixed price, range price or no price mentioned by seller, particularly in this market.  oh, i forgot, your local market is different than the rest of the country.  oops.

buyer
3:11pm • #94
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Well you nailed it on the head with this statement.

"having said that, if the buyer's agent is worth his salt (and many, many are not in my experience), range pricing should not matter, buyer's agent should advise on market value regardless of fixed price, range price or no price mentioned by seller, particularly in this market"

Range pricing is nothing more than a technique to get more folks through the door. From there....let's negotiate. The list price has NOTHING to do with the negotiated sales price. It is nothing more than a suggestion. My technique is all about exposure.

3:18pm • #95
DEC
20
2007

ok, another question for you:  has a seller of yours or others you may know worked with a potential buyer (i.e. countered) that wrote an initial offer that was below the low end of the range?

same buyer
4:05pm • #96
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My sellers will counter all offers. We negotiate just like we would any other offer. I have had sellers who have  accepted offers below the range. The RPing is just to get buyers through the door. From there, make us an offer. Hope this helps
4:10pm • #97
JAN
11
2008
This technique might work on little Bobby, but in today's market anybody older than 12 or so can see that Mr Sell A. Lot's store has little toy cars piled up as high as the ceiling and he hasn't sold one in months.  If little Bobby's mom lets him go back to that store at all she's going to take $.50 out of Uncle Broker Bryant's gift, put it aside for Bobby and tell Bobby to offer Mr. Sell A. Lot $1.50 for that toy car. 
GeneK
4:36pm • #98
FEB
19
2008

Many of my sellers want to be sure that they stay "within range". They will counter if the offer is out of range but might be more flexible once they see that the buyer is ready to back out.

Jay

 

9:24pm • #99
MAR
18
2008

I am a broker from MA.  I would like to hear your response to Ryan from CA.  I find the entire package to be deceptive.  I agree with Ryan that the disclaimer might make it legal, it does NOT make it ETHICAL.

2 cases.

Case 1: Buyer looking at RP new construction advertised with stainless, granite and all the toys is told that for the middle of the range she does not even get carpets let alone the goodies.  How does that help sell the property. The Seller will not sell for the bottom af the range, it is a lie.

Case 2:  RP on a "distressed property" in our neck of the woods is 249,900 to 299,900.  Buyer searching up to 250 sees this property and has legitimate interest only to find out they are 50K (17%) away from accepability.  How does this help?  It leaves the Buyer "with a bad taste in their mouth" as John R said.

I think tomorrow I'll RP all my listings from $1.00 to $8,000,000.00.  I'll be on top of every search whether I belong there or not.

Dan Thibeault
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Hi Dan, Thanks for stopping by. It works and is neither illegal or unethical. It's just different. Don't complicate it. It really is nothing more than a technique to get people to look at the property more often. If you were a seller that would be a good thing. Wouldn't it? The key of course is it still has to be priced realistically with the target price in the middle. The seller may very well sell for the bottom price, or less. We are not dictating an acceptable price. We are just inviting folks to make an offer. If you really want to get technical ALL properties are range priced form $0 to list price. All I'm doing is narrowing the range that already exist.

In your second scenario the range is too wide and if the seller wouldn't even consider $249,900 then is it not priced properly. That is not a reflection on whether or not Range pricing would work but is a reflection of an agent not pricing properly. 

In your first scenario....builders will rarely sell the fully loaded property for the advertised price. Have you ever sold a KB Home? Their base price doesn't include anything that's in the house folks see. ALL builders use range pricing in their own way. "Prices starting from the low 200s" Is Range pricing whether they know it or not.

Hope this helps.

5:03pm • #101
APR
09
2008

I too find it deceptive, and I think that things work much differently in other parts of the country.  I'm in New England as well and I have yet to see one RP sell within the range (mostly because I've only seen about 10 or so RP houses on the market here).  Most of the time, I see places languish on the market, then switch realtors, price much lower, and finally sell.

I agree with the poster above - just because it's legal doesn't make it ethical.  If your intent is to NOT take anything less than the higher price, then you are pretty much "creatively" working the system in order to appeal to a wider audience.

To put it in perspective - subprime lending may have been legal, may have helped us sell houses at one point, but was it the right thing to do???

Amy
11:22am • #102
JUN
08
2008

I understood RP back in 2005-2006 at the peak of the market. Now in a depreciating market RP doesn't in most cases reflect the current market. You see homes on the market RP'd, DOM 100 days+ and not selling. Yet the RP never changes. I believe it is our responsibility as real estate practitioners to educate our sellers concerning the market conditions in their area. Showing them the data of what houses are selling for in todays market in relation to what houses were selling for at the peak of the market. When you RP a property and it is not selling in a depreciating when do you drop the price below the RP? Most agents are chasing the market down, and allowing their sellers to chase the market.

Buyers are not putting offers on property unless they see a great deal. From my experiences and talking with other agents buyers tend to stay clear of RP properties, especially after seeing the data on what homes are selling for in the area and the RP not reflecting current conditions. When it states "seller will entertain offers between $$$-$$$ buyers run. I agree with others that RP is very deceptive. 

Pricing the home correctly when it is first listed takes some work, and pricing it without RPing is so much better for the buyer. 

5:51pm • #103
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Eric, RPing will only work if it priced properly. For example: Lets say a home is worth $110,000 and should sell in the $100 to 105 range. Assuming the listing agent is pricing properly it may get priced at $108,000. Now what if instead it was range priced from $99,000 to $109,000 with $99,000 being the list price for MLS purposes. Which property will get more activity?  

Now lets also assume that the buyer is looking at homes in the $100,000 range. My listing of course would show up on a home search where the same house price at $108,000 would not. Not lets also say that while picking out homes to show the realtor notices that not only is my listing superior to the $100,000 homes but it's also exactly what his buyer is looking for. He will more than likely show it. The buyer will like it because it is superior and will make an offer. I don't care where the offer comes in. He can offer $80,000 if he wants. My seller will counter as they would any offer and we try to negotiate a deal. If it's a value at $105,000 that's probably where it will end up.  If it's only worth $95,000 then that's where it will end up. Range pricing has NO effect on market value OR negotiating. However if used properly it will get folks through the door more often. That is the only motive.

Now having said all of that, I only have about 50% of my listings RPed right now. That is certainly due to the current market. But not because the buyers won't look at them but because the sellers are so tight on their mortgages that they just don't have room to negotiate so we need to be very specific on the pricing. And of course it makes no sense to RP a short sale or REO listing.

Thanks for stopping by. I appreciate ALL opinions.

6:11pm • #104
JUN
10
2008

The market has changed alot since this was written.  The market here is better than most due to New York and the train line.  Its still very hard to get sellers to price in the range where they should be in this market. I agree that getting something on paper is a critical starting point.  Anything can happen from there as emotions and conversations get going.

12:53pm • #105
AUG
22
2008

Very interesting concept. Seems ethical to me, as it will state within the listing the information regarding the pricing format.

Do the people who feel otherwise simply read the price and address and head on over?

I say this somewhat tongue in cheek, there are plenty of fields one should read in an MLS listing before taking prospective buyers to a property.

Anything that is unusual should likely be discussed prior to the viewing to save everyone the time. If the buyers don't like the idea of range pricing and feel it is unfair then don't show them the property.

No different than if a home is a Leasehold, let them know, explain the implications and ask if they still want to view the property. They sure would be disappointed after the fact to find the price was so low because they can't buy the land but rather the right to use it for a set period of time...

My thoughts anyways...

7:39pm • #106
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Kye, "Do the people who feel otherwise simply read the price and address and head on over?" Absolutely without a doubt. And normally they didn't find out until after they submitted and offer and we countered!! How scarey is that? Submitting an offer without reading the MLS remarks. Yikes!!!

7:46pm • #107
AUG
30
2008

you are right - this post is a classic.

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BB- You're certainly correct that this topic brings out lively debate. 

At Prudential, we have set ranges for our Value Range Marketing (PVRM.)  Not every property works well in those ranges.  The agents who have been successful with this marketing tool usually find that the final price is somewhere in the middle of the range.  In our local MLS, we have to put the listing  at the higher price.  In the remarks we add, "owner will entertain offers between xxx and xxx."  In this market, that provides a nice parameter for all the buyers who want to low ball every offer. 

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