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Health Care Reform Bill (HR 3200) - My Reading Continues.... Now I'm Mad and Even More Motivated to Finish

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Real Estate Broker/Owner with Austin Texas Homes, LLC 453249

I resumed my reading of HR 3200 over the past day or two, having been bogged down with actual money-making behaviors (imagine that!).  If you would like to see all of my previous posts on this topic, you can visit my site at:

http://IfCongressWontReadItIWill.com

The notes below are for pages 368-434, out of a total 1,017.  The next post should take us to the midway point of the bill.  :) 

Interestingly, my eight-year old daughter announced yesterday that she intends to read the entire unabridged dictionary, which is a mere 2662 (very large) pages with very small font.  Frankly, I believe her, since she is the fastest reader in our house, and we are not slouches around here, believe me.  This was unrelated to my own project - just thought it was supremely cool.

Incidentally, the video below is from Thomas R. Carper, an actual member of the Senate Finance Committee, who said that he has no intention of reading the bill, nor does he think that others can even understand it.  Sorry to burst your bubble, Senator Carper, but some of us are actually reading it, and it's not "incomprehensible" (your word).  Either you need to produce legislation in "plain English" (again, a quote from you), or read the bill before you vote on it.  Anything less is criminal, especially on a topic that has the potential to affect everyone in the United States.  I may need to run for Congress after all, when I see guys like this making a mockery of the process:

 

 

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As I mentioned last time, from here on out, I will provide a glossary of terms that I am learning as I read: 

TELEHEALTH: According to Wikipedia, this refers to the delivery of health-related services and information via telecommunications technologies. Telehealth delivery could be as simple as two health professionals discussing a case over the telephone, or as sophisticated as using videoconferencing between providers at facilities in two countries, or even as complex as robotic technology.

LEP - Limited English Proficient - This is a nice/official way of referring to someone who cannot speak English very well.

ESRD - End-stage renal disease - My mother-in-law passed away from this in May, so we are relatively well-versed about kidney disease and dialysis in our house.

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SEC. 1222. DEMONSTRATION TO PROMOTE ACCESS FOR MEDICARE BENEFICIARIES WITH LIMITED ENGLISH PROFICIENCY BY PROVIDING REIMBURSEMENT FOR CULTURALLY AND LINGUISTICALLY APPROPRIATE SERVICES.

(a) In General- Not later than 6 months after the date of the completion of the study described in section 1221(a), the Secretary, acting through the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, shall carry out a demonstration program under which the Secretary shall award not fewer than 24 3-year grants to eligible Medicare service providers (as described in subsection (b)(1)) to improve effective communication between such providers and Medicare beneficiaries who are living in communities where racial and ethnic minorities, including populations that face language barriers, are underserved with respect to such services. In designing and carrying out the demonstration the Secretary shall take into consideration the results of the study conducted under section 1221(a) and adjust, as appropriate, the distribution of grants so as to better target Medicare beneficiaries who are in the greatest need of language services. The Secretary shall not authorize a grant larger than $500,000 over three years for any grantee.

MY NOTE: I realize that the paragraph above is a big portion of the bill to include, but this is proposing to allocate up to $12 million in grant money to Medicare service providers so that they can hire interpreters (referenced slightly earlier in the bill) for places where there are language barriers.  I don't think I want to help fund this, frankly.  Prepare yourself mentally, because this is going to sound uber-conservative of me to say, but if you are living in the United States, and you want to take advantage of this particular government benefit, shouldn't you be able to speak the language or bring along a friend or family member who does? 

Sorry if that seems harsh, but I guess I have a hard time imagining other countries making provisions for English translators if I were living there and didn't speak the language.  Just an opinion.  I don't think that emergency medical care should be denied to anyone, but I have a tough time supporting this portion, since it deals with Medicare specifically.

 

 Sec. 1222 (i) Authorization of Appropriations- There are authorized to be appropriated to carry out this section $16,000,000 for each fiscal year of the demonstration program.

MY NOTE: This appears at the end of the same section.  This appears to add $16 million more for translation-related services each year, along with the $12 million over three years allocated in part (a).  Yikes!

 

SEC. 1232. EXTENDED MONTHS OF COVERAGE OF IMMUNOSUPPRESSIVE DRUGS FOR KIDNEY TRANSPLANT PATIENTS AND OTHER RENAL DIALYSIS PROVISIONS.

MY NOTE: Generally speaking, this section seeks to extend coverage for patients with end stage renal disease, including immunosuppressive drugs, which help transplant patients (intended to keep their bodies from rejecting the new organs). 

  

SEC. 1233. ADVANCE CARE PLANNING CONSULTATION.`(hhh)(1) Subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), the term `advance care planning consultation' means a consultation between the individual and a practitioner described in paragraph (2) regarding advance care planning, if, subject to paragraph (3), the individual involved has not had such a consultation within the last 5 years.

MY NOTE: Based on what I have seen/heard on the news, this is where the "death panels" comment came from.  Unfortunately, like so much other stuff bandied about by politicians and pundits alike, this innocuous section has turned into something scary by those who haven't taken the time to read the bill.  Basically, this entire section requires physicians (or nurse practitioners) to explain to their patients about the continuum of end-of-life services available, along with the meaning of a living will, durable power of attorney, and more.  It doesn't encourage anyone to take advantage of any of these things, nor does it put the decision making in anyone's hands other than the patient himself/herself.

 `(B) An advance care planning consultation with respect to an individual may be conducted more frequently than provided under paragraph (1) if there is a significant change in the health condition of the individual, including diagnosis of a chronic, progressive, life-limiting disease, a life-threatening or terminal diagnosis or life-threatening injury, or upon admission to a skilled nursing facility, a long-term care facility (as defined by the Secretary), or a hospice program.

`(4) A consultation under this subsection may include the formulation of an order regarding life sustaining treatment or a similar order.

MY NOTE: Clearly, this is an emotional topic, but this doesn't appear to encourage anything that isn't already in place.  When my mother-in-law was very ill a couple of years ago, these topics were addressed, as they should have been.  The same goes for my father, who passed away back in 2005.  When our loved ones are facing the end of their lives, it's a good idea to understand their directives and treatment options, right?  An advance care planning consultation does not imply that someone else is making the call.

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TYPOS/MISTAKES

In Section 1233, under hhh (5)(b)(i), it states, "if a patient is pulse less" - this should read "pulseless".  Better yet, it should say, "if a patient has no pulse".  Just my opinion.

Capitalization error:  In Section 1233, (b)(1) and (b)(3), the word "physician" should be in all caps to match the remainder of the heading.

 

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Comments (22)

Mike Saunders
Retired - Athens, GA

Jason - I believe section 1233 has a clause in it that says the consulting should conform with the states policies. Oregon, and I believe Washington, now, have assisted suicide laws. This basically indicatest that this should, or could, be part of the end of life care dialogue.

However, the Baucus Bill, in the senate, has had about 70 unilateral ammendments inserted, after it came out of committee and before going to the floor for review. That is unconsionable because no one will be able to really read them until it's time to vote!

Oct 08, 2009 11:35 AM
Jane Penttinen
V.I.P. Mortgage - Tucson, AZ
NMLS #222178
The fact that they are rushing this thru without providing time for people to read it - especially after all the ammendments have been thrown in - makes me think they are trying to hide things from us. When people believe they are trying to hide things - everything becomes suspect. I want my representatives to read the bills they vote on!
Oct 08, 2009 12:17 PM
Lina Robertson
AMAX Real Estate - Springfield, MO
REALTOR® Serving Springfield, Nixa and Ozark, MO

The unfortunate truth is that bills often have amendments or acts attached on the back of them moments before being voted on.  Many times, the substance of those amendments are not fully known when the vote actually occurs.  For example, did you know that an amendment was place on the back of the Homeland Security Act that prohibits parents of children who were damaged by mercury used as a preservative in vaccinations from filing suit directly against the manufacturer?  What does this have to do with Homeland Security?  It was later traced to Bill Frist, who ironically received a $873,000 campaign contribution one week after the bill was passed from Eli Lilly, the manufacturer of the vaccinations.  Now...before I start another debate here, let me say:  vaccinations are safe.  I have, and will continue, to allow my son to be vaccinated.  My issue is that they used a substance (Thimerisol) as a preservative that contained 50% mercury in the vaccinations.  It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that lead poisoning will cause neurological deficits in newborns and toddlers.  When asked why Frist included it in the Homeland Security Act, his response was that if these cases were to be upheld, it would wipe out the drug manufacturers and our country would be defenseless if confronted with a biomedical terrorist attack.  That, in itself, is another debate.  But the truth is, things slip through every day that we, the public, and even those on Capital Hill do not take notice of.

By the way....I thought we were shooting for President, but I suppose we can take it in baby steps and start with Congressman.  :)

Oct 08, 2009 01:41 PM
Stephen Kappre
KW Hometown - Mantua, NJ
Helping You Home

"Anything less is criminal" ...  There's no two ways about it. Since the bill is not read by this person(s), then their vote is then based on what other people say ... wow, way to think for yourself !!!

Oct 08, 2009 02:15 PM
John Mulkey
TheHousingGuru.com - Waleska, GA
Housing Guru

Jason - Just another glaring example of why we must have term limits.

Oct 08, 2009 02:20 PM
Jason Crouch
Austin Texas Homes, LLC - Austin, TX
Broker - Austin Texas Real Estate (512-796-7653)

Craig - Thanks so much for your continued support.  :)

Bill - There are plenty of things to disagree with, that's for sure.  However, I think there are some good ideas, too.  Hard not to have both when you have a bill of this size.

Mike - I see your point, and I'm not sure on that, although I know about Oregon's laws, and how those are already impacting people in that state, which seems tragic, frankly.

Section 1233 refers to "an explanation of orders regarding life sustaining treatment or similar orders, which shall include--...`(III) the identification of resources that an individual may use to determine the requirements of the State in which such individual resides so that the treatment wishes of that individual will be carried out if the individual is unable to communicate those wishes, including requirements regarding the designation of a surrogate decisionmaker (also known as a health care proxy)."

This would seem to refer more to life sustaining treatment than to life-ending decisions, as I read it.  What do you think?

Jane - I couldn't agree more.  It seems as though this has been the pattern for some time now, but big issues like health care make people notice more.  Hopefully, this will lead to more accountability, if nothing else.

Lina - I wasn't aware of that one, but it doesn't surprise me, unfortunately.  In fact, very little surprises me when it comes to career politicians these days.  Thanks for sharing that example here, and for your encouragement.  :)

Steve - I was amazed that he admitted that they don't even bother with the text of the bill itself, but rather with someone's Cliff's Notes.  That makes me ill.  Aren't these the people being paid (by our tax dollars) to read legislation that affects the rest of us, who are their constituents? 

John - Agreed.  Thanks for stopping by!

Oct 08, 2009 02:38 PM
Patricia Kennedy
RLAH@properties - Washington, DC
Home in the Capital

Jason, I am in awe of your wading through this piece of legislation.  But keep in mind that it's probably been revised a gazillion times a day.  They take stuff out and put other stuff in, then they mess with it when some lobbyist drops by to say hello.  It's alive!  Then they rely on teenage staffers who read it and tell them what's in it.  That's why they say it's like making sausage.

Oct 08, 2009 02:53 PM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Jason, when you get this all read can you write a one sentence synopsis that I can understand please?:)

Oct 08, 2009 03:01 PM
John Novak
Keller Williams Realty The Marketplace - Las Vegas, NV
Henderson, Las Vegas and Summerlin Real Estate

I can appreciate the Senator's distinction between legislative language and plain English. Looking at our own industry, how many of us go through real estate contracts line by line with our clients or encourage them to read every word before signing? My guess is that most agents just hit the high points and then say "initial here, sign and date here."

Oct 08, 2009 03:02 PM
Loreena and Michael Yeo
3:16 team REALTY ~ Locally-owned Prosper TX Real Estate Co. - Prosper, TX
Real Estate Agents

I applaud you for first post and now this. I should take a more proactive role as it affects me too but I'm not. I am one of those who are doing some money generating activities instead.

Oct 08, 2009 03:07 PM
Jason Crouch
Austin Texas Homes, LLC - Austin, TX
Broker - Austin Texas Real Estate (512-796-7653)

Pat - Thanks so much for your compliment!  I am well aware of the fact that it is a "living document", but I want to understand what is contained therein for my own edification, and to clarify arguments from both sides about what's there. 

Charles - Can the sentence be a really long, run-on sentence?  :)

John - I also understand and appreciate the distinction, but they are not voting on a plain English version, as you and I both know.  To state publicly that this is "incomprehensible" is a sad commentary on our legislative process at best, and an indictment of the senators and representatives themselves at worst.  As for your analogy, I don't expect my clients to read the entire contract, but I sure have, and I bet you have, too.  That being said, we are not being paid to read the new versions of contracts, either - they are thrust upon us.

Loreena - Thanks very much for the supportive words.  I, too, am working on money-generating activities, as I mentioned, but I am committed to finishing this "project" as well.  :)

Oct 08, 2009 03:18 PM
Kate Elim
Dockside Realty - Spotsylvania, VA
Realtor 540-226-1964, Selling Homes & Land a

Hi Jason...Aren't they still making decisions on what bill they will be voting on?  What you are reading may end up being fairly different from what the final version is. 

One of my sons worked on the Hill and these bills are read by staffers.  It is not as though no one knows what is being voted on.  It would be impossible for an one person to read every word of every bill that comes before them.

My son was not a teenager when he worked for Congress. He had a degree in economics from Stanford University and a law degree from Georgetown University with about 10 years of work experience behind him before he took that position.  There are plenty of others like him supporting our Represeentative and Senators.

Business leaders rely on their staff for their input also.  We cannot believe that they know and read every bit of research and information

Oct 09, 2009 12:08 AM
Kate Elim
Dockside Realty - Spotsylvania, VA
Realtor 540-226-1964, Selling Homes & Land a

Hi Jason...Aren't they still making decisions on what bill they will be voting on?  What you are reading may end up being fairly different from what the final version is. 

One of my sons worked on the Hill and these bills are read by staffers.  It is not as though no one knows what is being voted on.  It would be impossible for an one person to read every word of every bill that comes before them.

My son was not a teenager when he worked for Congress. He had a degree in economics from Stanford University and a law degree from Georgetown University with about 10 years of work experience behind him before he took that position.  There are plenty of others like him supporting our Represeentative and Senators.

Business leaders rely on their staff for their input also.  We cannot believe that they know and read every bit of research and information on their

Oct 09, 2009 12:08 AM
Kate Elim
Dockside Realty - Spotsylvania, VA
Realtor 540-226-1964, Selling Homes & Land a

Hi Jason...Aren't they still making decisions on what bill they will be voting on?  What you are reading may end up being fairly different from what the final version is. 

One of my sons worked on the Hill and these bills are read by staffers.  It is not as though no one knows what is being voted on.  It would be impossible for any one person to read every word of every bill that comes before them.

My son was not a teenager when he worked for Congress. He had a degree in economics from Stanford University and a law degree from Georgetown University with about 10 years of work experience behind him before he took that position.  There are plenty of others like him supporting our representatives and senators.

Business leaders rely on their staff for their input also.  We cannot believe that they know and read every bit of research and information on their industry.  Yet they end up making the final decisions.

Kate

Oct 09, 2009 12:09 AM
Krista Fuchs
Prudential Fox & Roach - Exton, PA
Chester County Realtor - (484) 459-8025 - Home Buying and Selling
Jason, you totally rock for reading this! I think any politician that admits they are not going to read this but are going to vote on this should be stoned. I started reading this but it was very easy for me to let life get in the way of finishing. And I think it is sooo sad that we cannot trust our elected officials to read this. You GO Jason!
Oct 09, 2009 01:58 AM
Jason Crouch
Austin Texas Homes, LLC - Austin, TX
Broker - Austin Texas Real Estate (512-796-7653)

Kate - I fully understand that the bill is a living document, but I want to read what the original proposal is, then follow the changes along the way to the best of my ability.

I do appreciate your perspective, and I'm happy to hear that they have knowledgeable staffers reading things for them.  That being said, when the discussion is about overhauling our health care system, it seems prudent to take the time to actually read the bill, or at least the portions of it that are most controversial. 

According to this particular senator, he has zero intention of even looking at the bill, because it is "incomprehensible".  Why is this the case?  Must everything be written in legalese?  He even went on to say that if anyone tells you that they are reading it, they are "pulling the wool over your eyes".  This is preposterous.  If this senator (and probably others) think that NO ONE in the committees is actually reading the entire bill, then why do they feel comfortable voting it into law?

The documents upon which our country is founded were written in plain English, and almost anyone with a sixth grade education can understand them.  The argument in favor of legal language might state that this removes all ambiguity.  Unfortunately, that is also not the case, as evidenced by my own reading of this bill.  There are many vague portions, and things left up to interpretation.  Why not make an attempt to write a version that Joe Average really can understand, rather than all of us trying to depend on Glenn Beck, Bill Maher, Rush Limbaugh, CNN, and Fox News to tell us what it says?

As you probably know, that was the reason that I started this project in the first place.  I was tired of hearing arguments from both sides about this topic, and the refrain, "Have you read the bill?"

In my humble opinion, perhaps they should slow down the rate of legislation if it's simply impossible to read this stuff before voting on it.  I do know that the public perception before this bill came along was that our elected representatives did read what they vote on, because we are all paying them to do this.  My guess is that the bulk of legislation that they see and vote upon will not even affect most of their constituents, but this one is different - it has the potential to affect all of us. 

As for business leaders, I bet most of them have a pretty good grasp of the research and information in their industry.  I have a tough time imagining that Steve Jobs or Bill Gates would make a statement like this guy did in the video above when referring to .  If they did, their stock would plummet.  Frankly, the stock of most representatives of Congress has dropped considerably for me over the past few years.

Oct 09, 2009 03:10 AM
Jason Crouch
Austin Texas Homes, LLC - Austin, TX
Broker - Austin Texas Real Estate (512-796-7653)

Krista - I agree with you wholeheartedly.  This is just plain inexcusable, and it shows a cavalier attitude about his position that is pretty much indefensible.  Kudos to you for even attempting to read this, as you are light years ahead of Senator Carper, who compared it to a credit card statement.

Oct 09, 2009 03:13 AM
Ana Hitzel
AccentPositives Home Staging - Corona, CA
Professional Home Stager Inland Empire

I would vote for you justs for weeding through all this stuff!  Too bad we can't count on our reps to do it.  The amount of money that will be spent is mind boggling, where do people think the money will come from?  With all the money spent on ESL, why are we paying for interpreters in a health care bill too, not surprising sadly. They should be paying for them to interpret this bill.  Thanks for clarifying the "death clause".

Oct 09, 2009 11:48 AM
Jason Crouch
Austin Texas Homes, LLC - Austin, TX
Broker - Austin Texas Real Estate (512-796-7653)

Ana - Thanks very much.  I like your idea about paying translators for the bill - I think we DO pay people to translate this stuff.  They are called "members of Congress".  :)

Oct 10, 2009 04:23 AM
Larry Story ALC
Total Care Realty - Greensboro, NC
Beneath it all is the Land, Covering all of NC

Jason you definitely have my vote and you are THE MAN!  Thank goodness we have bloggers such as yourself.

Oct 12, 2009 02:05 PM