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Property Flipping guidelines extended by FHA , until May 2010!  What does this mean and who does this affect?

What is property flipping?  

No .......it's not flipping your home with another couple as seen in trading spaces on  TLC!

                                                        

FHA GUIDELINES STATE THE FOLLOWING:  

Property flipping is a practice whereby a recently acquired property is resold, often for a considerable profit.


Most property flipping occurs within days or a few weeks of acquisition and usually with only minor cosmetic improvements, if any.


While there is nothing illegal with selling properties within days of acquisition, some of these transactions are fraudulent because the condition of the property is misrepresented and/or the value of it is artificially inflated.

Effective June 9, 2008, FHA temporarily waived the property flipping rule 90-day waiting period, for homes that were foreclosed on and being sold by lenders or by property disposition firms on the behalf of lenders.  

So if you have a property that was purchased by an individual investor,  or investment group, you must must wait 90 days to DO ANYTHING!  We can not order an appraisal or case #, we can't open escrow, order title or apply for the mortgage. You can't even draw up the contract, or do inspections or the buyer will be in jeopardy of losing their deposit. There basically can be no record of any sale during that 90 day timeframe.  

This has become an issue in recent months because of the lack of knowledge of the guidelines along with the anxiousness of all parties involved.   Day 91 is when it can all begin unless the exceptions apply.

We CAN however, apply for the mortgage with a property  "to be determined "and get the buyer PRE-APPROVED. 

 

So keep this in mind when you are putting your deal together and expecting your lender to jump through hoops on day 91 and close in two weeks!

                                          

 

  

The waiver applies to owner occupants only and does not apply to people/entities that purchase foreclosures either singly or in bulk for resale. Subsequent sales of such properties will continue to be subject to the standard regulatory requirements.

 

The temporary property flipping waiver has been extended and FHA will recognize sales agreements on foreclosed properties signed by the seller and buyer on or before May 10, 2010.

 

             Do you want more BORING                      but pertinent facts you MUST know if you encounter a flip     ????

 

The only exceptions to the FHA property flipping rule are:


1. Properties acquired by an employer or relocation agency in connection with the relocation of an employee.
2. Re-sales by HUD under its Real Estate Owned (REO) program.  There are LOTS out there! And most homes can benefit from an FHA 203k streamline loan!


3. Sales by other United States Government agencies of single family properties pursuant to programs operated by these agencies.

4. HUD REO properties that were purchased by nonprofits at a discount with resale restrictions.

5. Sales of properties that are acquired by the seller through inheritance.

6. Sales of properties by state and federally-chartered financial institutions and government sponsored enterprises.

7. Sales of properties by local and state government agencies.

8. Sales of properties within Presidentially Declared Disaster Areas.

9. The restrictions do not apply to a builder selling a newly built home or building a home for a borrower.

10. The sale must be by the owner of record.

11. Appraisers are required to analyze any prior sales of a subject property in the previous three years for one to four family residential properties.

12. A lender must obtain a second appraisal by another appraiser if:
the re-sale date of a
property is between 91 and 180 days following the acquisition of the property by the seller, and
the resale price is 100 percent or more over the price paid by the seller when the
property was acquired
FHA reserves the right to require additional documentation from a lender to support the resale value of a
property if:
the resale date is more than 90 days after the date of acquisition by the seller, but before the end of the twelfth month following the date of acquisition, and the resale price is 5 percent or greater than the lowest sale price of the
property during the preceding 12 months.

Any subsequent re-sales of the properties must meet the 90 day threshold in order for the mortgage to be eligible as security for FHA insurance.

 

So remember to do your research!  We are the professionals and it is our job to know this information for our consumers.  We will save time, money and problems if we know this up front.

Happy Selling, buying and financing peeps!

 

                                    

 

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65 Comments on Property flipping guidelines extended by FHA until May 2010! What does this mean?

OCT
09
2009
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wow i get to be your first commentor!!!  Lots of good info thanks for the posting I am sure going to get tons of feedback!

8:54am • #1
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Colleen, great information.  It is oftem hard to keep up with all the recent changes and modifications in the laws, and so it is very helpful when someone takes the time to post this information.  Thank you

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Great blog ! This makes it perfectly clear about flipping FHA mortgaged properties ! I'm gonna bookmark this !!!!

9:24am • #3
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Thanks for this!

9:29am • #4
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this reg really hurts first time homebuyers in southwest florida. i know that many flips are done with little or no renovations, but in southwest florida we have companies buying foreclosures that have been beaten and doing total renovations. they are some of the most attractive properties and never make it 90 days. they are also usually agressively priced.

oh well.

9:31am • #5
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Thanks for all the "boring details". I reblogged it. Great work!

9:52am • #8
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Great post!  I've been running into this issue a lot more recently and it'll probably continue for at least the next 3 years; very good information to know.

 

9:58am • #9
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I know these rules are present, but in our market there have been several sales of REO properties that were then cosmetically dressed up, remarketed and successfully sold with either VA, FHA or USDA Rural Housing Development loans. Why do you think that is?

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thanks for the advice. I just met a client yesterday that was looking into flipping. 

10:20am • #11
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Excellent advice for all of us. These government programs want to encourage the developement of neighborhoods. FHA loans offer a below market rate as an incentive for buyers. If they borrow the money only to flip the property, then the purpose of the loan has been lost. Thank you for your post.

10:38am • #12

Good stuff, thanks Colleen! --James Wirth

11:14am • #13
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Colleen: There is a lot of information here … and information we need to know if we are serving the public. It is in the information that we don’t know that can harm others. It is challenging keeping up with all the changes … thanks for your post!

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You're very wellcome and thanks for commenting to GM, Jean, Michael, Bethany!

Jay, wow sounds like your market still has investors beating out the first time buyer!  That's slowed a bit in CA - majority of my deals are now FHA first time buyers.

11:26am • #15
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Joe - thanks for reblogging!

Michael - I agree, it's not anything too new, but we are running into it more and more b/c of all the FHA buyers in our market!

Christine, that is one of the exceptions - if it is an REO or bank owned property - the 90 day rule doesn't apply -TEMPORARILY until May of 2010.  Did you mean and REO was purchased by an investor and sold successfully prior to the 90 days?  B/c it does not apply to VA or USDA if that was the case. But it does for FHA - so maybe it wasn't within the 90 days.  I know of some that the realtors weren't aware of it but got lucky b/c it was listed for more than 90 days.

Joshua - thanks for commenting - glad my timing worked for you in case there were any questions!

Millie and Kathleen - thanks for your comments

Thanks James - you were the first to use the text button!  Glad it works.....haha

 

11:33am • #16
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I think the rule is a little tough on most situations.  But it is what it is.

11:53am • #17
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Thanks so much for the informative post. I would like to disagree a bit with the following statement...

"While there is nothing illegal with selling properties within days of acquisition, some of these transactions are fraudulent because the condition of the property is misrepresented and/or the value of it is artificially inflated."

In many instances, someone is able to purchase a property that is in disrepair below market value even in its condition. It is not difficult, and if you are handy...it can be cost effective to make all of the necessary repairs and upgrades in a short amount of time. Its newer condition often can represent a value that is much higher than the recent purchase price.

That being said, is the condition misrepresented or the value artificially inflated? Not necessarily. In addition, that value really depends upon what a future buyer is willing to pay. If the new sale price is in line with what other homes in similar condition are selling for, then it is what it is.....a good deal for the person who just flipped that home.

 

 

12:11pm • #18
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Great post!  Just had to explain this recently to a few buyers!  I think it worthy or a repost!

12:28pm • #19
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Excellent information Colleen. If you're working with investors you need to know these flipping guidelines, thanks for putting it together.

12:29pm • #20
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This rule has been very visible locally in recent weeks. There are some lovely flips from Trustee Sales that our FHA buyers can't purchase and frankly it's a shame. If conventional loans will work, why not FHA?

1:04pm • #21

These lending guidelines are a constantly moving target. It's a challenge to keep up with it all.

1:26pm • #22
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Great posting and thanks.  I represent investors who purchase TS sales and it's a crock they have to wait 91 days for FHA financing which in my area fuels most of the first time buyers.  My question is who does this help or hurt.   To stimulate the Real Estate market first time home buyers or any buyer should have the right to purchase any home regardless where it came from as it will have to hold up to a new appraisal anyway.

I believe this FHA rule is to help the banks process and sell their REO's without more or at least less competition from the private investors.  Why should a bank who made a bogus loan in the first place to a buyer, then forecloses be able to avoid the 91 day rule.  In reality most of the banks hold the property longer than this period anyway due to their internal process after foreclosure but why should it be any different for anyone selling.

If we are to stimulate this market further, REMOVE the Do Not Flip rule as it will all work out with the appraisal anyway.  Thanks again for the great Info.  GaryD  www.probate-realestate.com

1:49pm • #23

  Thanks for the information.  As mentioned previously guidelines change so often, its nice to be up to speed.

1:58pm • #24
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Wow - thanks for the great info - bookmarking this one!!

2:36pm • #25
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This is really good information.  We almost purchased a home for a flip and our agent told of us this law... I had no idea... in the end we decided not to purchase it since our likely targeted buyer would have been a lower income family possibly using an FHA loan.

3:08pm • #26
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Hi Colleen -- Thanks for the update, I wasn't aware of the extension.  I am sure at an aggregate level for huge investors, this will tamp down speculation or perhaps not if there pockets are deep enough and the profits are there.

4:01pm • #27
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Good stuff. It is nice to have such info handy as to memorize such a wealth of information is a little difficult. Good job with this.

4:20pm • #28
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Really good info Colleen. I'll be forwarding this post to my agents. Not sure why this rule exists to begin with but it is important that we are aware of it.

7:07pm • #29
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I've been running into trouble frustration with some of my FHA buyers because of this rule.  It can be difficult with limited inventory in our market.

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We are still flipping properties here in Phoenix. There are other properties on the market besides REO properties. One must go where others are not going. That is the secret. Shhh Great post and thanks for the information.

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I'm re-blogging, too.  Great information.  Well expressed.  Thank you.

It's a rational rule.

2:55am • #32
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Great info and well worth reblogging.  In fact, I first emailed the link to a client because we had previously spoken about this very thing.  Thanks!

5:02am • #33
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Colleen,

Thanks for the information. In our area here in Prince William County  Virginia, investors are snapping up property at a feverish pace. Then totally remodeling them with Stainess Steal Appliances, Granite Counters, Hardwood floors etc.  This is causing distress for the first time buyers who only qualify for the FHA Financing Option and are not able to buy homes in thier price range. These homes almost never make it past the 91 day rule. However it's great news for the Veteran or Conventional Buyer!

5:49am • #34

I had a buyer buy up to a new construction home and the builder bought their older home.  The builder put the older home on the market immediately.  A buyer came along within days of the new listing and made of an offer.  Throught the loan process we found out about the 90 day wait, so the builder let the buyer rent until the 90 days were up.  The buyer had been approved for loan, just waiting for the 91 day.  During the 90 day period, the buyers went out and bought all new furniture, bringing the credit score down and at the end of 90 days could no longer received loan approval  Now everyone is upset and the deal is not going to close.  Buyers have to move out, builder has to put it back on the market.

The moral of the story is tell your buyers do not buy anything during the loan process.

 

Mary Lou Cherry

9:04am • #35
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I also found out if you do a lease purchase and they are living in the house it is no longer considered an arms length transaction. The 90 day rule changes to 180 days.

VA loans do not have that rule.

9:25am • #36
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Hi Colleen~  Great Post!  It is nice to get some additional clarity with FHA!  This will be going out to some of my first time home buyers!

9:37am • #37

I also undersatand that investors flipping properties can't make more than 25% profit, is that true and why?. if some one can coment please.

Thank you. 

Efrain Bobadilla
9:40am • #38
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Great post - thanks for the information.  FHA used to have a variation on their flipping guidelines - the investor could sell a flipped home to any buyer if they provided receipts for all the materials and/or work they did on the previous HUD home, then FHA would allow them to sell for original cost, cost of repairs and up to 25% profit.  Gee, guess what?  HUD found many of the receipts were bogus - one of many fraud schemes. 

 

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Great post! I also think this rule is hard on the consumer. The market place will take care of price and this rule just makes it difficult for FHA home buyers to get a home at all. Limited inventory is wreaking havoc on this type of buyer and rules like this are causing prices to rise artifically.

10:26am • #40

Colleen:

Thanks for this post - it's great information that's very important to know!

The 90-day seasoning period is bad enough. When a rehabber buys an REO that needs major repairs, he/she can usually get the work completed within a 30-day time frame. The change that is applied to the property and its value by virtue of the repairs can be dramatic.

In a 1st-time buyer price range of say between $70,000 and $250,000, both the cost of the repairs and the increase in appraised value can easily exceed 100% of the purchase price as REO. That does not mean, however, that the investor is making a 100% profit.

There are two issues in these rules that make regentrification of foreclosure-heavy neighborhoods difficult for investors, and unreachable for FHA buyers. One is the seasoning. If the rehab is completed within 30 days, nothing else changes in the next 60. The other is the arbitrary limitation on increase in value, going past the 90 days.

As a result of these issues, lenders and markets loose more equity, because investors have to budget the added cost of holding the property longer and the added risk into their REO offer.

Best,

Thomas Bartke
http://CaWholesaleDeals.com

Thomas Bartke
10:56am • #41

Great post. My office sells A lot of Reo. Several clients flip homes, these guidelines have been in effect for sometime now. Between renovations and market time the 1st 90 days isn't that big of a deal. However the 2nd appraisal within in 180 day resale has killed a few of my deals. The new regs are what they are. Just remember investors were a good help in putting the wheels in motion for these changes along with mortgage fraud and subprime loans within the past few years. Guidelines are needed to help regulate the market.

11:30am • #42

Thanks for this post - it's is always good for someone to pass on the information that's important to know!

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Colleen ... Thanks for reminding us about this painful FHA rule on no flipping of homes within 90 days of purchase.  Challenge is that many buyers these days are FHA qualified and, therefore, won't be able to consider these homes. 

This rule has made some sense.  However, we are in a new market, which needs as many homes for sale under $500k as possible, including those recently bought by investors. I believe HUD needs to look at this rule and whether public policy supports this now.

11:48am • #44

Hi Colleen,

I just encountered a very obtuse interpretation of the 90 day anti-flipping rule.  We were in escrow to purchase a condo in Culver City, CA in July and the lender came back to us and said that we could not do a FHA loan because of the anti-flipping rule.  Everyone was shocked to find out that because the seller had transferred title from his name to his living trust about a month prior to opening escrow this was enough to trigger the anti-flipping rule.  We fought this with the underwriter, the underwriting manager and even up to the Santa Ana, CA HOC (FHA Home Ownership Center).  The HOC said that while not technically within the spirit or intention of the anti-flipping rule, it was still a transfer of title and it did not meet one the the exceptions to the rule.  What!  We were all dumbfounded.  Well the seller agreed to wait, and on day 91 we started the transaction all over again.  So our July closing date became an end of September closing date.  The good news is we did close, but not without alot of extra work, wasted time and resources, money and frustration because of a misapplication of the 90 day flipping rule.

Just one more thing to watch out for!

Jerry Current - HBC Realtors

12:37pm • #45
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I'm still not clear where flippers add value to the process.  They essentially buy assets from banks at rock bottom prices and then "flip them" for a profit - often at the expense of the lender who forclosed upon the asset.  Flippers sound like bottom feeders to me.  They still try to sell the house with minimal disclosure "owner has never lived in house", and often compete with hardworking individuals who are trying to buy their first home using the tax credit.

Personally, I think FHA and the other government agencies should be tougher and not allow FHA, FNMA or FHLMC loans to be issued on any non-owner occupied residence that is being sold within 6 months of purchase.  This will reduce the number of flipped properties, because the cost of financing will need to include keeping the inventory for 6 months.

12:41pm • #46

A Lease Option Contract/Rental Agreement will take care of that 90day rule.  Although some of the Investors I work with are rehaber's wanting to fix & fip,  The majority are Buy & Hold Investors like myself who are looking for Positive Cash Flow Income and long term equity appreciation. 

2:08pm • #47

I am a flipper but I use that term as someone who buys, rehabs, and sells a property. Most of my "flips"  go well beyond the 90 day timeline so there are no worries in meeting FHA's guidelines. I do however tend to sell fast because I offer a great product at a great price... my prior 3 properties selling in 1 day, 3 days, and about 3 weeks. This FHA rule does bug me a bit though because I've been asked for the HUD1 and amount of repairs/rehab on the last couple of properties just days before the properties were to be sold. I am proud of what I do because my team buys a property using good negotiation skills at rock bottom prices, we put quality workmanship and materials into a property which increases its value, and we offer our properties below comps and generally to first time homebuyers. Most first time homebuyers do not know a thing about electric, plumbing, installing kitchen cabinets, installing wood flooring, doing tile, etc.. and simply want to find a move-in property where they do not have to put in the work. Since we buy REO's which tend to have sat on the market for sometimes close to one year, we aren't exactly beating off first time homebuyers in the purchase. And if I buy a property for $50K, put $20K into it and sell it for $105K, it obviously was appraised out and oftentimes inspected and it shouldn't matter if my team turns it over in 2 weeks or 10 months.

I do have a question though. I purchased a property at the end of September and it will be completed (rehab) at the end of the 3rd week of October. Obviously I cannot flip to an end buyer using FHA but I could potentially find a buyer who would go conventional and I would like to do so. My thought is that since this property (condo) is in a good neighborhood, will be at the low to mid end price range for first time homebuyers, will be priced about 10% below similar condo's, and a quick acting buyer might get access to the $8K tax credit, a buyer might jump at this opportunity quickly. My question... how does one attract conventional buyers as opposed to FHA buyers?

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Paul,  It really depends on the area as to whether or not you can attract conventional buyers.  It's much more difficult to get PMI approval these days so you would have to find a buyer that has 10 -20% down to go conventional.  And unfortunately with the economy being what it is, the majority of buyers I'm working with in CA are FHA.  I would also suggest you make sure the CONDO HOA is on the FHA approved list just in case you do get an FHA buyer.  (There is a link on my website - look it up by zip code)   The buyer's mtg company will have to verify that the HOA is OK for any type of financing and that depends on the occupancy ratio and if there is any pending litigation or delinquent dues etc.   Just an fyi.

Weichert - I believe that flippers can bring value to the process!  I have a home right now that a buyer wants to purchase but the previous owners completely gutted the house!  We can't get any type of financing.  So if an investor came in and put cabinets, lights, appliances, hot water heater and everything that was taken - he could then offer property to a buyer that can now get financing.

Jerry, I just heard from one of my realtors yesterday that went through a similiar issue.  The closing was delayed b/c they had a hard time tracking down who the actuall seller was because title had been transferred.

Mary Lou, My gosh what a nightmare!  That is why part of MY package that i give to my buyers include a list of what NOT to do during the loan process!

Thanks for all the comments are reblogging!

 

 

 

3:17pm • #49

Colleen, thank you. Yes, thanks to your link I found out that the association is on the FHA approved list. I know that there's some shoddy work being done by rehabbers/investors that bring a bad name to the business and regulations are being formed to protect the industry and buyers. However I believe regulations need to be put in place to help the rehabbers/investors who put in long hours and quite a bit of money to improve a property. I have no problem showing my receipts, having inspections, and even two appraisals if that is what it takes. Just don't take away my livelihood with regulations meant to protect one side of the equation. 

I know that an out of state investor adds a line to the remarks in MLS that buyers must work with either a local bank or credit union in order to attract buyers who will have a higher chance of going conventional rather than FHA. Just trying to see if anyone has any other ideas?

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It is frustrating when I have so many first time buyers needing to get into a home.

7:47pm • #51

This is a great article. Unfortunately for us (clients and myself) this just happened on our offer. We were close to closing and the lender told us there was a problem with the date the seller purchased the house. Our offer was made about 2 weeks to soon. We had to simply resubmit the offer. This created all kinds of hardship. The only consulation to all involved is; this wasn't the only problem.  This entire transaction has been one problem after the other. Improper quote of property taxes, (I don' know how they arrived at their figure) we had to send them the link to obtain the correct property taxes.  Now the latest is the case number. Our case number is assigned to another lender. After finally straightening out the problem with the property taxes and the 90 day flipping. Now it's the case number. Thus the fight goes on. Hoping to close by the end of the week.

9:59pm • #52
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Another eye-opener.  Thank you for putting this all together so well.  I learn so much here on AR!!

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I do not like these rules, they mess up a lot of otherwise ordinary transactions, as some of the responses have indicated.

11:23pm • #54
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Great Article. Does anyone know if there are any rules when one purchases a rehab property and does not really rehab it but just "ginger breads it to cover up defects". Then lists it under craigs list or homes.com as a rental or lease purchase but rents it as is with repairs the resposibility of the buyer and or tenant? I have noticed this with a particular Investor that has 6 different LLC's and is also a Realtor. Since this person buys from MLS but does not use MLS when she sells nor disloses she is a realtor I have already noted several violations. I am just curious about buying homes for 8000.00 and less then a month later advertizes it for 700.00 a month or 72k. This is just on example out of about 30.
Laurie
9:50am • #55

Laurie, there is nothing that says that if you buy a property that needs to be rehabbed, that you indeed do the rehab. I belong to a forum of investors that wholesale properties. In this instance I would either buy a property for say $50K and sell it for $55K to an end buyer or do a double closing under the same situation and sell to another investor. In both cases, no work would be done on the house on my end.

Also, I've done land contracts where I tell the buyer that they are buying the house "as is" and they are responsible for the repairs. In regards to lease option properties, I let the tenant/buyer inspect the property before signing a contract but oftentimes my contract will state that they are responsible for the first $250 in repairs each month. That way I won't get a call at 2am if the toilet starts running on.

2:55pm • #56

Colleen - This is great information. Thanks so much for posting it.

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Paul,  I'm glad that link helped.  Maybe you could put in the MLS comments an incentive for conventional buyers (seller credit for closing costs for conventional buyers only?)  Not that you can't give the same incentive to FHA once you negotiate.    How about a selling bonus to a realtor if they bring a conventional buyer in - if you are using a realtor?  Just a thought.  Keep me posted if you get any other ideas and how you make out with this one!

Laurie, Just the fact that you said they are ginger breading the house to COVER up deftects bothers me and is without a doubt one of the reasons these rules were put into place.  They are a realtor on top and selling off the MLS on craigs list?  I would steer clear from any transaction this person is doing.  I all for buying homes and making a profit, but legally and honestly.  And As Paul mentioned - you can always rent or sell a home as is.  As long as everything is disclosed, I'm in.  If not, I'm running the other way!

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2009
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Colleen.... sorry that I am late to the party on this one.  God job of bringing this up and a good job of explaining this in detail. Hopefully this post will not only clear some issues up, but make others aware of what can be done and how.  nice job..

jeff belonger

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Thanks for your information, Colleen.

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Colleen,

I missed this one when it was feature.  You did a great job explaining it.  Thank you.

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Thanks for the clear outline of the process.  We've all read about it but often it's stated in such a way that makes it hard to absorb.  Thanks for taking the time to lay it out in simple terms.

2:31pm • #62
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13
2009
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Colleen, Thanks for the update and total rundown on FHA, always good to know the guidelines.  I'm doing a 203K 'Streamline' right now and it is an allusion. It's like a lead balloon that won't get off the ground or out of underwriting!

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thanks for commenting Jeff - hey you're not normally late to parties!  LOl

Lyn, a streamline shouldn't take long if the lender knows what they are doing!  But I do agree, getting ANYTHING out of underwriting these days is like pulling teeth!  Thanks for the comment.

6:45pm • #64
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22
2009

I am currently working on a flip property and we knew going in about the 90 day rule.  We waited until the 91st day to get everything started. 

The seller moved the propety into a trust after 30 days.  My underwriter is telling me the 90 days starts from then, not the date he purchased the property.

Any idea if this is correct and if not, where I can get documentation to show her that?

Thanks!

Jeannette Hartmann (Brookhavens Mortgage)
9:29am • #65

Had a builder by a lot in his personal name---went and got a loan to build on it----wrote a contract on it before the 91st day----Lender will not close the file due to the lot being bought by builder in personal name----One of the exemptions to the 91 days is new construction---CRAZY!!!  Look out on those small builders that do this.  I am a lender and let me tell you the heartache this has caused.  Of course my clients on this one just had to be family.  It's Terrible

Jake Belcher
10:49pm • #66
DEC
06
2009
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Colleen - I represeented a Buyer in May 2009 - property had been flipped. Home was well-worth the amount we were paying, but almost didn't pass Underwriting because Seller had only made cosmetic improvements.

Now, I'm shopping with a Buyer who is looking at a $120K home that was purchased by Seller six months ago for $60K. It appears that $15K of cosmetic improvement has been made - is that enough? My experience in May led me to believe that Lenders are requiring documentation of improvements to warrant higher selling price. Clearly in both cases, someone got a good deal on a deteriorating and out-dated home, fixed it up and wants to sell at a profit. But I don't want to waste my Buyer's money on a property that will not appraise. Any thoughts?

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