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Home for sale with a "First Time Home Buyer Tax Credit" sign.

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Like a ticking time bomb.

The First Time Home Buyer Tax Credit is set to expire on November 30, 2009.  If you haven't closed on your new home by then, you're out of luck and will miss out on the (up to) $8,000 tax credit.  People are beginning to panic a bit and the government has floated a few ideas about extension and even possibly expansion of the program.

We've all been watching the news, opinions, rumors, and thoughts on the First Time Home Buyer Tax Credit with baited breath.  From agents to lenders to consumers to concerned citizens; we all want to know what's going to happen next.  Some are for an extension, some are against it.  Some have even floated ideas about a modification to the theory of the tax credit.  So what to do about it?

"Death to the Tax Credit!"

Recently, a growing number of agents have said "let's kill it now."  Of course, some people immediately paint those real estate agents as uncaring and unkind.  Who doesn't like the idea of buying a home and getting a little help?  I for one would love to be a first time home buyer and receive a check in the mail.  The question becomes "at what cost?"  Obviously, the money comes from somewhere and we all know that (like it or not) we are currently spending a lot of money to get our economy back on track (even though the First Time Home Buyer Tax Credit is but a small part of it, it all adds up).

My views tend to lean towards this idea.  We've given buyers a chance to get into these homes.  Some have, some have not.  We still can't change the fact that many have lost their jobs or had other issues affect their credit in such a way that they can not qualify for loans.  No one dares float the idea of loosening credit standards (a huge part of what got us here), but in reality - that is the big stumbling block we face.  We can give money out like candy, but if people can't qualify for a loan it doesn't matter.  Offer me a million dollars to buy a new home and I still will sit on the sidelines if my credit score is too low.

Over at AgentGenius, Greg Cooper made a video about his thoughts on the First Time Home Buyer Tax Credit and I asked his permission to repost the video, instead, I decided to send you straight to AgentGenius, because you should be there anyway - to read the article and watch the video, head over to "First Time Homebuyer’s Credit- Should It Stay Or Should It Go? AG Politics."

"We need to extend and expand the Tax Credit!"

This idea has been out there since the original $7,500 tax credit - as you can see by the current First Time Home Buyer Tax Credit, this was extended, modified, and expanded.  There is no doubt in anyone's mind that the tax credit has helped clear up some of the inventory we had as well as get people back into the housing market.  I love the tax credit for what it does, don't get me wrong.  Incentives are always a good thing for the people receiving them.

I love the theory of the tax credit, I'm just not so sure on its long term effects.  Right now, agents and buyers are having a great time.  Sellers too.  We're doing what we need to buy: agents are working, buyers are getting new homes, and sellers are moving out (and let's not forget the consequences of buyers with a pocket filled with $8,000 that they didn't have yesterday).  This is the way we like to see things.  If you watched Greg Cooper's video though, in the back of your mind you must wonder - what happens when the end finally comes?

I fear we may be pushing ourselves towards a new artificially created housing market.  What happens when the push behind it does finally go away?  I'm not an economist, so don't quote me, but the fact is I fear the long term consequences of pushing it out further than it has already run.

As for the public, I wonder what this does to our collective psychology.  Are we perhaps creating a nation of "waiters" - people who will wait out everything, because there may be a better deal tomorrow?  This kind of thinking will do us no good at all.  We see it everyday with people who wait for interest rates to drop, homes prices to come down, and homes to hit the foreclosure market.  The worst is when they wait...and miss out on it.  And when the First Time Home Buyer Tax Credit truly ends (whenever it may be), what will the repercussions be on those that weren't able to get into a home because of job losses, credit, etc.  Will they just be sent the bill for helping those who were able to take advantage of it?  Seems a little lopsided when you think of it that way.

"Let's change the rules!"

Some have suggested expanding the tax credit to include everyone - not just first time home buyers.  Now, I know this contradicts much of what I'm saying, but if we are to continue with the tax credit, I do think it should be offered to everyone.  I also think the people who received the $7,500 tax credit should be given amnesty on the re-payment.  Why do we punish the first batch of people to jump at the chance to get a new home and take advantage of this program?  Instead we reward the latecomers?  Just doesn't make sense to me to reward one and not the other.

Making the tax credit available to all, probably would have opened up the markets quicker the first time around.  So if we are going to toy with the idea - let's give it a shot and see how it pans out.  It will still cost us a fortune, which I'm not a huge fan of, but I'd rather see it on a wide scale than still limited to a select group to test the theory of how well it really works.

Over on Jeanna Martinez's post, "Fence riding the tax refund wave all the way to shore...," Jeanna talks about a slow degradation of the total amount of the tax credit over time.  So the next one might be $5,000, then $4,000, then $2,500...you get the picture.  This would allow us to wean ourselves off of the theory that we get something in return for buying a house.  We always have received something in return - a home.

"It's not over yet!"

Congress currently has several proposals to extend and expand the First Time Home Buyer Tax Credit and obviously it will be a boom to buyers, sellers, and agents if they continue it.  I still fear the long term effects of it, both in psychological terms and financial terms.  I also worry for those that start the buying process now, but don't make it to the November 30th deadline - something needs to be done to deal with that.  When a closing slows down by a day and someone loses that tax credit, expect the lawsuits to start popping up.

No matter what direction it goes, I will follow, but I do hope we consider the long term vs. the short term.  Many people thought of their houses as ATMs during the run up to the housing market slow-to-a-crawl.  Today, many people are viewing their houses as a tax credit.  I worry about both mentalities.  A house should be thought of as what it is - a home.  First and foremost it is a place to hang your hat and live your life.  A place to build memories and enjoy time with your family.  It does have appreciation which builds equity as a great benefit, but once we start looking for that in the short term rather than the long term, we are dooming ourselves to another round down the road.

Check out the conversation between Will Ellis and I about the First Time Home Buyer Tax Credit on Twitter.

Will is a local San Antonio follower, so it was great to speak with him about the issue.  Are you from San Antonio and want to join the conversation?  Come say hello to me on Twitter - @rerockstar.

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50 Comments on First Time Home Buyer Tax Credit - So Many Opinions: What To Do About It?

OCT
09
2009
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Hi Matt,  I didn't see where you addressed the possibility of extending the tax credit to the purchase of New Construction Only.  Something I think the National Home Builders Association is lobbying for.  The theory here being that more jobs would be created by such action.  However that would also probably hurt existing home sales.

There is no easy answer to any of this.  However much as we may not like it, I think some form of incentive is still needed in our current economy.  The theory here bsing that until the economy shows real signs of recovery the only way to get there is stimulus.

12:33pm • #1
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You can send an email to your congressman very easily asking for the tax credit to be extended:

http://takeaction.realtoractioncenter.com/campaign/hbtc?qp_source=website

12:38pm • #2
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Bob - And I'll address it here with this: it's a self-serving joke.  What does that say to the people who buy re-sale houses?  Yes, it would help bring construction jobs, but the tax credit itself can help create jobs in many different disciplines.  If all those people that got the credit spend it - there will be job creation and consumer goods spending.

Heath - NAR has done a good job getting the word out to Realtors® to call, write, and email their Congressmen.  I'd love to know how many actually do it.

12:49pm • #3
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Matt, There has been talk of extending the First Time Home Buyer Tax Credit until May but you may be right regarding offering less the second time around. In Utah, we had a Home Run Grant that offered $6000 to buyers of new construction and the 2nd time around they are now offering only $4000. Nice post!

1:01pm • #5
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There's lots of buzz about extending the tax credit.

My theory is that they won't announce it's going to be extended until this one is set to expire. That way, people who are fence sitting will jump now rather than wait.

1:30pm • #6
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Matt - As you mentioned on my recent post about the overall state of the market ( and I agree ), the tax credit hasn't resulted in anywhere near the excitement or increased activity that they thought it would produce.  I think it would be a mistake to extend it, since that sets a bad precedent.  The original plan called for $15,000, and it would be for everyone.  That might have led to a serious change in the housing market, but either way, as you mentioned here, what is the long-term expense? 

5:29pm • #7
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Okay, let it expire. My guess is that you will see the market take a hit similar to when the "cash for clunkers" program ended. Chrysler and GM sales dropped by over 40%. Just what we need. Merry Christmas to one and all.

9:04pm • #9

The $8,000 tax credit has been very successful in stimulating buyers to buy in Cedar City, Utah.  However, I find myself very concerned about our future taxes! 

9:18pm • #10
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Hi Matt~ It will be interesting to see if it is extended or not.  Those that really want to buy their own home will buy either way.

9:27pm • #11
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Good post Matt. I'm mixed as well on the tax credit. In one way I think it helps by getting people off the fence but then there are so many people off the fence that it's challenging getting any buyers offers accepted. 

10:07pm • #12
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Matt -

I've argued the opposite side a little farther down the featured post blogroll.  Continue the current tax credit through spring, then $6000 for a year, then $3000 for another year.

We have a long way to go to get through the REO inventory.  No need to increase or expand.  It will help clear the inventory and help arrest the price slide.  Sales will eventually trickle up the price scale.

2:50am • #14
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It will be interesting to see how it all unfolds. If Washington would just loosen the necktie a little and let the oxygen back to the brain they may be able to think a little clearer. It seems like a big shell game going on.

6:03am • #15
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I like Jim Hales idea, phase it out over a couple of years and open up to all buyers, not just first time buyers.

6:42am • #16
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Matt:

There has been so much controversy on this issue on both sides. As with all government programs, we need to consider the long-term ramifications.  It hasn't made much of a difference in my area because housing prices are high and $8,000 is not much of an incentive.  However, nationally, it is credited as having breathed some life into the housing market this year.  I agree that, if they are going to extend it, it should be made available to all home buyers - not just first-timers. (That never really made much sense to me.) 

I just hope that wiser people than I are taking everything into account and carefully weighing out the costs vs. benefits of extending this and will make the right decision.

 

7:21am • #17
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Hi Matt,

Everyone needs to watch the kid in Greg Cooper's video, great visual analagy for what's going on.

Linda Metallo, Re/max Impact, Lockport, Il.

8:37am • #19

I believe in free markets. Govt caused the bubble with easy money now they want to stop the bursting with free money. Seems like free markets should be free of govt influence. If 5% rates, low prices are not enough to get people to buy then $8000 won't either. Stop the handouts. Our future generations are being robbed because everyone expects the govt to solve everything.

8:46am • #20
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Matt - You are becoming an expert and generating thoughtful posts.  Great discussion here.  I have already participated in a local program (Greater Philadelphia Association of Realtors) where I participated in sending emails to our local Congressmen requesting an extension of the tax credit.  I also have mixed feeling about it, but it really is true stimulus for the economy.  And since a large portion of the public (non-first time homebuyers) have had the opportunity to take advantage of that stimulus, I would think now is the time. 

However, if the economic data shows remarkable job creation in the next 2 months then that would be another story.  But that is not the case.  The only recovery that has occurred has been on Wall Street and not on Main Street.   I do like the idea of scaling it down over the next couple of years or even a scaled back version would be acceptable post November 30th as well.  I do think not extending it would be a mistake as I do believe this is healthy stimulus and folks are using it as an incentive to own a home and not just to get a tax credit.   Will come back and see what others have to say.  ~ Chris

 

9:41am • #21
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If the tax credit ends as scheduled on Nov. 30, , it will be:

  1. At the end of a month (normally busy)
  2. Following Thanksgiving week (when many people are away from their jobs)
  3. When title companies and lenders will be working at a hectic pace to try to close loans
  4. Leave some people unable to close on time for a variety of reasons. (Some people will close anyway in Dec. and some might not.)

With some of the new regulations it can take longer to get from pending to closing.  With the timing of the expiration of the credit, it might be good to allow a bit longer and try to close BEFORE Thanksgiving.

If the tax credit were extended to everybody, neighbors could trade houses and each pocket a tax credit.  It would do nothing to decrease the inventory of homes available for sale.

9:53am • #22
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I think the $8,000 tax credit was a great idea. Just because it is expiring does not mean sales are going to fall off the cliff.  The first time homebuyers and others that would qualify for this tax credit only make up a small portion of the homebuyers out there.  We are already seeing many positive signs in the economy.  No doubt some of that is do to the stimulus plan that was set in place in February.  And only a small portion of that money has been dispersed thus far. We don't necessarily need to loosend the credit standards, the banks just need to stop treating EVERYONE like they are a credit risk.  When borrowers who have 800+ credit scores, with $150,000+ incomes, and low debt to income ratios get put through the ringer on a loan or even get rejected then you KNOW the pendulum has swung WAY too far to the other direction.  Good post Matt and best of luck to you.

11:04am • #23
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I'm betting that they will extend it and expand it to all buyers with some qualifications. Since 1 out of 2 buyers are first time buyers right now, that seems to be an indicator that it is working. Plus, who doesn't love a tax break. They give it oil, they give to farmers, let real estate continue to share the benefits of government largesse.

11:06am • #24
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If we are going to have a new flood of REOs over the next couple of years, and inventory is going to increase substantially, it would seem critical to have the incentives for people to buy them.  Otherwise, as inventory builds, prices will continue to go down over all. 

It should be extended to all buyers, not just first time buyers.  It should be extended until the excessive number of foreclosures goes back to a normal level.  Six months is too short.

11:11am • #25
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Matt.. overall, I have been against the tax credit from day one. You made a great statement that I stick by,.  a home should be bought as a home.  It shouldn't be bought to make money on right away. Those kinds of investments are what got many in trouble from 2005 to 2006.  That's when the market in some areas started to depreciate. Some bought homes figuring that they could turn around in a year and make tons of money.  Hey, the grass was definitely greener on the other side.

In any case, this will have an affect on us, short and long term. I still see many realtors stating that we should move forward with the tax credit, because it helps. Sure, it helps... but how much. I hate to tell people, but many of the homebuyers out there were going to buy anyhow. Yes, we pushed some out there to buy now, who many aren't really ready to buy. What will that create 2 years from now?  More foreclosures? 

Overall, yes, it think it has helped some...  I think the end result, that it will hurt more than it will help. Some kind of solution... ?? If anything, have people pay it back.  Gee whiz..  on the $7,500 tax credit, the pay back on that was about $42 a month. The homeowner had to pay back $42 a month to get $7,500 upfront. Holy crapola.... I would give anything to have that kind of loan.   I am really getting tired of these free handouts that aren't free... they are free to the homebuyer, in which case I still have to pay for down the road. When will that stop and when will common sense prevail. Yes, just another function of the ATM. Just my opinion.  Again, this has helped some, but it didn't everyone get off the fence. Even those realtors that argue with me, saying that it got many off the fence.  Quiet.. how do you really know.  Because that borrower told you?  I ignore that kind of chatter.  Can you really believe anyone? Too many emotions involved when buying. As I stated, people will buy anyhow, those that are serious. We already had enough irresponsible buyers in the past, but now with this kind of carrot dangling?  One last thing... and yes, this has been going on for almost 2 years. If you didn't take advantage of this now, why continue this for another year?  lol  And if we do, at least have them pay it back over time. What is so wrong with that?  How many printing presses have we gone through in the last 12 months? ... printing all of this money that we actually don't have...  think about that. 

jeff belonger

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PS>. I didn't read most comments... but I just read Jason Crouch's comment, comment # 7.  He agrees with you and that the tax credit hasn;t appeared to be as big in the real estate market after the excitement took place. I agree with that.  It's his next statement that bothers me.  Now, mind you... I respect Jason and like him,... but he says..."The original plan called for $15,000, and it would be for everyone.  That might have led to a serious change in the housing market,"

Okay, I won't argue the point that if it was for everyone, that in itself would have helped this market.  But why $15,000?  Come on, when is enough enough???   $8,000 for everyone..  I think a $15,000 carrot would have created more buyers that would not have been ready for home buying.... it might have created more deception and fraud. That is a huge amount to dangle. My problem, again, what is so wrong with $8,000. That is nothing to sneeze at. Don't we realize that doubling that just adds to our long term problems... and long term meaning that it could be as short as 3 to 5 years? Just food for thought.  Again, have them pay all of this back, then I don't consider it as much of a problem.  Just my lousy .02 that seems to offend many of the same realtors that I would like to get business from.  But I need to be realistic and practical about this.

jeff belonger

11:20am • #27

We need to create jobs and stimulate the economy. The tax credit is doing just that! Everytime someone purchases a home, this creates jobs, buying of product and services etc... I think the tax credit should be extended to everyone with no income restrictions. We have an enormous amounts of inventory and we need to start moving it!

 

11:20am • #28
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Cindy..comment # 28.   Each market is different. There are some markets with hardly any inventory... some with just 1 1/2 months of inventory... others with 6 months.  I only say this because that is a generic statement, which has gotten us in trouble in the past.  We need to do more researching before we keep continuing things, just thinking that they are working... or that the cost is not so great. etc, etc. And yes, buying houses does help some other markets and jobs...  but we have to look at the overall picture. Hasn't instant gratification or instant band aides gotten us in trouble in recent years?  Yes... and we need to look at this from all angles, and not just the common sense angle that it works. Example...  many keep thinking more skin in the game, when buying a house, will help keep foreclosures down. But it's the opposite.  My point to this?  Common sense is not so common in this case, but you don't know this until you research it. This has been researched..  Who's most likely to walk away from their mortgage? I just wrote a few blogs about this...

There is a major point to that link and the conversation taking place within this thread... we need to evaluate, research, etc, etc.  But we don't do that with these mini band aides and I have a huge problem with this. We all just assume because it seems to make sense.  Again, just my .02 and food for thought.

jeff belonger

11:29am • #29
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$8000 doesn't do much in our high-cost area -- $15,000 would be an incentive, but the income cap needs to be lifted. Silicon Valley and San Francisco are high wage areas, but prices are high, too.

11:45am • #30

My concern with the $8,000 tax credit or any of our goverments spending of money we do not have and will have to pay with interest at some future undetermined date is what will it cause in the future, and will people expect the handouts forever.

Just look at Cash for Clunkers. The program stopped and sales plummeted. Will the same hold true in real estate and if so for how long.

When government subsidizes with taxpayer or the Chinese governments funds to have Americans purchase one thing, it causes falling sales in another. A consumer has limited money and if they buy one thing they may not be able to buy another. For example, I had a contract on a home and the buyers bought a cash for clunkers deal. The $480 per month payment meant they could no longer buy a house. They much rather have the house but now may have to live in the car. :)

My firs-time buyers some of which are not really first- time buyers but instead have not owned in the past three years do not need the $8,000 gift from you and I but are getting it. My buyers also when I questioned them are not buying due to the $8,000 and most did not even know if they qualified until I discussed it with them, but anyway their reason for buying was the low prices.

I also have several buyers that do not qualify for the first-time buyer tax credit but are waiting to buy as they have heard rumors that a new tax credit may cover all buyers. So how many deals could we be losing due to the rumors of a different tax credit.

And we are running low on inventory for homes that these buyers can afford to buy. Yes there is some inventory but it is mostly of homes that are overpriced. The builders have even run out of inventory. So if we extend this credit, then sales may not be as good as expected.

We are also giving tax credits to many who will likely go into foreclosure unless values increase significantly. They are getting 100% USDA financing (the new sub prime loan), borrowing money to pay their escrow deposit, have only about one months mortgage payment saved up, have the seller pay the closing costs and then we give them a gift of $8,000.

I believe that if the taxpayer has to give gifts it should give it to those who most likely will be able to afford their homes and maybe only give the tax credit after they have owned the home for 3 - 5 years.

Finally as the U.S. National Debt Clock http://www.usdebtclock.org/ shows every man, woman, child and baby owes $38,801 to pay the national debt or if just taxpayers have to pay it then every taxpayer now owes more than $118,000 toward the debt and growing by the minute, and if we include unfunded liabilities every citizen is responsible for $349,000. $15 billion for a first-time homebuyer tax credit may not sound like a lot but it is one more item that is added to money we or our children will owe one day, especially now that the UN and several countries are pushing for the U.S. dollar to be replaced by other currencies. The taxpayer is now guaranteeing 85% of all the mortgages being written which does not make me feel all that great for the future. When the government stops buying all the mortgage paper we will likely be facing increased rates, so should we let the market forces handle the market or have the government boost the market, only to let it fall later when they can no longer support it?

1:09pm • #31

When people buy a new house they typically want to buy new things to put into that house. With inventories at historical lows and productivity levels at historic highs, business's will need to hire more people to produce these goods. Thus lowering the unemployment numbers. I think that we are going to get a 6 month extension of the current tax credit. This will allow unemployment (a lagging indicator) to peak and the credit to expire in the heat of the summer buying season. This should lessen the impact. I see the real key being the level of mortgage rates. If rates begin to rise the affordability levels will drop and people may be forced to continue renting.

1:15pm • #32
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I have had mixed feelings about the tax credit.  I think that there is already enough incentive right now for people to buy a home given the great pricing now and the record low interest rates. I just think that extending the credit is something that we just can't afford to do as a nation.  I think that the credit has been somewhat an incentive for first time buyers to take the leap, but I actually think that the original $7,500 credit which had to be repaid was a better program. It provided first time homebuyers with some of the up front cash needed to buy your first home, but was not just an out-right gift increasing our huge deficits over time.

1:26pm • #33

My opinion: The tax credit is just another example of our Govt's belief that stupidity is the solution. Cash 4 Clunkers is of the same school of thought.

When did the Govt. assume the role of Mommy and Daddy? How is it a good idea to encourage taking on debt in an environment of rising unemployment?

For those who couldn't otherwise buy a home but for the tax credit, where are they going to go when the roof starts leaking? Or if they wind up with a big fat plumbing problem? Govt. tax credit for home repairs?

Parking my new (cash 4 clunkers) car in my new (tax credit provoked) driveway is the American dream? Are you kidding me? That's not how I was raised and it's certainly not the type of belief system I'm teaching my kids!

Maybe the new Loan qualifier should be to assess what the borrowers unemployment benefits would be and use that figure in the DTI ratio.

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I think that for the marginal sales created, the cost is too high...  If people can buy, the prices and interest rates are pretty stimulating. 

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Another hot and debated topic I guess it will be interesting to see what are leaders are going to do

 

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I am of the opinion that we'll see Nov 30 come and

1. There will be a segment of people whose settlements are delayed for whatever reason--and they're going to FREAK OUT when they lose the credit. They're going to blame everyone in the room for that! There will be consequences.

2. Cash for Clunkers. Worst month for sales in September after the BONGO month that wiped out inventory. Enough said.

3. I think the gov't WILL extend it because they will be afraid of 1 and 2.

In my market we are seeing increased sales but NOT directly because of this program. In many cases the first time homebuyers we have gotten call in on it don't qualify / are not financially ABLE to buy / have poor credit. Those are exactly the people who will be in foreclosure in a few years and should NOT be buying now.

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I kind of agree with the theory that it's like giving a 10 year old kid too much sugar! When it's done, it's done. On to the next thing. That's what will make it a great thing, when people miss out on it, they'll be duhhh, should have taken them up on that.

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We have spent Billions on banks and other Wall Street types.  There needs to be some breaks for middle class tax payers.  I would prefer tax cuts, but I will take tax credits.

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Either way - I'm okay with the decision. Those who are already not working on getting their loans are probably too late (most of them) in trying to get them.

I've heard some people say to continue to extend for those who are currently in contract, etc.

My gut feeling is that it would be extended because the Congress wants their names associated with this "helping the slumming housing market".

I'm very happy with having this tax credit because business went through the roof for me this year. Yes, I did end up spending more on "stuff" than I otherwise wouldnt have without the surpluss income.

9:02pm • #40
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Interesting line of thinking and rational explanation of the tax credit.  I like the gradually reducing method so that buyers don't grow bitter about missing out on the tax credit altogethter.

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Oh, for crying out loud. There is no reason, none whatsoever on God's green earth, to extend the stinkin' tax credit. Why would the government want to stimulate real estate sales in December, of all months?

Now, to write a new tax credit for the spring market, well, hey, you've got my attention. I say look beyond the end of your nose. :)

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10:53pm • #42
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We have beaten this into the ground by now.  Obviously, it has helped sales, but long term it will eventually slow them down again when it is gone.  No short term fixes will help in the long run.

11:28pm • #43
OCT
11
2009
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I like Maureen's comment:

I think that there is already enough incentive right now for people to buy a home given the great pricing now and the record low interest rates.

There is a lot of incentive to buying a home these days.  Natural incentive, not artificially created incentive.  A few people mentioned it helps to clear up the foreclosures out there.  My experience in San Antonio doesn't match that.  Foreclosures are going to sit on our market for awhile and the reasons are simple - the foreclosures we are seeing here are in terrible shape and they're only going to get worse.  I talk about the foundation issues I'm seeing here that are preventing many of the sales of distressted properties over at RErockstar.com.  I think that part of the situation is going to get worse here in San Antonio long before it improves.

I think that the longer we drag this out the more it's going to hurt when it goes away.  Let's face it, interest rates aren't very likely to go much lower and home prices will eventually have to go up.  When that happens and we pull the Band-Aid off and remove the tax credit - it's going to hurt.  The incentive is already there.  People need to want to buy a home, not want to get free money.  Having said that, I don't blame anyone for taking advantage of the tax credit.  If I didn't own a home, I would certainly be looking at houses.

7:37am • #44
OCT
12
2009
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Well Matt, having the credit did help us all in the short term. I just cringe when I think of the long term COST to the taxpayers. Making credit more available to people is not the answer. Because they got themselves into the mess in the first place. Irresponsible yesterday usually means irresponsible tomorrow.

1:18am • #45

When a buyer is ready they will buy....the credit will just be a bonus if they do extend it.....I have buyers looking and not seeing what they like and then tell me they are not going to buy just to get the $8,000....and again it come down to when they are ready they are ready....

7:53am • #46

The tax credit didn't just help buyers get into a home and have a cash cushion for them after they get their returns. It helped keep jobs in building trades, appliance manufacturers, carpet mills, furnature makers and all the other industries you can think of. The trade off was a bill for us to pay down the road or possibly a depression which was avoided by stimulating the economy. All who think government is being a Mommy and Daddy should remember the words uttered by a wounded and dying soldier on the muddy fields of battle...usually they call out for their parents while crying.

You should have been so vocal when all the banking restrictions were lifted and allowed big business free reign for obscene profit taking at your expense then begging for help from the government who allowed it to happen. We will be paying for that for a lot longer.

If you think the tax credit was wrong or should be allowed to die....my suggestion is, don't participate in a sale where it will be utilized. Do your part in protesting, use your power to just say no (party of NO) and boycott the program. I for one will be helping as many people use it as I can and enjoy the fact that I am not living in a depression period like my parents and Grand parents did.

  

10:47am • #47
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I am one who is on the fence as well. Selfishly, as a Realtor, it's a great idea. I am selling homes and life is good.

As a person, I am not sure I agree with it. We are living in way too much of an entitlement society, and peple are less and less willing to work for what they want and accept personal responsibility.

For now, I am still on the fence, though I also agree that if they do extend it - it should be for ALL Homebuyers, not just first timers.

Just my 2 cents.

Donna

 

1:32pm • #48

I find it very interesting that one comment was made that the stimulus program helped people get into homes.  Since this credit is only given after the house has been purchased the only way I know that the stimulus program could help get somene into a house is through some kind of fraudulent munipulation in connection with using this money to pay off undisclosed loans obtained from family or others to get qualified for the house loan.  Hopefully none of us are doing that.  That kind of activity in part aided in the housing problem of today.

There are much stricter guidlines in place to get loans today.  Those people who qualify for loans are in much less need of the free government money than those that can't qualify for a loan. 

The current house prices are much lower than they were a couple of years ago.  This is what makes homes more affordable and attractive - not the stimulus money.  I haven't had a client yet that has bought a house just to get the stimulus money.  It has just made them push harder to try to get in before the deadline.  So... If the program gets extended the urgency of getting a house now greatly deminishes.

If any stimulus money is to be pumped into the economy it should be used to create jobs.  In the Depression money was used directly to provide employment and create assests such as power generating dams. 

 

Barry Brown
1:53pm • #49
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Hi,

I think that if the tax credit is extended, the market will be better served by opening it up to everyone.  That way, there's potential to move some high end inventory in addition to the low end which is the only thing moving right now.  Like others who have posted here, I also agree that it could go the way of "cash for clunkers".  If the program is pulled, all activity will scream to a halt causing further market decline.

2:36pm • #50

Hi Matt

I am also torn between having the tax credit extended or have it expire. I do think that Buyers who have offers already in place on short sales with these lenders should be extended. The lenders are taking longer to close these deals. Four or more months, please.

 

Erika
3:53pm • #51
OCT
13
2009

Despite all the tax incentives and the stimulus spending - one thing remain unsolved - unqualified borrowers for credit reasons or  can't show income need not apply.

 

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