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31 Comments on FHA 90 Day Anti-Flipping Rule Under Attack
Are government regulations there to protect the consumer or pretend to protect the consumer? Because usually the more involved the government gets, the worse the outcome! This is a great example...and once the genie is out of the bottle, it's virtually impossible to put it back in.
Gene: Interesting stuff. I am writing an offer today on a property which specifically states: "No FHA." The property was purchased 5-6 weeks ago ... completely renovated and ready for resale. Clearly this will limit the number of prospects who may want to buy the property ... however it will not prevent it from selling. Ultimately, if FHA could be used to finance, the fact is that other buyers would likely win out simply because they are stronger financially.
I work with a couple of different investors who each time we flip a property we are finding out regs that the government has implicated that we were unaware of...Early on in our "Flip Adventures" this was the first regulation that I was unaware of but now we take this into consideration every time we find a new property. Thanks for the blog.
Since first time and low income buyers make up the majority of FHA buyers this "anti flipping" rule is hurting the very group the program is designed to benefit. The type of financing a buyer uses to purchase their home should not limit their choices when selecting the home that suits them best. As earlier stated it seems that whenever government gets involved in our business people get hurt.
Maybe this is why Jeff Lewsi is renovating houses now instead of Flipping Out:) Good information - thanks for sharing. I have been watching this one.
The right thing to do is speak up. Coventional is also making waves about the 90 day flipping rule. The key is that we all participate in solid business practices and take responsibility for our markets and not allow values to be falsely inflated for the sake of selling a home.
What this rule now prevents is a same-day flip in short-sale situations, since FHA requires a seasoned title. However, if the rule is changed to 30-days, or even 15-days, you could still eliminate the investor same-day flip and yet allow investors who close and fix up property to sell it in a fair and equitable manner.
Lucien: Actually, whenever government DOESN'T get involved in business, people get hurt. Because if business is left to its own devices -- allowed to operate freely without regulation -- consumers will get screwed. Business is always a pragmatist. Business doesn't care about people, just about making a buck.
this whole market has continued to change the rules
Hello Gene~ Thanks for posting!! This is a touchy one especially here in Phoenix...where the best market is for homes priced under 250K! Properties that are redone well, staged, and marketed are still selling to non-fha buyers! I believe that it would still help in the recovery, but the higher end market is the one that needs the most help at this time!!
Good stuff Gene - and thanks for the report, it is much appreciated. This rule is annoying on a good day, it is however, somewhat mysterious how the leadership could decide not to try and work on it... Who is in charge of CAR these days? I know I am not the most involved legislative person out there, but that is just silly.
Tell me who to call and I will.
Lenn & Ken - always count on you for seasoned and rational commentary. Having experienced this from both sides of the table (lender and Realtor®) you echo the prevailing side in our state arguments.
Michael & Aaron - the same argument surfaced - that consumers continue to need 'protection' from unscrupulous 'flippers' today whop are attempting concurrent closing on short sales. Hmmm. How about Realtors® just standing up and refusing them? It's greed and lack of ethics that got us to this point and that's when the knee-jerk legislators and regulators get license to get all up in our business.
Kyle - that was our decision too - the only right thing to do is speak up. We may not get it changed this year but eventually saner minds will prevail (maybe). Just like HVCC - it amazes me that with virtually everybody in the country experiencing hardships as a result (except the Appraisal Service Companies), Cuomo, Freddie & Fannie don't just take a step back and say - ' whoa, not what we intended. Let's do it right.'
Thanks Terkel - for now the decision has been made to move this forward. CAR Leadership is normally very in-tune with member needs so this was a bit out of character for them. We've also never been one to back down from a good fight - especially when we're on the right side of the battle. Even when we know the odds are long - that's why this was so unusual.
Glad to see some organizational body take a stand that makes sense for once.
Normally, stupid carries the day.
I won't hold my breath.
Gene, good for CAR and NAR. Lets hope they can change some minds.
I sold my very first flip house to an FHA buyer exactly one day after the required holding period. I took it from a completely unlivable POS house to a beautifully remodeled starter home. People who haven't flipped tend to think it's easy, but my husband and I worked from 8am to 11pm every day fixing that place. Of course I purchased it low since it was in bad condition, but I also sold it for 20% under appraisal value.
The second home I purchased was from a lady who inherited it and just didn't want it. I asked her how much and she told me $20,000. Next day I found a buyer and, again, sold the house for well under the market value(approximately 50% of the value). I just wanted to give that person an affordable nice place to live. The buyer was originally FHA qualified but we had to change the loan to a private lender. I should be able to sell my property as I see fit.
People are buying at the trustee's sales here. Foreclosures are exempt from the anti-flipping rules so (at the very least) the trustee's flips should be exempt too!
This is a problem that keeps cropping up for my FHA buyers and limits their options in an already limited market where we have very little inventory in the lower price ranges.
Gene ... Thanks for this post, and it's good news that C.A.R. board of directors joined with NAR 'SUPPORT' for the elimination of the FHA anti-flipping rule. Also interesting that there was heated debate resulting in positive action.
Did I get this right? CAR must send letter to the FHA Commissioner and other appropriate parties advising them of CAR opposition to the rule? Sounds good to me.
Lots of debate - but the overwhelming sentiment, as reflected in the comment string here, is that in this environment the rule is doing way more harm than good and disenfranchising up to 40% of potential buyers 9in CA) at a time when it's hard enough to qualify for a lower end home.
Yes. The original motion was just for CAR to support NAR in the elimination of the rule. But when Exec got involved members snapped back and said - Alrighty then, not just 'support' NAR but get your suport out there for everybody to see - write a letter to Commissioner Stevens letting him know we support the elimination. I'm sure there will be more discussion next month when Mr. Stevens visits us at NAR.
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