I hate VA loans, except when higher income debt ratios are needed or when the purchaser has credit issues that make getting approved conventionally less likely.

Can anyone out there give me better reasons to encourage a purchaser to use his VA eligibility for the 1st or even worse, the 2nd time? 

For folks that haven’t had the experience of being in the middle of a VA deal, here are a few things to keep in mind:

  • If you have a purchaser with a lot of debt, but they are insisting they will buy a home with or without you, I have seen some VA loans go through where the Purchaser’s overall debt ratio was between 50% and 55%. 
  • If your Purchaser has late payments and even more serious credit dings, chances are, with certain compensating factors and explanations, the loan may well still be approved
  • As I recall, the 1st time a Veteran uses his/her eligibility, a Funding Fee is assessed by VA. 2% of the sales price is added to the loan amount. The 2nd and any additional times the eligibility is used, 3% of the sales price is added. On a $300,000 purchase, that would be a loan amount of $309,000! In a slow market, I hope the Veteran won’t have to sell any time soon. 
  • Most seasoned listing agents (myself included), flinch when we see a VA offer on the table. I have seen sellers on multiple occasions accept a lower price conventional loan offer rather than go with a higher-priced offer that has a  VA loan
  • VA appraisers are independently assigned by the Veterans Administration and, as a matter of general practice, tend to be very conservative. I believe they say “protecting the Veteran’s interest”. 
  • In my experience, if any appraisal is going to come in low, it’s a VA appraisal. They place less weight on what the willing buyer and willing seller agreed to than do conventional appraisers. Since they believe themselves to be autonomous, they are less willing to accept/consider listing agent provided comp info, rarely call you if there is a value issue and, generally, don’t care if the deal falls out due to his assessment of the property.
  • Finally, after sweating major bullets over the appraisal value, there is a possibility you may also have to deal with a list of required repairs that must be completed prior to closing. Some or all of the repairs may well have come up in the home inspection and, the appraiser can throw your agreement right out the window with the required repairs being a closing condition for which he will need to come back again to confirm the work was finished. This can range from something as simple as painting trim to very expensive items like replacing a roof. 

So if you are writing offer for one of my listings, save us both some time, don’t come in with VA financing.

Anyone have a different point of view? Similar experiences? Better recommendations?

 

 

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OCT
06
2006

I will agree with you that VA loans can be a challenge. There are some positives. This is my personal perspective having always had a VA home loan.

  • No Down Payment
  • No PMI
  • No funding fee. If the veteran is 10% or more disabled (my husband is) the funding fee is waived
  • Assumable loan
  • My current home appraised for $15,000 over purchase price using a VA appraiser.

This allows a veteran or active duty service member to purchase a home without having to come out of pocket. Sometimes using Other People's Money is a good thing. There are lenders who are actually reluctant to lend to active duty military for fear they will enter combat and the mortgage will never get paid. A VA loan allows them to own a home. I think that is a good thing.

 

5:25pm • #1
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Tracy

I couldn't agree more. Thank you for pointing out the the 10% disability waiver. Being a Viet Nam era vet and having a son who spent a year in Iraq, I do have a point of view on lending to military families. If I encountered a lender exercising that kind of discrimination, that would be their last loan application for purchasers coming through my company. In fairness, I must also say, I've only seen it twice in 20 years.

 

5:38pm • #2

Dave, thank you and your son for your service to our country.

I don't get overly excited about VA loans and can't say it was a great experience but I sure saved a lot of money.

5:55pm • #3
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I guess I'm a seasoned agent (30 years) and I never flinch when I see a VA Mortgage. My experience is very different.  We do lots of VA mortgages in Eastern Connecticut (Home of the Submarine Capitol of the World.)  Appraisal problems are not more common with VA Mortgages.  And sellers or agents here generally don't discriminate against veterans or view a VA mortgage negatively.  We would be giving bad advice if we recommended a seller take a lower offer rather than a higher VA offer.  I wonder if it is the lenders in your area, rather than the VA mortgage itself?

9:02pm • #4
OCT
07
2006
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Linda

Thanks for another view. Perhaps, lending is more regional that we are given the opportunity to see. In the DC Metro area, lenders, including USAA for example, offer 100% financing, no PMI at competitive rates. Again, unless the buyer needs the extra debt ratio or has credit dings, why incur the funding fee  and other appraisal/repair mandated issues? Maybe VA appraisers in this area have an attitude..... 

5:24am • #5
OCT
08
2006
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I have written VA mortgage applications in SE CT since 1980.  We have a submarine base in Groton, the US Coast Guard Academy in New London along with a Coast Guard Station and numerous smaller Army/National Guard facilities.  Lots of retired vets live in the area also.

The 100% VA loans, even with the VA Funding Fee offer competitive market rates.  100 % conventional or 80/20 loans carry higher rates and payments.  PMI and FHA insurance premiums add a lot more to the payment than the financing of the VA Funding Fee.

The appraisal issues you mention, especially the conservative appraisals don't appear to happen around here.  VA's approach of looking for safe, sound, sanitary housing protects the vets and doesn't become the deal killer.  The home inspections are more apt to cause a problem than the appraisals in my experience. 

The 100% limit of $417,000.00 could be raised to make the program more attractive but most of the vets buying their first home don't seem to want to go much higher anyways.

I always ask my clients if they are in the military or have served in the military and put the VA option on the table.  May not be the best option all the time but still worth considering.

I have talked to many sellers and addressed their concerns, allowing many VA deals to come together. 

 

8:09pm • #6
JUL
16
2008

I have been going through the VA loan process recently and have come across the various headaches involved with the appraisal, finding sellers that are even willing to accept VA financing etc.

 I have seen first and how much more work this can mean to get a deal through for both parties BUT I think there is a MAJOR problem that people just are not getting. The basis for the VA loan (as you all know) is to allow those of us who served in the military and in Iraq (like myself) the ability to purchase a home under the circumstances that you may not have been able to get approved for traditionally, in exchange for giving up so much more than any other American is willing to do.

The point isn't about "oh the extra paper work and the extra hoops I have to deal with." It is about respecting those who served and risked there lives, just so you can have the comfort of sitting in your air conditioned office all fat and happy while denying a veteran's attempt to start a normal life after the military by buying a house. ANYONE (including the sellers themselves) who denies or rejects financing on the sole pretense of it being a VA loan should be ASHAMED of themselves and realize what it stands for! It makes me sick to see all these people that plain out won't take financing from a VA loan app. I hope they enjoy their freedom, paid for by me, my friends and those who died for you, your welcome. 

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