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Advanced Point and Shoot for elevated shots - Any advice?

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Home Stager with GreenApple Staging & Images, Calgary Staging & Photography

For my exterior shots of homes, my hubby rigged up a pole device with a high quality painter's pole, from which I can shoot tethered or use the camera's timer. I shoot tethered to a laptop when he's with me, but use the timer when I'm alone--too cumbersome with the laptop.

It's great to have these elevated shots (10-15 feet above street level), as it puts the eye at about mid-point of a two storey home. It helps control any perspective distortion, lets the viewer see more of the landscaping and setting while overcoming some street level obstacles.

I don't want to put my Canon 50D with lens up on the pole, for obvious reasons! So, I have been using a Canon Powershot SX100 IS. While it does a decent job of vacation photos . . .

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there is something "off" about the color when shooting exteriors.

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compared to the same house with my 50D

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The browns look green-ish and I can't quite seem to get it right.

So . . . I've been looking for a better camera to use in this situation. I saw someone else's photos on Flickr (sorry, can't remember who) that uses the Lumix LX3 on a pole and thought the quality looked awesome. I've also noticed that Canon is coming out with the Powershot S90 which also has an f2.0 wide angle lens like the Lumix.

From the specs that I can find online, the Lumix has autobracketing. I love that idea, as it would open up the possibility of doing HDR in the future. But . . . it only has a 2sec and 10sec timer (from what I've read). That doesn't give me a lot of time to get the thing up and in position after I press the shutter.

The S90 has the custom timer feature that I currently use on my SX100. I set it to delay for 30 sec (probably a little on the long side, but good insurance) and it takes 3 shots in a row. I slightly change the angle of the pole/camera in between the shots, and I usually come out with a winner. But . . . it doesn't appear to offer autobracketing.

Anyone have any experience with either of these cameras (well, the S90 is new, but you never know . . .)? Anyone else shooting from a pole? What do you use and what are your results like?

Thanks!

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Deena Cottingham

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Comments (21)

Peter Tamura
Coldwell Banker Select - Tulsa, OK
BANNOCHIE TEAM

Interesting Deena,

In real estate it's very difficult to get good pictures of small rooms and the elevated shot and sometimes going low to high to get a better perspective helps.  I've never used a pole, but interesting concept.  We have a semi-pro photographer that shoots our virtual tours, I think good photography is critical.

Oct 19, 2009 05:59 AM
Patricia Aulson
BERKSHIRE HATHAWAY HOME SERVICES Verani Realty NH Real Estate - Exeter, NH
Realtor - Portsmouth NH Homes-Hampton NH Homes

This is good information today....I'm thinking of getting a new camera so I'm always looking for advice.

Thanks,

Patricia/Seacoast NH

Oct 19, 2009 06:03 AM
Steve Andrascik
Lake Mead Area Realty - Boulder City, NV

Deena, you idea of shooting from a pole is brilliant. As a newspaper photographer for many years, I would always try to find the high vantage point to shoot from. I have stood on newspaper boxes, electrial boxes, ladders and whatever else was available..

As for your too much green in the browns. I think the green grass is having an effect on the browns. This is because your angle gives the green grass more dominance. If you have a photo program, you can decrease the green. Or if you have photoshop you can decrease the green saturation.

One more point. The human eye is more sensitive to the color green than any other color, so this is also contributing to the too much green perception.

Good luck!

Steve

Oct 19, 2009 06:06 AM
Deena Cottingham
GreenApple Staging & Images, Calgary Staging & Photography - Calgary, AB
Home Stager & Photographer

Steve, Thanks for your feedback! I have processed this thing in Lightroom and PS. I believe it goes beyond the reflection of the grass. Anyway, mostly interested in a camera with a wide-angle, sharper lens to better match the quality of the interiors taken with my 50D.

LOL about all the things you've stood on! I haven't been willing to make a dent in the top of my vehicle and hubby is an engineer . . . so he took off with the idea! Actually, I was initially kind of resistent to his persistence in figuring this out. However, it is a great vantage point and makes getting stared at on the street worthwhile. Winter will be interesting, however. I think my fingers will freeze up here in Calgary trying to rig this up.

Oct 19, 2009 06:15 AM
Lee Jinks
Jinks Realty - McAllen, TX

I first suggest the Aerial Photography group which includes Pole Aerial Photography (PAP).  Then I suggest you read a blog I wrote some time back (my system has changes some since the writing).  I think the LX3 will produce superior pictures for a number of reasons, but what I don't like about it is there's no easy way to get remote shutter release.

The S series power shots are also great for PAP.  I used to use a Coolpix 5400, but since the arrival of my Nikon D5000, I stick it on the pole now.  I do think the D5000 is a bit heavy, but I really like the APSC sensor.  If budget allows, you might look into the Micro 4/3rds such as the Panasonic GF1 (a slightly bigger, but much better LX3).

Just be very conscious about power lines around you.  Yes, that's me tempting fate.  The pole I use was designed for working with power lines, so it's not supposed to conduct electricity.

30' pole

Here's an example of the difference between taking the photo from the ground and elevated.

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Feel free to contact me by email or phone if you want more of what I know about elevated photography.  I've only been doing it for years.  Just be warned that I love to talk about this stuff and I may keep you longer than you wanted.

Oct 19, 2009 08:02 AM
Lee Jinks
Jinks Realty - McAllen, TX

Wait a minute, you have a 50D?  It's perfect if you can control it atop the pole.  I've been doing it so long I don't worry much about the camera.  You really have more control than you think.  Maybe you can strap a weight equal to your 50D atop the pole and swing it around some to build your confidence.  I don't know, just a thought.  Your 50D isn't all that much heavier than my D5000.  You can do it.

Oct 19, 2009 08:07 AM
Deena Cottingham
GreenApple Staging & Images, Calgary Staging & Photography - Calgary, AB
Home Stager & Photographer

Thanks for the great info, Lee. I will check out those groups! Didn't know they existed, but probably didn't search hard enough.

I am well aware of the dangers of power lines. I have a long, but nearly fatal, story involving my son a few years back in Mexico. He was 15 at the time, there to build a house. He was holding a metal broom stick, and (shortened version) came into close contact with a 13000V distribution line. The electricity arced (arked?), and had his arm not been resting on some metal railing (preventing the electricity from passing through his organs), he would not be with us. The power went out for many blocks around them, and many observers said it was like fireworks (great). As it was, he was in the hospital burn unit here for several months, had skin graft surgery, and had to work very hard at OT and physio to regain mobility because of nerve damage. Being an artist and musician, we are so thankful that he did. Docs were not very optimistic about that at the time and we met many others who were not so fortunate. He was out of school for 6 months just the same.

Anyway . . . I watch carefully! Where did you get your pole that doesn't conduct?

Oct 19, 2009 08:13 AM
Deena Cottingham
GreenApple Staging & Images, Calgary Staging & Photography - Calgary, AB
Home Stager & Photographer

Get out! My 50D on a pole?? It's heavy (with my $1000+) 10-22mm lens on it. I find the pole at the edge of my cumbersome-ness ability as it is!

Oct 19, 2009 08:22 AM
Lee Jinks
Jinks Realty - McAllen, TX

I'm reminded that the Hokkanen's put their 5D atop a pole...I'm only taunting you.  Don't put any camera on a pole unless you are certain you can do it without endangering yourself, others, or your equipment.

Oct 19, 2009 08:32 AM
Eric Lee
Realty Executives - Phoenix, AZ
e-PRO, SFR - Phoenix, AZ

A few thoughts:

- the color on your pics looks fine to me but I'm on my laptop right now & the color on this monitor isn't quite as good as my desktop (of course that's another issue - every monitor is a little different on color so your pic is going to look just a little different to just about every buyer out there)

- the SX100 has a half dozen white balance settings including a custom white balance. It would certainly be cheaper to play with those than buy a new camera.

- the S90 is getting some very good early reviews. see www.kenrockwell.com for his take on it so far including some high ISO pics

- for 10' aerial shots, just use the 50D on your tripod and hold the tripod over your head. Much sturdier & lighter than any of the pole setups however you are limited to about 10' that way. I use this in place of pole photography if I just want that mid-point shot for 2 story houses. (actually I find it good for 1 story houses as well as long as there are no 2 story houses behind). Also easier to haul around since I don't really have to carry anything I'm not taking anyway.

- I use a telescoping aluminum pool pole for my aerial shots - sturdier than a painters pole and not any heavier. I put a D40 and a fairly heavy Sigma 10-20 up there and have no problem. This gets me 20' without a ladder or standing on anything.

Oct 28, 2009 06:25 AM
Deena Cottingham
GreenApple Staging & Images, Calgary Staging & Photography - Calgary, AB
Home Stager & Photographer

Eric - great feedback! Thanks for your extra tips!

I have played with the white balance settings on my camera, and it just isn't quite right. Thanks for the link about the S90. I'm kind of a Canon girl, anyway ;-).

Oct 28, 2009 10:43 AM
Eric Lee
Realty Executives - Phoenix, AZ
e-PRO, SFR - Phoenix, AZ

Now that I had a chance to look at the pics on my home monitor, I see what you're saying. There is just a little green in those brown walls but not much. It looks like you might be using the Vivid setting on the SX100 - you might try the neutral setting.

Oct 28, 2009 11:53 AM
Deena Cottingham
GreenApple Staging & Images, Calgary Staging & Photography - Calgary, AB
Home Stager & Photographer

Eric, you're good! Yes, it was set on Vivid. I've tried other settings, and it looks flat. Anyway, the color isn't my only issue. I'd like a sharper, faster lens since it is up on a pole and there is always some slight movement. But thanks for your interest! I always enjoy hearing how others do something similar.

Oct 29, 2009 03:13 AM
Eric Lee
Realty Executives - Phoenix, AZ
e-PRO, SFR - Phoenix, AZ

Another S90 review: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/s90.shtml

Nov 01, 2009 02:02 PM
Deena Cottingham
GreenApple Staging & Images, Calgary Staging & Photography - Calgary, AB
Home Stager & Photographer

Thanks again, Eric, for giving such good info. Especially since this review compares the two cameras I am looking at. What I need to do is get myself down to a camera shop and check them out in person! The LX3 has a few features that the Canon doesn't, but it was interesting to see the image quality compared at various settings. Also, for putting it on a pole, the custom timer feature is a necessity! (Unless there is some other cheap shutter-release solution).

Nov 02, 2009 07:30 AM
Lee Jinks
Jinks Realty - McAllen, TX

Deena,  I've been watching your dialog and know the LX3 has no simple remote shutter release available.  From what I've read about the S90, it doesn't either, but with the timer's ability to take multiple shots it could work well for you if you keep the pole length below about 15 feet.  In that case, I would wire a simple monitor at the bottom of the pole, set the timer to take about 3 to 5 shots and lift the pole watching the monitor to frame the required shots.  I think you would find this method to be efficient and quite effective.

Your biggest expense and hassle would then be a remote monitor.  I have an extra monitor if you want it.  It's a 2" screen which will show very little detail and it's not very bright, bit I use it only for framing the shot.  It's so bad that often I get the camera back down to see that power lines run through the middle of the photo when I never saw them on the monitor.  However, if you keep the pole under 15' you shouldn't even have that problem.  Contact me if you want it though.

Nov 02, 2009 10:47 AM
Deena Cottingham
GreenApple Staging & Images, Calgary Staging & Photography - Calgary, AB
Home Stager & Photographer

Wow, thanks for your generous offer, Lee! Right now, I just use the custom timer setting, and just by looking up and seeing where the camera is pointing, I get a usable shot on the first try, most times. I take 3 in a row and just pan the angle to cover my bases. However, it's usually the mid shot that I end up using! I do a second set of 3 at a slightly different height just to give me more options, but it usually works really well.

What I like about using a really sturdy pole (vs a tripod overhead--a previous suggestion), is that I am able to see how plumb the pole is by having it footed on the ground, and I can look up without it swaying all over the place.

My hubby was trying to work out a remote screen somehow without me having to lug a laptop. He was researching some smart phone/iphone apps, or ipod apps, etc. In the meantime, I've gotten good results without it.

I hate to turn down your generosity, but my simple system is working . . . for now! (Never say never!). Thanks so much, though. You are so kind.

 

Nov 02, 2009 11:51 AM
Lee Jinks
Jinks Realty - McAllen, TX

BTW, I just looked at the S90 at B&H and saw that it was only $70 shy of the G11.  At that point, I'd go for the G11.  There is a port for remote shutter on the G11.

I think that when you start using a remote monitor, you'll wonder why you went so long without it.  And I hadn't plan on giving it to you.  I'd hope you would pay the shipping and reimburse the $14 I paid for it.  That's still not a bad deal.  They are $55 retail and the next best monitor you can get is just under $100.  The monitor I like is around $400, but I can't justify the expense right now.

As far at the research I've done, there is an iPhone app, but it requires tethering the camera to a computer which defeats the purpose of portability we are striving for.  Check out the Phottix Hero.  Not cheap, but just about what I've been looking for these past few years.  You should be able to use it with your 50D as well.

Nov 02, 2009 02:24 PM
Deena Cottingham
GreenApple Staging & Images, Calgary Staging & Photography - Calgary, AB
Home Stager & Photographer

Of course we would have worked out fair compensation ;-). Thanks for your good suggestions. One day I'm sure I'll cross over to the 'lighted' side!

Nov 03, 2009 02:16 AM
Lee Jinks
Jinks Realty - McAllen, TX

Deena,  I just read this review from Ken Rockwell about the S90.  He didn't care much for the G10 and likes the G11 even less.  I see his points.

Nov 17, 2009 02:53 AM